What would you say is the fundamental basis of reality

[ProfD]

28 minutes ago, Troy said:

....a third are too apathetic to even vote let alone revolt.

The *game* politics has become is a turnoff to a lot of people. The candidates aren't great either.

 

28 minutes ago, Troy said:

Another third are behind the president.

That third might grow as POTUS OJ continues to fulfill his campaign promises and champions hyper-white nationalism.

 

28 minutes ago, Troy said:

Off the remaining third most are scared or too concerned with their own welfare to do anything.

I wonder if the political party most of them ridesl with is blue.

 

28 minutes ago, Troy said:

This is where checks and balances are supposed to prevent shit from running off the rails.

 

Time will tell.

The current administration is playing fast and loose with laws and rules. Hopefully they won't be allowed to run it off the rails. 

[Troy]

I dunno bruh, "knowledge" given your analogy can allow that scrambled-up book I described become information. Crackpots can find meaning in anything.

 

Information is its own thing, independent of an observer. 

 

20 minutes ago, ProfD said:

That third might grow as POTUS OJ continues to fulfill his campaign promises and champions hyper-white nationalism.

 

I would not fixate too much on the hyper-whte nationalism bit.  I think it is just a tactic he uses to divide and concur. He is no more beholden to them as he is to you or I. Besides there are plenty of Black people who are Trump supporters.

 

He had no problem hosting Jim Brown and Kayne West in the Oval Office.  A true racist would not cavort with Black men.

 

27 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Hopefully they won't be allowed to run it off the rails. 

 

Agreed; for we have very little choice...

[Delano]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

Exactly. Does a book contain information? From your perspective only if you can read it. From my perspective even if you can’t read it it’s still information.
 

Now, if you took that same book and randomly scrambled all of the letters and characters in it to the person who is illiterate there is no difference, but the person who can read the information is gone.

I don't see the difference in these two statements. If the information doesn't inform the person then it is not information to them. So in a specific case (the non astrologer) it is not information. Since it doesn't inform the person. This is true in most specialisations. A calculus book is useless to most 13 year olds.

[Troy]

On 8/26/2025 at 12:25 AM, aka Contrarian said:

Does information equal explanation?

Hey man, I went back and re-read the original statement we were debating. Of course information does not mean explanation.
 

I think I got caught up on my comment symbols or sounds being information. My bad. Thanks for your patience with me. 

[Delano]

10 hours ago, Troy said:

 

18 minutes ago, Troy said:

think I got caught up on my comment symbols or sounds being information. My bad. Thanks for your patience with me. 

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No problem the dialogue made me reframe what I was trying to say. No stress.

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Troy said:

I would not fixate too much on the hyper-whte nationalism bit. 

Pay attention over the next 3.5 years under POTUS OJ's reign. 

 

16 hours ago, Troy said:

I think it is just a tactic he uses to divide and concur. He is no more beholden to them as he is to you or I.

Another sign that hyper-white nationalism is very real.  POTUS OJ trying to federalize cities with high Black populations to putting high tariffs on non-white countries is more than a divide and conquer tactic.  Then, he's penalizing non-white countries for doing business with a white dictator who's killing people senselessly. 

 

16 hours ago, Troy said:

Besides there are plenty of Black people who are Trump supporters.

There has never been a shortage of Black folks who have no problems with supporting racists. 

 

During slavery, many times it was Black folks who sold out those who escaped.  Black bounty hunters captured escapees too. 

 

No shortage of Uncle Toms and Aunt Sarahs among us.

 

 

16 hours ago, Troy said:

He had no problem hosting Jim Brown and Kayne West in the Oval Office.  A true racist would not cavort with Black men.

The *smartest* and most dangerous racists know how to separate their feelings and emotions in keeping their enemies close i.e. Black folks and other non-whites. 

 

Along with not believing the system of racism white supremacy still exists, *trusting* racists is part of the reason Black folks remain under it.

 

16 hours ago, Troy said:

Agreed; for we have very little choice...

Right.  As long as folks are unwilling to revolt or fight it against evil, they have to wait on the sky fairy to make things better.

