Race And Sexuality (Yeah I'm back on that 'ish again...lol): "Vanilla" Iceberg Slims?

[Pioneer1]

I recently said in a dialog between me and our good brother ProfD, that White dudes often hang around Black men to learn some "swag" and how to talk to Black women.
Which is one of the reasons I DON'T let them hang around...lol.
They've already stolen enough.  If they want to learn how to be cool, talk to women, how to dress, how to cut hair...learn from eachother.
We've taught them enough already.

But it made me think of something else..............

The other week I was talking to a young man (younger than me atleast....lol)  at work about the amount of flirting that goes on between White men and Latina and African women.
He actually pointed out 2 things to me that I hadn't paid attention to but when he did...as so often is the case...you start noticing them more and more.

1. He said that in his generation, the White men are more out going and go after them more than previous generations and many of them are trying mack hard on the women.

2. He said that in his generation, most of the Black men are either gay, soft acting, or just indifferent towards women.
He said they simply don't chase after women like the older generation of men did.


I started paying attention to those two things and noticed how correct he was in his observations.


I also noticed that a lot of the younger White men were acting like Black men USED to act!
A lot of us USED to walk and talk with a lot of swag and confidence.....but the media and even Black society DISCOURAGED a lot of the masculine and macho behavior Black boys exhibited.
Many of the White boys picked it up and ran with it.
 

[ProfD]

Hip-Hop music, cable TV, internet and a 24/7365 media cycle makes it easier for white folks (men and women) to cosplay certain aspects of Black folks.

 

I can see how and why white dudes would be more confident approaching Black women.

 

Especially if they hear narratives that 1) there aren't enough Black men for every Black woman and 2) Black men are broke, lazy and irresponsible. 

 

Then, Black athletes and entertainers are picking up white women semi-regularly. Maybe white dudes feel they can do the same thing.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Hip-Hop music, cable TV, internet and a 24/7365 media cycle makes it easier for white folks (men and women) to cosplay certain aspects of Black folks.

Facts
 

 

Especially if they hear narratives that 1) there aren't enough Black men for every Black woman and 2) Black men are broke, lazy and irresponsible.
 

Unfortunately a lot of this rhetoric is coming from some of our own sistaz.
 

For the past 10 years or so I've been telling them that if they want a White man...GET themselves a White man.
You don't have to run down Black men, claim there aren't enough, or make up lies and excuses for why you don't want one;  just get who you DO want and enjoy them.

 

[Chevdove]

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Unfortunately a lot of this rhetoric is coming from some of our own sistaz.

 

Passing the Buck. I believe that there is responsibility on both sides of the coin.

I believe that historically, bailing out on our 'race' due to Black Hatred was committed by both Black men and Black women and still today

this conflict is being encouraged to continue. 

I believe that Black Hatred is used to support White Domination.

 

It's not a lie though, IMO, that Black men have failed Black women, and vice versa. 

But when it comes down to it, historically and based on the Bible, it is the Black males that are being blamed first for causing the downfall of Black civilizations.

Were Black men undercut by the Black women? Absolutely. But there is a reason why the Creator starts with the Black men even for this too. 

 

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I recently said in a dialog between me and our good brother ProfD, that White dudes often hang around Black men to learn some "swag" and how to talk to Black women.
Which is one of the reasons I DON'T let them hang around...lol.

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Hip-Hop music, cable TV, internet and a 24/7365 media cycle makes it easier for white folks (men and women) to cosplay certain aspects of Black folks.

 

I can see how and why white dudes would be more confident approaching Black women.

 

And history is now repeating itself again. This is the same emotion that David embraced in the Bible and the same reason why he sabotaged Uriah-the-Hittite. But this intense Biblical account of a man of African descent being intolerant of a Hittite man who married a Black woman and who chose to reject his culture and join the Hebrew nation has been suppressed and kept hidden for some strange reason. 

 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

 

Passing the Buck. I believe that there is responsibility on both sides of the coin.

 

Facts.

 

 

 

I believe that historically, bailing out on our 'race' due to Black Hatred was committed by both Black men and Black women and still today

this conflict is being encouraged to continue. 

I believe that Black Hatred is used to support White Domination.

 

Some believe that Black hatred is a SPAWN of White Domination and came out of it.
I'm inclined to believe this too.
Although I do believe...as stated in my "tribalistic thread" that African people tend to be divided and more individualistic by nature and many racist Whites have learned to EXPLOIT this nature in our people.

 

 

It's not a lie though, IMO, that Black men have failed Black women, and vice versa. 

 

I agree to a certain extent.
However I'd go as far as to say that if a person FAILS at something...it means they ACTUALLY TRIED.

When was the last time AfroAmerican men...collectively...even TRIED to be the men we need to be to our women?

And when was the last time our women...collectively...even TRIED to be the women they needed to be for us?

 

A lot of our people have given up on THEMSELVES as well as eachother, and are now seeking comfort and understanding outside of our race, but they don't find it.
A White man can talk as nice as he wants and give you all the money....but no White man will understand you like an AfroAmerican man will.
Watching the different reactions to the George Floyd situation taught a lot of mixed couples that...lol.


 

But when it comes down to it, historically and based on the Bible, it is the Black males that are being blamed first for causing the downfall of Black civilizations.

 

Men are the ones primarily responsible for protecting and providing for ANY community.
Especially in....as Mel Hopkins would put it...lol...such a Patriarchal world such as this.

So if a civilization falls, it's ultimately the fault of the men.

Even if a community falls, it's the fault of the men because we should have done what was necessary to keep it together.

 

There was a story of a bunch of Jews held up in a compound and were surrounded by the Roman military.
Rather than surrender....they killed their women, children and finally themselves before allowing the Romans to lay hands on them because they KNEW what would happen to not only their families but future generations if they were captured.

 

[Troy]

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of us USED to walk and talk with a lot of swag and confidence.....but the media and even Black society DISCOURAGED a lot of the masculine and macho behavior Black boys exhibited.
Many of the White boys picked it up and ran with it.

 

Sure, the aggressive macho behavior you've described has been discouraged -- not just for Black people it is a cultural phenomenon.

 

I think it should have been tamped down.  Chivalry was murdered by the time I came of age and we as a culture have suffered for it.  I appreciate chivalry is a product of a patriarchal culture; indeed it's demise was brought on by the women's movement, but a cultural code of behavior needs to exist. The vacuum we have has not served us. 

 

Some aspects of chivalry need to be returned, but I know that is impossible as there are simply way too many images of men treating women as objects.  It is not just our president announcing the grabs pussies, it is built into the popular music, video, strip club, easy access to porn, etc.   

[Pioneer1]

Troy

I believe that if a man wants to be macho in his own sphere of influence he should be allowed that right, many women actually LOVE it and find it attractive.
One of the problems of the so-called "nice guy" is him treating women with the same respect and manner he treats other men and wonder why women ignore him sexually and chase after the brutish but aggressive asshole who exhibits traditionally masculine traits...lol.

Which brings me to another point.......

It's one thing for society to force ALL cultures, races, and ethnicities to behave in a non-sexist egalitarian way where women are not objectified sexually.
But that's not happening....in America atleast.
In Europe they are more fair in making EVERYONE conform to their laws and policies but in the United States, things are different.

Here, White and Black men are often targeted and accused of chauvinism, toxic masculinity, ect...but they'll ignore the Arab and Latino and Asian men who exhibit 10 times MORE chauvinistic behavior towards their own women.
Infact, their OWN women usually ignore it and in many cases ENCOURAGE it.
So Arab and Latino men get to enjoy their role as the dominant males and freely express their masculinity in a way White and Black American men aren't allowed to.
 

[ProfD]

2 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Here, White and Black men are often targeted and accused of chauvinism, toxic masculinity, ect...

Alpha males totally ignore that narrative.  Look no further than the current POTUS.  He grabs snatch boxes and talks sh8t and doesn't give a f8ck what anybody else thinks about him, 

[Troy]

Well @ProfD we know full well that in our racist culture white men get away with thing Black men would be crucified for all things being equal.  Obviously, Obama would have been completely unelectable if he behaved as badly as Trump.  

 

My mother says her father treated her mother like she was another one of his kids.  Now my grandfather was born in 1880 in a children where women were absolutely 2nd class citizens completely subservient to men with rare exception.  

 

I do not want to live in a world where women are treated like that, but at the same time we need a culture than both treats everyone with dignity while recognizing the inherent differences between the genders.

[Pioneer1]

The problem with trying to treat people equally is....some people DON'T WANT to be treated equally.
They want to be treated how THEY want to be treated, regardless as to how you treat somebody else.

Like S.O.S. used to sang,
"I don't care 'bout them other girls.....just be good to ME"

Lol....

Some women LOVE it when a man bosses them around and sexually objectifies them, as long as he's taking care of her financially and she doesn't have to work.
Other women prefer a man who treats her as his "partner" and they split everything 50/50.

Society shouldn't force ALL women or ALL men into one or the other category but should allow people to get in where they fit in.

But I don't trust these so-called egalitarian so-called liberated feminist White women.

They'll teach in universities and get on television encouraging BLACK WOMEN to be single and independent and fill the minds of Black girls with this shit, but they'll encourage THEIR OWN daughters at home to have tea parties (with the lace gloves and all...lol),  celebrate traditional weddings with the tuxedo and white dress, and even more shocking.....most of their husbands are macho MAGA hat wearing chauvinists!

