ProfD Posted May 30 Report Posted May 30 The books claim dinosaurs roamed the Earth for about 165 millions and went extinct about 66 million years ago. The books claim earliest hominids showed up on the planet about 7 million years ago. The math suggests there is a 59 million year gap between the extinction of dinosaurs and the earliest ancestors of humans. In another thread, brotha @frankster mentioned there could still be dinosaurs among us today. Fossil fuels don't count because they're definitely not the remnants of dinosaurs. I look forward to our brotha frankster and anyone else with the knowledge providing enlightenment on where we might find dinosaurs.
Pioneer1 Posted May 30 Report Posted May 30 The only time I've seen dinosaurs and humans running around together was in a Godzilla movie....lol. 1
Troy Posted May 30 Report Posted May 30 Again, I don’t argue with religious people about their beliefs as it is completely pointless.. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: earliest hominids showed up on the planet about 7 million years ago. you’re giving people a lot of grace with 7 million years those animals were basically monkeys Homo sapien sapiens did not emerge until a couple hundred thousand years ago . 1
frankster Posted May 30 Report Posted May 30 6 hours ago, ProfD said: The books claim dinosaurs roamed the Earth for about 165 millions and went extinct about 66 million years ago. The books claim earliest hominids showed up on the planet about 7 million years ago. The math suggests there is a 59 million year gap between the extinction of dinosaurs and the earliest ancestors of humans. In another thread, brotha @frankster mentioned there could still be dinosaurs among us today. Fossil fuels don't count because they're definitely not the remnants of dinosaurs. I look forward to our brotha frankster and anyone else with the knowledge providing enlightenment on where we might find dinosaurs. I cannot prove that dinosaurs are still around nor Can I tell you where to find a living dinosaur. But I do remember a fish that was said to have gone extinct some 50 million years ago....suddenly showing up in some guys fishing net Then another extinct animal was discovered to be a stable and regular meal for some people in the South East Asia That got me to realize all this stuff about extinct animals is not all that its crack up to be.... First of all Mankind occupies less 1% of the surface land mass of the earth.... The surface land mass takes up approximatly 30% of the earth It is said Mankind has explore almost 85% of the surface land mass of the earth... The oceans make up approximately 70% of the earth....Mankind has explored less than 5% We have not explored or occupied the bowels of the earth or depths of the oceans combined beyond 5%....and that's being extremely magnanimous. Lastly two points.... What is meant by explore....if I get up one morning at daybreak and walk down fifth ave in Manhattan from stem to stern and turn in before night fall i can now claim I have explored manhattan...Of course A professional explore would do a more detail walk and now what to look for. My point is an explorer is going to miss a whole lot of detail Cicadas sleep for 7yrs wake up fcup and go back to sleep I lived in NYC Westchester area for upwards of twenty yrs....My neighbor had a family of wild foxes living under his shed for according to him 5 yrs when he told me about them there was no fence between our homes and i saw his shed every morning evening and night I never once saw them..After he inform me I did begin to see them. Now of course I was not looking for them but if anyone had ask me before that I would have said foxes do not live in my neck of the woods. So because we do not see than....does not mean they are not out there - thats my point
ProfD Posted May 30 Author Report Posted May 30 3 hours ago, Troy said: you’re giving people a lot of grace with 7 million years those animals were basically monkeys Homo sapien sapiens did not emerge until a couple hundred thousand years ago . You're 100% correct. Primates have been monkeying around on the planet a lot longer than us. 1 hour ago, frankster said: It is said Mankind has explore almost 85% of the surface land mass of the earth... The oceans make up approximately 70% of the earth....Mankind has explored less than 5% We have not explored or occupied the bowels of the earth or depths of the oceans combined beyond 5%....and that's being extremely magnanimous. So, if I'm reading correctly, there could be prehistoric creatures running around on the 15% of land mass or living underground or swimming in the 95% of umexplored bowels of earth and its oceans. Interestingly enough, humans do not have the technology to explore the depths of earth any more than we can survive unassisted outside the earth's atmosphere. The Earth is amazing for all that it is and has gone through. A 5 billion year old rock on schedule to survive another 5 billion years. Dinosaurs showed up a couple hundred million years ago and went extinct. Hominids have evolved over millions of years. As @Troy mentioned, homo sapien sapiens are only several hundred thousand years old. There's 8 billion humans running around on the planet in our present form. Even humans will go the way of the dinosaurs and be extinct long before the earth goes cold. Lifeforms only account for a blip of time on this rock we call earth.
umbrarchist Posted May 30 Report Posted May 30 Just posted this on BlueSky a few days ago: Human evolution in Morocco? Biology Africa dating Oldest paleontology
Troy Posted May 30 Report Posted May 30 OK at least @frankster is not arguing that humans lived 65 MYA when the earth would have been largely uninhabitable for human even if we had evolved that early. The discovery or a 50 MYA fish (assuming that is true) is enough to prove to Frankster than dinosaurs could still exist. That is a WHOLE lot harder to accept as proof than the fact that no one has ever seen a dinosaur. His proof that dinosaurs could exist based upon the existence of a fish that survived millions of years ago is weaker than saying cockroaches have been around a lot longer than that fish (and even dinosaurs), so therefore dinosaurs could still exist. We know birds are descendants of dinosaurs. Hopefully that will not be his argument, because we are talking about the existence of the large animals like T-Rex, Brontosaurus, etc.
