Did Democrats Miss the Key to Victory?

[ProfD]

The election is a wrap. POTUS OJ will be back in the White House in January.

 

Yet, nobody is asking white women why so many of them still voted for POTUS OJ despite his offenses against their own gender. 

 

If that 46% of women who voted for POTUS OJ had ridden with VP Harris instead, she would have easliy won all swing states and flipped a couple of red states too.

 

Never while berating Black men was it brought up that white women should have been voting against POTUS OJ considering his baggage.

[Chevdove]

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

Yet, nobody is asking white women why so many of them still voted for POTUS OJ despite his offenses against their own gender. 

 

Maybe because they understand a hidden agenda behind the ills of Trump and they know that the alternative in not supporting him would be disastrous for them. 

Maybe because they understand 'the smoke screen' in that over the past 12 years, Black Americans have been moved into a position of being defined as 'the poster child' for all the social ills of America. We are now the face of Sodomy and Gomer-ah, pedophiles and violence, the message sent out to the global world, and so, by their voting in greater numbers for Trump, they may believe that eventually, things will get better for them and then they can combat the misogyny issue more effectively. 

 

Most people define America as being a patriarch, but based on scripture, it is not. It is a matriarchal system that comes out of the seventh. And we know that the late Queen Elizabeth represented that early government in Europe too. America is no different in how it bounced from Mother Marie Therese to King Henry the eighth to his daughter. White men cater to their Great Queens and do their will.They may prefer blondes over brunettes, but they would never develop a color caste system that would harm their brunettes. They give credit to their Queen Bees for their existence and would never turn against them but do their will. White men may get too alpha, and another spiritual Susan B. Anthony might have to manifest to get at them, but those males would never turn against their mothers. 

 

[ProfD]

America has been patriarchal evee since it broke away from the crown of England.

 

The Founding Fathers of America didn't have any women sitting at the table. Nor did they consult them when it came to establishing this country. 

 

White women in America are perfectly fine with patriarchy too..

 

Surely, a few white women stood up for suffrage and other women's rights. For the most part, white women are silent. They follow the lead of white men.

 

You will  never see white women berating white men. Even in disagreement, there's a certain level of respect. 

 

When white women are reminded of POTUS OJ's sexual assaults, they'll shrug their shoulders and say, "boys will be boys". They will vote for whoever their husbands support.

 

That's why Democrats resorted to putting stickers in women's bathrooms telling white women not to be afraid.  In the voting booth, their husbands wouldn't know for whom they were voting.

 

Despite the narratives about non-white men being violent, white women aren't afraid of that especially when the majority of them do not live in those environments. 

 

Look at the electoral map. That swath of red states are made up predominantly of white folks. They don't have to fear minorities.

 

Like every other group of people, white folks mainly criminalize each other. Watch Dateline and First 48.

 

White women think just like white men when it comes to non-white people. They're on code.

[aka Contrarian]

@ProfDYou answered your own question. The reasons you gave explained why nobody is shaming white women for abandoning  Kamala.  Because that's the way it's always been; white women play it safe and remain loyal to their racist chauvinistic mates. It's understandable why they'do this rather than embrace feminism.

On the other hand, black male Trump supporters are rightfully  being cited because they had a chance to advance their race, and they chose to support a convicted felon, and side with their misogynistic, burrito-eatin brothers rather than honor their black sisters and mothers. 

 

Fingers could also be pointed at the black females who chose Trump over a woman of color. But their reasons  aren't even worthy of being analyzed because they're so catty and petty and down right jealous, - straight outta  a gossipy hen session.  And Kamala's doing the jobs she was elected to do, made no difference to these treacherous heffas.

 

 Alas, for all the metaphysical BS about "karma". Trump's misdeeds have never caught up with him! Instead, in his dotage, he has been rewarded with OMNIPOTENCE, courtesy of an indifferent universe.

 Piss on amerika. Glad I'm 91, not 19.

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

@ProfDYou answered your own question. The reasons you gave explained why nobody is shaming white women for abandoning  Kamala.  Because that's the way it's always been; white women play it safe and remain loyal to their racist chauvinistic mates. It's understandable why they'do this rather than embrace feminism.

