Pioneer1 Posted July 2 Author Report Posted July 2 frankster We all share from the the same gene pool... Sharing the same "gene pool" doesn't equate to all people sharing the same genes any more than everyone eating at a buffet means they are all eating the same foods. If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? Quote Genes found on the X and Y chromosomes are called sex-linked genes. Chromosome Y is smaller than chromosome X and doesn’t have all the genes that are found on chromosome Y. That means that while people with the XX genotype have two copies of each gene, people with the XY genotype only have one copy of some sex-linked genes. Some genetic conditions are caused by sex linked genes. For example, haemophilia is a recessive sex-linked condition. https://www.yourgenome.org/theme/what-are-dominant-and-recessive-alleles/ Quote There are different types of genes for each different feature. A variant of a gene may have the instructions for brown hair, whereas another may have the instructions for blonde hair. The result will be determined by how these genes interact. https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/ No...as far as I know they are the same genes express to varying degrees. That's as far as YOU know....but there is MORE to know. A gene producing a different physical features in two people may be the SAME gene EXPRESSING itself differently in them for one reason or another, or they may be two different VARIANTS of that gene. It really depends.
frankster Posted July 2 Report Posted July 2 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster We all share from the the same gene pool... Sharing the same "gene pool" doesn't equate to all people sharing the same genes any more than everyone eating at a buffet means they are all eating the same foods. In genetics we do....share in the same genes. 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? No Answer....thanks 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No...as far as I know they are the same genes express to varying degrees. That's as far as YOU know....but there is MORE to know. Yes...there is always more to know... New information will lead to a necessary reassessment of conclusion 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: A gene producing a different physical features in two people may be the SAME gene EXPRESSING itself differently in them for one reason or another, or they may be two different VARIANTS of that gene. It is the same gene....expressing it self more or less The main drivers of change in humans phenotype is environmental and dietary. Gene Variants are just different forms of the same gene 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It really depends. Yes....our understanding depends on our knowledge - new knowledge often leads to new understanding
Pioneer1 Posted July 5 Author Report Posted July 5 frankster In genetics we do....share in the same genes. Again, SOME of the genes we share are the same and some are different. No Answer....thanks If denial is the game you want to play..... You can IGNORE the facts I presented to you all you want but just remember that there's a reason why "ignore" is at the root of the word "ignorant"....lol. It is the same gene....expressing it self more or less Gene Variants are just different forms of the same gene That's like saying we both have the same 4 door car. My black 8 cylinder is just a different form than your white 4 cylinder. If they are different colors with different engines...they are DIFFERENT. It may be the same TYPE of gene meaning it's a gene responsible or color....or ear shape...or eye color; but the very fact that it expresses itself or behaves differently means it's a DIFFERENT gene than that same TYPE that doesn't express itself that way.
frankster Posted July 5 Report Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster In genetics we do....share in the same genes. Again, SOME of the genes we share are the same and some are different. As humans we all share in the same set or sets of genes....the vari 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: No Answer....thanks If denial is the game you want to play..... You can IGNORE the facts I presented to you all you want but just remember that there's a reason why "ignore" is at the root of the word "ignorant"....lol. You the one who did not respond....so that theory applies to you 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: It is the same gene....expressing it self more or less Gene Variants are just different forms of the same gene That's like saying we both have the same 4 door car. My black 8 cylinder is just a different form than your white 4 cylinder. Yes....they both using cylinders....one more than the other 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: If they are different colors with different engines...they are DIFFERENT. It may be the same TYPE of gene meaning it's a gene responsible or color....or ear shape...or eye color; but the very fact that it expresses itself or behaves differently means it's a DIFFERENT gene than that same TYPE that doesn't express itself that way. The Gene is same.....it expresses itself more or less depending on environment. It is not a different gene.
Pioneer1 Posted July 5 Author Report Posted July 5 frankster You the one who did not respond....so that theory applies to you I absolutely DID respond. I presented 2 excerpts with the links attached. Yes....they both using cylinders....one more than the other One uses more than the other because it HAS more cylinders to use...lol. It's a different type of engine all together. The Gene is same.....it expresses itself more or less depending on environment. It is not a different gene. If that were true..... Then everyone living in the same environment would LOOK the same. Black people and White people have been living in America in the same environment eating the same foods in the same climate for HUNDREDS of years and we still look different from eachother. It's more than just environment, the genes themselves are different. They EXPRESS differently because they ARE different.