ProfD Posted May 30 Author Report Posted May 30 5 hours ago, Troy said: We know birds are descendants of dinosaurs. Hopefully that will not be his argument, because we are talking about the existence of the large animals like T-Rex, Brontosaurus, etc. Right. Birds as descendants of theropods is acceptable. Otherwise, I'd certainly like to know if there is a real-life Jurassic Park and where it is located. Mainly so that I can stay the h8ll away from it.
aka Contrarian Posted May 30 Report Posted May 30 Did Fred Flinstone get the memo about humans and dinosaurs not co-existing? We can't even track down and corner Big Foot in order to check him out, much less discover a dinosaur! The Jurassic Park movies are, at least, inspired by a plausible way of recreating dinosaurs through extracting their DNA preserved in prehistoric resin. The guys running the "big show" apparently preferred to scrap their creation and go back to square one because dinos were big cumbersome creatures as opposed to agile apes with an opposing thumb and forefinger and the better potential to walk upright. Lizards surely have to be miniature souvenirs from the time when the T-Rex species roamed the Earth. 2
ProfD Posted May 31 Author Report Posted May 31 3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Did We can't even track down and corner Big Foot in order to check him out, much less discover a dinosaur! Exactly. 3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: The guys running the "big show" apparently preferred to scrap their creation and go back to square one.... Got bored after a couple hundred million years of huge creatures and decided to go small. 3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Lizards surely have to be miniature souvenirs from the time when the T-Rex species roamed the Earth. Yep. Elephants are the modern version of mammoths and mastodons.
Troy Posted May 31 Report Posted May 31 19 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: The Jurassic Park movies are, at least, inspired by a plausible way of recreating dinosaurs through extracting their DNA preserved in prehistoric resin. This is not plausible you are not ġonna find some resin sample with viable DNA older than 65 million years. 15 hours ago, ProfD said: Yep. Elephants are the modern version of mammoths and mastodons. I heard on the radio that they are working on creating a woolly mammoth!
ProfD Posted May 31 Author Report Posted May 31 4 hours ago, Troy said: I heard on the radio that they are working on creating a woolly mammoth! Yep. When they recreated the extinct red wolf, someone had the bright idea that a woolly mammoth should be next. From trying to resurrect extinct animals to AI, humans are cruisiing to FAFO. We're definitely going to be the authors of our own demise as a species.
aka Contrarian Posted May 31 Report Posted May 31 @Troywhen I said "plausible", I meant that, in theory, if scientists attempted to recreate dinosaurs, extracting their DNA from amber resin wouldn't be a far fetched method to use if other conditions were right. That, presumably, was also what those involved in making the Jurassic Park movies thought. I believe scientists also just recently resurrected a dire wolf which was believed to be extinct . (Except in Game of Thrones.) Are dire wolves the same as red wolves?
frankster Posted May 31 Report Posted May 31 On 5/30/2025 at 6:11 AM, ProfD said: So, if I'm reading correctly, there could be prehistoric creatures running around on the 15% of land mass or living underground or swimming in the 95% of umexplored bowels of earth and its oceans. Yes...In light of the coelacanth On 5/30/2025 at 6:11 AM, ProfD said: Interestingly enough, humans do not have the technology to explore the depths of earth any more than we can survive unassisted outside the earth's atmosphere. True...we don't as in current Modern World View But in Many Ancient traditions using a different World View....we do. On 5/30/2025 at 6:11 AM, ProfD said: The Earth is amazing for all that it is and has gone through. A 5 billion year old rock on schedule to survive another 5 billion years. Dinosaurs showed up a couple hundred million years ago and went extinct. Hominids have evolved over millions of years. As @Troy mentioned, homo sapien sapiens are only several hundred thousand years old. There's 8 billion humans running around on the planet in our present form. Even humans will go the way of the dinosaurs and be extinct long before the earth goes cold. Lifeforms only account for a blip of time on this rock we call earth. Yes conventional modern knowledge says that humans are very young....on the evolutionary clock On 5/30/2025 at 10:37 AM, Troy said: OK at least @frankster is not arguing that humans lived 65 MYA when the earth would have been largely uninhabitable for human even if we had evolved that early. I Can't say how long On 5/30/2025 at 10:37 AM, Troy said: The discovery or a 50 MYA fish (assuming that is true) is enough to prove to Frankster than dinosaurs could still exist. That is a WHOLE lot harder to accept as proof than the fact that no one has ever seen a dinosaur. It is True.... The Coelacanth is not proof of dinosaurs....what it is proof of - is that how we arrive at saying something is extinct is flawed. If we know it is flawed....we should then question its other conclusions. Is it possible Dinosaurs could still be here ....I think so - I proffer no prove beyond that which is above. On 5/30/2025 at 10:37 AM, Troy said: His proof that dinosaurs could exist based upon the existence of a fish that survived millions of years ago is weaker than saying cockroaches have been around a lot longer than that fish (and even dinosaurs), so therefore dinosaurs could still exist. The Coelacanth is believe to be hundred of millions of years older than the cockroaches... No one ever claim the cockroaches were ever extinct... Which ever scientific body it is that tells us what is extinct erred....on the fish How then can we be sure....which of its other conclusions - are not also in error. Could they have erred on the dinosaurs? .....if not - Why not? On 5/30/2025 at 10:37 AM, Troy said: We know birds are descendants of dinosaurs. Hopefully that will not be his argument, Well it was going to be....but now that you kabosh that idea.....NO! On 5/30/2025 at 10:37 AM, Troy said: because we are talking about the existence of the large animals like T-Rex, Brontosaurus, etc. How do you prove that something Doesn't or no Longer Exist? On 5/30/2025 at 3:45 PM, ProfD said: Right. Birds as descendants of theropods is acceptable. Didn,t think you would go for that....Ok ok cool - I will take that as a feather in my cap. On 5/30/2025 at 3:45 PM, ProfD said: Otherwise, I'd certainly like to know if there is a real-life Jurassic Park and where it is located. Mainly so that I can stay the h8ll away from it. I thinking how do we know they're not out there??? On 5/30/2025 at 5:34 PM, aka Contrarian said: Did Fred Flinstone get the memo about humans and dinosaurs not co-existing? He certainly did not... My own inspiration from a less entertaining source...but it is entertainment. On 5/30/2025 at 5:34 PM, aka Contrarian said: We can't even track down and corner Big Foot in order to check him out, much less discover a dinosaur! On 5/30/2025 at 5:34 PM, aka Contrarian said: The Jurassic Park