When you ask some of these feminist White women why they're married to the most bigoted chauvinistic men....they'll respond in some cutsie way about how they're "working on him" or "he's not as bad as he used to be" or otherwise dismiss his sexist macho behavior; which shows you how hypocritical they are and that their real agenda is to break up the Black family.

Just like the "pussy grabbing" remark by Trump.
A lot of White women dismissed it as "locker room" talk...although he didn't say it in a damn locker room but to an actual reporter.
 

[ProfD]

8 minutes ago, Troy said:

Well @ProfD we know full well that in our racist culture white men get away with thing Black men would be crucified for all things being equal. 

Right.  Most women are totally fine with and attracted to alpha males.

 

There is a movement that has been pushing the belief in toxic masculinity and acceptance of the p*ssification of men. 

 

Real men don't give it too much oxygen knowing that when sh8t goes sideways everyone will be looking at us to handle it.

 

When that times comes, those who aren't on the frontlines, alpha women, snowflakes, power bottoms, etc., can sit on the sidelines cheerleading until the dust settles.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

As Troy alluded to earlier, one of the problems with going ahead and being alpha anyway despite what society says you can and can't do is you can "not care" all you want but if you TRY to be an alpha-man around the wrong White men, they'll quickly show you how alpha you are NOT.

There are a lot of alpha-men right now exhibiting dominance over others.....but other MEN, not women.
And they're doing it in PRISON.....because that's about as far as their alpha masculinity has taken them so far.

Black men in power must change things at the top to make it VIABLE for the rest of Black men in society to safely express their masculinity without being targeted to be taken out or locked up because THEIR masculinity as a Black man posed a threat to some racist White man's masculinity.

 

[ProfD]

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

As Troy alluded to earlier, one of the problems with going ahead and being alpha anyway despite what society says you can and can't do is you can "not care" all you want but if you TRY to be an alpha-man around the wrong White men, they'll quickly show you how alpha you are NOT.

There is no such thing as trying to be an alpha male around white men or anybody else. 

 

Regardless of race, there is a difference between alpha, beta and sigma men in society.

 

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are a lot of alpha-men right now exhibiting dominance over others.....but other MEN, not women.
And they're doing it in PRISON.....because that's about as far as their alpha masculinity has taken them so far.

An inmate cannot be an alpha male in prison any more than a lion can be king of the zoo.

 

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black men in power must change things at the top to make it VIABLE for the rest of Black men in society to safely express their masculinity without being targeted to be taken out or locked up because THEIR masculinity as a Black man posed a threat to some racist White man's masculinity.

Black men do not occupy power positions that can eliminate racist threats.  That is beyond a matter of politics.

 

A Black man should not use his masculinity to threaten racist white men. He should use it to gain and maintain power.

 

[Pioneer1]

 

ProfD

I've been seeing and hearing this term "sigma male" being around the internet lately.
Not exactly sure what it means.
However it's interesting that as folks descend the scale of the Greek alphabet from Alpha down to Beta they skip right over Delta and Gamma and jump to Sigma, lol.

[Troy]

They did not skip over Delta and Gamma males.  They have definitions people just don't talk about them very much.  I have not heard of sigma male until now.

[Chevdove]

On 4/13/2025 at 10:01 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Some believe that Black hatred is a SPAWN of White Domination and came out of it.
I'm inclined to believe this too.
Although I do believe...as stated in my "tribalistic thread" that African people tend to be divided and more individualistic by nature and many racist Whites have learned to EXPLOIT this nature in our people.

 

Yes, I believe that Black people have been exploited at unawares, however, I also believe that most of us do NOT accept accountability for negatives actions as well. 

I have not visited that thread yet but I do believe that African people have been encouraged to be divided and this could be both a good thing or bad depending. 

 

On 4/13/2025 at 10:01 AM, Pioneer1 said:

However I'd go as far as to say that if a person FAILS at something...it means they ACTUALLY TRIED. ...

A White man can talk as nice as he wants and give you all the money....but no White man will understand you like an AfroAmerican man will. ...
 

 

Again, we need to take accountability, IMO, if we want to have peace with each other when it comes to gender conflicts. 

Even if Black men believe that they tried, obviously, they do not hear the Black women and acknowledge what we are saying about how we have been abandoned and why we feel that Black men have failed us. I believe that both Black men and Black women are showing arrogance and do not want to acknowledge that we have failed for certain reasons. 

 

But when it comes to White men and other kinds of men, I believe what Mel Hopkins once said, if I remember correctly in that she said, when it comes down to it, Men are men. The nature of males are unique IMO, and if another kind of man wants to embrace a Black woman, then he does need to respect her for coming from a unique 'Black' culture and build a relationship from that perspective. 

 

When it comes down to Black men versus other kinds of men, I believe that they will not understand what a Black man has to deal with due to the history made in this world, but that is not the same as bonding with a woman. In fact, if another kind of man does embrace a Black woman, that would actually be a pathway in understanding what Black men have had to endure, especially if they have children from that kind of union. They are really going to find out what it's like. LOL 

 

[Chevdove]

 

On 4/13/2025 at 10:01 AM, Pioneer1 said:

...Especially in....as Mel Hopkins would put it...lol...such a Patriarchal world such as this.

 

There was a story of a bunch of Jews held up in a compound and were surrounded by the Roman military.
Rather than surrender....they killed their women, children and finally themselves before allowing the Romans to lay hands on them because they KNEW what would happen to not only their families but future generations if they were captured.

 

 

I actually do not believe that this is a patriarchal world!

 

I surprised many who believe that it is patriarchal especially because of Trump, but no, I do NOT believe it is at all.

There is a great deception going on, IMO.

I am basing this on Biblical script.

 

White men are NEVER going to ignore their womankind completely, NEVER; they are inherently matriarchal, although I know that most Black people

think otherwise. There is a difference between the Protestant Movement versus the other movements that came out of Europe's religious wars. 

Trump puts on a good act, but he is 'allowed' to be aggressive and macho--to a point. 

 

And I think that you have misunderstood that story about the Jews. 

From what I vaguely remember, it was the women who had also participated in a mass suicide. 

I think that you are referring to Masada. 

 

 

[ProfD]

17 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Men are men. The nature of males are unique IMO, and if another kind of man wants to embrace a Black woman, then he does need to respect her for coming from a unique 'Black' culture and build a relationship from that perspective. 

 

In fact, if another kind of man does embrace a Black woman, that would actually be a pathway in understanding what Black men have had to endure...

Not going to happen. 

 

Other men come from a culture where they are going to see her as a woman and treat her accordingly.

 

The funny part is most Black women will act differently towards a non-Black man.  Not because that man did anything special to deserve it. 

 

Black men will have a tougher row to hoe especially with our women as long as the system of racism white supremacy exists.

[Chevdove]

19 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Not going to happen. 

 

Other men come from a culture where they are going to see her as a woman and treat her accordingly.

 

Really!? LOL 

 

Have you ever heard of the saying that when you marry the woman, you marry her culture?

 

I think it will be a challenge, you know, interracial unions, especially here in America.

 

22 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

 

The funny part is most Black women will act differently towards a non-Black man.  Not because that man did anything special to deserve it. 

 

I understand what you are saying, but not me. 

This is a serious contention in my family circle, and I do believe that I would respond as you have said, however, when Black Americans have had the 

misfortune of being hurt at an early time in their lives due to racism, some of us continue to feel that pain continually, while other don't.

I think that many Black women in my family circle have an obsession over White men because of various factors and not just one factor and because I am

a Black woman, I understand that, but still, I know that I am rare. I believe that i am an humanitarian and can see and appreciate the beauty in all humanity. As a female, I see beautiful men in every walk of life. But I know what my husband has endured as a Black man, and it is insane. I believe that a difference should be made when it comes to Black men in what they have had to endure on this earth as oppose to other kinds of men. All people have a history of human suffering though. 

 

I've been severely persecuted because I do not agree with this kind of obsession that the Black women in my family have shown, but I am persecuted for my beliefs, but not only from the Black women in my family but Black men too. Black men can be sneaky, and very deceptive in their obsessions too, and want to attack Black women. The games we play. 

 

So, I know what you are talking about, however, I do understand. Ultimately, it's a choice that Black

people need to make on their own and one major aspect is accepting the reality that White racism is a reality. We should not be angry at innocent White people for the crimes of the past, however, it is not their behavior 'in a Black environment' that feeds this societal ill, but it is how we respond that makes the difference.

 

If a White person enters into our environment, Black people that are obsessed with White Supremacy react. So it's not the White person, but it's how we react at times, that causes the racial contention.  

 

[ProfD]

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Have you ever heard of the saying that when you marry the woman, you marry her culture?

That's not what I see from white men.  The POTUS and VP are married to foreign women.  I don't see them treating their wives special or differently.

 

It's funny that nobody ever calls POTUS on the fact that his mal-order wife is hardly ever around.  Whenever they are in public together, FLOTUS has a fake smile and looks disgusted. 

 

The VP's wife looks like a hostage by his side.  She should blink if she wants to be rescued from that redneck.  

 

Yet, to this day, folks are obsessed with whether or not former POTUS Obama and his wife Michelle are separating or divorcing.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I think it will be a challenge, you know, interracial unions, especially here in America.

I believe folks who choose to go into interracial unions already know what they have to face from society.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

...when Black Americans have had the misfortune of being hurt at an early time in their lives due to racism, some of us continue to feel that pain continually, while other don't.

