Drones Flying Around Not Considered UAPs/UFOs?

[ProfD]

There's been plenty of drone sightings lately. 

 

Several years ago, folks would have sworn they were UAPs/UFOs.

 

Maybe the US military has had drones for well over 50 years.

 

[ProfD]

During a press conference today, incoming POTUS OJ admitted US government and military knows exactly what's going on with the drones.

 

Congress supposedly asking for answers is total BS. The lack of transparency in telling the American people the truth is a smoke screen to give the media something to talk about as news.

 

There are 729,000 drones registered with the FAA. That's a whole lot of drones.

 

My belief is the US military is testing equipment as usual. They're probably using it to spy on people too.

[frankster]

On 12/13/2024 at 10:13 PM, ProfD said:

There's been plenty of drone sightings lately. 

True....especially NY NJ & PA

One Wonders if there is a connection between them and the  recent congressional hearings.

 

On 12/13/2024 at 10:13 PM, ProfD said:

 

Several years ago, folks would have sworn they were UAPs/UFOs.

Yep...flying technology is so available today

Its either drones or the other.....could it be both?

 

On 12/13/2024 at 10:13 PM, ProfD said:

 

Maybe the US military has had drones for well over 50 years.

True.....Maybe Longer too

 

On 12/13/2024 at 10:13 PM, ProfD said:

 

 

41 minutes ago, ProfD said:

During a press conference today, incoming POTUS OJ admitted US government and military knows exactly what's going on with the drones.

A Smokescreen design to discredit and obfuscate real UAP/UFO activity

 

41 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Congress supposedly asking for answers is total BS. The lack of transparency in telling the American people th truth is a smoke screen to give the media something to talk about as news.

True

 

41 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

There are 729,000 drones registered with the FAA. That's a whole lot of drones.

True

 

41 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

My belief is the US military is testing equipment as usual. They're probably using it to spy on people too.

True

[Troy]

It makes no sense to me that the planet's most powerful military doesn't where these thing are coming from.  It seems to me that they have the potential to cause problems with commercial flights.  I heard they are the size of refrigerators!?  What is the problem? Scramble some jets.

 

 

[ProfD]

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

It makes no sense to me that the planet's most powerful military doesn't where these thing are coming from.  What is the problem? 

There is no problem.  The military knows exactly what's happening.   They are responsible for it.  That's also why commercial flights aren't being impacted. 

 

3 hours ago, frankster said:

A Smokescreen design to discredit and obfuscate real UAP/UFO activity

Obfuscating the American people is par for the course.

[frankster]

DISCLOSURE Cont....

 

19 hours ago, Troy said:

It makes no sense to me that the planet's most powerful military doesn't where these thing are coming from.  It seems to me that they have the potential to cause problems with commercial flights.  I heard they are the size of refrigerators!?  What is the problem? Scramble some jets.

The Drones are belonging to US Reasearch companies....what they are researching is what was once called "Balled Lightening" - thought to be responsible for "crop circles"

The drone are sent to figure out if they are intelligent and self aware....I think the are computer like programs that are self contained  That are used to research and interact.

 

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

There is no problem.  The military knows exactly what's happening.   They are responsible for it.  That's also why commercial flights aren't being impacted. 

There is a problem...the drones are sent to investigate - my assumption.

The Military knows about the drones

Commercial are rarely impacted by UFO/UAP

 

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Obfuscating the American people is par for the course.

The military and they government considers us citizens as way too skittish to handle the truth

A relative new word is entering our Lexicon as a Result of these UAP/UFO/Drone activity.....Plasmoid

 

[Troy]

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

That's also why commercial flights aren't being impacted. 

 

That is a plausible explanation... 

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

what they are researching is what was once called "Balled Lightening" - thought to be responsible for "crop circles"

 

Starting to sound less plausible more conspiracy theoryish.

 

Look if the American people can deal with learning about 45K dead civilians in Gaza without batting an eye we can handle a few aliens running around.  Maybe it will help unify us.  

[frankster]

5 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

That is a plausible explanation... 

The Question is....is  military aircraft and bases being impacted?

 

5 minutes ago, Troy said:

Starting to sound less plausible more conspiracy theoryish.

Not sure what you mean could you further ex[plain your opinion..