movies are, at least, inspired by a plausible way of recreating dinosaurs through extracting their DNA preserved in prehistoric resin. Yes.....Does De-extinction counts A mean if you brought back something......was it truly ever really extinct? Does it not then remain viable (dormant ) in genetic form? On 5/30/2025 at 5:34 PM, aka Contrarian said: The guys running the "big show" apparently preferred to scrap their creation and go back to square one because dinos were big cumbersome creatures as opposed to agile apes with an opposing thumb and forefinger and the better potential to walk upright. Did they? On 5/30/2025 at 5:34 PM, aka Contrarian said: Lizards surely have to be miniature souvenirs from the time when the T-Rex species roamed the Earth. I not sure the consider lizards as part of the Dinos.....but some consider chickens emu and ostriches of the family 22 hours ago, ProfD said: Exactly. Yep....the fish was missing apparently several million yrs? Compared to how long we been looking for Big foot. 22 hours ago, ProfD said: Got bored after a couple hundred million years of huge creatures and decided to go small. Yep. Elephants are the modern version of mammoths and mastodons. Whales are still here.... 6 hours ago, Troy said: This is not plausible you are not ġonna find some resin sample with viable DNA older than 65 million years. Why Not? 6 hours ago, Troy said: I heard on the radio that they are working on creating a woolly mammoth! I read that a biotech company bought back the "Dire Wolf" of Game of Throne fame....not sure how true it is. 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Yep. When they recreated the extinct red wolf, someone had the bright idea that a woolly mammoth should be next. Really link me the red wolf story? 2 hours ago, ProfD said: From trying to resurrect extinct animals to AI, humans are cruisiing to FAFO. We're definitely going to be the authors of our own demise as a species. The Times are perilous 56 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: @Troywhen I said "plausible", I meant that, in theory, if scientists attempted to recreate dinosaurs, extracting their DNA from amber resin wouldn't be a far fetched method to use if other conditions were right. That, presumably, was also what those involved in making the Jurassic Park movies thought. Good point 56 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: I believe scientists also just recently resurrected a dire wolf which was believed to be extinct . (Except in Game of Thrones.) Are dire wolves the same as red wolves? I want to know too
Troy Posted June 1 Report Posted June 1 3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: "plausible", I meant that, in theory, if scientists attempted to recreate dinosaurs, extracting their DNA from amber resin wouldn't be a far fetched method to use I believe I understood what you wrote. Plausible implies within the realm of possibility. It is not possible to extract DNA from anything 65+ million years old -- even the fossils they find of dinosaurs are basically rocks. 2 hours ago, frankster said: Is it possible Dinosaurs could still be here ....I think so - I proffer no prove beyond that which is above. Wow! your standard of "proof" in the case is not even on par with Piooner's proof of the genetic basic for race. The reality is that all the evidence tells us that dinosaurs died more than 65+million years ago. If there were a herd of t-rex running around someone would have noticed it by now. The coelacanth is fascinating.
aka Contrarian Posted June 1 Report Posted June 1 @TroyI am talking about "methodology", not "time-lines". Under ideal conditions, hypothetically speaking, it would be plausible to utilize the preserved DNA of an extinct animal in order to resurrect it. Just because it's not possible to do so with dinosaurs due to the passage of time doesn't mean that that method is not plausible. Plausible also implies not far-fetched.
frankster Posted June 1 Report Posted June 1 12 hours ago, Troy said: I believe I understood what you wrote. Plausible implies within the realm of possibility. It is not possible to extract DNA from anything 65+ million years old -- even the fossils they find of dinosaurs are basically rocks. Science is forever pushing the boundaries of whats possible....who knows what new technology will develop in the near and distant future. 12 hours ago, Troy said: Wow! your standard of "proof" in the case is not even on par with Piooner's proof of the genetic basic for race. Of course it is not on par with his proof.....his proof is based in denial and misunderstanding of the use and context of words. I am not trying to prove anything....I am questioning the methodology use to arrive at the conclusion that something is Extinct. 12 hours ago, Troy said: The reality is that all the evidence tells us that dinosaurs died more than 65+million years ago. If there were a herd of t-rex running around someone would have noticed it by now. According to the same people who say the dinosaurs are extinct....also said the coelacanth was not see for over millions yrs. 12 hours ago, Troy said: The coelacanth is fascinating. Great video....very informative Certainly doesn't look extinct....just dead. 11 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: @TroyI am talking about "methodology", not "time-lines". True true.... 11 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Under ideal conditions, hypothetically speaking, it would be plausible to utilize the preserved DNA of an extinct animal in order to resurrect it. Just because it's not possible to do so with dinosaurs due to the passage of time doesn't mean that that method is not plausible. Here is an idea about those petrified genes over 100 million years old or more Map the gene sequence and form a virtual gene overlay that on a wiped chicken gene leaving only the structural scaffoldings - and viola T Rex de-extinction. 11 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Plausible also implies not far-fetched. They claim to have done so with the "dire wolf".
Pioneer1 Posted June 1 Report Posted June 1 frankster Of course it is not on par with his proof.....his proof is based in denial and misunderstanding of the use and context of words. No, my proof usually consists of direct quotations and providing the links to back up my claims.
ProfD Posted June 2 Author Report Posted June 2 On 5/31/2025 at 7:33 PM, frankster said: The Coelacanth is believe to be hundred of millions of years older.... Which ever scientific body it is that tells us what is extinct erred....on the fish How then can we be sure....which of its other conclusions - are not also in error. Could they have erred on the dinosaurs? .....if not - Why not? Unlike the Coelacanth discovered in the 1930s, nobody has found a living dinosaur yet. Then again, for those who believe in UAP/UFO/ET and whatnot, maybe powerful governments have a Jurassic Park somewhere remote,
frankster Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 8 hours ago, ProfD said: Unlike the Coelacanth discovered in the 1930s, nobody has found a living dinosaur yet. I like the fact that you said "yet"..... 8 hours ago, ProfD said: Then again, for those who believe in UAP/UFO/ET and whatnot, maybe powerful governments have a Jurassic Park somewhere remote, You never know....never say never..