frankster Posted July 6 Report Posted July 6 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster You the one who did not respond....so that theory applies to you I absolutely DID respond. I presented 2 excerpts with the links attached. Then i missed it... please present again with links and excerpts. 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes....they both using cylinders....one more than the other One uses more than the other because it HAS more cylinders to use...lol. It's a different type of engine all together. They still using cylinders....more or less 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Gene is same.....it expresses itself more or less depending on environment. It is not a different gene. If that were true..... Then everyone living in the same environment would LOOK the same. No....not true We already covered this using siblings and twins. All humans vary....that variation does mean they have different genes. 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Black people and White people have been living in America in the same environment eating the same foods in the same climate for HUNDREDS of years and we still look different from eachother. Some changes take longer than others.... Homogeneity usually takes tens of thousand of years 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It's more than just environment, the genes themselves are different. Thank you for realizing and accepting the role of environment in gene expression 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They EXPRESS differently because they ARE different. Gene plasticity and Gene pleiotropy are responsible for that....not different genes.
Pioneer1 Posted July 6 Author Report Posted July 6 frankster Then i missed it... please present again with links and excerpts. In response to you saying: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? Quote Genes found on the X and Y chromosomes are called sex-linked genes. Chromosome Y is smaller than chromosome X and doesn’t have all the genes that are found on chromosome Y. That means that while people with the XX genotype have two copies of each gene, people with the XY genotype only have one copy of some sex-linked genes. Some genetic conditions are caused by sex linked genes. For example, haemophilia is a recessive sex-linked condition. https://www.yourgenome.org/theme/what-are-dominant-and-recessive-alleles/ Although they are called a "copies"...they are still genes. And while some people have an extra copy, some people don't. Quote There are different types of genes for each different feature. A variant of a gene may have the instructions for brown hair, whereas another may have the instructions for blonde hair. The result will be determined by how these genes interact. https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/ A VARIENT gene is a DIFFERENT gene. A variety or assortment is a host of differences by definition. They still using cylinders....more or less But the engines are different. Which means that cars are different. No matter how similarities they may have, they aren't the same. No....not true We already covered this using siblings and twins. All humans vary....that variation does mean they have different genes. It absolutely does. If the genes in those individuals express themselves differently, then they ARE different. Again, no matter how similar they are to eachother...whatever is in one is causing it to express itself different than the other one. That "cause" be default makes it different. Thank you for realizing and accepting the role of environment in gene expression Ofcourse. Nobody denied this. Gene plasticity and Gene pleiotropy are responsible for that....not different genes. See the excerpts and links I provided.
frankster Posted July 6 Report Posted July 6 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Then i missed it... please present again with links and excerpts. In response to you saying: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? Although they are called a "copies"...they are still genes. And while some people have an extra copy, some people don't. Where is the gene that is only found in one so called race and not the other? There are different types of genes for each different feature. A variant of a gene may have the instructions for brown hair, whereas another may have the instructions for blonde hair. The result will be determined by how these genes interact. https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/ Are you saying that these different genes are non human? Or not part of the human gene pool? Yes...as humans we all have or share in those variants...They are all the same human genes.. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: A VARIENT gene is a DIFFERENT gene. A variety or assortment is a host of differences by definition. Their are many different varieties of apples....they still all apples 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They still using cylinders....more or less But the engines are different. Which means that cars are different. No matter how similarities they may have, they aren't the same. They still cars with cylinders 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No....not true We already covered this using siblings and twins. All humans vary....that variation does mean they have different genes. It absolutely does. If the genes in those individuals express themselves differently, then they ARE different. Again, no matter how similar they are to eachother...whatever is in one is causing it to express itself different than the other one. That "cause" be default makes it different. The Uniqueness or individuality does not mean they do not share in the same common gene pool....all living things have variations We are not exact copies of each other...we discussed this already... 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Thank you for realizing and accepting the role of environment in gene expression Ofcourse. Nobody denied this. cool 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Gene plasticity and Gene pleiotropy are responsible for that....not different genes. See the excerpts and links I provided. They prove my point.... Genes are hereditary, made up of DNA, some will act as instructions to make protein molecules. Many genes so not code for proteins, though, and in humans genes vary in size from a few hundred DNA bases to millions. .....Everyone has DNA, and therefore everyone has genes. Genes are the basic physical and functional units of heredity, they are made up of DNA, and you get them from your parents. Our genomes as humans contain 20,687 protein coding genes! We are more complex as beings than you might think. https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/
Pioneer1 Posted July 7 Author Report Posted July 7 frankster Where is the gene that is only found in one so called race and not the other? That's not what you asked me to present. You asked for genes found in SOME PEOPLE that aren't found in others. Are you saying that these different genes are non human? Ofcourse not. Or not part of the human gene pool? Not sure what you mean by that, however I presented the information you asked for. Yes...as humans we all have or share in those variants...They are all the same human genes.. Humans don't all share the SAME variants. Some have one group of variants, others another. Their are many different varieties of apples....they still all apples But all apples aren't the SAME. A Delicious Red isn't the same as a Green which isn't the same as a Honey Crisp. The Uniqueness or individuality does not mean they do not share in the same common gene pool....all living things have variations So you're just expounding on my point that we don't all have the same genes. They prove my point YOUR point was that everyone had the same genes, and both I and the material I provided proved you wrong.