People who suffer any form of PTSD should seek counseling to get help.  Broken people should not enter into relationships until they are healed.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I believe that i am an humanitarian and can see and appreciate the beauty in all humanity.

Sure, as human beings we should appreciate the beauty of our species.  However, we should never be naive or blind to the reality when it comes to our real or perceived *differences*.  It's OK to be different.  Just keep it real.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I believe that a difference should be made when it comes to Black men in what they have had to endure on this earth as oppose to other kinds of men.

A man deserves no pity or sympathy for a condition that he can change.  Black men have to break the chains that bound them.  It isn't the responsibility of anyone else.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

All people have a history of human suffering though. 

Right.  They have to fix it.  The Jews bounced back from the Holocaust.

 

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Black men can be sneaky, and very deceptive in their obsessions too, and want to attack Black women. The games we play. 

Black folks do not have a monopoly on playing games.  It is a part of human nature. 

 

Just watch any episode of Dateline, 48 Hours, I Almost Got Away with It, American Greed, etc.

 

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Ultimately, it's a choice that Black people need to make on their own and one major aspect is accepting the reality that White racism is a reality.

The real question is knowing that racism white supremacy exists, what are Black folks going to do about it.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

We should not be angry at innocent White people for the crimes of the past,

Anger is an emotion.  Black folks don't need to be emotional about it.  We need to do something about it.

 

There's no such thing as innocent white folks as long as the system of racism white supremacy exists.  White folks have privilege and  benefits as a result of it. 

 

The best thing white folks can do is 1) acknowledge that racism white supremacy exists and 2) eliminate it.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

however, it is not their behavior 'in a Black environment' that feeds this societal ill, but it is how we respond that makes the difference.

White folks created the dysfunctional environments in which Black folks exist.  They expect the prisoners of racism white supremacy to find their own escape. 

 

In the meantime, white folks dump drugs and alcohol in Black communities to anesthetize the people and hope they destroy themselves.

 

39 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

 

If a White person enters into our environment, Black people that are obsessed with White Supremacy react. So it's not the White person, but it's how we react at times, that causes the racial contention.  

As Malcolm X warned us, be very wary of white folks and foreigners showing up outside their environment. 

 

Question their business and/or purpose in dealing with us.  Surely, it is not for enrichment and/or empowerment.

 

Black folks have work to do but it is not about emotion and moreso about action.

[Chevdove]

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

That's not what I see from white men.  The POTUS and VP are married to foreign women.  I don't see them treating their wives special or differently.

 

It's funny that nobody ever calls POTUS on the fact that his mal-order wife is hardly ever around.  Whenever they are in public together, FLOTUS has a fake smile and looks disgusted. 

 

The VP's wife looks like a hostage by his side.  She should blink if she wants to be rescued from that redneck.  

 

Yet, to this day, folks are obsessed with whether or not former POTUS Obama and his wife Michelle are separating or divorcing.

 

I wouldn't know what to say about this as I do not follow them.

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

believe folks who choose to go into interracial unions already know what they have to face from society.

 

In general, women marry up, so therefore no, I don't think that women see the big picture right away

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

People who suffer any form of PTSD should seek counseling to get help.  Broken people should not enter into relationships until they are healed.

 

Wow, that would be a lot of Black Americans IMO. 

 

 

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

A man deserves no pity or sympathy for a condition that he can change.  Black men have to break the chains that bound them.  It isn't the responsibility of anyone else.

 

I agree partially. I think that we are all a part of the whole, therefore, part of healing should come the others as well. 

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

Black folks do not have a monopoly on playing games.  It is a part of human nature. 

 

Oh no, I have to disagree, alittle here, I think that Black people have a unique problem when it comes to how we deal with racism and Colorism. 

Some of it is human nature, but some of it is culturally and historically based. 

Historically, some Black people can insult  each other and disrespect each other on a whole nother level, IMO.

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

White folks created the dysfunctional environments in which Black folks exist.  They expect the prisoners of racism white supremacy to find their own escape. 

 

In the meantime, white folks dump drugs and alcohol in Black communities to anesthetize the people and hope they destroy themselves.

 

I agree partially, because here, you seem to be contradicting yourself in your previous statements in that Black men are responsible for fixing their own problems. 

Again, I believe that Black folks have to be accountable for the part we played too in the set up of White Domination. 

Just as you mentioned about how Black women react to white men differently than Black men, in your assessment. 

We should not expect a White person to stop that kind of behavior. 

[ProfD]

55 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Oh no, I have to disagree, alittle here, I think that Black people have a unique problem when it comes to how we deal with racism and Colorism. 

Didn't realize you were referring to colorism too. We can nip that in the bud by slapping folks silly.

 

57 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I agree partially, because here, you seem to be contradicting yourself in your previous statements in that Black men are responsible for fixing their own problems. 

Black men can stop drugs and alcohol from being dumped into their communities.  They can also stop using and selling drugs and becoming alcoholics too. 

 

The Nation of Islam cleaned up a whole lot of Black men. We know that it's not impossible for Black men to do better.

 

When a Black man is on point, the community will follow his lead.

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

Yes, I believe that Black people have been exploited at unawares, however, I also believe that most of us do NOT accept accountability for negatives actions as well. 

 

Ofcourse not, "children" rarely accept personal responsibility.
And as Neely Fuller Jr. has pointed out, most of our people have a CHILD like mentality.

The fact that so many of our people don't have any better sense THAN to argue with eachother in public...something most adults learn not to do early on...is a sign of a child's mentality.


 

I have not visited that thread yet but I do believe that African people have been encouraged to be divided and this could be both a good thing or bad depending.

 

Well, DELINIATING (distinguishing your identity separately from another) yourself to celebrate the culture and uniqueness of your particular ethnic group is usually a good thing.
...as long as you're doing it YOURSELF.

But if SOMEBODY ELSE from the outside is doing the dividing, it's rarely a good thing.
It's usually a case of DIVIDE to CONQUER.



 

Even if Black men believe that they tried, obviously, they do not hear the Black women and acknowledge what we are saying about how we have been abandoned and why we feel that Black men have failed us. I believe that both Black men and Black women are showing arrogance and do not want to acknowledge that we have failed for certain reasons. 
 

It's that child like immature mentality where nobody wants to accept blame or any role THEY may have played in the dysfunction.

 

But when it comes to White men and other kinds of men, I believe what Mel Hopkins once said, if I remember correctly in that she said, when it comes down to it, Men are men. The nature of males are unique IMO, and if another kind of man wants to embrace a Black woman, then he does need to respect her for coming from a unique 'Black' culture and build a relationship from that perspective. 
 

A lot of White men seek Black women....not out of love...but strictly for the CHALLENGE.
They want to break the stereotype or belief that they are too "soft" or not strong enough to handle a Black woman...so one of their greatest desires is to get a Black woman to love them and see them in a sexual light.

Another goal of a lot of White men in pursuing Black women is to rub it in the face of Black men as if to say "I got your bitch".

I remember one White man at my old job who knew how I felt about White men being with Black women and would make a point of it to find one who liked him and smooch all over her in front of me while staring at me and smiling.
I don't know of any Black man who does that with a White woman.
Even if they're in love...they don't go out of their way to smooch eachother in front of White men JUST to piss them off.

 

When it comes down to Black men versus other kinds of men, I believe that they will not understand what a Black man has to deal with due to the history made in this world, but that is not the same as bonding with a woman. In fact, if another kind of man does embrace a Black woman, that would actually be a pathway in understanding what Black men have had to endure, especially if they have children from that kind of union
 

Uhhh...so exactly WHAT are you trying to say Chevdove??? 

Trump puts on a good act, but he is 'allowed' to be aggressive and macho--to a point. 
 

Ofcourse.
Everything he's doing....he's being ALLOWED to do so.
 

He's the catharsis for a lot of White men who want to talk and move the way HE is but they're afraid to or not in a position to.
So they support him and encourage him to break rules, break the law, promote open bigotry and brag about firing people.
That's what THEY want to do and USED to do before so many Civil Rights laws were put in place to curtail their ruthlessness.



 

I think that many Black women in my family circle have an obsession over White men because of various factors and not just one factor 

I'm curious.
Obsessed, how?
Obsessed with them sexually, or do they see them as angelic or something?
 

I know you said family but are these Black American women, btw????

 

ProfD

The funny part is most Black women will act differently towards a non-Black man.  Not because that man did anything special to deserve it. 
 

I've noticed this myself for years.
A lot of Black women who act tough and ghetto and hard around Black men will all of a sudden become all dainty and smiles with White men.
And he doesn't have to be a rich or handsome White man.
Some fat sloppy slow acting White man is enough to make them change their entire attitude.

As quiet as a church mouse around you with little eye contact.
But as soon as that goofy sloppy White man comes around she can't stop grinning and running her mouth and telling all of her personal business....even when his body language shows he's clearly not interested in hearing it, lol.

Look how the rapper Eve switched her style up after meeting and marrying a White man.



 

Chev and ProfD
 

I call it the "White Jesus" affect.

 

 

 

 

When a child grows up looking at images of a White Jesus with his hands outstretched and healing all your wounds....that has a profound subconscious psychological effect on them and how they view White people for the rest of their lives.

Every White man they see....they subconsciously see that man as "Jesus" or their savior UNLESS that spell is broken.

