Mel Hopkins Posted October 14 Report Posted October 14 Β I love this performance. Maxwell was supposed to battle D'Angelo in Verzus, but he didn't show up. D'Angelo went on and did that damn thing anyway. Then H.E.R. showed up to do this duet - and it was heaven. Thank you, D'Angelo, for sharing your beautiful talent! May beautiful music follow you as you continue your journey.Β DβAngelo, Grammy-winning R&B singer, dies at 51 | AP News 1 2
ProfD Posted October 14 Report Posted October 14 Michael Archer aka D'Angelo was the pioneer of Neo-Soul music. His Brown SugarΒ record turned R&B upside-down back in 1995. His live performances were straight fire.Β Β D'Angelo was extremely gifted and talented. He leaves behind a body of musical work that will stand the tests of time. Β Thanks for the musicianship and music. RIP Mr. Michael Archer aka D'Angelo. 2
Pioneer1 Posted October 14 Report Posted October 14 Man, what's the world coming to....... He allegedly died from Pancreatic Cancer, which is said to be very painful. I hope our brother is resting in peace and is free from his suffering. Β I remember Brown Sugar. And when I hear, for some reason I also think of Domino's "Sweet Potato Pie"....lol. Most of the ladies remember D'Angelo's "How Does It Feel" video when he came on nearly naked grinning and licking his lips and shit, lol. Β 2
Delano Posted October 15 Report Posted October 15 I have been listening to Charade the live versionsΒ Β https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRCLjK5OWjU So him on the Vodou tour. 1
ProfD Posted October 15 Report Posted October 15 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most of the ladies remember D'Angelo's "How Does It Feel" video when he came on nearly naked grinning and licking his lips and shit, lol. That video was one of those music industry executive decisions.Β Β The folks writing checks aka suits are always looking for the best way to *sell* the product. Β D'Angelo was a shy dude.Β Obviously, he did the video but didn't really think he had to be s8x symbol.Β He just wanted to put out great music and live performances.Β Thankfully, he was able to define his musical legacy on those terms.Β Β
Delano Posted October 15 Report Posted October 15 1 hour ago, ProfD said: D'Angelo was a shy dude. Apparently he didn't want to do the video. He wanted the music to speak for itself. He didn't want to be a sex symbol. when the music video blew up, it became exactly what he wanted to avoid. He became a bit of a recluse, gor really big.Β Jesse Johnson is on Guitar on Black Messiah. In the video you can see the Prince influence. I am going to listen to the album. I think he also did some work with Rafael Saadiq and a musician that made his own instrument by combining bass and guitar.
Mel Hopkins Posted October 15 Author Report Posted October 15 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Obviously, he did the video but didn't really think he had to be s8x symbol. Powerful observation, Brotha ProfD! Many women in the industry feel the same way - but again, look who runs the industry.Β I wonder how the music industry would look if people from the African diaspora were at the top?Β 1
aka Contrarian Posted October 15 Report Posted October 15 Not surprising, the only thing I remember about DeAngelo is his name, and a poster - or album cover of him that showed off his beautifully muscular body.Β Β It's also now being reported that he didn't like his work being labeled as "neo-soul" but just wanted it to be music that appealed to black folks. His life and death are getting a lot of coverage on all the TV entertainment "magazine" shows, even mention on the nation network news as well.Β Tributes are pouring in from all the successful black musicians who were inspired by him including Lauren Hill, his contemporary. Nile Rogers claimed DeAngelo consulted him for advice early in his career and asked him to critique his work. After checking out the cuts, Nile told him they were all album worthy. Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β
Pioneer1 Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 ProfD D'Angelo was a shy dude. Β Obviously, he did the video but didn't really think he had to be s8x symbol. Β I'm glad he did it. We needed that. Β We actually need another "D'Angelo" type brother today to offset some of the White male sex symbols being promoted so heavily in the media. The Black youth today don't know what they're missing because they're growing up in a SO-CALLED "multi-cultural" environment but most of those cultures are anti-Black and anti-dark skin. Β Those of us over 40 take certain things for granted. If you grew up in the 70s, 80s, or 90s...you grew up seeing Black love and Black men and women....dark skinned as well as light and brown skinned...being promoted as handsome, beautiful, sex symbols. Today, many people equate muscular Black men like D'Angelo's picture.....not as a "sex symbol" but as someone who is locked up in prison or a gang member. This is a result of decades of conditioning.