frankster Posted July 8 Report Posted July 8 On 7/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankster Where is the gene that is only found in one so called race and not the other? That's not what you asked me to present. You asked for genes found in SOME PEOPLE that aren't found in others. Then what did I ask? I remember asking the following and I quote: 'Where is the gene that is only found in one so called race and not the other?" I personally know of black or African people with blonde hair and blues....as demonstrated by the twins and albino examples I shared. Africans are the source of all human genes....so these genes are not exclusive to one race... On 7/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said: Are you saying that these different genes are non human? Ofcourse not. Ok then.. If the are human genes then they are African.. On 7/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said: Or not part of the human gene pool? Not sure what you mean by that, however I presented the information you asked for. No ...you did not On 7/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said: Yes...as humans we all have or share in those variants...They are all the same human genes.. Humans don't all share the SAME variants. Some have one group of variants, others another. All human genes are passed down from African Ethnic groups....to humanity On 7/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said: Their are many different varieties of apples....they still all apples But all apples aren't the SAME. A Delicious Red isn't the same as a Green which isn't the same as a Honey Crisp. That's variety.... You are not your sibling nor are you exactly the same even if when you share the same parents....you both came from the same genetic pool - you remain human Genes are expressed to varying degrees On 7/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said: The Uniqueness or individuality does not mean they do not share in the same common gene pool....all living things have variations So you're just expounding on my point that we don't all have the same genes. I have been saying from get....that we all share in the same genes.... Water comes three forms in Liquid Gas or Solid.....but they still all H2O "Genes also come in different forms, which are known as alleles." https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/ On 7/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said: They prove my point YOUR point was that everyone had the same genes, and both I and the material I provided proved you wrong. The material said: There are different types of genes for each different feature. Well since there is no feature that is exclusive to any race and not found in the other. It is safe to say that all races....especially Africans share in all genes I have seen europeans with African Features and Africans with european features....same gene pool some being expressed more or less
Pioneer1 Posted July 8 Author Report Posted July 8 frankster Then what did I ask? I remember asking the following and I quote: 'Where is the gene that is only found in one so called race and not the other?" On the first page of this thread you asked: On 7/1/2025 at 3:05 AM, frankster said: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? So I presented excerpts from articles explaining this. Ok then.. If the are human genes then they are African.. According to YOU. I don't believe that. That's variety.... And variety means DIFFERENT. If they were all the same...that wouldn't be much of a "variety", lol. I have been saying from get....that we all share in the same genes.... Water comes three forms in Liquid Gas or Solid.....but they still all H2O But they aren't the same. Ice isn't the same as steam. Try to stuff ice cubes in your iron to iron your clothes and see how THAT turns out....lol. The material said: There are different types of genes for each different feature. Well since there is no feature that is exclusive to any race and not found in the other. It is safe to say that all races....especially Africans share in all genes I have seen europeans with African Features and Africans with european features....same gene pool some being expressed more or less Are there East Asians with blonde hair and blue eyes? Are there Caucasians with beaded nappy hair like the Bushmen?