[Chevdove]

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Didn't realize you were referring to colorism too. We can nip that in the bud by slapping folks silly.

 

Ok, I've had my burst of laughter for today.

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

The Nation of Islam cleaned up a whole lot of Black men. We know that it's not impossible for Black men to do better.

 

When a Black man is on point, the community will follow his lead.

 

Yes they did! 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of White men seek Black women....not out of love...but strictly for the CHALLENGE.
They want to break the stereotype or belief that they are too "soft" or not strong enough to handle a Black woman...so one of their greatest desires is to get a Black woman to love them and see them in a sexual light.

Another goal of a lot of White men in pursuing Black women is to rub it in the face of Black men as if to say "I got your bitch".

I remember one White man at my old job who knew how I felt about White men being with Black women and would make a point of it to find one who liked him and smooch all over her in front of me while staring at me and smiling.
I don't know of any Black man who does that with a White woman.
Even if they're in love...they don't go out of their way to smooch eachother in front of White men JUST to piss them off.

 

 

Yes, I know about this first hand. 

Because of White Domination though, this issue always surfaces, but men of all 'races' compete against each other over females on all levels, IMO.

My experience with this conflict when I was a young girl in high school and college, as it always came up(!) was that the White guy would come onto me just because he was attracted to me but then when Black guys came around and started showing interest, their was a absolute shift in the competition. 

In one sense, it was a normal male competition but I came to always realize that a racial tension would always surface, so when I recognized this, I would

completely withdraw. Men will fight abruptly and with no warning! More importantly though, every time this came up, I could see the tension and frustration all over the faces of the Black guys, and that just hurt me really bad in the pit of my stomach. 

 

But I do completely disagree though that all White men do that kind of competition. 

I strongly believe that in the male world, their will always be other kinds of men and White men too, that love Black women genuinely and appreciate them

for their whole presence, and it is easy for me to see it because I'm older now and know what to look for.

When White men genuinely love Black women, they will seek to be friends with Black males. This is the key. They are not being racist or trying to mock, but

they want to embrace the Black culture. 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Uhhh...so exactly WHAT are you trying to say Chevdove??? 

 

If they have sons, their sons are going to be 'black'-Biracial, but still, they will learn first hand to a certain degree what Black endure through their sons.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm curious.
Obsessed, how?
Obsessed with them sexually, or do they see them as angelic or something?
 

Are these Black American women, btw????

 

All of the above. 

Yes, they are AFrican American. 

[ProfD]

54 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

...men of all 'races' compete against each other over females on all levels, IMO.

Any man competing for women isn't an alpha-male. Especially if he's fighting another man to get a woman's attention. That dude is something else (beta, delta or gamma).

 

Alpha-males attract women naturally. They do not have to compete with other men for attention.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Alpha-males attract women naturally. They do not have to compete with other men for attention.

Lol......
What if he's an UGLY Alpha?

[Chevdove]

No way!

I do not believe that.

You are not a female, so I don't think you realize from this perspective. 

I can just give you one example right off the top;

 

Many times there are men who are married to his wife, and he will be abruptly faced with another male that is coming onto his wife and she may 

not be able to deflect right away. And this kind of conflict can come up in any environment, whereby that other male may be in a work environment, or a public 

place. And the husband may be an alpha male type. 

His wife may or may not be dealing with inner conflicts, say, her husband disrespected her and he was wrong...

 

eh--

 

What is the husband going to do!?

 

He can NOT compete or he can make peace with his wife, if she is NOT too hurt and she will not escalate it by her actions, no matter, that alpha husband will 

be in a conflict. period.

 

Alpha males can find themselves in a position where they may choose to compete all of the time.

 

Just because a male is confident and alpha does not mean that he does not find himself in a position whereby he views the female of worthy to compete for her.

[Pioneer1]

17 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

 

Many times there are men who are married to his wife, and he will be abruptly faced with another male that is coming onto his wife and she may 

not be able to deflect right away.

 

 

                                                              

 

 

 

-What the HECK you mean -she may not be able to "deflect it right away"?????

LOL...I'm not sure I understand THAT one Chev.

If a man is coming on to a married woman and she doesn't "deflect" it....right away....well then....what happens next????  

And what do you mean if she doesn't do it "right away"???

So, how long does she wait BEFORE she puts up her hands and "deflects" his advances????  AFTER they've had sex a few times????

I'm asking for a friend who really wants to know these things....lol.

[ProfD]

43 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

What if he's an UGLY Alpha?

Looks do not matter when a man is an alpha. Everything else makes him attractive to women.

 

When you see an ugly dude with a dime piece throwing herself all over him...he's most likely an alpha.

 

37 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Many times there are men who are married to his wife, and he will be abruptly faced with another male that is coming onto his wife and she may 

not be able to deflect right away. And this kind of conflict can come up in any environment, whereby that other male may be in a work environment, or a public place. And the husband may be an alpha male type. 

An alpha-male doesn't have to fight another dude because his wife will handle that situation before it gets out of hand.

 

37 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

He can NOT compete or he can make peace with his wife, if she is NOT too hurt and she will not escalate it by her actions, no matter, that alpha husband will be in a conflict. period.

Nope. An alpha-male doesn't operate on emotions.

 

37 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Alpha males can find themselves in a position where they may choose to compete all of the time.

They don't. An alpha-male has far too many choices than having to compete over one.

37 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Just because a male is confident and alpha does not mean that he does not find himself in a position whereby he views the female of worthy to compete for her.

Confidence isn't the sole trait of an alpha-male.

 

There's no female on the planet worthy of competing in the mind of an alpha-male. Again, he has many choices.

[Pioneer1]

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

Looks do not matter when a man is an alpha. Everything else makes him attractive to women.

 

When you see an ugly dude with a dime piece throwing herself all over him...he's most likely an alpha.

It depends on the woman and society.

In most societies, a man's looks don't count because women are looking for more important traits like money and strength and somebody to support her and her children.
In THIS society looks often matter more because a lot of younger women don't need a man to take care of them because they make their own money.
So they can focus less on finding an alpha man who is running things and focus more on having "fun" and going after who they REALLY want which a man who looks good to them and/or is good at sex.




Chev
 

10 hours ago, Chevdove said:

All of the above. 

Yes, they are AFrican American. 

And another question.......

Are all or most of these women UNDER the age of 40?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In THIS society looks often matter more because a lot of younger women don't need a man to take care of them because they make their own money.
So they can focus less on finding an alpha man who is running things and focus more on having "fun" and going after who they REALLY want which a man who looks good to them and/or is good at sex.

Sure.

 

Women have to play with lesser men for *fun* mainly because alphas are 1) harder to find and 2)  not going to put up with the emotional sh8t women bring.

 

Money doesn't make women in the way that it does for men. So, no matter how much money a woman has, it doesn't change her fundamental needs, wants and desires in a man.

 

Women would prefer a high value man. Many of them are not qualified to have him for one reason or another. Those women are better off with lesser men.

 

The funny part is women will cheat on their lesser dude with an alpha for FREE.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Women would prefer a high value man. 

 

Actually, exactly who is a "high value" sexually speaking varies from woman to woman because it depends on what SHE values more than what WE think women should be valuing.

 

We think a "high value" man is a man who is wealthy, intelligent, dominant, confident, brave, a general go-getter.

That's what WE as men think describes a high value man.

 

But SOME women will see a man with a low wage job and average to below IQ but with a 9 inch dick that stays hard all night and who knows what he's doing in bed -as a HIGH VALUE man, lol.

 

Other women will see a broke, dumb ass nigga who knows how to fight and will get in ANYBODY'S face including the police over disrespecting him or anybody he's cool with (including her) as a high value man because of his courage and toughness.

 

What WE as men place value on or THINK should be valuable doesn't always line up with what a lot of women place value on.

[ProfD]

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Actually, exactly who is a "high value" sexually speaking varies from woman to woman because it depends on what SHE values more than what WE think women should be valuing.

S8x is a recurring theme in your posts. 

 

Most women do not place as much weight and emphasis on bumping and grinding as some men do.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

We think a "high value" man is a man who is wealthy, intelligent, dominant, confident, brave, a general go-getter.

That's what WE as men think describes a high value man.

Women think the same thing of a man as described above whether he's a world leader, CEO, worker, bad boy or gangster. They still would prefer to have those traits in him.  

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But SOME women will see a man with a low wage job and average to below IQ but with a 9 inch dick that stays hard all night and who knows what he's doing in bed -as a HIGH VALUE man, lol.

A women doesn't see that man as a high value.  He is one step above a s8x toy.  He's a play-thing.  She's not going to want to marry or build a life with that man.  He's temporary.

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Other women will see a broke, dumb ass nigga who knows how to fight and will get in ANYBODY'S face including the police over disrespecting him or anybody he's cool with (including her) as a high value man because of his courage and toughness.

Those are women for the streets.  They aren't high value themselves.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

What WE as men place value on or THINK should be valuable doesn't always line up with what a lot of women place value on.

Not always.  But, talk to a bunch of women.  Ask what they want/value in a man.  Wait for the answer(s).  Don't interrupt.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

S8x is a recurring theme in your posts. 

 

There's a reason for this...lol.

 

 

Most women do not place as much weight and emphasis on bumping and grinding as some men do.

 

True.
That's because they don't have the testosterone rate that we have.
Testosterone largely governs sex drive in both men and women.