ProfD Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I'm glad he did it. We needed that. Β We actually need another "D'Angelo" type brother today to offset some of the White male sex symbols being promoted so heavily in the media. What do Black people gain from our people being viewed as s8x symbols? Β 11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The Black youth today don't know what they're missing because they're growing up in a SO-CALLED "multi-cultural" environment but most of those cultures are anti-Black and anti-dark skin. Young Black people have their own s8x symbols. Β More importantly, they need pathways to prosperity and wealth.Β Β 11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Those of us over 40 take certain things for granted. If you grew up in the 70s, 80s, or 90s...you grew up seeing Black love and Black men and women....dark skinned as well as light and brown skinned...being promoted as handsome, beautiful, sex symbols. It's cool from an entertainment perspective but didn't benefit Black folks in terms of wealth building.Β Β 11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Today, many people equate muscular Black men like D'Angelo's picture.....not as a "sex symbol" but as someone who is locked up in prison or a gang member. This is a result of decades of conditioning. The media does a bang up job of spinning narratives.Β Β Black folks need to own and control more of the media for those narratives to change.
Pioneer1 Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 ProfD Β Β What do Black people gain from our people being viewed as s8x symbols? Β For men: Β It generally means more sex for us For women: It generally boosts their self esteem for them to know they are indeed desirable in a world that calls them ugly Β Β More importantly, they need pathways to prosperity and wealth.Β Β Ultimately, a lot of the desire to generate wealth comes from the desire to have sex or be more sexually appealing. Especially for men. Many men work hard, buy expensive cars, even buy houses....to impress women and be seen as a "good catch" and successful. Why? More opportunities for sex. This isn't the ONLY reason obviously, but it's a major reason for most men. Outside of the instinct for survival, the instinct to have sex and reproduce is among the strongest. Β Β Β It's cool from an entertainment perspective but didn't benefit Black folks in terms of wealth building.Β Β I'm sure the pole dancers and strippers at any Black themed titty-bar will beg to differ with you. Regardless as to how one feels about it (I personally don't have a problem with it) most sistas who go that route will bear witness that pole dancing and other forms of sex work DOES generate a lot of money. Now if they're using that money to buy property and other forms of wealth...that's their business. Sex sells. Always has....always will. Β Β Black folks need to own and control more of the media for those narratives to change. Β More importantly, they need to be more perceptive and realize when White folks are trying to humiliate them and make fools out of them. Even if we don't control the media we can atleast refuse to participate in these humiliation rituals that demean our people and cast them in a negative light. Β I remember years ago SNL did a skit where a White man was in prison and 2 Black men walked up on him and all 3 joked about him being raped. Why would Black men even PARTICIPATE in a skit where THEY are seen as rapists of White men? The entire world is watching this shit. Why would any man with good sense and average intelligence ALLOW the world to see him in this light, unchallenged??? It makes no sense, unless you're dealing with somebody who is simply intellectually deficient. Β
aka Contrarian Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 JESUS H. CHRIST! Enough of the vapid subterfuge!Β A good body is a good body! Stop bitchin and go sign up for a health clubΒ membership if you can stop oogling and salivatingΒ and objectifying women long enough! Β Β
ProfD Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Ultimately, a lot of the desire to generate wealth comes from the desire to have sex or be more sexually appealing. Especially for men. More access to s8x is not the end goal for wealthy men.Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Many men work hard, buy expensive cars, even buy houses....to impress women and be seen as a "good catch" and successful. Why? More opportunities for sex. This isn't the ONLY reason obviously, but it's a major reason for most men. Outside of the instinct for survival, the instinct to have sex and reproduce is among the strongest. That's a broke man's mentality. Β Rich and wealthy men instinctively know they will have more s8xual access.Β Β Most s8x is recreational and doesn't result in reproduction.Β Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I'm sure the pole dancers and strippers at any Black themed titty-bar will beg to differ with you. Regardless as to how one feels about it (I personally don't have a problem with it) most sistas who go that route will bear witness that pole dancing and other forms of sex work DOES generate a lot of money. Now if they're using that money to buy property and other forms of wealth...that's their business. They may be earning a living but definitely not building wealth.Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Sex sells. Always has....always will. There is not an individual multimillionaire or billionaire who made their fortune selling themselves s8xually. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: More importantly, they need to be more perceptive and realize when White folks are trying to humiliate them and make fools out of them. Even if we don't control the media we can atleast refuse to participate in these humiliation rituals that demean our people and cast them in a negative light. Dangle enough money in front of some people and they will do.something strange for change i.e. money.Β Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I remember years ago SNL did a skit where a White man was in prison and 2 Black men walked up on him and all 3 joked about him being raped. Why would Black men even PARTICIPATE in a skit where THEY are seen as rapists of White men? The entire world is watching this shit. Those Black men didn't have to be on the show but that's how they got paid. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Why would any man with good sense and average intelligence ALLOW the world to see him in this light, unchallenged??? It makes no sense, unless you're dealing with somebody who is simply intellectually deficient. Again, people will do all types of sh8t for money. It has little or nothing to do with intelligence or lack thereof.