frankster Posted July 9 Report Posted July 9 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Then what did I ask? I remember asking the following and I quote: 'Where is the gene that is only found in one so called race and not the other?" On the first page of this thread you asked: "If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share???" So I presented excerpts from articles explaining this. You know what i meant.....I also that we share in the same gene pool The article still did not say that one human has this gene and others did not.... Did the article say other humans do not have that gene? Do other so called members of that race have that gene?....are they human? 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Ok then.. If the are human genes then they are African.. According to YOU. I don't believe that. your are entitled to your belief. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That's variety.... And variety means DIFFERENT. If they were all the same...that wouldn't be much of a "variety", lol. In this discussion I prefer to use variety... 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I have been saying from get....that we all share in the same genes.... Water comes three forms in Liquid Gas or Solid.....but they still all H2O But they aren't the same. Ice isn't the same as steam. Try to stuff ice cubes in your iron to iron your clothes and see how THAT turns out....lol. The forms is varied.... but they all H20...Water 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The material said: There are different types of genes for each different feature. Well since there is no feature that is exclusive to any race and not found in the other. It is safe to say that all races....especially Africans share in all genes I have seen europeans with African Features and Africans with european features....same gene pool some being expressed more or less Are there East Asians with blonde hair and blue eyes? Are there Caucasians with beaded nappy hair like the Bushmen? We have been through this already.....check out Albinos and Afro-Abkhazians
Pioneer1 Posted July 11 Author Report Posted July 11 frankster You know what i meant.....I also that we share in the same gene pool Lol, I don't know WHAT you mean about 30% of the time. The article still did not say that one human has this gene and others did not.... Did the article say other humans do not have that gene? READ it...it explains to you clearly. Do other so called members of that race have that gene?....are they human? They're all human. Human beings, but DIFFERENT TYPES of human beings. In this discussion I prefer to use variety... Tupac said...Call It What You Want Just don't call them the "same" because they are of DIFFERENT VARIETIES. The forms is varied.... but they all H20...Water Ofcourse, but it's still DIFFERENT. We have been through this already.....check out Albinos and Afro-Abkhazians You're talking about people with genetic defects. You like to hold up exceptions as rules to illustrate your narrative.
frankster Posted July 11 Report Posted July 11 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster You know what i meant.....I also that we share in the same gene pool Lol, I don't know WHAT you mean about 30% of the time. That's cool. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The article still did not say that one human has this gene and others did not.... Did the article say other humans do not have that gene? READ it...it explains to you clearly. Show where it says no other human being has this gene? 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Do other so called members of that race have that gene?....are they human? They're all human. Human beings, but DIFFERENT TYPES of human beings. I have seen many human beings with blonde hair...or blue eyes - it is not unique to one individual. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In this discussion I prefer to use variety... Tupac said...Call It What You Want Just don't call them the "same" because they are of DIFFERENT VARIETIES. Yep they are varied as all human beings are.....no human being is a exact duplicate of any other human being - thru natural selection 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The forms is varied.... but they all H20...Water Ofcourse, but it's still DIFFERENT. Yet it remains H2O....funny how that works - its just a variation 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We have been through this already.....check out Albinos and Afro-Abkhazians You're talking about people with genetic defects. You like to hold up exceptions as rules to illustrate your narrative. We have been thru this already...
Pioneer1 Posted July 16 Author Report Posted July 16 frankster Show where it says no other human being has this gene? Show where someone made that claim. I have seen many human beings with blonde hair...or blue eyes - it is not unique to one individual. Me too. But I've seen a lot more people who DON'T have it. So obviously they have genes that other people don't; and vice versa. Yet it remains H2O....funny how that works - its just a variation It's not funny to me, because I understand it. It's not a variation in molecular combination, just a variation in molecular structure. We have been thru this already... Ofcourse, it's your MO.
frankster Posted July 17 Report Posted July 17 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Show where it says no other human being has this gene? Show where someone made that claim. Without the name of the particular gene my answer remains as I stated above: The material said: There are different types of genes for each different feature. Well since there is no feature that is exclusive to any race and not found in the other. It is safe to say that all races....especially Africans share in all genes I have seen europeans with African Features and Africans with european features....same gene pool some being expressed more or less Genes also come in different forms, which are known as alleles. For us, alleles of certain genes will come in pairs, with one on each chromosome. If the alleles of a specific gene are the same then the organism will be referred to as homozygous, if they are different, then it is referred to as heterozygous. The phenotype is determined by how the alleles are combined. Blue eyes might be the result of one allele, whereas brown eyes might be the result of another allele. The eventual eye color depends on which alleles are present and how they interact with each other. The instructions in your genes will determine your features, such as eye color, hair color, height, and so on. There are different types of genes for each different feature. A variant of a gene may have the instructions for brown hair, whereas another may have the instructions for blonde hair. The result will be determined by how these genes interact. https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/ 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I have seen many human beings with blonde hair...or blue eyes - it is not unique to one individual. Me too. But I've seen a lot more people who DON'T have it. So obviously they have genes that other people don't; and vice versa. IT how the are expressed interact or whether or not they are on.....we humans share in the same gene pool from which we draw of respective features. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yet it remains H2O....funny how that works - its just a variation It's not funny to me, because I understand it. It's not a variation in molecular combination, just a variation in molecular structure. Same it is still a variation. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We have been thru this already... Ofcourse, it's your MO. cool