 

5 minutes ago, Troy said:

Look if the American people can deal with learning about 45K dead civilians in Gaza without batting an eye we can handle a few aliens running around. 

Thats because they understand that our people are in control of this situation.

 

5 minutes ago, Troy said:

Maybe it will help unify us.  

Maybe it will....more likely we panic as we are not known to be in control

All of our Governmental Organizations still do not know or have control of these drones and orbs....as far as mass media is concern.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, frankster said:

A relative new word is entering our Lexicon as a Result of these UAP/UFO/Drone activity.....Plasmoid

The word plasmoid has been around since the 1950s among astrophysicists.

 

General population really isn't ready to believe that instead of big-head, bug-eyed, gray bodied creatures, a combination of plasma and magnetic fields constitutes an alien lifeform.

[frankster]

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

The word plasmoid has been around since the 1950s among astrophysicists.

True

 

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

General population really isn't ready to believe that instead of big-head, bug-eyed, gray bodied creatures, a combination of plasma and magnetic fields constitutes an alien lifeform.

It sures looks that way.....

 

 

 

 

FBI issues warning urging people to not shoot down drones

 

Did she say.....

Wright-Paterson AFB force to shut down.....because of Drones????

Who forces the US Military to shut down?

Wright-Paterson is not a commercial Airport.....it is Military.

 

NYPD recovers large drone found in Brooklyn Navy Yard | News 12

 

Who is the enemy that President Trump is alluding To ?????

 

Trump comments on drone sightings

 

[Troy]

On 12/17/2024 at 12:55 PM, frankster said:

Not sure what you mean could you further ex[plain your opinion..

 

You wrote, "The Drones are belonging to US Reasearch companies....what they are researching is what was once called "Balled Lightening" - thought to be responsible for "crop circles""

 

Your statement implies that crop circles warrant and are indeed being investigated by the US military.  Crop Circles are the post child for conspiracy theories.  Besides if the military were investigating "balled lightening," seem that can just tell us that -- don't you think?  Tying Balled Lightening to crop circles is firmly in the realm of a conspiracy theories.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Wright-Paterson AFB force to shut down.....because of Drones????

 

Yes, that was what the video reported.  I guess this answers your question.

 

This entire thing is very strange.

[frankster]

51 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

You wrote, "The Drones are belonging to US Reasearch companies....what they are researching is what was once called "Balled Lightening" - thought to be responsible for "crop circles""

 

Your statement implies that crop circles warrant and are indeed being investigated by the US military.  Crop Circles are the post child for conspiracy theories.  Besides if the military were investigating "balled lightening," seem that can just tell us that -- don't you think?  Tying Balled Lightening to crop circles is firmly in the realm of a conspiracy theories.

True...my suppositions has led to me conflating

I have no evidence that the US governement is investigating balled Lightening or crop circles in this case.

 

However I do think they are investigating what they call Plasmoids.

To me plasmoids and balled lightening are very similar if not the same.

Balled Lightening are always seen in the vicinty of or during the time when crop cirles are formed or soon after or prior to

 

51 minutes ago, Troy said:

Yes, that was what the video reported.  I guess this answers your question.

The Pentagon has stated it is not a Foreign Adversary that is responsible for these drone and or orbs(plasmoids)

If the Pentagon is not ordering the drones(UAS) to be because they are obviously ours as the have FAA signaling  lights.

But the Orbs are destroying the drones.

 

51 minutes ago, Troy said:

This entire thing is very strange.

Here is where it gets strange....UFO/UAP have a long history of messing with military assets - real life"broken Arrow" scenario

 

Romur mill

80 unkrainian Nuclear war heads have gone missing now an essential nuclear component went missing over Newfield NJ on dec 2 while being transported by the US military

Reports are that the containment vessel was damage and a Radioactive source known as a pin was stolen the pin had to do with cancer research and was to be destroyed.

Military Contractors seem to think the stolen pin is in the hands of the operators of the orb or they too are seeking it

Event Report NRC57455

[Troy]

28 minutes ago, frankster said:

80 unkrainian Nuclear war heads have gone missing now an essential nuclear component went missing over Newfield NJ on dec 2 while being transported by the US military

 

When you strike out text what does that intended to communicate, that you don't cosign the information?

