Black. Holocaust. Jewish. Holocaust. The. Difference.

[harry brown]

Black.  Holocaust. Took. Black. In. This. Country. Still. Does.  Racist. White. Terrorist. Police. ..Racist. Politicians. Democrats. And. Republicans.   Organizing.  Guns. And. Drugs. To. Be. Dumped. In. Inner. City. Communities.  For. Black. Genocide. ..Poor. Inner. Schools. Jobs. Taken. Out. ..This. Country. Keep. Sending. Billions. To. Israel. And. Ukraine. ..Are. There. Jewish. Street. Gangs. That. Terrorize. Jewish. Communities. ?  Any. Jewish. Crack. Houses. ?,Any. Jewish. Pimp. Houses. ..Jewish. Community. Leaders. Are. Involved. In. Their. Communities.  Black. Preachers. Steal. All. The. Church. Money. To. Buy. Cars. Houses. Not. Caring. About. Poor. Black. Communities. ....Where. Is. Black. Lives. Matter. With. All. The. ,,Millions. Of. Money. They. Got. The. Jewish. Are. Not. Continuing.  ,Their. Holocaust. ..Black. Holocaust. Religion. And. Politics.  Prevents. Black. Unity.....

[Troy]

Funny I was just thinking about Black Lives Matter, where have they been?  I not active on social media, so I probably don't see their activities very much.  But there was a time where they were regularly covered in the mainstream media and Black media.  Nothing related to BLM gas crossed my desk in at least a year, maybe two...  

 

Years ago, I thought Occupy would have a real impact on our society - even more so than BLM.  I was very wrong about that.  It seems to have a real impact, like the Civil Rights movement you really have to work both within the system and amongst the people.

 

Hey Harry, did you hear the TD Jakes was known as a "Power-Bottom" during Diddy'a Freak-Offs (Lord forgive me for gossiping ).  For the record, IMHO being a "power-bottom" (I had to ask Chat-GPT what that was) at a "freak-off" is fine as long as everyone involved are consenting adults -- even if you are a Bishop in the Church.

[ProfD]

9 hours ago, Troy said:

Funny I was just thinking about Black Lives Matter, where have they been? 

BLM leadership still enjoying the money grifted in 2020. 

 

Maybe BLM will come back around whenever the next tragedy happens.

[Pioneer1]

I used to hear Black scholars and Pan Africanists like Dr. Tony Martin and others make this comparison back in the 80s and 90s.
Our dear brother Dr. Khalid A. Muhammad often would compare the Black Holocaust with the Jewish Holocaust.

They'd make valid points.

 

However today as I've gotten older and wiser, I don't think it's a good argument to get into...especially in public....for a number of reasons.
 

For one......
Going around trying to convince people that you're a bigger victim than they are usually doesn't gain you much sympathy.  Especially from the compared group.
You're just making unnecessary enemies and adversaries.

And even if you could prove that yours was much worse, what tangible benefits would you attain from doing so?

So now that we've established that the Black Holocaust was...as Dr. Khalid used to put it....100 TIMES WORSE than the so-called Jewish Holocaust; what now?
Does that mean we'll get 100 times MORE MONEY and BENEFITS as restitution and reparations than what Jews and Israel are getting?

[ProfD]

59 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

So now that we've established that the Black Holocaust was...as Dr. Khalid used to put it....100 TIMES WORSE than the so-called Jewish Holocaust; what now?

Black scholars have laid the ground work for establishing the Black Holocaust.

 

To date, the Black Holocaust has not been codified into our history.

 

Every Black person should be taught from birth and know what happened to our people.

 

Black people should know our heroes and she-roes, pioneers and trailblazers.

 

Our history should not be relegated to the shortest month of the year. 

 

The Black Holocaust should be reflected in everything we do...books, art, music, sports, business, politics, etc.

 

Black people should literally be wearing a symbol of the Black Holocaust as a pendant, charm, chain, bracelet, hats, t-shirts, etc.

 

When non-Black children ask their parents what's up with what they'rw seeing in public, they've got to explain it.

 

First, we have to make the world acknowledge and accept the Black Holocaust.

 

59 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Does that mean we'll get 100 times MORE MONEY and BENEFITS as restitution and reparations than what Jews and Israel are getting?

Once the Black Holocaust is acknowledged and accepted, reparations becomes easier to codify as well.

 

Unfortunately, Black folks are allowing our history to be diluted. As a result, the Black Holocaust has been reduced to a stain on American history. 

 

So many Black folks have bought into the American dream in one way or another until codifying the Black Holocaust and collecting  tangible benefits at from it at this point would be a heavy lift. 