 

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

On the other hand, black male Trump supporters are rightfully  being cited because they had a chance to advance their race, and they chose to support a convicted felon, and side with their misogynistic, burrito-eatin brothers rather than honor their black sisters and mothers. 

The Black and Hispanic men who voted for POTUS OJ claim it was because they had more money in their pockets during his last term.

 

I just hope they're nottreferring to those little funky azz stimulus checks that were being handed out during the pandemic.

 

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

Alas, for all the metaphysical BS about "karma". Trump's misdeeds have never caught up with him! Instead, in his dotage, he has been rewarded with OMNIPOTENCE, courtesy of an indifferent universe.

Seems like his misdeeds were perfectly acceptable to the majority of people and others. Like a crime scene with the yellow tape...nothing left to see here. Bag it up. 10-4.

 

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

 Piss on amerika. Glad I'm 91, not 19.

 

I'm glad you're still here to witness this f8ckery. Easier to digest when you can find humor in it.

 

As a wee lad, myy parents used to tell me "everything ain't funny". My response was always...yes it is.

 

Over a half-century later, I can still get a chuckle out of d8mn near anything.

[Troy]

3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

nobody is shaming white women for abandoning  Kamala.  Because that's the way it's always been; white women play it safe and remain loyal to their racist chauvinistic mates.

Period.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Over a half-century later, I can still get a chuckle out of d8mn near anything.

That is good.

 

[Chevdove]

On 11/8/2024 at 12:22 PM, ProfD said:

America has been patriarchal evee since it broke away from the crown of England.

 

The Founding Fathers of America didn't have any women sitting at the table. Nor did they consult them when it came to establishing this country. 

 

 

idk.

I remember some talk shows and how some Black Americans brought out the fact that as soon as Black people started fighting 

for civil rights, then and only then did White women get upset about their men being leaders.

All of a sudden then they jumped up and started campaigning against their men.

But prior to Black people fighting for Civil Rights, they were perfectly fine being doted over in the home. 

I believe that they run the show behind the scenes. 

However, I do believe that there are some dominant patriarchal White men that are like Trump. 

 

On 11/8/2024 at 12:22 PM, ProfD said:

Look at the electoral map. That swath of red states are made up predominantly of white folks. They don't have to fear minorities.

 

Yep.

[ProfD]

48 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Black people started fighting 

for civil rights, then and only then did White women get upset about their men being leaders.

All of a sudden then they jumped up and started campaigning against their men.

But prior to Black people fighting for Civil Rights, they were perfectly fine being doted over in the home. 

That's right. The Civil Rights movement inspired white women to be more than homemakers.

48 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I believe that they run the show behind the scenes. 

White women do not and don't want to do it.

 

Natural born citizenship is the only difference between the average white woman and POTUS OJ's wife.

 

48 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

However, I do believe that there are some dominant patriarchal White men that are like Trump. 

White privilege affords white men in such a way that they don't have to be dominant in order to benefit from it.

[Chevdove]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I believe that they run the show behind the scenes. 

White women do not and don't want to do it.

 

idk Hilary Clinton come to mind. 

 

What do you think about Queen Elizabeth?

Marie Therese?

I do not see the difference in them vs Americans.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Yet, nobody is asking white women why so many of them still voted for POTUS OJ despite his offenses against their own gender. 

 

To keep it real, I actually HAVE seen a few articles holding White women accountable or this.

Not many, but some.
Like you said, many more articles shaking their fingers at Black men for not supporting Kamala more, when actually I heard a statistic that 80% of Black men DID vote for her.

 

At any rate, it's like we discussed the other week BEFORE the election.  These women have to be loyal to the men who can actually provide or and protect them.

Trump represents White male power.
There is security and even a measure of COMFORT for a lot of people, in that.
 

AfroAmerican male power?
Latino male power?

They aren't sure about.
Infact, they aren't even sure if it even exists.

Look at how many Black Democrat mayors have been prosecuted and indicted lately and the Democrat leadership hasn't even come to their defense!


 

I said a while back that a lot of older White women and a lot of older TRUE White liberals were angry at AfroAmericans!

....not out of racism but out of a feeling of betrayal. 
 