[frankster]

9 hours ago, Troy said:

 

When you strike out text what does that intended to communicate, that you don't cosign the information?

I do not want to or cannot back up or support all the information....with what I consider a credible source.

[Pioneer1]

Not sure what to make of these so-called "drone" sightings.

 

The fact they they're calling them "drones" instead of UFOs or UAPs is evidence that they seem to know SOMETHING of their technological make-up.

The government and even the main stream media DEFINITELY know more than they're letting on.

 

At this point, I'm not hyped up and excited over Who or What they are...yet.

Because if they indeed ARE extraterrestrial, why aren't they helping US as AfroAmericans?

We need your HELP.
We don't need you to just fly around in circles "monitoring" things while our people are being dominated and mistreated.

If you're coming here to help...HELP.

 

UFOs existed...during Slavery
UFOs existed...during the Holocaust
UFOs existed...when the U.S. nuked Hiroshima
UFOs existed...during the Genocide in Rwanda

 

Ok?
And what did they do to prevent these things from happening?

They still happened.  So you got the answer.

[ProfD]

35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because if they indeed ARE extraterrestrial, why aren't they helping US as AfroAmericans?

We need your HELP.

Maybe the Supreme Being instructed them not to get involved in the affairs of humans.

 

That would explain why if they existed, ETs do not make themselves known to us. No  contact.

[Pioneer1]

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Maybe the Supreme Being instructed them not to get involved in the affairs of humans.

 

That would explain why if they existed, ETs do not make themselves known to us. No  contact.

Perhaps....

If this is the case, how does that help US?
 

 

[ProfD]

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps....

If this is the case, how does that help US?

Gotta take that up with the Supreme Being if it's according to a program.

[frankster]

No need to watch the following 

time stamp 5:10 - 6:40

Pentagon holds briefing as questions swirl about drones over New Jersey | full video

 

[frankster]

time stamp 24 and 32

[ProfD]

Defense spokeswoman said everything short of we know what's going on and we're comfortable with it. 

 

That's why they're telling citizens not to shoot down drones aka counter-surveillance aircraft.

[frankster]

On 12/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Not sure what to make of these so-called "drone" sightings.

The drones are misdirection.....The Plasmoids or what are being called plasmoids are what is of interest.

 

On 12/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

 

The fact they they're calling them "drones" instead of UFOs or UAPs is evidence that they seem to know SOMETHING of their technological make-up.

The government and even the main stream media DEFINITELY know more than they're letting on.

The know some are drones....that they know - belonging to military contractors.

 

 

On 12/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

 

At this point, I'm not hyped up and excited over Who or What they are...yet.

Because if they indeed ARE extraterrestrial, why aren't they helping US as AfroAmericans?

How you know they are not?

 

On 12/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

We need your HELP.
We don't need you to just fly around in circles "monitoring" things while our people are being dominated and mistreated.

If you're coming here to help...HELP.

Maybe they see us all black white red yellow as one race....human/earthlings

 

On 12/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

 

UFOs existed...during Slavery
UFOs existed...during the Holocaust
UFOs existed...when the U.S. nuked Hiroshima
UFOs existed...during the Genocide in Rwanda

Non-interference Agreements and or Rules of Engagements

 

On 12/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Ok?
And what did they do to prevent these things from happening?

Maybe they prevented worse....because it did not happen - we know nothing of it

 

On 12/21/2024 at 7:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

They still happened.  So you got the answer.

It has been said that humans has reach this level of technological sophistication and beyond....7 times already and self destruct - Atlantis Lemuria and Mu

[Troy]

21 hours ago, frankster said:

It has been said

 

Everything under the Sun has been said...

 

The planet is certainly old enough for a humanoid civilization to have emerged, exceeded of technological development, by far.  There is no evidence of this as such a civilization has disappeared without a trace from the archeological record.   

[ProfD]

25 minutes ago, Troy said:

The planet is certainly old enough for a humanoid civilization to have emerged, exceeded of technological development, by far.  There is no evidence of this as such a civilization has disappeared without a trace from the archeological record.   

Right.  The rock we call Earth is already 5 billion years old and counting.

 

It would be hilarious if humans are in the 7th or 8th cycle of going through its developmental stages up through current technology and whatever lies beyond it only to repeat the same cycle X millions of years from now.