 

Allowing the Black Holocaust to become a distant memory is by design under the system of racism white supremacy. They play the long game.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Ok, and once it's codified and we have our talking points down pat.....who should we plead our case to?

The same Racists who are guilty of committing it in the first place?
Or maybe find some "good White folks" to plead our case to?


It should also be noted that the Black Holocaust is ON GOING.
It's still happening as we speak.
The White Racists who initiated it are STILL in charge and STILL engaging in racist warfare against people of color including the Black race.

[ProfD]

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ok, and once it's codified and we have our talking points down pat.....who should we plead our case to?

The US government. It controls the laws and money and provides support and restitution to every other group of holocaust victims.

 

[Pioneer1]

12 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The US government. It controls the laws and money and provides support and restitution to every other group of holocaust victims.

 

You've already said many times that Black people have no power in this nation, so when you say U.S. Government....you ultimately mean White folks...right?

Are THEY the ones we're pleading our case to and expecting to feel remorse for and grant us the Reparations we deserve?

[ProfD]

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You've already said many times that Black people have no power in this nation, so when you say U.S. Government....you ultimately mean White folks...right?

Are THEY the ones we're pleading our case to and expecting to feel remorse for and grant us the Reparations we deserve?

Right. The case has to be made. Facts. Proof. Evidence. Stake the claim.

[Pioneer1]

12 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Right. The case has to be made. Facts. Proof. Evidence. Stake the claim.

And IF...the determination is made that we are owed Reparations, who will execute the decision?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And IF...the determination is made that we are owed Reparations, who will execute the decision?

An agency would be established to handle reparations. Similar to the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

An agency would be established to handle reparations. Similar to the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

The money will have to come from or through Congress.
Congress is controlled mostly by White men; and right now....Conservative White men.

Miracles do happen.
They happen every day.
How likely do you think this Agency will be able to FORCE Congress (or the President through Executive Order) to grant and pass out Reparations to AfroAmericans?

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How likely do you think this Agency will be able to FORCE Congress (or the President through Executive Order) to grant and pass out Reparations to AfroAmericans?

None of would happen under a conservative POTUS, Congress and SCOTUS.

 

Democrats wouldn't touch it either as evidenced in California.

 

Not to mention the Black Holocaust hasn't been codified well enough to begin the process of reparations. 

 

That's my reason for considering reparations a heavy lift.

 

Reparations are due to AfroAmericans for America's original sin. It will take a lot of work or an act of the Supreme Being.

 

I wouldn't bet on either one coming through in my lifetime.

 

[Pioneer1]

I've mentioned this before......
I think Reparations will come when WE as AfroAmericans put ourselves in enough positions of power in the U.S. government to GIVE OURSELVES Reparations.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've mentioned this before......
I think Reparations will come when WE as AfroAmericans put ourselves in enough positions of power in the U.S. government to GIVE OURSELVES Reparations.

Which positions of power within government do you believe have the ability to cut checks?

 

The Secretary of Treasury is a position of power that oversees government money. That person doesn't even have the power to cut checks. 

 

White folks aren't going to let Black folks take over government to the point of unlimited and unchecked power.

 

The Congressional Black Caucus doesn't even champion reparations. They haven't crafted a reparations bill to put on the floor.

 

Again, the Black folks in California sabotaged the state reparations bill.

 

No different from the Civil Rights movement, there's no shortage of Black folks who don't believe in reparations. 

 

Still, the issue of reparations requires codification and agency for administration. A lot of work needs to be done to bring it to fruition.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Which positions of power within government do you believe have the ability to cut checks?

 

Congress.
They control the purse strings of where money goes and who gets it.

 

But we also need enough Justices on TSCOTUS to protect and enforce the decision Congress would make to GRANT us Reparations.

 

The President can make all the Executive Decisions he wants but they better not involve allocating money if he doesn't want Congress involved.

But depending on how many in Congress support REAL Reparations Bill, we may need a President who is willing to sign it.
But if enough Congressmen pass the bill...the President would have no choice BUT to sign it. 
He couldn't veto it.

We should aim for both.

 

 

 

 

White folks aren't going to let Black folks take over government to the point of unlimited and unchecked power.

 

We don't need to.
Not for a decent Reparations package.

Again, all you need is Black folks and "key allies" to get it done.
It can be done with proper negotiation.

 

Remember....almost ANYTHING is possible.

Politics isn't always a "zero sum" game where you're either completely in power or completely helpless.
There are various degrees of power and it waxes and wanes between who gains power and who loses power, from time to time.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

We don't need to.

Not for a decent Reparations package.

Again, all you need is Black folks and "key allies" to get it done.
It can be done with proper negotiation.

 

Remember....almost ANYTHING is possible.