Pioneer1 Posted July 20 Author Report Posted July 20 frankster Without the name of the particular gene my answer remains as I stated above: The material said: There are different types of genes for each different feature. Well since there is no feature that is exclusive to any race and not found in the other. It is safe to say that all races....especially Africans share in all genes I have seen europeans with African Features and Africans with european features....same gene pool some being expressed more or less I repeat: Show me where I made the claim that no other human has a particular gene that one has! Genes also come in different forms, which are known as alleles. For us, alleles of certain genes will come in pairs, with one on each chromosome. If the alleles of a specific gene are the same then the organism will be referred to as homozygous, if they are different, then it is referred to as heterozygous. The phenotype is determined by how the alleles are combined. Blue eyes might be the result of one allele, whereas brown eyes might be the result of another allele. The eventual eye color depends on which alleles are present and how they interact with each other. The instructions in your genes will determine your features, such as eye color, hair color, height, and so on. There are different types of genes for each different feature. A variant of a gene may have the instructions for brown hair, whereas another may have the instructions for blonde hair. The result will be determined by how these genes interact. https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/ SHOW ME....please...where I made the claim that only ONE person has a particular gene and no one else does. IT how the are expressed interact or whether or not they are on.....we humans share in the same gene pool from which we draw of respective features. Sharing the same "gene pool" isn't the same as sharing the same genes. Just like sharing the same PLANET isn't the same as sharing the same as sharing the same LAND. Same it is still a variation. Ok.....
frankster Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 On 7/20/2025 at 2:22 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankster Without the name of the particular gene my answer remains as I stated above: The material said: There are different types of genes for each different feature. Well since there is no feature that is exclusive to any race and not found in the other. It is safe to say that all races....especially Africans share in all genes I have seen europeans with African Features and Africans with european features....same gene pool some being expressed more or less I repeat: Show me where I made the claim that no other human has a particular gene that one has! I do not know if you did... I know I did say we all share from the same human gene pool You said some people do not have an extra copy??? The following is a quote from you:- In response to you saying: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? Quote Genes found on the X and Y chromosomes are called sex-linked genes. Chromosome Y is smaller than chromosome X and doesn’t have all the genes that are found on chromosome Y. That means that while people with the XX genotype have two copies of each gene, people with the XY genotype only have one copy of some sex-linked genes. Some genetic conditions are caused by sex linked genes. For example, haemophilia is a recessive sex-linked condition. https://www.yourgenome.org/theme/what-are-dominant-and-recessive-alleles/ Although they are called a "copies"...they are still genes. And while some people have an extra copy, some people don't. On 7/20/2025 at 2:22 PM, Pioneer1 said: Genes also come in different forms, which are known as alleles. For us, alleles of certain genes will come in pairs, with one on each chromosome. If the alleles of a specific gene are the same then the organism will be referred to as homozygous, if they are different, then it is referred to as heterozygous. The phenotype is determined by how the alleles are combined. Blue eyes might be the result of one allele, whereas brown eyes might be the result of another allele. The eventual eye color depends on which alleles are present and how they interact with each other. The instructions in your genes will determine your features, such as eye color, hair color, height, and so on. There are different types of genes for each different feature. A variant of a gene may have the instructions for brown hair, whereas another may have the instructions for blonde hair. The result will be determined by how these genes interact. https://www.mybiosource.com/learn/complete-guide-to-genes/ SHOW ME....please...where I made the claim that only ONE person has a particular gene and no one else does. If More than one person has that gene then it is not exclusive to the individual nor to any race....it is a part of the human gene pool. On 7/20/2025 at 2:22 PM, Pioneer1 said: IT how the are expressed interact or whether or not they are on.....we humans share in the same gene pool from which we draw of respective features. Sharing the same "gene pool" isn't the same as sharing the same genes. Just like sharing the same PLANET isn't the same as sharing the same as sharing the same LAND. Yes sharing from the same gene pool means that all the genes you have can be found in that general pool It becomes varied to the degree it is expressed or not expressed Earth is one big land mass with seas and oceans above and between. It is the same Land....just another part - we are all earthlings or terrans/terrestrials On 7/20/2025 at 2:22 PM, Pioneer1 said: Same it is still a variation. Ok..... cool
Pioneer1 Posted July 27 Author Report Posted July 27 Gene Pool = Humanity Groups with different genes in that pool = Races
frankster Posted August 7 Report Posted August 7 On 7/27/2025 at 12:19 PM, Pioneer1 said: Gene Pool = Humanity Groups with different genes in that pool = Races Cool...that is your definition.... Siblings of the same parentage look different....because of the degree to which Genes are Express or lack thereof
Pioneer1 Posted August 9 Author Report Posted August 9 On 8/6/2025 at 8:21 PM, frankster said: Cool...that is your definition.... Siblings of the same parentage look different....because of the degree to which Genes are Express or lack thereof Genes "express" themselves different because they ARE different to some degree or another. If they were the same, they'd express themselves the same way in the same controlled environment.