 

 

A women doesn't see that man as a high value.  He is one step above a s8x toy.  He's a play-thing.  She's not going to want to marry or build a life with that man.  He's temporary.

 

But she still values him...highly.

 

Value isn't about substance so much as it's about perspective.

 

A child values delicious candy MORE than a diamond ring.

To them...CANDY is high value, not jewelry.

 

 

 

 

Those are women for the streets.  They aren't high value themselves.

 

I have an uncle who would beg to differ with you that HIS women he used to have on the streets weren't high value...lol.

 

 

 

"Nicca I don't know WHAT you talkin' bout.
I gots some high value hoez as cleeeeeean as Skeeta'z peeta back at the spot!"


 

Not always.  But, talk to a bunch of women.  Ask what they want/value in a man.  

 

Well now you know most women aren't going to initially say what they REALLY want in a man anyway.

How many women...even if that's what she really wants... will admit that ALL she wants is a man with a big %#@&$ who can grab her by the neck and just %&$(#! and then flip her around and %$#@(^*$ right in her $%#@%. THEN turn around and do it in her @#$@!%* !!!
....atleast twice in one night?

It may be the very thing she wants the most but the LAST thing she'd admit to wanting...lol.
 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

S8x is a recurring theme in your posts. 

 

There's a reason for this...lol.

Maybe so. But, that energy is put to better use making money.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's because they don't have the testosterone rate that we have.

Testosterone largely governs sex drive in both men and women.

A well disciplined man knows how to use his testosterone efficiently. 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A women doesn't see that man as a high value.  He is one step above a s8x toy.  He's a play-thing.  She's not going to want to marry or build a life with that man.  He's temporary.

 

But she still values him...highly.

Not really. He's easily replaceable. Especially when a man with more money shows up.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Value isn't about substance so much as it's about perspective.

Value is substantive when it comes down to money. Fun and games don't count.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A child values delicious candy MORE than a diamond ring.

To them...CANDY is high value, not jewelry.

A child doesn't know any better.

 

An adult should know the difference between bubblegum and BS.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How many women...even if that's what she really wants... will admit that ALL she wants is a man with a big %#@&$ who can grab her by the neck and just %&$(#! and then flip her around and %$#@(^*$ right in her $%#@%. THEN turn around and do it in her @#$@!%* !!!
....atleast twice in one night?

Women for the streets are fine with getting their backs blown out up to a certain point.

 

A quality woman wants more than a grave-digger.

 

When a woman wants real life sh8t...house, clothes, shoes, handbags, jewelry, transportation, vacations, etc., they're going to look for a man who can sling money and drop the hammer.

[Chevdove]

On 4/15/2025 at 9:00 PM, ProfD said:

An alpha-male doesn't have to fight another dude because his wife will handle that situation before it gets out of hand.

 

Lol. Men fight. 

On 4/15/2025 at 9:00 PM, ProfD said:

Nope. An alpha-male doesn't operate on emotions.

 

You've gotta be kidding.

On 4/15/2025 at 9:00 PM, ProfD said:

They don't. An alpha-male has far too many choices than having to compete over one.

 

Lol. You've gotta be kidding. It doesn't seem like you've been in a strong relationship whereby the female is confident.

There's not an alpha man on this planet that does not know the history of how a woman can take a man down to the ground. 

 

On 4/15/2025 at 9:00 PM, ProfD said:

Confidence isn't the sole trait of an alpha-male.

 

There's no female on the planet worthy of competing in the mind of an alpha-male. Again, he has many choices.

 

I've gotten a completely different response from a male about this same subject.

Albeit, I haven't given it much thought though.

 

I was told that an alpha male would never be attracted to a woman that pursues him.

I was told that an alpha male goes after the woman and would be turned off if a woman pursues.

I was told by a male, that an alpha male desires to have a certain type of female that he wants to fight for and not 'an easy' access.

 

I think you are confusing 'an arrogant male' versus a confident male. 

An alpha male, IMO, is not one that is confident because he can attract many women and does not view that as being alpha.

A confident woman would never want an arrogant male.

 

 

 

 

23 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And another question.......

Are all or most of these women UNDER the age of 40?

 

All age ranges. 

On 4/15/2025 at 8:29 PM, Pioneer1 said:

So, how long does she wait BEFORE she puts up her hands and "deflects" his advances????  AFTER they've had sex a few times????

 

What!?

I'm not referring to something that extreme. That is way off. Criminal.

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Lol. Men fight. 

Sure. Men go to war. They fight and kill each other.

 

But,  an alpha-male doesn't fight over women. Beta, delta and gamma males do.

 

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Lol. You've gotta be kidding. It doesn't seem like you've been in a strong relationship whereby the female is confident.

Being an alpha-male has nothing to do with the confidence of women.

 

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

There's not an alpha man on this planet that does not know the history of how a woman can take a man down to the ground. 

I'm not sure of how that's relevant to the definition of an alpha-male. 

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I was told that an alpha male would never be attracted to a woman that pursues him.

I was told that an alpha male goes after the woman and would be turned off if a woman pursues.

I was told by a male, that an alpha male desires to have a certain type of female that he wants to fight for and not 'an easy' access.

 

I think you are confusing 'an arrogant male' versus a confident male. 

Arrogance is often misapplied to confidence.

 

There's a difference between a man telling folks he's a boss (arrogant) versus having them see and respect it for themselves without him saying a word (confident).

 

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

An alpha male, IMO, is not one that is confident because he can attract many women and does not view that as being alpha.

Attracting women is a natural thing for alphas. They have no reason to be confident, arrogant or cocky about it.

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

A confident woman would never want an arrogant male.

Nobody really wants to be around an arrogant person. 

 

Being an alpha-male isn't a negative. It merely reflects how he deals with other people and how they interact with him.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Maybe so. But, that energy is put to better use making money

 

Some things are worth MORE than money.

Self respect and the future of our Race and specifically our ethnic group is worth more than dead presidents, lol.
Infact, some would argue that it's priceless.

 

If there is a plot or conspiracy to turn our own women against us through subliminal messaging to the point that they'd rather "turn" Lesbian or willingly enslave themselves to a White man RATHER than be with another AfroAmerican man -we need to know this.

Something is definitely "off" with what I'm seeing with a lot of young AfroAmerican men and women.

 

 

 

A well disciplined man knows how to use his testosterone efficiently. 

 

Facts.
Most men aren't well disciplined.
They haven't been taught or trained in that art.

 

 

 

 

Not really. He's easily replaceable. Especially when a man with more money shows up.

 

You'd be surprised at how many men CAN'T keep a hard dick and fuck all night...lol.
They can TALK that talk in the clubs or in her DM's but when "crunch time" comes and it's time for some action....I'm almost sure most men aren't putting it down the way they sold it.

But if she finds one who can talk shit AND back it up, she's found a "high value" man in HER eyes...lol.

 

 

Value is substantive when it comes down to money. Fun and games don't count.

 

Fun and the ability to make a person happy is VERY valuable, especially if they're going through a lot of trauma.

A lot of women who are married to or atleast in relationships with rich business men have "boy toys" on the side not because of the sex but because she can talk to him and he can make her laugh and "gets" her despite not being business savvy or wealthy.

You can't always put a price tag on happiness.

 

 

 

 

Women for the streets are fine with getting their backs blown out up to a certain point.

 

Facts.

 

 

A quality woman wants more than a grave-digger.

 

Lol....
What about a nappy-dug-out digger???

 

 

 

When a woman wants real life sh8t...house, clothes, shoes, handbags, jewelry, transportation, vacations, etc., they're going to look for a man who can sling money and drop the hammer.

This is true, however many women will still seek and be weak for a broke-ass "side piece" who knows how to talk to her, lay it down right in bed, and make her happy about life in general.

Some women are smart enough to juggle BOTH.
And a REALLY smart woman will make her "side piece" a friend of the family's to the point that her husband would never even SUSPECT their relationship!

Some women will even try to make her "side piece" her husband's FRIEND.

 

I knew a woman who her and her husband had a house and I guess they got a little financially strapped and she convinced him that since they had an extra room they should take on a border.
Even got him to put an add in Craig's List...lol.

 

And GUESS who was one of the first people to answer the add and get into contact with them!

 

Yes.......he moved in.

I'm not sure if the husband ever found out because me and her parted ways 6 or 7 months after that but.....man, oh, man...lol.
These were White people, btw....




Chev and ProfD

Seems to me that the difference between Confidence and Arrogance is based on OPINION.

If you think the person DESERVES to feel good and talk good about themselves....you see it as confidence.
If you think they DON'T DESERVE to feel good about their achievements or talk good about themselves....you see it as bragging and arrogance.

A lot of Black men are accused of Arrogance.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some things are worth MORE than money.

Sure. S8x is not one of those things. Plenty money can provide unlimited access to it though.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Something is definitely "off" with what I'm seeing with a lot of young AfroAmerican men and women.

Every generation sees something off or wrong with those coming up behind them. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most men aren't well disciplined.

They haven't been taught or trained in that art.

Most humans have to be trained in discipline.

 

That's why the military puts recruits  through boot camp. Tear down and build up.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You'd be surprised at how many men CAN'T keep a hard dick and fuck all night...lol.

Mainly because it's not the most important in the grand scheme of things.

 

Again, that all night energy would be put to better use making money. 

 

The man who figures it out fairly quickly that being on his grind and purpose will enrich his life and he will be in a better position to enjoy the fruits of it.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But if she finds one who can talk shit AND back it up, she's found a "high value" man in HER eyes...lol.