[Delano]

5 hours ago, Troy said:

think I got caught up on my comment symbols or sounds being information

Sound is information

[Troy]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Pay attention over the next 3.5 years under POTUS OJ's reign. 

cotinue

 

...I can't LOL!  I don't have the mental energy to follow this shit.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Another sign that hyper-white nationalism is very real. 

 

I'm not saying it is not real.  I'm just saying it is a tactic. He will use white racists, Black people, evangelicals, the entire Republican party, tech bros, woke liberals, whoever to achieve his means.  

 

If we deal with Trump as though he is purely a white nationalist, a republican, a Bible hawking evangelical, we will fail to stop him, for we have misunderstood his motivation.

[ProfD]

22 hours ago, Troy said:

I'm not saying it is not real.  I'm just saying it is a tactic. He will use white racists, Black people, evangelicals, the entire Republican party, tech bros, woke liberals, whoever to achieve his means.  

 

If we deal with Trump as though he is purely a white nationalist, a republican, a Bible hawking evangelical, we will fail to stop him, for we have misunderstood his motivation.

I'm curious to know the *we* to whom you are referring. 

 

Black folks certainly aren't going to stop POTUS OJ from carrying out the hyper-white nationalist plan. 

[Troy]

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'm curious to know the *we* to whom you are referring. 

 

All Americans.

[ProfD]

24 minutes ago, Troy said:

All Americans.

Gotcha.  That is definitely going to make these 3.5 years interesting. 

 

In real-time, we'll see if *Americans* overrule the wannabe dictator to preserve democracy or allow authoritarianism and hyper-white nationalism.

[Troy]

3y 4mo 22d 23h 18m 29s to be exact

 

[aka Contrarian]

I'm getting a little worried. 'Glad I probably won't be around to be subjected to the final results, but it seems like the rank and file of silent Americans might be coming around to Trump's vision of America.

We can thank the Progressives who are rubbing our noses in the whims of the LBGQT community, and the persistentency of racism, and things like body shaming, not to mention rampant crime.

Being bombarded with  interracial couples, and obese people in TV commercials are turn-offs to the general population which is actually made up of bigots who support "law and order".

 

America, the beautiful

[Troy]

36 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Being bombarded with  interracial couples, and obese people in TV commercials are turn-offs to the general population which is actually made up bigots who support "law and order".

 

Most people marry and have children with people of their own race, but judging by the proliferation of commercials depicting interracial couple. this used to irk me because it struck me as pandering.  I don't think you have to be a bigot to feel this way...

 

I do think the idea of "We can thank the Progressives who are rubbing our noses..." is a problem of progressives.  But if they did not do that they would not be "progressives."

 

[Pioneer1]

Promoting interracial couples on television in and of itself doesn't both me one bit.
Infact.....
In principle....I welcome it as a way of establishing a healthy mutli-racial society.

What I have a problem with is 2 things:
1. The OVER promoting White men with women of color and especially Black women.
It seems as if they're showing White men with Black women on television FAR out of proportion than what these couples really represent in society; as if they are trying to encourage life to imitate art.
2. It seems as if Hollywood's only idea of "interracial" is White with "other".
They aren't promoting Blacks with Native Americans, or Asians with East Indians.
It seems as if they're putting White folks in the center of things and mixing them with the other races.

I still remember Grey's Anatomy where an Asian woman had a Black man as a love interest and how so many people on the internet were hating on it.
Common to see Asian women doting on White men on television, but showing some love to a Black man????
I figured it wasn't going to last long; and sure enough they found some reason to fire the brutha and DIDN'T replace him with another.

[aka Contrarian]

13 hours ago, Troy said:

Most people marry and have children with people of their own race, but judging by the proliferation of commercials depicting interracial couple. this used to irk me because it struck me as pandering.  I don't think you have to be a bigot to feel this way...

 

I do think the idea of "We can thank the Progressives who are rubbing our noses..." is a problem of progressives.  But if they did not do that they would not be "progressives."

 

@Troy I may be off the mark about the cause of my worry  - but not the effect  which I fear will benefit Trump.