frankster Posted August 15 Report Posted August 15 On 8/9/2025 at 7:19 AM, Pioneer1 said: Genes "express" themselves different because they ARE different to some degree or another. It took you long enough....key here is degree On 8/9/2025 at 7:19 AM, Pioneer1 said: If they were the same, they'd express themselves the same way in the same controlled environment. No two human beings is the same....but they are human being because they share in the same genes and genetic structures.
Pioneer1 Posted August 18 Author Report Posted August 18 On 8/14/2025 at 11:41 PM, frankster said: It took you long enough....key here is degree No two human beings is the same....but they are human being because they share in the same genes and genetic structures. Human beings, but DIFFERENT TYPES of human beings. They are all genes, but DIFFERENT TYPES of genes that express themselves differently even in the same environment.
ProfD Posted August 18 Report Posted August 18 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Human beings, but DIFFERENT TYPES of human beings. Wait a minute...I thought there was only two types of human beings...male and female.
Pioneer1 Posted August 18 Author Report Posted August 18 6 hours ago, ProfD said: Wait a minute...I thought there was only two types of human beings...male and female. Don't forget the hermaphrodites! 1
frankster Posted August 20 Report Posted August 20 On 8/17/2025 at 8:36 PM, Pioneer1 said: Human beings, but DIFFERENT TYPES of human beings. They are all genes, but DIFFERENT TYPES of genes that express themselves differently even in the same environment. They are still Human beings...
umbrarchist Posted August 22 Report Posted August 22 I confess that I have not finished watching this but I have watched LOTS of his videos. He usually does interesting stuff with some degree of intellectual depth. I kind of liked the title. .
Pioneer1 Posted August 27 Author Report Posted August 27 On 8/20/2025 at 3:52 PM, frankster said: They are still Human beings... There HUMANITY was never in question; their DIFFERENCES (genetic differences) are.
frankster Posted August 28 Report Posted August 28 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There HUMANITY was never in question; their DIFFERENCES (genetic differences) are. Of which there is none....same genes different results
Pioneer1 Posted August 30 Author Report Posted August 30 On 8/27/2025 at 10:07 PM, frankster said: Of which there is none....same genes different results If those genes are producing different results under the same CONDITIONS...then those genes aren't the same. They're different also. If 2 objects that look a like are thrown in the SAME body of water but one floats while the other sinks, no matter how similar they are to eachother....they are clearly different.
frankster Posted September 4 Report Posted September 4 On 8/30/2025 at 8:59 AM, Pioneer1 said: If those genes are producing different results under the same CONDITIONS...then those genes aren't the same. They're different also. If 2 objects that look a like are thrown in the SAME body of water but one floats while the other sinks, no matter how similar they are to eachother....they are clearly different. Nonsense.... Two same parents can and do have different looking and sounding offsprings.....we see this even in twins - from the same egg and sperm.
Pioneer1 Posted September 4 Author Report Posted September 4 frankster Nonsense.... Two same parents can and do have different looking and sounding offsprings.....we see this even in twins - from the same egg and sperm. This is correct. So..... How does THAT fact tie into calling my previous post "nonsense"??? How does what you just typed dispute or contradict what I said about genes in the same environment producing different results???
frankster Posted September 6 Report Posted September 6 On 9/4/2025 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankster Nonsense.... Two same parents can and do have different looking and sounding offsprings.....we see this even in twins - from the same egg and sperm. This is correct. So..... How does THAT fact tie into calling my previous post "nonsense"??? How does what you just typed dispute or contradict what I said about genes in the same environment producing different results??? Because your conclusion is wrong...