Why?
 

Back in the 60s and 70s they felt they put so much heart and effort into fighting the system and racism and oppression only for so many Black folks to either "give up" or "join" the damn system they were fighting against.
They see 2 or 3 generations later niggaz running around here calling themselves "Black Conservatives" parroting racist right-wing narratives and NOW you have Black MAGA/Trump supporters!

People don't want to get behind or support CONFUSION.
They don't want to support Kamala and diss Trump only for the Black Democrats to get lazy and sit on the couch during the mid-term elections OR for the next generation to FORGET how racist the Republicans have been and come on television wearing MAGA caps like Kanye and making fools of themselves arguing against their own best interests.

So if I were a White woman I probably would have voted for Trump too because atleast I can pretty much count on the Republicans to protect me and look out for me IF I support them.
With Democrats and Black politicians....they're too flip-floppy and cowardly right now.

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

To keep it real, I actually HAVE seen a few articles holding White women accountable or this.

Not many, but some.

Right.  On the low, it has been mentioned that white women could have swung the vote differently. 

 

There was no bull horn announcement or or finger wagging at them though. 

 

If the candidate had been a non-white person with the same baggage, they would not have  been qualified for the electoral college.

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like you said, many more articles shaking their fingers at Black men for not supporting Kamala more, when actually I heard a statistic that 80% of Black men DID vote for her.

Exactly.  Not the narrative they are pushing though.

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I said a while back that a lot of older White women and a lot of older TRUE White liberals were angry at AfroAmericans!

....not out of racism but out of a feeling of betrayal. 
 

Why?
 

Back in the 60s and 70s they felt they put so much heart and effort into fighting the system and racism and oppression only for so many Black folks to either "give up" or "join" the damn system they were fighting against.

White women were not fighting against racism.  They were concerned with their own women's rights which got lumped in with Civil Rights.   We already know which group benefitted the most when white men had to throw out bones.

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So  if I were a White woman I probably would have voted for Trump too because atleast I can pretty much count on the Republicans to protect me and look out for me IF I support them.

Even with a flawed candidate whose convictions are against women. 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

With Democrats and Black politicians....they're too flip-floppy and cowardly right now.

Democrats are spineless.  Black politicians are their scapegoats.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

White women were not fighting against racism.  They were concerned with their own women's rights which got lumped in with Civil Rights.   We already know which group benefitted the most when white men had to throw out bones.

 

True, however just like COMMUNIST RUSSIA wasn't a friend of Black America, but we still benefited from their international threat...

The same can be said of the Women's Movement.
 

They weren't fighting for Black women, but the fact that they were attacking the White male dominated system HELPED weaken that system for us and gave the White male power structure another "threat" to focus on besides just the Black Power Movement.

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

True, however just like COMMUNIST RUSSIA wasn't a friend of Black America, but we still benefited from their international threat...

The same can be said of the Women's Movement.

 Feel free to elaborate on how AfroAmericans benefitted from USSR being a threat. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They weren't fighting for Black women, but the fact that they were attacking the White male dominated system HELPED weaken that system for us and gave the White male power structure another "threat" to focus on besides just the Black Power Movement.

I don't see where the white male dominated system has been weakened. Case in point....last POTUS election.

[nels]

On 11/7/2024 at 5:54 PM, ProfD said:

POTUS OJ

Wonder how much time and thought it took to come up with the moniker.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, nels said:

Wonder how much time and thought it took to come up with the moniker.

Didn't take long at all. I've been using it for many years now.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Feel free to elaborate on how AfroAmericans benefitted from USSR being a threat. 

 

In 2 regards:

 

1. Internationally, during the so-called "Cold War" between the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R.; all of the nations...including Black and African nations...that aligned themselves respectively with those 2 sides benefited by getting money, weapons, and other forms of aid provided to them.

Seeing images Black and African nations being more modernized with schools, militaries, and other assistance made us as AfroAmericans FEEL as if progress was really being made for our people globally.
It improved our self esteem as an AfroAmerican community and made us want to connect with others of our people globally and improve our condition here in the U.S.