Troy Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 7 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said: I wonder how the music industry would look if people from the African diaspora were at the top?Β that is hard to imagine the ones in high places seem to propagate the same imagery. Β Sounds like the stuff of speculative fiction and the world of Wakanda. Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I personally don't have a problem with it Would you feel differently if it was your mother or daughter, twirling around naked on a pole and turning tricks in the champagne room? Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Why would any man with good sense and average intelligence ALLOW the world to see him in this light, unchallenged??? Money, obviously. Β 1 hour ago, ProfD said: There is not an individual multimillionaire or billionaire who made their fortune selling themselves s8xually. Β Melaniia? Β Β Β
ProfD Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 13 minutes ago, Troy said: Melaniia? Sure. That can be said for any woman married to a wealthy man. Β Otherwise, a woman doesn't become a multimillionaire or billionaire on a stripper pole or turning tricks on the street or working for an escort service.
Pioneer1 Posted Thursday at 09:02 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:02 PM ProfD Β More access to s8x is not the end goal for wealthy men.Β Β It depends on the man. Wasn't Bill Cosby wealthy at the time he was allegedly slipping mickeys in the drinks of women to have sex with them? Β Β Β Β Β That's a broke man's mentality. Rich and wealthy men instinctively know they will have more s8xual access.Β Β You know, there IS a "middle ground" between being broke and rich/wealthy. The vast majority of men fall inside this category. Β Β Β Β They may be earning a living but definitely not building wealth.Β Β If not, perhaps this is a result of poor choices. Because sex definitely sells and unless you're a victim of human trafficking....you're getting enough money to invest and generate wealth. Β There is not an individual multimillionaire or billionaire who made their fortune selling themselves s8xually. Β No, but there are PLENTY of multimillionaires and probably some billionaires who made their fortune by selling OTHERS sexually. Again, people will do all types of sh8t for money. It has little or nothing to do with intelligence or lack thereof. Β Most intelligent people would weigh the consequences of doing certain things against the money they receive for it. Like we often talk about the Arab men and how it would be hard to find one to put on a dress and play a sissy. You can pay him as much as you want, but he'd be so fearful for his life and the consequences that would come from OTHER Arab men for him doing that....no amount of money would sway him. Β Troy Β Would you feel differently if it was your mother or daughter, twirling around naked on a pole and turning tricks in the champagne room? Β Come on man, you know that's not a fair question because most people will treat their own family different than they treat perfect strangers. That's like asking a person who believes women should have a right to abortions,Β "How would you feel if your mother had aborted YOU?" Who wants to THINK about their mother or daughter stripping, or having sex? Although if your mother didn't have sex you wouldn't be here...lol...but who THINKS about that??? So that's not a fair question, IMO. Β However to answer it..... It would be whatever they WANT and CHOOSE to do. They are adults. As adults, it's about what THEY want to do...not what I WANT them or DON'T want them to do. Β You talk about women being equals. And I agree. So why do you all of a sudden want to be chauvinistic and "protective" when it comes to women in the sex industry? Β
ProfD Posted Thursday at 09:43 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:43 PM 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: More access to s8x is not the end goal for wealthy men.Β Β It depends on the man. Wasn't Bill Cosby wealthy at the time he was allegedly slipping mickeys in the drinks of women to have sex with them? Bill Cosby wasn't using his wealth to get at those women if he was slipping mickeys in their drinks. Β 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: That's a broke man's mentality. Rich and wealthy men instinctively know they will have more s8xual access.Β Β You know, there IS a "middle ground" between being broke and rich/wealthy. The vast majority of men fall inside this category. That majority of men have no problems attracting women.Β Β It is the handful of INCELS who are complaining about their lack of s8xual access.Β Β Interview those dudes and it will be evidently clear why they aren't getting women. Β 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: They may be earning a living but definitely not building wealth.Β Β If not, perhaps this is a result of poor choices. Because sex definitely sells and unless you're a victim of human trafficking....you're getting enough money to invest and generate wealth. We may be communicating from different planes.Β Tell me how you define wealth in terms of net worth. Β 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: There is not an individual multimillionaire or billionaire who made their fortune selling themselves s8xually. Β No, but there are PLENTY of multimillionaires and probably some billionaires who made their fortune by selling OTHERS sexually. That's different from an individual becoming a multimillion or billionaire selling themselves s8xually.Β Β The only individuals who have made that kind of money from s8x got it from a lawsuit.Β They sued a rich man or woman.