 

Humans dig up a lot of crap archaeologically both land and sea and haven't retrieved a million year old spaceship or computer with files on the hard drive.

 

The *curse* of being human is having the imagination to come up with the craziest sh8t in terms of thoughts and beliefs.

[frankster]

7 hours ago, Troy said:

 

Everything under the Sun has been said...

yes and what was of olden times comes again as new.

 

7 hours ago, Troy said:

 

The planet is certainly old enough for a humanoid civilization to have emerged, exceeded of technological development, by far.  There is no evidence of this as such a civilization has disappeared without a trace from the archeological record.   

Not with out a trace....

Many mythologies has hinted at such probabilities....

Here is one from the bible

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,

 

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[frankster]

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right.  The rock we call Earth is already 5 billion years old and counting.

True

 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

It would be hilarious if humans are in the 7th or 8th cycle of going through its developmental stages up through current technology and whatever lies beyond it only to repeat the same cycle X millions of years from now.

It has been claimed that is exactly what is happening to us

 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

Humans dig up a lot of crap archaeologically both land and sea and haven't retrieved a million year old spaceship or computer with files on the hard drive.

if they did....would you believe it?

Or would you still need officialdom acceptance and approval

 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

The *curse* of being human is having the imagination to come up with the craziest sh8t in terms of thoughts and beliefs.

No no it is our blessing

[ProfD]

55 minutes ago, frankster said:

if they did....would you believe it?

Or would you still need officialdom acceptance and approval

If *they* being ETs came down and made themselves known to all Earthlings, I'd have to accept it.

 

55 minutes ago, frankster said:

No no it is our blessing

True.  Imagination is a blessing.  It' is a *curse* when used to confuse or trick and deceive others.

[frankster]

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

If *they* being ETs came down and made themselves known to all Earthlings, I'd have to accept it.

What are you willing to do to have that  experience?

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

True.  Imagination is a blessing.  It' is a *curse* when used to confuse or trick and deceive others.

True.

All things can be misused and abused

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

What are you willing to do to have that  experience?

I shouldn't have to do anything if the ETs decide to park their UFO at the White House or Wal-Mart parking lot; step out and declare they're here.

1 hour ago, frankster said:

All things can be misused and abused

An unfortunate side effect of being human.

[frankster]

On 12/27/2024 at 10:33 AM, ProfD said:

I shouldn't have to do anything

Well that is where you are wrong.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 10:33 AM, ProfD said:

if the ETs decide to park their UFO at the White House or Wal-Mart parking lot; step out and declare they're here.

They did the next best thing.....UFO's buzzed the white house in 1952. - they were identified by officials and scientist as stars meteors and temperature inversions back them

Be assured if UFO did that today....the would be called drones

 

On 12/27/2024 at 10:33 AM, ProfD said:

An unfortunate side effect of being human.

true.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Well that is where you are wrong.

Why should I have to do something in order to prove the existence of UAPs/UFOs/ETs?
 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

They did the next best thing.....UFO's buzzed the white house in 1952. - they were identified by officials and scientist as stars meteors and temperature inversions back them

The American public accepted the explanation?

 

The information was never leaked or declassified?

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Be assured if UFO did that today....the would be called drones

The future is now as they are calling these sightings drones instead of UAPs/UFOs/ETs.

 

With cameras everywhere, it would be even more impossible to hide or suppress such things if they existed.

[frankster]

30 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Why should I have to do something in order to prove the existence of UAPs/UFOs/ETs?

UFO's do not work for me or you...why should they do our biddings?

 

30 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The American public accepted the explanation?

They were forced fed it and so most did not question further? 

 

30 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The information was never leaked or declassified?

Key information was classified according to whistleblowers.....That they landed and demanded a meeting that was later held at Holloman AFB.

 

30 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The future is now as they are calling these sightings drones instead of UAPs/UFOs/ETs.

Exactly

 

30 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

With cameras everywhere, it would be even more impossible to hide or suppress such things if they existed.

Not if you call them drones

[ProfD]

36 minutes ago, frankster said:

UFO's do not work for me or you...why should they do our biddings?

It doesn't make sense that I should have to do something in order to prove UAPs/UFOs/ETs exist. 