Pioneer1 Posted September 6 Author Report Posted September 6 frankster I said that if a set of genes are producing different results under the same conditions....then those genes are NOT the same. They're different, regardless as to how similar them may seem. Now how does your statement about twins coming from the same parents prove my position on this, wrong? Are you suggesting that twins share the exact same genes? Are you suggesting that the conditions twins experience in the womb are exactly the same since they share the same womb?
frankster Posted September 7 Report Posted September 7 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster I said that if a set of genes are producing different results under the same conditions....then those genes are NOT the same. They're different, regardless as to how similar them may seem. Now how does your statement about twins coming from the same parents prove my position on this, wrong? Are you suggesting that twins share the exact same genes? Are you suggesting that the conditions twins experience in the womb are exactly the same since they share the same womb? Twins share the same genes... Genes are expressed in degrees...more less or none at all They share the same womb so conditions are the same... What they experience can be different....
Pioneer1 Posted September 7 Author Report Posted September 7 16 hours ago, frankster said: Twins share the same genes... They share SOME of the same genes. Infact, probably MOST of the genes they share are the same. However even when it comes to identical twins....some of the genes are different.
frankster Posted September 7 Report Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: They share SOME of the same genes. Infact, probably MOST of the genes they share are the same. However even when it comes to identical twins....some of the genes are different. On that we will have to continue to disagree....
Pioneer1 Posted September 7 Author Report Posted September 7 2 minutes ago, frankster said: On that we will have to continue to disagree.... We don't "have" to. It's a position you chose...lol.
frankster Posted September 8 Report Posted September 8 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We don't "have" to. It's a position you chose...lol. My position is based on the information I have..... The information you provided has not caused me to rethink.... The information I provided has not caused you to rethink.... Hence our mutual position the same.....until new information is presented we are in disagreement on this issue
Pioneer1 Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM On 9/8/2025 at 7:06 AM, frankster said: My position is based on the information I have..... The information you provided has not caused me to rethink.... The information I provided has not caused you to rethink.... Hence our mutual position the same.....until new information is presented we are in disagreement on this issue Well here is some NEW INFORMATION for you that may cause you to rethink: Fraternal or dizygotic twins develop from two different eggs fertilized by separate sperm; they generally share about 50 percent of their genes. Therefore, fraternal twins are essentially like typical brothers and sisters. Fraternal Twins | Psychology Today This is a scientific article stating that even twins in the same womb...under certain circumstances....share only HALF of eachother's genes. What does that say about your theory that "everybody" shares the same genes?
frankster Posted Sunday at 07:27 PM Report Posted Sunday at 07:27 PM 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Well here is some NEW INFORMATION for you that may cause you to rethink: Fraternal or dizygotic twins develop from two different eggs fertilized by separate sperm; they generally share about 50 percent of their genes. Therefore, fraternal twins are essentially like typical brothers and sisters. Fraternal Twins | Psychology Today This is a scientific article stating that even twins in the same womb...under certain circumstances....share only HALF of eachother's genes. What does that say about your theory that "everybody" shares the same genes? Yes...not really new info to me - but glad to see you doing the work Question are the eggs from the same woman and the sperm from the same man? If so then the are from the same gene pool... The second study concerned new findings that identical twins may show actual DNA differences (called copy number variations, CNVs), conducted at the University of Alabama. Therefore, fraternal twins are essentially like typical brothers and sisters. And for the part you left out of your quote:- Similarities found between sets of fraternal twins suggest that the environment can influence traits greatly. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/twins/fraternal-twins https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/twofold/200805/fraternal-twins-the-hidden-pairs You are so intellectually dishonest, the above is an example of lying by omission.... You are so obsessed with winning a debate or gaining a point, that you are willing to arrive a a delusion/falsity as the truth
Pioneer1 Posted Sunday at 08:07 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 08:07 PM frankster Yes...not really new info to me - but glad to see you doing the work Question are the eggs from the same woman and the sperm from the same man? If so then the are from the same gene pool.. Doesn't matter. Your position is that EVERYBODY has the same genes, just expressed differently. This article says...not so. Since it's not news to you, are you saying that you knowingly and willingly ignored information that contradicted your own views on the matter? 40 minutes ago, frankster said: You are so intellectually dishonest, the above is an example of lying by omission.... You are so obsessed with winning a debate or gaining a point, that you are willing to arrive a a delusion/falsity as the truth And you are so cognitively dissonant that you think taking shots and insulting someone behind crossed out wording will someone NOT have the same affect as doing it in plain text....lol. Reminds me of a gang member covered in tattoos....wearing a mask over his face to "conceal" his identity...lol.