Β There's not very many of them especially among Black folks. Β 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Most intelligent people would weigh the consequences of doing certain things against the money they receive for it. It really depends on individual circumstances.Β Humans can rationalize almost anything under certain conditions.Β Β 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Like we often talk about the Arab men and how it would be hard to find one to put on a dress and play a sissy. You can pay him as much as you want, but he'd be so fearful for his life and the consequences that would come from OTHER Arab men for him doing that....no amount of money would sway him. Right.Β Their culture does not play those kinda games to the same extent.Β Β AfroAmericans have adapted to American culture which is different.Β Β I do not foresee AfroAmericans turning against the acceptance of and participation in the alphabet soup aspect of American culture anytime soon. Β That's why Martin Lawrence, Eddie Murphy, Wesley Snipes, Tyler Perry, etc. have made millions of dollars wearing a dress. Β 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Come on man, you know that's not a fair question because most people will treat their own family different than they treat perfect strangers. That's like asking a person who believes women should have a right to abortions,Β "How would you feel if your mother had aborted YOU?" Who wants to THINK about their mother or daughter stripping, or having sex? Although if your mother didn't have sex you wouldn't be here...lol...but who THINKS about that??? So that's not a fair question, IMO. I know you were responding to @TroyΒ but his questions are very valid.Β Β It is easy for people to look at other folks as objects when it doesn't hit home.Β Β Sometimes, as the late brotha Joe Madison used to say, "you have to put it where the goats can get it". Β 18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: You talk about women being equals. And I agree. So why do you all of a sudden want to be chauvinistic and "protective" when it comes to women in the sex industry? Regardless of how a person chooses to live, they are still a human being first and foremost.
Pioneer1 Posted Thursday at 10:25 PM Report Posted Thursday at 10:25 PM ProfD Β Β Bill Cosby wasn't using his wealth to get at those women if he was slipping mickeys in their drinks. Β To a certain extent he did,Β however my point was that it depends on the wealthy man. SOME wealthy men actually do have sex as an "end goal" or "major goal" in their lives. Β Β That majority of men have no problems attracting women.Β Β The vast majority of men have no problem attracting A woman or maybe a FEW women, but are they attracting the women they WANT to attract? I'd say a large percentage...probably 50%...aren't. They tend to settle with who they can get. Β Β Β It is the handful of INCELS who are complaining about their lack of s8xual access.Β Β Perhaps, but I think the percentage of incels in this society is growing...for various reasons. Sure there is usually something wrong with THEM; however if society is PRODUCING more and more incels....then something is wrong with THAT SOCIETY too. Nature didn't produce men to be involuntarily celibate. You have a few freaks of nature here and there, but if it gets to the point where nearly 20% or more of the men can't find women willing to have sex with them and that number is GROWING...something is seriously wrong in the system itself to be producing such men (or women who for some reason don't want the men in their society) Β It's like the growing cases of Autism. What's producing it??? Β Β Β We may be communicating from different planes. Β Tell me how you define wealth in terms of net worth. Β To me wealth is having a lot of money AND power and influence to go with it. Β In today's economy, I would say who we would call a "wealthy" person STARTS with having atleast $50 million in liquid assets. And another $100 million tied up in investments, property, etc... But he also has lawyers on retainer, knows judges and doctors personally, and can PROTECT his money as well as generate more. Β Β Β Β Β That's different from an individual becoming a multimillion or billionaire selling themselves s8xually.Β Β True. However MY point is that SEX SELLS. It doesn't matter whether you're selling YOUR sexuality or someone else's. Β Β Β It really depends on individual circumstances. Β Humans can rationalize almost anything under certain conditions.Β Β True. But most intelligent people tend to AVOID ending up in those "certain conditions" in the first place to where they have to make desperate choices. I've known quite a few drug addicts since their childhood, and I can say that the majority of them were mentally deficient even as youth, which made them easily "turned out" to end up in that situation. Β Β Β I do not foresee AfroAmericans turning against the acceptance of and participation in the alphabet soup aspect of American culture anytime soon. Β What concerns me is if it only took a couple generations to get AfroAmerican to accept the LGBTQ agenda, WHAT ELSE will so easily be forced on AfroAmericans to accept? Β Β Β Β It is easy for people to look at other folks as objects when it doesn't hit home.Β Β But is looking at a woman in a sexual manner the same as considering her an "object"? And if a woman looks at a man the same way, is that a bad thing too? Β If that's the case, are our fathers wrong for "objectifying" our mothers so that WE were conceived? Β How far do we want to take this? Β To me, allowing people the right to choose and do what they want to do is the noble thing. Not telling women they CAN'T be sex workers or telling men they CAN'T pay. Β Β Regardless of how a person chooses to live, they are still a human being first and foremost Β Absolute facts.