Politics isn't always a "zero sum" game where you're either completely in power or completely helpless.
There are various degrees of power and it waxes and wanes between who gains power and who loses power, from time to time.

Right. Black folks thought Democrats were allies.

 

Neither Black politicians nor their counterparts with the Democratic party seem interested reparations legislation.

[Pioneer1]

3 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Right. Black folks thought Democrats were allies.

 

Neither Black politicians nor their counterparts with the Democratic party seem interested reparations legislation.

You gotta show people what's "in it" for them.

You can get allies both Democrat AND Republican if you appeal to their needs and desires and show them what's in it for them.

Everybody has something to offer.
They may not WANT to offer it, but they have it.
Others may not KNOW what they have to offer, but if they discovered it and how much people would want it...they'd realize they're sitting on top of a gold mine.

 

[ProfD]

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can get allies both Democrat AND Republican if you appeal to their needs and desires and show them what's in it for them.

Nevermind that reparations hasn't been codified. 

 

The only thing Democrats and Republicans would see in reparations is admitting a debt is owed for America's original sin. Neither party is interested in making that admission. 

 

There is nothing for either political party to gain from reparations unless Black folks decide to give the money right back to them.

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

There is nothing for either political party to gain from reparations unless Black folks decide to give the money right back to them.

...and that could be a selling point!

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

...and that could be a selling point!

Sure.  The main reason rich folks need politicians is to remove obstacles that prevent them from making more money.  

 

Until reparations comes down the pike, Black folks should be putting money behind their goals and objectives.   

 

Most politicians don't really *work for free*.  They cater to special and permanent interests. 

 

Black folks need to develop that mentality and stand on that business.

[Pioneer1]

12 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  The main reason rich folks need politicians is to remove obstacles that prevent them from making more money.  

 

Until reparations comes down the pike, Black folks should be putting money behind their goals and objectives.   

 

Most politicians don't really *work for free*.  They cater to special and permanent interests. 

 

Black folks need to develop that mentality and stand on that business.

At this point......
I'm more about promoting that LIKE MINDED Black folks who already believe in this should unite with eachother and work together to make things happen.
Expecting Black folks COLLECTIVELY to do this, is a tall order.

That's how it's probably going to have to be when it comes to the Reparations Package getting passed and awarded to us.

Instead of relying on MOST of our people to get behind it and push it and support it, we'll probably going to have to rely on key players at all levels to help push it through and get it done.  
I'm talking from the streets to Washington D.C.

Despite nay saying and casting shade on the prospects of it, ofcourse everybody with a nappy head will be standing in line for a check.

Like Snoop Dogg said when he came in with some juice and gin: 


"Everybody got they cup but they ain't chipped in"
 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm more about promoting that LIKE MINDED Black folks who already believe in this should unite with eachother and work together to make things happen.

Grassroots movement.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Expecting Black folks COLLECTIVELY to do this, is a tall order.

As brotha @richardmurray reminds me, there's no Black collective. Just different tribes. 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's how it's probably going to have to be when it comes to the Reparations Package getting passed and awarded to us.

Instead of relying on MOST of our people to get behind it and push it and support it, we'll probably going to have to rely on key players at all levels to help push it through and get it done.  
I'm talking from the streets to Washington D.C.

Just like the Civil Rights movement. Not all Black folks were down with the program. 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Despite nay saying and casting shade on the prospects of it, ofcourse everybody with a nappy head will be standing in line for a check.

Of course. They'll be grinning and smiling and ready to blow it on some dumb sh8t.

 

Like Dave Chapelle said...n8gglets buying a truck full of Newports.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like Snoop Dogg said...
"Everybody got they cup but they ain't chipped in"

Yep. They'll give a bunch of excuses and claim being down but moving in silence.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

59 minutes ago, ProfD said:

there's no Black collective. Just different tribes. 

But as you say, being positive, the key isn't that black tribes exist in any country or in the larger humanity itself, but each tribe is managed from its members the best, and in that i see a greater failure, especially in the usa. As @Pioneer1 stated correctly, it isn't that the global black village can't be united, but that is a tall order. Strong people leading themselves isn't going to get the circa  fifty million black people, skin color not language or geographic forbearance or gender,  in the usa to act positive while collective.  But mini Black collectives, a tribe, is  less a challenge.

 

Again Black Elephants, Republican party members, always complain about the larger black village in the usa being impotent or black individuals not republicans in the usa harming themselves the most/being their worst enemy but their tribe, black republicans,  has done in my view, absolutely nothing since the 1960s except complain to other black tribes and be a set of individuals connected only by an individual association to the republican party which is mostly non black and producing nothing collective plus positive from themselves . And the lesson is, if any tribe is a set of individuals they can't turn around as ask for collective strength from the village, that is simply uneven. 