ProfD Posted June 2 Author Report Posted June 2 4 hours ago, frankster said: I like the fact that you said "yet"..... You never know....never say never.. We will never see a living dinosaur or ET in our lifetime. No generation before ours has seen these creatures nor will future generations see them because they don't exist.
frankster Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 3 hours ago, ProfD said: We will never see a living dinosaur or ET in our lifetime. That is to be seen or realized... 3 hours ago, ProfD said: No generation before ours has seen these creatures nor will future generations see them because they don't exist. Here is a engraving over 5000 yrs old with men hold fast to capture creatures resemble dinosuars.. https://historicaleve.com/what-does-the-palette-of-narmer-reveal/
Troy Posted June 3 Report Posted June 3 There are engravings of creatures with the heads of birds in the body of men. That does not mean that those creatures existed. People create images of horses with wings doesn’t mean they’re flying horses as somebody wants to believe something, anything can be twisted into proof… it’s human nature to see what you wanna see even if it flies in the face of science defies logic, or is just dumb. 1
ProfD Posted June 3 Author Report Posted June 3 50 minutes ago, Troy said: it’s human nature to see what you wanna see even if it flies in the face of science defies logic, or is just dumb. Yep. Imagination is a blessing and a curse to humans. That pendulum doesn't just swing from side to side. Moves like a merry-go-round. That's before the consumption of substances.
frankster Posted June 3 Report Posted June 3 8 hours ago, Troy said: There are engravings of creatures with the heads of birds in the body of men. That does not mean that those creatures existed. Yes....but in this case the dinosaurs bones are proof that these creatures existed 8 hours ago, Troy said: People create images of horses with wings doesn’t mean they’re flying horses Chimeras are currently a major ethnically scientific topic...they are real on the level of organs just not as yet as or having appendages.. So we are witnessing the re-emergence. 8 hours ago, Troy said: as somebody wants to believe something, anything can be twisted into proof… I believe because it makes sense......Knowledge Science and Nature knows no bounds 8 hours ago, Troy said: it’s human nature to see what you wanna see even if it flies in the face of science defies logic, or is just dumb. True....that does not always means it is not or was not real? 7 hours ago, ProfD said: Yep. Imagination is a blessing and a curse to humans. That pendulum doesn't just swing from side to side. Moves like a merry-go-round. That's before the consumption of substances. Our imagination is Science and Nature....Limitless What consumption of substance ...... You do not consume herbs? The Natural Herbs is for the healing of the nation
aka Contrarian Posted June 3 Report Posted June 3 I'm a regular viewer of the "Ancient Astronauts" TV series. Its producers really rely on their imagination when analysing and deconstructing all the artifacts from different civilizations that give credence to Earth having once been visited and infuenced by aliens from outer space! I find the case they make very intriguing.
Troy Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: I find the case they make very intriguing. yeah, people who watch those shows would naturally be inclined to find the arguments compelling. if you believe in any existence of alien civilizations, as I do, why wouldn’t they have visited us in the past or when dinosaurs roamed the Earth or last week? I read chariots of the gods a long time ago. Sounds like alien civilization is using the same arguments: there’s a carving that looks like a flying salsa therefore, it must be a flying saucer. I don’t buy into all arguments like that. I just believe giving a time scales and a number of star systems out there. There must’ve been some civilizations with the technology to traverse large distances and make it to earth. I just don’t think we have very much proof of it.
ProfD Posted June 4 Author Report Posted June 4 2 hours ago, Troy said: if you believe in any existence of alien civilizations, as I do, why wouldn’t they have visited us in the past or when dinosaurs roamed the Earth or last week? As you all know by now, my lack of belief in this type of sh8t stems from the fact that none of it has revealed itself to me. Maybe I'm jealous. 2 hours ago, Troy said: I don’t buy into all arguments like that. I just believe giving a time scales and a number of star systems out there. There must’ve been some civilizations with the technology to traverse large distances and make it to earth. I just don’t think we have very much proof of it. So, I guess those civilizations found the Earth uninteresting and decided to stop visiting. Again, i would think that an intelligence capable of building spacecraft and traveling throughout the galaxy; doing drive-bys and donuts on different planets would leave no shortage of proof and evidence of its existence. There would be plenty witnesses too especially in a world with 16 billion eyeballs on the planet. Right now, we have whistleblowers and *experts* in [pick a field of study] who make claims about everything from prehistoric animals to paranormal activities to UAP/UFO/ETs. From a capitalistic perspective, I get it. Anything can be a source of generating money in this country. Look no further than the amount of money being poured into doing studies and producing documentaries and movies, exhibits, writing books, magazines and articles about this stuff.
frankster Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 22 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: I'm a regular viewer of the "Ancient Astronauts" TV series. Its producers really rely on their imagination when analysing and deconstructing all the artifacts from different civilizations that give credence to Earth having once been visited and infuenced by aliens from outer space! I find the case they make very intriguing. What did you think of X-files??? I find "Ancient Astronaut" very interesting and somewhat informative.....Bradley, Sitchen and Daniken had Already sold me on the idea - the whole idea was initially introduced to me by Lobsang Rampa 5 hours ago, Troy said: yeah, people who watch those shows would naturally be inclined to find the arguments compelling. True... 5 hours ago, Troy said: if you believe in any existence of alien civilizations, as I do, why wouldn’t they have visited us in the past or when dinosaurs roamed the Earth or last week? You do....believe 5 hours ago, Troy said: I read chariots of the gods a long time ago. Sounds like alien civilization is using the same arguments: there’s a carving that looks like a flying salsa therefore, it must be a flying saucer. Great book.. What does the writing that goes or comes with the "flying salsa" say it is? 5 hours ago, Troy said: I don’t buy into all arguments like that. I just believe giving a time scales and a number of star systems out there. There must’ve been some civilizations with the technology to traverse large distances and make it to earth. I just don’t think we have very much proof of it. Very reasonable assumptions?? We may not have much proof but we do have a lot of Evidence.....especially eyewitness - though they may not reach the threshold of scientific reliability. 4 hours ago, ProfD said: As you all know by now, my lack of belief in this type of sh8t stems from the fact that none of it has revealed itself to me. Maybe I'm jealous. Yeah .....you are doubting thomas. 4 hours ago, ProfD said: So, I guess those civilizations found the Earth uninteresting and decided to stop visiting. No..... they may have just chose to live in the ociean now a days. 4 hours ago, ProfD said: Again, i would think that an intelligence capable of building spacecraft and traveling throughout the galaxy; doing drive-bys and donuts on different planets would leave no shortage of proof and evidence of its existence. I do not think they would be very intelligent if they did what you expected. 4 hours ago, ProfD said: There would be plenty witnesses too especially in a world with 16 billion eyeballs on the planet. They are....plenty of witness 4 hours ago, ProfD said: Right now, we have whistleblowers and *experts* in [pick a field of study] who make claims about everything from prehistoric animals to paranormal activities to UAP/UFO/ETs. True....because there is a lot more out there than we know. 4 hours ago, ProfD said: From a capitalistic perspective, I get it. Anything can be a source of generating money in this country. Look no further than the amount of money being poured into doing studies and producing documentaries and movies, exhibits, writing books, magazines and articles about this stuff. Some do it for money some do it out of love....what matters is if the information is a true reflection of reality.