 

I shouldn't have to demand the government opens up the files and provide full access to any hidden or suppressed information.

 

It's on the UAPs/UFOs/ETs to make themselves known if they exist.

 

36 minutes ago, frankster said:

They were forced fed it and so most did not question further? 

Similar to the Congressional hearings filled with testimonies that aren't worth the travel expenses or recording.

 

36 minutes ago, frankster said:

Key information was classified according to whistleblowers.....That they landed and demanded a meeting that was later held at Holloman AFB.

To date, that information still hasn't been declassified.

 

36 minutes ago, frankster said:

Not if you call them drones

They can only call them drones until people provide proof or evidence  that it's a UAP/UFO/ET.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

It doesn't make sense that I should have to do something in order to prove UAPs/UFOs/ETs exist. 

You are the one in need of proof

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

I shouldn't have to demand the government opens up the files and provide full access to any hidden or suppressed information.

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

It's on the UAPs/UFOs/ETs to make themselves known if they exist.

For all I know maybe it is the UFO that wishes to remain UNIDENTIFIED

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Similar to the Congressional hearings filled with testimonies that aren't worth the travel expenses or recording.

the are more interested than the latest star wars 

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

To date, that information still hasn't been declassified.

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

They can only call them drones until people provide proof or evidence  that it's a UAP/UFO/ET.

True

[ProfD]

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

You are the one in need of proof

I only need proof in order to believe any of it. 

 

Otherwise, I simply don't believe any of it.

 

Of course, I'm the resident agnostic around here too.

 

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

For all I know maybe it is the UFO that wishes to remain UNIDENTIFIED

That's easy.  Stop showing up if the UAP/UFO/ET wishes to remain unidentified.

 

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

the are more interested than the latest star wars 

Maybe so. Appears to be different forms of entertainment from where I sit.

[frankster]

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I only need proof in order to believe any of it. 

Then you must do...

 

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Otherwise, I simply don't believe any of it.

That is fine

 

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Of course, I'm the resident agnostic around here too.

That's cool too...

 

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

That's easy.  Stop showing up if the UAP/UFO/ET wishes to remain unidentified.

They show up because they are real.....but if you cant identified then they remain officially unreal

 

 

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Maybe so. Appears to be different forms of entertainment from where I sit.

If you not apart of the happenings then its some form of entertainment

[ProfD]

8 hours ago, frankster said:

They show up because they are real.....but if you cant identified then they remain officially ununreal

Similar to a hallucination. Only shows up to those want to see and believe it.

 

in the case of UAP/UFO/ET, it's amazing that 99.99% of the population has never seen it.

[frankster]

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Similar to a hallucination. Only shows up to those want to see and believe it.

This is not true in the case of UFO......Many current UFO advocates started out trying to disprove the existence of UFO - especially those who were formally government employees.

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

in the case of UAP/UFO/ET, it's amazing that 99.99% of the population has never seen it.

Anywhere from as little as 10%  to as much 20% of the US population have stated/reported that they have seen a UFO

It is assumed/believed that at least 30% more has refused to report their sightings for fear of ridicule and reprisal

[Troy]

3 hours ago, frankster said:

It is assumed/believed that at least 30%

 One out of three... that seems high.  @frankster and @ProfD (anybody) have you ever seen a UFO, or to be clearer; have you ever seen anything in the sky that you thought might be extraterrestrial?

 

Once, when camping and looking up at a star-filled sky, I noticed what looked like a star to me, but unlike a star it was moving across the nighttime the sky.  It clearly was not an airplane. I had no idea what it was.  I described what I saw to one of my coworkers the next day.  Unbeknownst to me he was a leader of boy scout troop and was camping out the same night.  He told me he saw it too.  He said it was a satellite. 

 

I don't recall ever thinking it was an alien spacecraft -- It would take a lot for me conclude that.  

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 One out of three... that seems high.  @frankster and @ProfD (anybody) have you ever seen a UFO, or to be clearer; have you ever seen anything in the sky that you thought might be extraterrestrial?