 

And they are not alone, certain black religious groups. Black Donkeys, Democratic party members. The Martha's vineyard blacks. The black people /village in the usa has quite a few tribes of black people who are small in populace but very vocal against blacks not in their tribe

 

[Pioneer1]

Sometimes the problem isn't the RESULTS but the EXPECTATIONS.

Perhaps we should stop EXPECTING most Black people to unite and focus on getting KEY numbers or a CRITICAL MASS of Black Americans to unite around a certain issue and be satisfied with THAT accomplishment.

I've had several experiences that sometimes makes me want to even go further and say it's not even about RACE but about COMMON INTERESTS of the individuals.

 

If I want: A, L, P, and Q...........

And can find a bunch of people -male and female, Black, White, and Latino, and Asian - who also want A, L, P, and Q.

Perhaps we should put our racial and cultural differences aside and work together to achieve that goal.

 

But I'm so B1 (Black first) that it's ingrained in my character so I'm not likely to put race to the side.
It will always be a factor in this Life Cycle.

 

A sweet compromise for me is finding OTHER Black people regardless of sex or culture...who share similar goals and working together with them.
That's why I'm FBA but can't ignore or totally separate myself from other members of the Black Diaspora as a lot of our people are seeking to do.
 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 wisdom is  in your words

[ProfD]

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sometimes the problem isn't the RESULTS but the EXPECTATIONS.

I've had several experiences that sometimes makes me want to even go further and say it's not even about RACE but about COMMON INTERESTS of the individuals.

 That is how a movement starts up.

 

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

But I'm so B1 (Black first) that it's ingrained in my character so I'm not likely to put race to the side.
It will always be a factor in this Life Cycle.

There is nothing inherently wrong with remaining true to B1 because every other group of people has cultural ties that bind them.

 

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A sweet compromise for me is finding OTHER Black people regardless of sex or culture...who share similar goals and working together with them.
That's why I'm FBA but can't ignore or totally separate myself from other members of the Black Diaspora as a lot of our people are seeking to do.

Sure.  People from all over the spectrum will join a movement that piques their interests. 

 

Still, those same non-FBA folks will have a loyalty and allegiance to their own culture first and foremost.

 

Understanding that distinction makes all the difference in the success of a movement. 

 

I keep it a bean with all of my non-FBA folks.  If some sh8t breaks out, I already know which way most of them will run.  I'd be surprised if they didn't.

 

If non-FBA folks cannot fix their home countries and/or never return there, I certainly would not trust their loyalty to me.

 

My counsel to non-FBA family is that we're still alive when the dust settles, we'll reconnect and resume having food and drinks and a good time.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

There is nothing inherently wrong with remaining true to B1 because every other group of people has cultural ties that bind them.

 

Supposedly.....

I've noticed that when it comes to many non-FBA groups, the only CULTURAL TIE that binds them together is their lack of respect and constant criticism of Black Americans, lol.

 

They may not agree with eachother on anything else, but they can agree with eachother on that.

 

What I find funny is how most groups around the world seem to take pride in claiming as "their own" cultural traits that nearly every other group brags about also.

For example....

Latinos will claim THEY are family oriented.
But Africans groups also claim the same thing.
And Asian groups make the same claim.
So how is being "family oriented" even a cultural trait?

 

Or a particular group will brag about how virtuous their women are and how they don't have sex with different types of men like "other" groups.
Nearly every non-Western culture makes this same claim about the women on their culture.

 

 

Still, those same non-FBA folks will have a loyalty and allegiance to their own culture first and foremost.

 

Naturally.

 

 

 

If non-FBA folks cannot fix their home countries and/or never return there, I certainly would not trust their loyalty to me.

 

Great point to make.
I know quite a few who fled to America and can't return home.

 

[ProfD]

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've noticed that when it comes to many non-FBA groups, the only CULTURAL TIE that binds them together is their lack of respect and constant criticism of Black Americans, lol.

Anti-Black sentiment is global.

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They may not agree with eachother on anything else, but they can agree with eachother on that.

Like a family, there are fissures within it but there is still a tie that binds.

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What I find funny is how most groups around the world seem to take pride in claiming as "their own" cultural traits that nearly every other group brags about also.

The traits they share in common with other groups makes no difference.  However, there are cultural ties and traditions they uphold.

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I know quite a few who fled to America and can't return home.

Many of them have no desire to return *home* even if they could.

[Pioneer1]

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Many of them have no desire to return *home* even if they could.

But most of them claim they WILL..."one day", lol.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But most of them claim they WILL..."one day", lol.

Yep.  Just like n8gglets stretched out in the pen.  They like to tell people they're coming home one day too.