ProfD Posted June 4 Author Report Posted June 4 21 minutes ago, frankster said: Yeah .....you are doubting thomas. There is a difference between a doubter and a non-believer. 21 minutes ago, frankster said: No..... they may have just chose to live in the ociean now a days. Cool. Somebody should be able run over there and do interviews and take pictures with them. 21 minutes ago, frankster said: I do not think they would be very intelligent if they did what you expected. OK. So, what makes them intelligent is being able to travel throughout the galaxy semi-detected except for a few eyewitnesses. 21 minutes ago, frankster said: They are....plenty of witness I'm not inclined to waste my time but I'll ask random people if they have ever seen a dinosaur or a UAPUFO/ET. I'll report back the # of witnesses. 21 minutes ago, frankster said: True....because there is a lot more out there than we know. Some do it for money some do it out of love....what matters is if the information is a true reflection of reality. As I mentioned in the UAP/UFO/ET thread, a reflection of reality would be millions of eyewitnesses.
Troy Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 6 hours ago, frankster said: I do not think they would be very intelligent if they did what you expected. profound. 6 hours ago, frankster said: What does the writing that goes or comes with the "flying salsa" say it is? you know it’s one thing when you make a typo which I’m inclined to do, but it’s a completely different thing, when AutoCorrect changes words completely when you’re moved onto another paragraph. I know I need to reread everything… “Flying salsa” was supposed to be flying saucer.
frankster Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 14 hours ago, Troy said: profound. you know it’s one thing when you make a typo which I’m inclined to do, but it’s a completely different thing, when AutoCorrect changes words completely when you’re moved onto another paragraph. I know I need to reread everything… “Flying salsa” was supposed to be flying saucer. Ok cool happens to me often when in a rush....and I am almost always in a rush "I read chariots of the gods a long time ago. Sounds like alien civilization is using the same arguments: there’s a carving that looks like a flying salsa therefore, it must be a flying saucer." But isn't that the point unitil we have more detail or evidence....to call it what it brings to mind. 20 hours ago, ProfD said: There is a difference between a doubter and a non-believer. Yes there is....I conider you a doubter Reason being you do not believe because they have not reveal themselves to you.... 20 hours ago, ProfD said: Cool. Somebody should be able run over there and do interviews and take pictures with them. Some claim to have done so...Our military says such things are a matter of National Security - only what is leaked is in the public domain 20 hours ago, ProfD said: OK. So, what makes them intelligent is being able to travel throughout the galaxy semi-detected except for a few eyewitnesses. Yes....you could say that 20 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm not inclined to waste my time but I'll ask random people if they have ever seen a dinosaur or a UAPUFO/ET. I'll report back the # of witnesses. Please do 20 hours ago, ProfD said: As I mentioned in the UAP/UFO/ET thread, a reflection of reality would be millions of eyewitnesses. Ask this question in the UFO thread... Let me answer it this why...... "As of May 2023, there have been close to 1,400 sightings," https://www.statista.com/chart/8452/ufo-sightings-are-at-record-heights/ my guess it is not enough to convince you
ProfD Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 56 minutes ago, frankster said: Yes there is....I conider you a doubter Reason being you do not believe because they have not reveal themselves to you.... I'm a non-believer because I don't believe there is anything to reveal itself. 56 minutes ago, frankster said: Ask this question in the UFO thread... Let me answer it this why...... "As of May 2023, there have been close to 1,400 sightings," https://www.statista.com/chart/8452/ufo-sightings-are-at-record-heights/ my guess it is not enough to convince you Absolutely non-convincing. There are 8 billion people on the planet. 1,400 sightings doesn't even show up as a fraction of the population.
frankster Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 2 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm a non-believer because I don't believe there is anything to reveal itself. Absolutely non-convincing. There are 8 billion people on the planet. 1,400 sightings doesn't even show up as a fraction of the population. One eyewitness can send a man to the gallows.....but for you 1400 is not enough. cool....we have had this conversation before - no use going over what has been already discussed in a whole new thread.. is it the quantity of or quality of Eyewitness that is important? bring up the ufo thread and I will try to be a little more convincing
ProfD Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 26 minutes ago, frankster said: One eyewitness can send a man to the gallows.....but for you 1400 is not enough. cool....we have had this conversation before - no use going over what has been already discussed in a whole new thread.. is it the quantity of or quality of Eyewitness that is important? bring up the ufo thread and I will try to be a little more convincing No need. We're good bro. entrenched in our beliefs. Back to dinosaurs...they don't exist either.