True...it is high

so lets go with near 20% i quoted earlier of people who actually report a sighting

 

Thirty-six percent of Americans, about 80 million people, believe UFOs exist, and a tenth believe they have spotted one, a new National Geographic poll shows.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ufos-exist-americans-national-geographic-survey/story?id=16661311

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

Once, when camping and looking up at a star-filled sky, I noticed what looked like a star to me, but unlike a star it was moving across the nighttime the sky.  It clearly was not an airplane. I had no idea what it was.  I described what I saw to one of my coworkers the next day.  Unbeknownst to me he was a leader of boy scout troop and was camping out the same night.  He told me he saw it too.  He said it was a satellite. 

Up until he identified it....if identified it he did - it was a UFO

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

I don't recall ever thinking it was an alien spacecraft -- It would take a lot for me conclude that.  

True....I cant say with a 100% conviction that have i seen one

[ProfD]

15 hours ago, frankster said:

Thirty-six percent of Americans, about 80 million people, believe UFOs exist, and a tenth believe they have spotted one, a new National Geographic poll shows.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ufos-exist-americans-national-geographic-survey/story?id=16661311

That article is 12 years old. 80 million people is a lot. Wonder why I wasn't polled.

 

Even if 8 million people spotted a UAP/UFO, I find it hard to believe 10% of them (800,000) didn't have their cell phone on hand to snap pictures and upload them to the internet.

 

Surely, the government aka officialdom couldn't confiscate a million pictures.

 

Of course, more than 80% of the pictures would be verified as some type of aircraft.

 

The other 20% of pictures would be too grainy to determine what was being photographed. 

15 hours ago, frankster said:

True....I cant say with a 100% conviction that have i seen one

It's OK. Neither can the folks who claim they saw a UAP/UFO. 

 

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, Sasquatch aka Bigfoot received as much attention as UAP/UFO/ET.

 

Bigfoot was the subject of articles, books, TV shows and movies. I wonder how many campers were filed as missing persons.

 

No amount of technology nor military trained people nor outdoorsmen could track down a 10-foot tall creature running around in the woods.

 

Then, there was the Loch Ness monster. A big azz creature swimming around in the water. Again, technology couldn't detect it.

 

Not to mention paranormal activity. Another source of fantasy among humans. Ghosts have probably been in the human psyche longer than any other phenomena.

 

Like dragons, angels and demons, the human imagination has a fascination with mythological creatures.

 

Humans find entertainment in the unknown. They will make up and/or invent something to believe.

[frankster]

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

That article is 12 years old. 80 million people is a lot.

Old but true.

Chances are the percentage is higher today

 

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Wonder why I wasn't polled.

Could be because you not white

 

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Even if 8 million people spotted a UAP/UFO, I find it hard to believe 10% of them (800,000l didn't have their cell phone on hand to snap pictures and upoload them to the internet.

They do now.....and the internet is provided a platform for them

 

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Surely, the governement aka officialdom couldn't confiscate a million pictures.

They no longer need to....just explain away a few and cast the rest into the waste bin

The few that's irrefutable....those are the ones to confiscate

 

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Of course, more than 80% of the pictures would be verified as some type of aircraft.

True....that's "F" in UFO.

 

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The other 20% of pictures would be too grainy to determine what was being photographed. 

The grainy ones are always the most popular.

 

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

It's OK. Neither can the folks who claim they saw a UAP/UFO. 

Some have pictures and radar readings....i do not.

 

39 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, Sasquatch aka Bigfoot received as much attention as UAP/UFO/ET.

 

Bigfoot was the subject of articles, books, TV shows and movies. I wonder how many campers were filed as missing persons.

 

No amount of technology nor military trained people nor outdoorsmen could track down a 10-foot tall creature running around in the woods.

 

Then, there was the Loch Ness monster. A big azz creature swimming around in the water. Again, technology couldn't detect it.

 

Not to mention paranormal activity. Another source of fantasy among humans. Ghosts have probably been in the human psyche longer than any other phenomena.

 

Like dragons, angels and demons, the human imagination has a fascination with mythological creatures.

 

Humans find entertainment in the unknown. They will make up and/or invent something to believe.

None of the Men who testified before congress mention any cryptid seen or caught on instrumentation

[Troy]

4 hours ago, frankster said:

Up until he identified it....if identified it he did - it was a UFO

Just because I didn’t know it was a satellite doesn’t make it a UFO. 
 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

80 million people is a lot. Wonder why I wasn't polled.