A woman who places high value on s8x is for the streets. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Fun and the ability to make a person happy is VERY valuable, especially if they're going through a lot of trauma.

Temporary escape. Drugs and alcohol do the same thing.

 

When the fun is done their problems remain. Solving them would be more valuable. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of women who are married to or atleast in relationships with rich business men have "boy toys" on the side not because of the sex but because she can talk to him and he can make her laugh and "gets" her despite not being business savvy or wealthy.

Again, it's temporary. Never to develop into anything else.

 

For the parties satisfied with that arrangement...it's all fun and games until somebody gets the short end.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can't always put a price tag on happiness.

Surely, we can put a price tag on unhappiness especially when folks are broke.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A quality woman wants more than a grave-digger.

 

Lol....
What about a nappy-dug-out digger???

Same thing. Grave-digger blows the back out and puts her to sleep.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is true, however many women will still seek and be weak for a broke-ass "side piece" who knows how to talk to her, lay it down right in bed, and make her happy about life in general.

Many women will have to settle for a weak or broke azz dude because high value dudes aren't a dime a dozen. 

 

Beta dudes and simps are abundant like goldfish.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Chev and ProfD

Seems to me that the difference between Confidence and Arrogance is based on OPINION.

Sure. Depends on who's delivering the opinion and their level of self-esteem and security or lack thereof.

 

Otherwise, confidence and arrogance can be clearly defined and separated.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Sure. S8x is not one of those things. Plenty money can provide unlimited access to it though.

 

Money can increase the QUANTITY...I'm not sure if it will increase the QUALITY.

Much of the QUALITY of sex has to do with YOU and your person skills and abilities and physical fitness.
Money can help, but money can't directly buy that.

 

 

 

Every generation sees something off or wrong with those coming up behind them. 

 

Are the older generations wrong, or are they accurately assessing the contemporary situation and dysfunction of the latest generation through the eyes of wisdom and experience?

Each generation THINKS they are smarter and know more than the previous, even when they have accomplished less.

 

There was more Black love and unity between men and women back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s than there is today.
There's GOT to be a reason for that.

 

 

 

 

Most humans have to be trained in discipline.
That's why the military puts recruits  through boot camp. Tear down and build up.

 

Facts

 

 

 

Mainly because it's not the most important in the grand scheme of things.

Again, that all night energy would be put to better use making money. 

I think you may projecting YOUR goals and what YOU think a person's focus should be on some other brothers.

 

For the record, I agree with you that getting rich is more important than wearing down your prostate pursuing marathon sex records...lol.

However I recognize that not every man feels this way.
Some men...they're not very smart or ambitious and the ONLY thing they got going for them is being good in bed.

You can preach to them until veins start popping out of your head and it won't do a bit of good.
Let them do..them.

 

 

 

 
When the fun is done their problems remain. Solving them would be more valuable. 

This is one of the reasons I wasn't a big fan of drugs OR heavy alcohol consumption.
Because if you were doing it because of the "problems" in your life...they generally didn't help.
The problems would remain when you sobered up.

But as I got older I realized that when it comes to fun in general....

Fun provides RELIEF from constant problem.
You need that relief to energize yourself and keep going.

Sex is one of the best physical forms of therapy, as long as it's within reason.

I now see drugs and alcohol is therapeutic for SOME people if it provides temporary relief for a stressful situation.


 

Same thing. Grave-digger blows the back out and puts her to sleep.

Sheeeeyid....
With a name like "grave digger"; that sounds like - Umar Johnson would say -it puts her to sleep:


 

FOR GOOOOOD!!!!
 

...lol.



 

Otherwise, confidence and arrogance can be clearly defined and separated

Would be so kind as to give me YOUR personal/compensatory definition of "arrogant"?

 

Black men.

[ProfD]

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

QUANTITY...I'm not sure if it will increase the QUALITY.

Quality goes both ways relative to the participants. 

 

The same snatch box I consider trash could be solid gold to another dude. 

 

The same dude who was punishing one woman's box might be a lame to another woman.

 

Quality is subjective because there are no  benchmarks.

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Are the older generations wrong, or are they accurately assessing the contemporary situation and dysfunction of the latest generation through the eyes of wisdom and experience?

The Baby Boomers thought Gen-Xers were going to take the world to h8ll in a handbasket. It didn't happen. 

 

Whatever Gen-Xers think of Millennials wont matter either. Rep. Jasmine Crockett and them will be just fine.

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Each generation THINKS they are smarter and know more than the previous, even when they have accomplished less.

Right. Technology doesn't lie. Every generation improves upon it making life a little bit easier than it was for their predecessors. 

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There was more Black love and unity between men and women back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s than there is today.
There's GOT to be a reason for that.

The blessing and curse of Back progress. Folks don't need each other as much ss they disld back in those decades. However, there's no decline in the Black population. It has steadily grown. Folks still bumping and grinding. 

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Mainly because it's not the most important in the grand scheme of things.

Again, that all night energy would be put to better use making money. 

I think you may projecting YOUR goals and what YOU think a person's focus should be on some other brothers.

Definitely not projecting. Just paying it forward for younger dudes who might be reading.

 

Backxl in the day, the OGs taught us that chasing snatch box doesn't make any money. But, chasing money will bring plenty snatch box. I have found it to be true.

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some men...they're not very smart or ambitious and the ONLY thing they got going for them is being good in bed.

It's all good. There's no shortage of women for the streets willing to entertain them too.

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can preach to them until veins start popping out of your head and it won't do a bit of good.
Let them do..them.

Absolutely.  Thd knowledge is free. Their choice in how they choose to apply it.

 

As long as those n8gglets stay in their lanes...it's cool.

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But as I got older I realized that when it comes to fun in general....

Fun provides RELIEF from constant problem.

The late NF Jr. was adamant that Black folks had no business having fun as long as there are problems to solve.

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You need that relief to energize yourself and keep going.

Sex is one of the best physical forms of therapy, as long as it's within reason.

I now see drugs and alcohol is therapeutic for SOME people if it provides temporary relief for a stressful situation.

S8x, drugs and alcohol aren't solving any problems. In fact, those habits seem to cause more problems in one way or another.

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Would be so kind as to give me YOUR personal/compensatory definition of "arrogant"?

My compensatory definition of arrogance is a false sense of superiority using words and/or actions to degrade, demean and/or belittle others. 

 

My compensatory definition of confidence is a strong sense of belief in one's knowledge, skills and abilities to achieve and/or accomplish their goals.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Quality goes both ways relative to the participants. 

The same snatch box I consider trash could be solid gold to another dude. 

 

Facts
Absolutely facts!

 

 

The same dude who was punishing one woman's box might be a lame to another woman.

 

More facts!
 

 

 

Quality is subjective because there are no  benchmarks.

 

And this is MY point, when it comes to who is "high value" and who is not.

 

 

 

The Baby Boomers thought Gen-Xers were going to take the world to h8ll in a handbasket. It didn't happen. 

 

That's probably because most didn't think that.
The chief complaint I heard from most FBA Baby Boomers was that Generation X was fucking up much of what the Baby Boomers (AKA Civil Rights Generation) actually fought and died for.

 

They were fucking it up through drug use, abandoning many of the jobs that they fought hard to get us in to, and chasing interracial sex instead of focusing on building strong Black families.

They didn't send the world to hell but a lot of Gen X'ers fucked up and forfeited much of what the previous generation left them.

 

The Millennials are pretty much lost now.

 

 

 

 

 

Right. Technology doesn't lie. Every generation improves upon it making life a little bit easier than it was for their predecessors. 

 
We talked about that in the other thread.
Besides more access to the Internet and social media, what has actually "improved" tech-wise?
Or rather, what new technology has came up on the scene these last 30 years that has made YOUR life better?


 

The blessing and curse of Back progress. Folks don't need each other as much ss they disld back in those decades. However, there's no decline in the Black population. It has steadily grown. Folks still bumping and grinding. 
 

Let us focus less on Black folks in general (because a lot of Africans feel THEIR lives have improved)  and FBA/AfroAmericans in specific.....
Do you think FBA have made more general progress in the last 30 years?
Do you think FBA...collectively....are better off today than they were 30 or 40 years ago?



 

Definitely not projecting. Just paying it forward for younger dudes who might be reading.
 

Understood.

 
It's all good. There's no shortage of women for the streets willing to entertain them too.
 

Because that's all THOSE WOMEN may have going for them, at that particular time....lol.

The late NF Jr. was adamant that Black folks had no business having fun as long as there are problems to solve.
 

If that were the case, people would have no fun...lol.
I don't remember a time IN THIS WORLD where there were no problems to solve.
 

Neely Fuller Jr. also said that we should make SOLVING PROBLEMS "fun"...lol.
I try to do that myself.

My compensatory definition of arrogance is a false sense of superiority using words and/or actions to degrade, demean and/or belittle others. 

 

My compensatory definition of confidence is a strong sense of belief in one's knowledge, skills and abilities to achieve and/or accomplish their goals
 

OK, thank you.
I think those are good and accurate definitions. 

The reason  that word got my attention is because when I hear the word "arrogant" it's often attached to Black men.

Often times people are accused of being arrogant when they are confident and proud but "society" doesn't feel they should be or DESERVE to have the confidence and pride that they have.

So a lot of it is less about the person with the confidence and more about how society FEELS about that person and how they carry themselves.