Troy Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 5 hours ago, frankster said: But isn't that the point unitil we have more detail or evidence....to call it what it brings to mind. What you describe as "detailed evidence" is not detailed evidence indeed that is would be essentially proof and we would not be having this conversation. What we have are people grasping for straws based upon interpretations. There was a written language when these carving were in place. Why didn't those people simply write there were visitors from other worlds, or people in flying machine, or people who provided other worldly technology to help us build the pyramids? 5 hours ago, frankster said: Some claim to have done so...Our military says such things are a matter of National Security - only what is leaked is in the public domain "Some claim..." more conspiracy theories. 4 hours ago, ProfD said: Absolutely non-convincing. There are 8 billion people on the planet. 1,400 sightings doesn't even show up as a fraction of the population. The 1,400 was just the first 5 months of May 2023. Time that is a significant number, but it is not enough to convince me, because I don't know what those people saw--and neither do they. 1,400 anecdotes do not equal proof - just a lot of anecdotes. 1 hour ago, frankster said: is it the quantity of or quality of Eyewitness that is important? Frankster if a stadium full of people (100K or more) look up in the sky and see a flying object that they cannot identify, it is called a UFO, that is FAR from proof of extraterrestrial life. Now I believe there must be extraterrestrial life because of the reason I previously described. However, I don't think the stuff in Chariots of the Gods or Ancient Aliens is proof.
frankster Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 On 6/5/2025 at 7:27 PM, Troy said: What you describe as "detailed evidence" is not detailed evidence indeed that is would be essentially proof and we would not be having this conversation. I think there is enough evidence... There seems to be a Financial Technological and Power interest why the evidence already Available and Collected is not being Accepted.. Only since the 2000's has real governmental and organizational efforts in the scientific fields has began to be made.. On 6/5/2025 at 7:27 PM, Troy said: What we have are people grasping for straws based upon interpretations. It has passed that stage.....we now have multiply corroborated instrumentational evidence..... On 6/5/2025 at 7:27 PM, Troy said: There was a written language when these carving were in place. Why didn't those people simply write there were visitors from other worlds, or people in flying machine, or people who provided other worldly technology to help us build the pyramids? They have... On 6/5/2025 at 7:27 PM, Troy said: "Some claim..." more conspiracy theories. Yes... Because something is conspiratorial does not make in untrue or unreal. On 6/5/2025 at 7:27 PM, Troy said: The 1,400 was just the first 5 months of May 2023. Time that is a significant number, but it is not enough to convince me, because I don't know what those people saw--and neither do they. 1,400 anecdotes do not equal proof - just a lot of anecdotes. We know have instrumental recordings On 6/5/2025 at 7:27 PM, Troy said: Frankster if a stadium full of people (100K or more) look up in the sky and see a flying object that they cannot identify, it is called a UFO, that is FAR from proof of extraterrestrial life. True... On 6/5/2025 at 7:27 PM, Troy said: Now I believe there must be extraterrestrial life because of the reason I previously described. However, I don't think the stuff in Chariots of the Gods or Ancient Aliens is proof. No they are not proof....but they are evidence that the idea holds value and should be investigated further.
ProfD Posted June 8 Author Report Posted June 8 3 hours ago, frankster said: There seems to be a Financial Technological and Power interest why the evidence already Available and Collected is not being Accepted.. There's an interest in keeping people distracted. It generates money too. 3 hours ago, frankster said: Only since the 2000's has real governmental and organizational efforts in the scientific fields has began to be made.. The government has been wasting money in *researching* this stuff for over a half-century. 3 hours ago, frankster said: We know have instrumental recordings They are using the same grainy pictures from yesterday. Totally incongruent with the technology available today. High-powered photography, telecopes, tracking devices and satellites, etc., would make it much easier to capture strange phenomena. 3 hours ago, frankster said: No they are not proof....but they are evidence that the idea holds value and should be investigated further. They are still producing the same sketchy *evidence* that looks like it came from the last century. Even the Hubble telescope that has been orbiting the Earth for 35 years and counting, capable of seeing deep into the universe hasn't been sending back hi-res pictures of dinosaurs roaming the planet or UFO/UAP/ETs traversing outer space.
aka Contrarian Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 @frankster If you're ever in Chicago, check out the Field Museum, home of Sue, the T-Rex reconstructed from the fossil remains of a dinosaur found around a hill in southwestern South Dakota.
Troy Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 7 hours ago, frankster said: we now have multiply corroborated instrumentational evidence..... Evidence of what Frankster?
frankster Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 22 hours ago, Troy said: Evidence of what Frankster? Intelligently direct UFO/UAP
frankster Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 On 6/8/2025 at 12:24 PM, ProfD said: There's an interest in keeping people distracted. It generates money too. I cannot say there isn't some of that..... On 6/8/2025 at 12:24 PM, ProfD said: The government has been wasting money in *researching* this stuff for over a half-century. Not true....or I would not call it Research There have been no real Research/Study only Investigations of eyewitnesses report.....AATIP/ARRO Now since the Congressional and Senate hearings....we have the first NASA's UAP Independent Study Team started in 2025 On 6/8/2025 at 12:24 PM, ProfD said: They are using the same grainy pictures from yesterday. Totally incongruent with the technology available today. Lets talk in another 3 yrs....if we all still around. Many of the newest reports are not grainy On 6/8/2025 at 12:24 PM, ProfD said: High-powered photography, telecopes, tracking devices and satellites, etc., would make it much easier to capture strange phenomena. NASA Study team is about to use all that.....funding is currently miniscule - so it is going to initially be Open Source On 6/8/2025 at 12:24 PM, ProfD said: They are still producing the same sketchy *evidence* that looks like it came from the last century. Those grainy photos will still be coming in... but some well define and in vivid colors will be coming too... I tried take a picture of a brightly colored bird with my phone....shyte still came out grainy - my daughter then said put it in portrait mode next time.. On 6/8/2025 at 12:24 PM, ProfD said: Even the Hubble telescope that has been orbiting the Earth for 35 years and counting, capable of seeing deep into the universe hasn't been sending back hi-res pictures of dinosaurs roaming the planet or UFO/UAP/ETs traversing outer space. True They were not set up for those purposes....now it maybe refocus and or repurpose in part Information already gather will be mined with that purpose. On 6/8/2025 at 2:09 PM, aka Contrarian said: @frankster If you're ever in Chicago, check out the Field Museum, home of Sue, the T-Rex reconstructed from the fossil remains of a dinosaur found around a hill in southwestern South Dakota. Of course if ever I am in Chi-town I will.... Sadly Though I most admit at this moment I am more interested in Mokele-Mbembe and LochNess.....being caught/captured - not killed.