I have not read the article yet, but I can guarantee you. They did not poll 80 million people. They took a representative sample of the population and based upon those responses, they are making an estimate for the entire population. They probably only asked a couple  thousand people — if that.

 

It is part of the human condition that we believe all kinds of madness. We can’t help ourselves. Some people are far more likely to believe things like ghost Bigfoot unicorns mermaids, walking on water, parting seas, flat earth,, whatever.

[frankster]

21 minutes ago, Troy said:

Just because I didn’t know it was a satellite doesn’t make it a UFO. 

Okay i was playing with word meanings....once identified its not or no longer a UFO

 

 

21 minutes ago, Troy said:

I have not read the article yet, but I can guarantee you. They did not poll 80 million people. They took a representative sample of the population and based upon those responses, they are making an estimate for the entire population. They probably only asked a couple  thousand people — if that.

True....more likely a survey sample size of 1000 individuals covering maybe 3 to 4 demographics

Scientific Polling and Random Sampling - usually pretty close to accurate.

 

21 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

It is part of the human condition that we believe all kinds of madness. We can’t help ourselves. Some people are far more likely to believe things like ghost Bigfoot unicorns mermaids, walking on water, parting seas, flat earth,, whatever.

True....but you do realize that the Congressional Hearing was not about any of those?

So lets not conflate the issues

[Troy]

10 hours ago, frankster said:

....but you do realize that the Congressional Hearing was not about any of those? 
So lets not conflate the issues

 

I'm not sure I'm conflating.  I was not talking about the hearings; I was talking about man's propensity to believe outlandish things.

 

But as far as the hearings, based upon our knowledge what is the difference between big foot and little green men (i.e. aliens)? I listened to large chucks of the testimony; did I miss the proof of the extraterrestrial origins of the UFOs or UAPs?

 

Given there are trillions of planets billions years older than ours.  I believe the likelihood of superior extraterrestrial intelligence with the capability of reaching earth is almost certain.  Has it happened? I'm not so sure.

[ProfD]

12 hours ago, frankster said:

None of the Men who testified before congress mention any cryptid seen or caught on instrumentation

They don't have any proof either.

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

True....more likely a survey sample size of 1000 individuals covering maybe 3 to 4 demographics

Scientific Polling and Random Sampling - usually pretty close to accurate.

Statistics and data are easily manipulated.  Look no further than recent election polls.

11 minutes ago, Troy said:

I listened to large chucks of the testimony, but did I miss the proof of the extraterrestrial origins of the UFOs or UAPs?

No sir.

11 minutes ago, Troy said:

Given there are trillions of planets billions years older than ours.  I believe the likelihood of superior extraterrestrial intelligence with the capability of reaching earth is almost certain.  Has it happened? I'm not so sure.

I know how it *looks* to disbelieve in such but neither arrogance nor ignorance is the source of my doubt. 

 

The *problem* I have is that it has taken 200,000 years of existence for humans to plunge the depths of the ocean or get off the ground into outer space.  We still cannot survive in either environment for too long without equipment.  We cannot travel in light-years.

 

I would love to witness UAP/UFO/ETs given what we *know* scientifically about the universe in terms of distances and how planets are constructed and composed, time/space continuum, etc.

 

An extra-terrestrial lifeform capable of building a craft that travels light-years and survives any planetary condition would mean they have mastered every limitation known to humankind in terms of physics.  

 

I think it would be awesome and welcome *something* to show up here on Earth capable of dropping a higher level of knowledge on humans. 

 

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting on it though.  Oxygen is still important to my survival.

[Troy]

37 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I think it would be awesome and welcome *something* to show up here on Earth capable of dropping a higher level of knowledge on humans. 

 

A life form that smart would be to us as we are to worms -- we would be incapable of understanding anything they had to relate.  At best, we would be nothing more than pets: curious creatures that display an affinity for destroying their environment and each other.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

A life form that smart would be to us as we are to worms -- we would be incapable of understanding anything they had to relate.  At best, we would be nothing more than pets: curious creatures that display an affinity for destroying their environment and each other.

Right.  That would make humans interesting for about 10 seconds before it was time to get back into the spaceship and bounce.

 

Otherwise, understanding the habitability of other planets or lack thereof would reduce extra-terrestrial lifeforms to microbial extremophiles at best.  The only way it would travel to Earth is hitching a ride on asteroid.  Kinda like us.  No UAP/UFO.