2. The threat of a war with such a powerful "enemy" such as Russia forced White America to atleast PRETEND to be fair and play nice with AfroAmericans and give us more rights and benefits because they couldn't afford for disgruntled AfroAmericans to push communist doctrine and collaborate with outside forces as some were starting to do.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see where the white male dominated system has been weakened. Case in point....last POTUS election.

 

Like the moon, it's power waxes and wanes depending on the times.

 

Back in the 60s and early 70s..it's power was weaker than it was in the mid 80s during the height of the Reagan Era.
Then again it got weaker in the early to mid 90s.

Still dominant, but weaker and stronger at times.

Those "weaker" moments allows for more Black progresses.

[Troy]

Peripheral related:

I have an African buddy who assures me Africans preferred a Trump victory. When Trump was last president, there was far less meddling in African affairs by America.

[Pioneer1]

8 hours ago, Troy said:

Peripheral related:

I have an African buddy who assures me Africans preferred a Trump victory. When Trump was last president, there was far less meddling in African affairs by America.

I know a LOT of Africans who support Trump!
They've told me this.

And I thought it was because he was Republican and they support the Republican's more Conservative and Traditional platform.

What I didn't realize was that many Africans are for mass deportation of illegal immigrants!
Which makes sense, because most of them had to come here the RIGHT way.
They couldn't just sneak across the border like many Latino immigrants do.

Many many Africans from different parts of the Continent that I know say they definitely don't like the LGBT and Abortion platform of the Democrats.
I was surprised at how much they knew about the differences in the parties...lol.

Many of them can barely speak English, but they know the differences in political parties.

As far as Trump meddling in African affairs........

I don't think that's Trump's call.
I think BOTH the foreign and domestic agendas of the United States are set by the powers who control the nation.
It doesn't matter who sits in the Oval Office...it's set.
 

[ProfD]

8 hours ago, Troy said:

When Trump was last president, there was far less meddling in African affairs by America.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I know a LOT of Africans who support Trump!

What I didn't realize was that many Africans are for mass deportation of illegal immigrants!
Which makes sense, because most of them had to come here the RIGHT way.

Many many Africans from different parts of the Continent that I know say they definitely don't like the LGBT and Abortion platform of the Democrats.

Those are examples of people voting their interests and beliefs instead of emotions and blind loyalty.

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Those are examples of people voting their interests and beliefs instead of emotions and blind loyalty.

Yes.
I'm glad that so many Africans are so politically astute; however they should be careful.
Too many of them assume the right-wing Republicans actually MEAN what they say when they talk about restoring morality and family traditions....not knowing that this is mere rhetoric to get votes.

When Africans believe there will be less meddling in African affairs under Trump, either way I don't think that will be as good of a thing as they expect.

1. First of all I think it's largely a FALSE belief because as I said earlier....neither Trump nor Kamala actually makes those type of foreign policy decisions.

2. As an AfroAmerican, I actually would like to see America be MORE involved in African affairs than China, Russia, or the Arabs.

 

[ProfD]

35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. First of all I think it's largely a FALSE belief because as I said earlier....neither Trump nor Kamala actually makes those type of foreign policy decisions.

POTUS does have some influence in foreign policy decision-making. That's why experience in foreign policy becomes a talking point in qualifications. 

35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. As an AfroAmerican, I actually would like to see America be MORE involved in African affairs than China, Russia, or the Arabs.

As a Black man 1st and AfroAmerican, I don't believe the US should be more involved to the point of meddling in African affairs. 

 

Africans should have the autonomy to run their own countries as they choose when it comes to both constructive and productive endeavors. 

 

Foreigners should only be trade partners. No way should foreigners be controlling resources and influencing political decisions and ultimately determining how Africans live, thrive and survive. They don't need the hand of white supremacy. They're better off without it.

 

Neither the US, Russia nor China has another country meddling in its affairs. Africa suffers by remote and direct control.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

As a Black man 1st and AfroAmerican, I don't believe the US should be more involved to the point of meddling in African affairs. 

 

As a Black man also, I don't believe ANY nation outside of Africa should be meddling in African affairs.
I'm not going to just pick on the U.S. when China, Russia, and the Arab countries are just as guilty and have been trying to get a stronger and stronger foothold in Africa for decades if not centuries.
 