ProfD Posted June 9 Author Report Posted June 9 3 hours ago, frankster said: Not true....or I would not call it Research There have been no real Research/Study only Investigations of eyewitnesses report.....AATIP/ARRO AATIP/ARRO has been budgeted close to $45 million dollars from 2007-present. That's a lot of money being spent to investigate eyewitness reports. No research. 3 hours ago, frankster said: Now since the Congressional and Senate hearings....we have the first NASA's UAP Independent Study Team started in 2025 NASA Study team is about to use all that.....funding is currently miniscule - so it is going to initially be Open Source White folks know how to find ways to waste more money. That money would be better spent on people who really need it. 3 hours ago, frankster said: I tried take a picture of a brightly colored bird with my phone....shyte still came out grainy - my daughter then said put it in portrait mode next time.. Right. Your phone is capable of taking better pictures once used properly. Current technology could capture Hollywood detailed images of anything. H8ll, we have technology in the sky that can see a cigarette butt in the bushes and identify the brand. 3 hours ago, frankster said: They were not set up for those purposes....now it maybe refocus and or repurpose in part Surely, being able to *see* any UAP/UFO/ETs should have been one of the main reasons for developing a high-powered telescope. No need to recalibrate or focus it. Technology already exists that could capture any strange phenomena in vivid detail. There's no need to spend millions of dollars to study or research it.
Troy Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 8 hours ago, frankster said: Intelligently direct UFO/UAP clearly it’s a UFO but what evidence suggests to you that it is intelligent. And by intelligent, I assume you mean navigated by an intelligent being not of this earth.
frankster Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 20 hours ago, ProfD said: AATIP/ARRO has been budgeted close to $45 million dollars from 2007-present. That's a lot of money being spent to investigate eyewitness reports. No research. They were not studying or researching ufo reports....just investigating them 20 hours ago, ProfD said: White folks know how to find ways to waste more money. That money would be better spent on people who really need it. I do not agree... 20 hours ago, ProfD said: Right. Your phone is capable of taking better pictures once used properly. True.... Once used properly....? Do you know how to use a phone prperly to take a picture....I do not. 20 hours ago, ProfD said: Current technology could capture Hollywood detailed images of anything. Yes....so lets come back in 3yrs and see what the NASA study has to say and add 20 hours ago, ProfD said: H8ll, we have technology in the sky that can see a cigarette butt in the bushes and identify the brand. True....but are we using to look for and capture fast moving objects near and far? 20 hours ago, ProfD said: Surely, being able to *see* any UAP/UFO/ETs should have been one of the main reasons for developing a high-powered telescope. No need to recalibrate or focus it. That was one of the topics the NASA study group arrived at...That the current technology can do but is not calibrated to do what is required. 20 hours ago, ProfD said: Technology already exists that could capture any strange phenomena in vivid detail. There's no need to spend millions of dollars to study or research it. True. These technologies will have to be repurpose and retargeted and that will cost money.... Most of these tech are being used in the military and the military will not share the info because it may lead to security issues. 15 hours ago, Troy said: clearly it’s a UFO but what evidence suggests to you that it is intelligent. And by intelligent, I assume you mean navigated by an intelligent being not of this earth. When they do not act(maneuver) like a falling or billowing/sailing(wind driven) object or bird.
ProfD Posted June 10 Author Report Posted June 10 1 hour ago, frankster said: They were not studying or researching ufo reports....just investigating them That's my point. A lot of money being spent *investigating* reports. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Do you know how to use a phone prperly to take a picture....I do not. Of course I do. The downside to technology is that most people only understand a fraction of its capabilities. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Yes....so lets come back in 3yrs and see what the NASA study has to say and add Nope. I'm not giving them 3 years to parrot the same BS they've been spinning for the last 50 years. 1 hour ago, frankster said: True....but are we using to look for and capture fast moving objects near and far? That should have been one of the main reasons for developing the technology in the 1st place. The telescope is just one thing. There's no shortage of advanced equipment that can capture fast moving objects. Especially if it enters the Earth's atmosphere and flies around. 1 hour ago, frankster said: That was one of the topics the NASA study group arrived at...That the current technology can do but is not calibrated to do what is required. They are BSing the public. Reducing adults to children who believe in Santa Claus. 1 hour ago, frankster said: These technologies will have to be repurpose and retargeted and that will cost money.... The technology does not have to be repurposed and retargeted. It is already capable of capturing such images if they existed. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Most of these tech are being used in the military and the military will not share the info because it may lead to security issues. I believe the military is responsible for and could explain every UAP/UFO sighting that is being reported. They are testing all types of technology. Of course, the military is not going to tell the public everything or too much of anything. it's more *fun* having the public to believe in UAP/UFO/ETs. Nevermind the huge amounts of money *strange phenomena* generates in form of investigation, study, research, TV/film, books, magazines, etc.