[frankster]

6 hours ago, Troy said:

 

I'm not sure I'm conflating.  I was not talking about the hearings; I was talking about man's propensity to believe outlandish things.

Ok cool.

The Imagination is Where Man is Truly God......Whatever he Imagines becomes possible.....With Time all is possible.

No one can Claimed to Know all that exist in this World....Or how worlds Intertwine.

How does the Imagination and The World....Coexist and Connects

 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

 

But as far as the hearings, based upon our knowledge what is the difference between big foot and little green men (i.e. aliens)? I listened to large chucks of the testimony; did I miss the proof of the extraterrestrial origins of the UFOs or UAPs?

No you did not....miss proof.

What you miss is progression..

In the East and In Africa Life is abundant every where.....Intelligent Life from else has been here many times and are still her coming and going.

 

 

ONCE up on a time......The so called Rational Logicians Empiricist  of Western Science  Said

Life exist no where else but planet Earth....

Ok maybe life exist in small pockets here and there....but there is no proof of life anywhere put earth and definitely no Intelligent Life.

Ok maybe life exist and even intelligent life few and far between still no proof of either

Ok maybe life is abundant all over the Universe but the distances are too vast to traverse...Still no proof of life.

 

I have witness those changes in my Lifetime....small and almost imperceptible - in terms Western Scientific History but in one lifetime it is vast

 

 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

Given there are trillions of planets billions years older than ours.  I believe the likelihood of superior extraterrestrial intelligence with the capability of reaching earth is almost certain.  Has it happened? I'm not so sure.

True

Many Cultures from all over the globe speaks to Aliens from other Star system  Coming here

 

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

They don't have any proof either.

Depends on your criteria for Proof??

They did bring.....Evidence - Eyewitness and Instrument Recordings

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Statistics and data are easily manipulated.  Look no further than recent election polls.

True

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

No sir.

I know how it *looks* to disbelieve in such but neither arrogance nor ignorance is the source of my doubt. 

It is definitely not Ignorance....in the sense of lacking the mental capacity - your Intelligence Rationality and Logics  is not in question

Arrogance in the sense of ignoring certain statements of Others....for want of more info.

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

The *problem* I have is that it has taken 200,000 years of existence for humans to plunge the depths of the ocean or get off the ground into outer space.  We still cannot survive in either environment for too long without equipment.  We cannot travel in light-years.

True....

 

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

I would love to witness UAP/UFO/ETs given what we *know* scientifically about the universe in terms of distances and how planets are constructed and composed, time/space continuum, etc.

Not at all surprising to me

Imagine a man from before we domesticated the horse and the invention of the bow and tell him you are going to sent a message from what is now the US to England in under 30 seconds..

To that man you would be talking crap....

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

An extra-terrestrial lifeform capable of building a craft that travels light-years and survives any planetary condition would mean they have mastered every limitation known to humankind in terms of physics.  

No...not every limitations but some

The have found away to travel.

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

I think it would be awesome and welcome *something* to show up here on Earth capable of dropping a higher level of knowledge on humans. 

 

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting on it though.  Oxygen is still important to my survival.

Our Forebearers on whom our knowledge is built says this has happened....

 

 

5 hours ago, Troy said:

 

A life form that smart would be to us as we are to worms -- we would be incapable of understanding anything they had to relate.  At best, we would be nothing more than pets: curious creatures that display an affinity for destroying their environment and each other.

They would be considered a Type 1 civilization...With Highest Level being a Type VII

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right.  That would make humans interesting for about 10 seconds before it was time to get back into the spaceship and bounce.

 

Otherwise, understanding the habitability of other planets or lack thereof would reduce extra-terrestrial lifeforms to microbial extremophiles at best.  The only way it would travel to Earth is hitching a ride on asteroid.  Kinda like us.  No UAP/UFO.

That is only one Mode of Travel......there maybe many more

[ProfD]

@frankster, a drone hit one of the Super Scooper airplanes dropping water on the wildfire. 

 

The drone put a fist-sized hole in the left wing of the . No crash landing or loss of life.

 

No UAP/UFO/ET.  It was probably some clown trying to gather video for YouTube.