frankster Posted Sunday at 08:09 PM Report Posted Sunday at 08:09 PM 1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Yes...not really new info to me - but glad to see you doing the work Question are the eggs from the same woman and the sperm from the same man? If so then the are from the same gene pool.. Doesn't matter. Your position is that EVERYBODY has the same genes, just expressed differently. This article says...not so. Since it's not news to you, are you saying that you knowingly and willingly ignored information that contradicted your own views on the matter? And for the part you left out of your quote:- Similarities found between sets of fraternal twins suggest that the environment can influence traits greatly. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/twins/fraternal-twins https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/twofold/200805/fraternal-twins-the-hidden-pairs
Pioneer1 Posted Sunday at 08:16 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 08:16 PM 7 minutes ago, frankster said: And for the part you left out of your quote:- Similarities found between sets of fraternal twins suggest that the environment can influence traits greatly. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/twins/fraternal-twins https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/twofold/200805/fraternal-twins-the-hidden-pairs I didn't "leave anything out" of the quote. I quoted exactly what I WANTED to quote. I didn't want to quote the ENTIRE ARTICLE....only the part that proved my point. You quote whichever part of it you like, but I quoted the part that proved MY point.
frankster Posted Monday at 09:45 PM Report Posted Monday at 09:45 PM On 9/14/2025 at 4:16 PM, Pioneer1 said: I didn't "leave anything out" of the quote. I quoted exactly what I WANTED to quote. I didn't want to quote the ENTIRE ARTICLE....only the part that proved my point. You quote whichever part of it you like, but I quoted the part that proved MY point. Cool The article supports my contention that genes are express more less or none at all and this is influence by environment. The Same Genes in the same environment can express themselves to varying degrees..... Hence siblings of the same parentage do not look exactly the same nor behave exactly the same....but they both from the same gene pool - the human gene pool
Pioneer1 Posted Monday at 10:16 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 10:16 PM frankster The article supports my contention that genes are express more less or none at all and this is influence by environment. Problem is...that wasn't your ONLY "contention". You also take the position that everyone shared the same genes just expressed differently: On 7/1/2025 at 3:05 AM, frankster said: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? On 6/23/2025 at 1:26 PM, frankster said: Example you and your siblings of the same parents share the same gene....but you and your sibling are not exact copies of each other. This article contradicts that position: Fraternal or dizygotic twins develop from two different eggs fertilized by separate sperm; they generally share about 50 percent of their genes. Therefore, fraternal twins are essentially like typical brothers and sisters. Fraternal Twins | Psychology Today
frankster Posted yesterday at 12:32 PM Report Posted yesterday at 12:32 PM 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster The article supports my contention that genes are express more less or none at all and this is influence by environment. Problem is...that wasn't your ONLY "contention". You also take the position that everyone shared the same genes just expressed differently: Yes....there is no gene that you have that some other human being does not have also have. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: This article contradicts that position: Fraternal or dizygotic twins develop from two different eggs fertilized by separate sperm; they generally share about 50 percent of their genes. Therefore, fraternal twins are essentially like typical brothers and sisters. Fraternal Twins | Psychology Today Yes.....are their genes from the human gene pool? If so then they have the same genes....human genes. In other words they both share 100% from the human gene pool
Pioneer1 Posted 20 hours ago Author Report Posted 20 hours ago frankster Yes....there is no gene that you have that some other human being does not have also have. I was born in the morning....but not THIS morning...lol. That ain't what you said the other day....lol. You said: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? You were clearly suggesting that NO human has a gene that another doesn't have. That's not the same as claiming that no human has a gene that no other human possesses. Two totally different positions, so don't try to flip the script and muddy the waters...lol. Yes.....are their genes from the human gene pool? If so then they have the same genes....human genes. In other words they both share 100% from the human gene pool That's like saying you and George W. Bush are the same since yall come from the same pool of humanity. Coming from the same "pool" isn't the same as being the "same".
frankster Posted 10 minutes ago Report Posted 10 minutes ago 19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Yes....there is no gene that you have that some other human being does not have also have. I was born in the morning....but not THIS morning...lol. That ain't what you said the other day....lol. You said: If you can find a gene that one human have and another does not please share??? You were clearly suggesting that NO human has a gene that another doesn't have. That's not the same as claiming that no human has a gene that no other human possesses. Two totally different positions, so don't try to flip the script and muddy the waters...lol. Well then why dont you share what that gene that gene is that only one human has?? I said from The begining that we all share in the same gene pool.... 19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes.....are their genes from the human gene pool? If so then they have the same genes....human genes. In other words they both share 100% from the human gene pool That's like saying you and George W. Bush are the same since yall come from the same pool of humanity. Coming from the same "pool" isn't the same as being the "same". Yes - We are all human...one specie
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