In other words, if society approves of you and likes you...your confidence is seen as a positive thing.
But if that same society disapproves of you and teaches that you are subhuman or negative....then your confidence is considered unwarranted and often boastful and arrogant.

Reminds me of something 50 Cent said in one of his songs:

 

"They saying I'm too flashy
They liked me better when I was fucked up and ashy"

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Quality is subjective because there are no  benchmarks.

 

And this is MY point, when it comes to who is "high value" and who is not.

I was referring s8x as there's no benchmark of quality. 

 

Social status can be qualified. Net worth, intelligence, physical appearance, etc.,  can determine one's value.

 

Most women would not consider a broke man high value compared to well off man.

 

Of course, That's has nothing to do what that same woman is willing to settle for depending on her own status.

 

For example, busted chicks wanna get with a Lebron James type dude. Ugly dudes want a dime-piece on their arm. They know better but it doesn't stop them from dreaming and scheming to get there. 

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The chief complaint I heard from most FBA Baby Boomers was that Generation X was fucking up much of what the Baby Boomers (AKA Civil Rights Generation) actually fought and died for.

 

They didn't send the world to hell but a lot of Gen X'ers fucked up and forfeited much of what the previous generation left them.

Gen-Xers have more access to wealth than the previous generation.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Millennials are pretty much lost now.

Some Millennials may appear to be lost but that's only because their Gen-Xer parents or grandparents can afford to take care of them.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Besides more access to the Internet and social media, what has actually "improved" tech-wise?

Or rather, what new technology has came up on the scene these last 30 years that has made YOUR life better?

Bro...there's no shortage of tech from computer hardware and software to other tools and conveniences that has made it easier for me to get things done.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Let us focus less on Black folks in general (because a lot of Africans feel THEIR lives have improved)  and FBA/AfroAmericans in specific.....
Do you think FBA have made more general progress in the last 30 years?
Do you think FBA...collectively....are better off today than they were 30 or 40 years ago?

Yes...FBA/AfroAmericans are better off today than 30-40 years ago.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The late NF Jr. was adamant that Black folks had no business having fun as long as there are problems to solve.
 

If that were the case, people would have no fun...lol.
I don't remember a time IN THIS WORLD where there were no problems to solve.

Right. The thought process is that we should be solving more problems than having a lot of fun.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Neely Fuller Jr. also said that we should make SOLVING PROBLEMS "fun"...lol.
I try to do that myself.

Right. STEM students often considered nerds find ways to make problem solving and projects fun.

 

Same goes for all aspects of life. The main thing is constructive fun.

 

No party & BS leading to arguments and fights type of *fun*.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Often times people are accused of being arrogant when they are confident and proud but "society" doesn't feel they should be or DESERVE to have the confidence and pride that they have.

Right. Most people who are quick to label someone else arrogant have their own insecurities. 

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Reminds me of something 50 Cent said in one of his songs:

"They saying I'm too flashy
They liked me better when I was fucked up and ashy"

Exactly. H8ters especially among Black folks are like crabs in a barrel. They love you right up to realizing you're better off than them.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

I was referring s8x as there's no benchmark of quality. 

Social status can be qualified. Net worth, intelligence, physical appearance, etc.,  can determine one's value.

 

Again, it depends on WHO is doing the estimating.

If you're talking about "society" in general, yes.
If you're talking about a SPECIFIC person; how THEY estimate a man and who THEY see as valuable to THEM may not align with the general social consensus.

 

 

Most women would not consider a broke man high value compared to well off man.

 

I agree.
"Most" is the operative term.

 

 

 

 

Gen-Xers have more access to wealth than the previous generation.

 

Access TO it and actually ACCESSING it are 2 different things that don't always agree with eachother.

 

Do AfroAmerican Xer's have more access TO wealth than their Boomer Parents???

I'm questioning this based on MY personal observations growing up in the Detroit area.

It seems to me that Boomers had stronger families, owned more homes at younger ages, were less incarcerated, were more employed in better jobs...than their Gen X children or Millennials.

They didn't make as much money as many Xer's and Millennials with college education make today.
Even when adjusted for inflation.
However COLLECTIVELY they were more stable and made more money because among the Xers and Millennials today you have a certain PERCENTAGE doing good while a higher PERCENTAGE aren't doing good at all.

 

 

Bro...there's no shortage of tech from computer hardware and software to other tools and conveniences that has made it easier for me to get things done.

 

Ok

 

 

 

 

Yes...FBA/AfroAmericans are better off today than 30-40 years ago.

 

Well, needless to say I disagree with that.
Not based on some sort of study or statistic snatched off of the net (frankster...lol) but based on my personal observations having lived through several generations to make that comparison.

 

 

 

Same goes for all aspects of life. The main thing is constructive fun.

 

Yes sir!

 

 

 

 

Exactly. H8ters especially among Black folks are like crabs in a barrel. They love you right up to realizing you're better off than them.

 

This is the case far too often.
I often look at other groups and how they seem to get along with eachother and wonder how can they?
It seems almost unnatural.

 

How can 6 Mexican families...entire families with 5 or 6 members each...live together in ONE house and get along with eachother?

No shoot outs.
Everybody working.
Nobody screws another person's wife.

Or are these things actually happening but they just IGNORE it and continue to work and support eachother anyway?

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do AfroAmerican Xer's have more access TO wealth than their Boomer Parents???

Absolutely. There are more millionaires and a few billionaires among Gen-Xers than every generation before it combined. 

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes...FBA/AfroAmericans are better off today than 30-40 years ago.

 

Well, needless to say I disagree with that.
Not based on some sort of study or statistic snatched off of the net (frankster...lol) but based on my personal observations having lived through several generations to make that comparison.

You're certainly entitled to your point of view.

 

There are statistics to prove Gen-Xers have been able to accumulate more wealth and live a better life than previous generations. 

 

Surely, family structures and relationships are different now. Folks are more spread out.

 

Over the past 30-40 years, one person can afford to run the whole show i.e. buy a house, vehicle, clothes, shoes, groceries, pay utilities and take vacations.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I often look at other groups and how they seem to get along with eachother and wonder how can they?

It seems almost unnatural.

 

How can 6 Mexican families...entire families with 5 or 6 members each...live together in ONE house and get along with eachother?

No shoot outs.
Everybody working.
Nobody screws another person's wife.

Or are these things actually happening but they just IGNORE it and continue to work and support eachother anyway?

Other groups of people have their own share of dysfunction. It's part of the reason they fled their home countries. 

 

By necessity, people who work for low wages understand the importance of cooperating with others in order to havd a roof overhead, lights on, running water and groceries in the refrigerator.

 

Interestingly, people who have the least materially often seem to have the most *fun* in life.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Absolutely. There are more millionaires and a few billionaires among Gen-Xers than every generation before it combined. 

While that is true, there seems to be a heavy IMBALANCE.
Meaning....

While there are a lot of millionaires and a few billionaires, there are millions of AfroAmericans who are either broke, homeless, locked up, or locked in low wage jobs.

Where as say in the 50s, 60s, and 70s not only did you have the Black professionals....as you have today...but you had a lot more WORKING CLASS Black folks with jobs that allowed them to buy homes, cars, and take care of their families.

 

And even among the POOR Black folks....which you had a lot of...if they weren't on welfare they could get jobs and make ends meet.

In other words, it seems as if the wealth were more evenly spread in the community than today where things tend to be more "extreme" with a large percentage of our people actually in a destitute situation.

 

Just the incarceration rates of AfroAmericans ALONE should signal that our people aren't doing as good today as they were say 50 or 60 years ago.
You didn't have that high of a percentage of AfroAmericans locked up or caught up in the criminal justice system.

 

 

 

 

There are statistics to prove Gen-Xers have been able to accumulate more wealth and live a better life than previous generations. 

 

Ok, now remember I'm focused....not on Generation Xers in general but SPECIFICALLY AfroAmerican Generation Xers.

 

 

 

Surely, family structures and relationships are different now. Folks are more spread out.

 

The family structures seem to be in worse condition than 50 years ago.

 

 

 

 

Over the past 30-40 years, one person can afford to run the whole show i.e. buy a house, vehicle, clothes, shoes, groceries, pay utilities and take vacations.

 

In SOME cases, not most.
If they are talented or degreed....yes.
What percentage of our people fit that description?

Many...yes...but what PERCENTAGE?

 

Perhaps a community where 85% of our people have working class jobs but are able to hold down stable families and household would be better than a community where 25% have talents and degrees that afford them a nice lifestyle but the other 75% are wallowing in dysfunction and destitution.

 

 

 

 

Other groups of people have their own share of dysfunction. It's part of the reason they fled their home countries. 

 

This is true.
Thanks for reminding me because sometimes I focus so much on the problems of our people I ignore the fact that other groups are also dealing with their dysfunctions.

Last week just down the street the police were called to a house where some Latino families were piled up together and a major fight broke out where machetes were apparently used...lol.

 

 

 

Interestingly, people who have the least materially often seem to have the most *fun* in life

 

They say "ignorance" is bliss.

They have fun until the reality of lack and want slap them upside the head.

It's all fun until ICE comes knocking at their door or they come home to find a big ass pad lock on their door and a sign saying they aren't allowed in because their house has been condemned...lol.

Like you said and like Neely Fuller Jr. said, we should be focused on solving our problems more so than having "fun".
However fun and entertainment ARE necessities and DO have their place.....especially as therapy.