However as a Black man IN America who is also a Pan-Africanist and well read global affairs as well as African history, I would rather a nation with SOME Black influence like the U.S. have a stronger presence in Africa than for a nation like Russia or China with almost NO Black people...let alone successful Black people who care about Africa...to increase their hold.

It's best to be OFF the plantation, but since you have to choose one.....which "massa" is going to whip you less and put more butter on your biscuits?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However as a Black man IN America who is also a Pan-Africanist and well read global affairs as well as African history, I would rather a nation with SOME Black influence like the U.S. have a stronger presence in Africa than for a nation like Russia or China with almost NO Black people...let alone successful Black people who care about Africa...to increase their hold.

Black folks in America are powerless to change their condition or circumstances here.  They certainly can't do much to help Africa. 

 

Nevermind that Africans don't particularly want help from AfroAmericans either.  They have been brainwashed into believing the white man's ice is colder.  

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's best to be OFF the plantation, but since you have to choose one.....which "massa" is going to whip you less and put more butter on your biscuits?

I'll never agree that Black folks have to choose to a plantation.  Misery doesn't really need company.

 

Africans have a whole continent.  Totally different from AfroAmericans who live in a country but don't own or control the land or resources within it.

 

The Achilles heel of Black folks is that in the grand scheme of things, we're way too peaceful.  We're not barbaric and/or willing to go to war to protect ourselves, land and resources.

[Pioneer1]

On 11/17/2024 at 5:59 PM, ProfD said:

 

The Achilles heel of Black folks is that in the grand scheme of things, we're way too peaceful.  

Black folks aren't too peaceful with eachother.
Neither here NOR on the Continent.

[ProfD]

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black folks aren't too peaceful with eachother.
Neither here NOR on the Continent.

Black folks getting killed America or staging coups on the continent is nothing in comparison to the number of people killed in Ukraine and Gaza.

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Black folks getting killed America or staging coups on the continent is nothing in comparison to the number of people killed in Ukraine and Gaza.

Yeah....
I supposed you can say that the killing going on in St. Louis is NOTHING compared to the killing going on in Chicago.
But ask the families of the St.Louis victims.
I bet they'd tell you a different story.

Black folks getting killed in Africa and the U.S. is terrible REGARDLESS as to what's taking place with other people in other countries.

If Russia and NATO annihilate eachother in a Nuclear War, that still won't erase some of the things I saw Black folks do to eachother growing up in Detroit.

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yeah....
I supposed you can say that the killing going on in St. Louis is NOTHING compared to the killing going on in Chicago.
But ask the families of the St.Louis victims.
I bet they'd tell you a different story.

I believe that's a straw man.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black folks getting killed in Africa and the U.S. is terrible REGARDLESS as to what's taking place with other people in other countries.

People getting killed anywhere is unnecessary. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If Russia and NATO annihilate eachother in a Nuclear War, that still won't erase some of the things I saw Black folks do to eachother growing up in Detroit.

Clearly, you're holding Black folks to a different standard.

 

i doubt 40k women and children were killed in Detroit or America in your lifetime or over several generations.

 

But, I understand your perspective even if it happens to be slightly biased.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Clearly, you're holding Black folks to a different standard.

 

Absolutely.
Because we're in a different category.
 

As a race, we can't afford to do the same negativity that White folks do.
1. As a race, we have more problems to solve than they do, so we don't have the time and energy to waste on wars.

2. As a race, we don't have enough wealth and power to balance off the effects and consequences that comes from such negative behavior as war.

Russia and Ukraine can fight a war and thousands get killed and nobody starves to death and they can rebuild both countries within 10 years.

Sudan and Congo go to war with eachother and thousands of people end up starving, disease spreads, and the nations are in ruins for the next several decades.

Even on a more individual level, I constantly drop knowledge on the Black youth....especially the ones going to college...that they can't afford to engage in the same negative behavior that White kids engage in.
I tell them they can't afford to get drunk every weekend and do all kinds of weird and dangerous drugs like their White classmates because the negative consequences for them will be worse.
 

Black people can't afford to live as reckless as White folks.