frankster Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 7 hours ago, ProfD said: That's my point. A lot of money being spent *investigating* reports. It would have been spent on something wasteful....best spent on something hopeful 7 hours ago, ProfD said: Of course I do. The downside to technology is that most people only understand a fraction of its capabilities. Exactly.. 7 hours ago, ProfD said: Nope. I'm not giving them 3 years to parrot the same BS they've been spinning for the last 50 years. They have spent 50yrs investigating....I few yrs researching is fine by me 7 hours ago, ProfD said: That should have been one of the main reasons for developing the technology in the 1st place. The telescope is just one thing. It should have been but it was not 7 hours ago, ProfD said: There's no shortage of advanced equipment that can capture fast moving objects. Especially if it enters the Earth's atmosphere and flies around. Very few can do what NASA study teams says need to be done....and those few are not specifically calibrated to do what needs to be done. Can you name any that you know of? 7 hours ago, ProfD said: They are BSing the public. Reducing adults to children who believe in Santa Claus. In my estimation they is some truth out there 7 hours ago, ProfD said: The technology does not have to be repurposed and retargeted. It is already capable of capturing such images if they existed. Which technology are you referring to? 7 hours ago, ProfD said: I believe the military is responsible for and could explain every UAP/UFO sighting that is being reported. They are testing all types of technology. I do not believe the military is responsible for all of them.....as some of them has been reported from before mankind was capable of making flying machines 7 hours ago, ProfD said: Of course, the military is not going to tell the public everything or too much of anything. it's more *fun* having the public to believe in UAP/UFO/ETs. The Military also wants this study and research to be done.. 7 hours ago, ProfD said: Nevermind the huge amounts of money *strange phenomena* generates in form of investigation, study, research, TV/film, books, magazines, etc. I cannot see how that is bad....more money for all concern is a good thing in my book
ProfD Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 7 hours ago, frankster said: It would have been spent on something wasteful....best spent on something hopeful IMO, spending that money to improve human lives (shelter, food and healthcare) would be a much better investment. 7 hours ago, frankster said: They have spent 50yrs investigating....I few yrs researching is fine by me Investigating and researching are one in the same as it relates to this subject. Wasting time and money. 7 hours ago, frankster said: Very few can do what NASA study teams says need to be done....and those few are not specifically calibrated to do what needs to be done. NASA can make spacecraft and monitor space but they they cannot *see* anything moving around out there with their high-powered telescopes. Meantime, air traffic controllers do a great job of monitoring hundreds of planes traveling the superhighway in the sky. Not only do air controllers keep planes from colliding. They don't see unexplainable aircraft on their radars either. 7 hours ago, frankster said: Which technology are you referring to? I've already mentioned the high-powered telescopes, satellites and radar systems. That doesn't take into account the most top secret surveillance systems. A lack of technology isn't preventing us from *seeing* anything else flying around. 7 hours ago, frankster said: I do not believe the military is responsible for all of them.....as some of them has been reported from before mankind was capable of making flying machines Again, no evidence or proof of any aircraft before mankind invented it which took us thousands of years in existence to accomplish. 7 hours ago, frankster said: The Military also wants this study and research to be done.. Sure the military wants the study and research done. They'll be laughing their azz off as folks jump in and out of rabbit holes. 7 hours ago, frankster said: I cannot see how that is bad....more money for all concern is a good thing in my book Again, there are much better ways to spend money than investigating, researching and chasing sh8t that doesn't exist.
frankster Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 5 hours ago, ProfD said: IMO, spending that money to improve human lives (shelter, food and healthcare) would be a much better investment. Can't argue with that....but as you see the current administration is deadset on cutting all that and pocketing the proceeds. So I prefer it goes to scientific study and research than Maga. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Investigating and researching are one in the same as it relates to this subject. Wasting time and money. Not to me...money well spent - How can scientific research and study be wasting money? 5 hours ago, ProfD said: NASA can make spacecraft and monitor space but they they cannot *see* anything moving around out there with their high-powered telescopes. Because that is not what they are focus on other things.... The telescopes do pick up lots of stuff....but not enough relevant info to draw a firm conclusion as to what it is in some cases. For it to be scientific various parameters and characteristic within a specified scope most be observe recorded and measured for it to be studied 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Meantime, air traffic controllers do a great job of monitoring hundreds of planes traveling the superhighway in the sky. True....that is their focus - planes drones balloons and birds etc traveling in flight pathways. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Not only do air controllers keep planes from colliding. They don't see unexplainable aircraft on their radars either. They see thm all the time. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: I've already mentioned the high-powered telescopes, satellites and radar systems. That doesn't take into account the most top secret surveillance systems. The top secret surveillance will not be available to science for state security reasons.. Radar operators and satetillis systems operators fear ridicule and loss of job if they report it beyond in house. Most telescope are inefficient when it comes to tracking and recording small fast moving objects.. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: A lack of technology isn't preventing us from *seeing* anything else flying around. You would be surprised at whats flying around....And cannot be seen by the naked or unaided eye 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Again, no evidence or proof of any aircraft before mankind invented it which took us thousands of years in existence to accomplish. Ancient man has painted described made replicas leave instructions and written about flying vehicles for thousands of years 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Sure the military wants the study and research done. They'll be laughing their azz off as folks jump in and out of rabbit holes. So says you.. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Again, there are much better ways to spend money than investigating, researching and chasing sh8t that doesn't exist. I think its time to spent that money on a scientific study and reseach of UFO/UAP
ProfD Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 39 minutes ago, frankster said: So I prefer it goes to scientific study and research than Maga. How can scientific research and study be wasting money? it becomes a waste of time and money when nothing is produced. 39 minutes ago, frankster said: For it to be scientific various parameters and characteristic within a specified scope most be observe recorded and measured for it to be studied A spacecraft doesn't require parameters and characteristics within a specific scope. Either it is seen or unseen. 39 minutes ago, frankster said: Most telescope are inefficient when it comes to tracking and recording small fast moving objects.. I'm not referring to the telescopes that any amateur scientist or astronomer can buy. 39 minutes ago, frankster said: You would be surprised at whats flying around....And cannot be seen by the naked or unaided eye A high-powered telescope provides more than enough to the many sets of eyes sitting in an observation station. Everything the telescope *sees* is being recorded too. 39 minutes ago, frankster said: Ancient man has painted described made replicas leave instructions and written about flying vehicles for thousands of years Humans have vivid imaginations. Children draw things they have never seen and/or heard about in their lives. 39 minutes ago, frankster said: I think its time to spent that money on a scientific study and reseach of UFO/UAP Just like politicians convince poor people that money is better spent on everything other than essentials for their survival. I'm fairly certain that if UAP/UFO/ET exist, they would have zero interest in making life better for humans.
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