[ProfD]

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

While there are a lot of millionaires and a few billionaires, there are millions of AfroAmericans who are either broke, homeless, locked up, or locked in low wage jobs.

Broke, homeless, locked up or locked in low wage jobs stem from poor choices being made whether it's not taking education seriously or believing crime pays.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Where as say in the 50s, 60s, and 70s not only did you have the Black professionals....as you have today...but you had a lot more WORKING CLASS Black folks with jobs that allowed them to buy homes, cars, and take care of their families.

Those FBA/AfroAmericans should have been creating businesses and buildings institutions for future generations to work.

 

As it stands, most FBA/AfroAmericans have to depend white folks for every crumb of their daily bread. That was a failure on our part.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

And even among the POOR Black folks....which you had a lot of...if they weren't on welfare they could get jobs and make ends meet.

Making ends meet will never lead to building wealth.  It insures the continuity of poverty.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

In other words, it seems as if the wealth were more evenly spread in the community than today where things tend to be more "extreme" with a large percentage of our people actually in a destitute situation.

Some FBA/AfroAmericans were similar to Hispanics today. They worked hard to have a little bit. Plenty of fun though.

 

At the same time, white folks destroyed snd  criminalized FBA/AfroAmericans through drugs. They chipped away at the safety nets that allowed folks to live at basic level.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just the incarceration rates of AfroAmericans ALONE should signal that our people aren't doing as good today as they were say 50 or 60 years ago.
You didn't have that high of a percentage of AfroAmericans locked up or caught up in the criminal justice system.

As mentioned above, that's by deisgn. The question is why did FBA/AfroAmericans allow themselves to be disproportionately affected by it.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ok, now remember I'm focused....not on Generation Xers in general but SPECIFICALLY AfroAmerican Generation Xers.

Understood. Statistics show that FBA/AfroAmericans are collectively wealthier and better off than decades ago.

 

It's easy to romanticize the past because 1) there's nothing that can be done to change it and 2) allows folks to do nothing about right and the future. 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The family structures seem to be in worse condition than 50 years ago.

It's relative. Families are smaller too.

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps a community where 85% of our people have working class jobs but are able to hold down stable families and household would be better than a community where 25% have talents and degrees that afford them a nice lifestyle but the other 75% are wallowing in dysfunction and destitution.

I realize you're not a huge fan of researching statistics preferring instead to lean into your own observations. However, the numbers are available.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Thanks for reminding me because sometimes I focus so much on the problems of our people I ignore the fact that other groups are also dealing with their dysfunctions.

It's easy to fall into tunnel vision and not see the bigger picture.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Last week just down the street the police were called to a house where some Latino families were piled up together and a major fight broke out where machetes were apparently used...lol.

Right.

 

The same folks some would consider model citizens i.e. hard working, pull themselves up by the bootstraps, are running around doing dysfunctional sh8t too. They have gangs, drug & alcohol  abuse, s8xual assaults, etc.

 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like you said and like Neely Fuller Jr. said, we should be focused on solving our problems more so than having "fun".

Solve the *problems* you see and can handle. 

18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

However fun and entertainment ARE necessities and DO have their place.....especially as therapy.

Constructive fun is fine when the work is done i.e. problems solved.

 

Spending too much time in therapy won't solve a d8mn thing.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Broke, homeless, locked up or locked in low wage jobs stem from poor choices being made whether it's not taking education seriously or believing crime pays.

 

For the most part, I agree.
However this still supports my assertion that our people today may not be better off...collectively...than they were 50 years ago.

 

 

 

 

Those FBA/AfroAmericans should have been creating businesses and buildings institutions for future generations to work.

As it stands, most FBA/AfroAmericans have to depend white folks for every crumb of their daily bread. That was a failure on our part.

 

Facts

 

 

 Making ends meet will never lead to building wealth.  It insures the continuity of poverty.

 

Perhaps building wealth isn't the goal of a great number of people.
Just making ends meet and enjoying the here and NOW is their main focus.

 

 

 

 

Some FBA/AfroAmericans were similar to Hispanics today. They worked hard to have a little bit. Plenty of fun though.

 

Interesting comparison.

 

 

As mentioned above, that's by deisgn. The question is why did FBA/AfroAmericans allow themselves to be disproportionately affected by it.

 

I've offered a few answers already but you didn't care too much or them, lol.

 

 

 

Understood. Statistics show that FBA/AfroAmericans are collectively wealthier and better off than decades ago.

It's easy to romanticize the past because 1) there's nothing that can be done to change it and 2) allows folks to do nothing about right and the future. 

 

Another reason is when you've LIVED it and SEEN if for yourself, it's hard for you to be fooled or lied to about what really happened by a bunch of numbers on a screen.

 

It's one thing to tell a 25 year old that AfroAmericans are living in the best times since Slavery.
But tell a 70 or 80 year old that, who is STILL collecting pension checks from his factory job that he had for 40 years making the equivalent of $35 an hour plus benefits -that working for near minimum wage at Target...despite his Bachelor Degree....is "better off", lol.

 

 

 

It's relative. Families are smaller too.

 

And in many cases, non existent

 

 

 

 

 

I realize you're not a huge fan of researching statistics preferring instead to lean into your own observations. However, the numbers are available.

 

Great observation...lol.

Depending on who these stats are coming from, I don't trust them.

 

Anybody can put out a bunch of numbers, how do we know they're accurate or even close?

 

For DECADES during election season they've had polls and done stats on the contemporary employment and unemployment rates in the U.S.
But I've NEVER been contacted by Gallop Poll or any other information/statistic gathering  organization either by phone or in person asking me my employment status.
 

Have you?

 

Yet they keep coming out with all these  employment "numbers" and "figures" and "polls" that we're supposed to accept.

 

How can the situation with AfroAmericans be better if MORE of our people are locked up or economically stifled from getting good jobs, loans, and proper housing by their criminal records today than 50 or 60 years ago?
 

How can that be?

Where are all these "Magical Negroes" popping up from, who show up JUST IN TIME for the cameras and statisticians as examples of how successful we are today?

[ProfD]

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Broke, homeless, locked up or locked in low wage jobs stem from poor choices being made whether it's not taking education seriously or believing crime pays.

 

For the most part, I agree.
However this still supports my assertion that our people today may not be better off...collectively...than they were 50 years ago.

It doesn't make your assertion *right* but you're always entitled to your VGQ.

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps building wealth isn't the goal of a great number of people.

Just making ends meet and enjoying the here and NOW is their main focus.

If such is the case and folks are content with the status quo...there's nothing left to discuss. It is what it is..

 

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

As mentioned above, that's by deisgn. The question is why did FBA/AfroAmericans allow themselves to be disproportionately affected by it.

 

I've offered a few answers already but you didn't care too much or them, lol.

Low intelligence isn't the main factor. There's a whole programme at work here.

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Understood. Statistics show that FBA/AfroAmericans are collectively wealthier and better off than decades ago.

It's easy to romanticize the past because 1) there's nothing that can be done to change it and 2) allows folks to do nothing about right and the future. 

 

Another reason is when you've LIVED it and SEEN if for yourself, it's hard for you to be fooled or lied to about what really happened by a bunch of numbers on a screen.

Unless you've lived everywhere and seen everything your personal observation and perspective is limited. If you've talked to other folks, you've collected some empirical data...part of statistics. 

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's one thing to tell a 25 year old that AfroAmericans are living in the best times since Slavery.
But tell a 70 or 80 year old that, who is STILL collecting pension checks from his factory job that he had for 40 years making the equivalent of $35 an hour plus benefits -that working for near minimum wage at Target...despite his Bachelor Degree....is "better off", lol.

Life experience shapes perspective and opinions. 

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Anybody can put out a bunch of numbers, how do we know they're accurate or even close?

Do your own research. 

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

How can the situation with AfroAmericans be better if MORE of our people are locked up or economically stifled from getting good jobs, loans, and proper housing by their criminal records today than 50 or 60 years ago?

For whatever reason you choose to focus on one dataset. Interestingly enough, it doesn't include any numbers in relation to anything else.

 

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Where are all these "Magical Negroes" popping up from, who show up JUST IN TIME for the cameras and statisticians as examples of how successful we are today?

Statisticians conduct polls and studies using a variety of data collection methods. 

 

It's understandable that you not to trust the numbers provided. There's nothing to stop you from verifying or collecting the data. It does exist.

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On 4/17/2025 at 8:41 AM, ProfD said:

But,  an alpha-male doesn't fight over women. Beta, delta and gamma males do.

 

Again, I disagree.

The Biblical David definitely would be a perfect example. He fought over women and he was definitely an alpha male. 

Solomon's mother is one of several that David fought over. 

Alpha males definitely fight over women. 

 

On 4/17/2025 at 8:41 AM, ProfD said:

Being an alpha-male has nothing to do with the confidence of women.

 

I disagree completely. 

And in some regards, this goes back to an alpha male's own upbringing and the kind of women in his early development as well. 

 

On 4/17/2025 at 8:41 AM, ProfD said:

I'm not sure of how that's relevant to the definition of an alpha-male. 

 

Oh my! 

 

On 4/17/2025 at 8:41 AM, ProfD said:

Attracting women is a natural thing for alphas. They have no reason to be confident, arrogant or cocky about it.

 

True. I agree however, an alpha male will still fight over women nonetheless.