Troy Posted Thursday at 10:44 PM Report Posted Thursday at 10:44 PM 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Come on man, you know that's not a fair question because most people will treat their own family different than they treat perfect strangers. Β It is a perfectly fair question, as it reveals a level of hypocrisy... Don't you think? Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: "How would you feel if your mother had aborted YOU?" Β Obviously, it would be impossible for me to have an opinion on the matter. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Although if your mother didn't have sex you wouldn't be here...lol...but who THINKS about that??? Β I don't have a problem a married couple procreating of rolling around in the hay for kicks -- including my mom. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: So why do you all of a sudden want to be chauvinistic and "protective" when it comes to women in the sex industry? Β Where did you get that from? Seems like you would have run out of straw by now LOL! Β 53 minutes ago, ProfD said: Sometimes, as the late brotha Joe Madison Β Joe was an interesting talk show host.Β I miss him.Β Β 13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The vast majority of men have no problem attracting A woman or maybe a FEW women, but are they attracting the women they WANT to attract? Β Intelligent, financially well off, tall, handsome, musicians living in the DMV, like @ProfDΒ (where there are plenty of sistas) have no problem attracting women they find desirable. The rest of us schlubs have to settle for who we get LOL! Β Β Β Β Β
Pioneer1 Posted Thursday at 11:18 PM Report Posted Thursday at 11:18 PM Troy Β It is a perfectly fair question,Β Β How is it fair if you PERSONALIZE a general question like that? Β We all know that experiences that involve loved ones often establishes a conflict of interest when it comes to people exposing the truth. This is why husbands and wives generally aren't called to testify against eachother in court. Should a judge no longer sentence people to prison because HIS son may end up there? Β Β Β as it reveals a level of hypocrisy... Don't you think? Β Yes. Among those who CLAIM not to be religious and be open minded, but turn around and impose THEIR OWN sexual hang-ups and reservations on others without anything to back it up besides their emotions. Β Β Obviously, it would be impossible for me to have an opinion on the matter. Β Philosophically, you could. Β Β Β Β I don't have a problem a married couple procreating of rolling around in the hay for kicks -- including my mom. Β Why do they have to be "married"? Nature designed most people to have sex just fine without a wedding ring on their fingers..lol. Β Β Where did you get that from? Seems like you would have run out of straw by now LOL! Β Because it seems that you take objection to women being strippers as if it's some sort of "bad" thing, other than her own personal choice to make a living. If I'm wrong, and you have no problem with it....my apologies. Β Β Β Β the DMV, like @ProfD (where there are plenty of sistas) Β I've been to the DMV a few times. And from the looks of things.....not ALL of them "sistas" were real sistas..lol.
ProfD Posted Friday at 01:32 AM Report Posted Friday at 01:32 AM 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: SOME wealthy men actually do have sex as an "end goal" or "major goal" in their lives. Sure. They understand money attracts women. No need to chase them. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The vast majority of men have no problem attracting A woman or maybe a FEW women, but are they attracting the women they WANT to attract? I'd say a large percentage...probably 50%...aren't. They tend to settle with who they can get. Those men have to find other ways to make themselves attractive. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Perhaps, but I think the percentage of incels in this society is growing...for various reasons. Sure there is usually something wrong with THEM; however if society is PRODUCING more and more incels....then something is wrong with THAT SOCIETY too. Nature didn't produce men to be involuntarily celibate. Society isn't producing incels. These dudes are too lazy to put in the work required to get women. They want to be accepted *as is* like a used car. Β Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: To me wealth is having a lot of money AND power and influence to go with it. Β In today's economy, I would say who we would call a "wealthy" person STARTS with having atleast $50 million in liquid assets. And another $100 million tied up in investments, property, etc... OK. Nobody is bringing in that kinda money using their own body for s8x. Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: However MY point is that SEX SELLS. It doesn't matter whether you're selling YOUR sexuality or someone else's. Right. Porn industry in America has been profitable for decades. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: But most intelligent people tend to AVOID ending up in those "certain conditions" in the first place to where they have to make desperate choices. The choices don't have to be desperate. There's no shortage of highly intelligent people working for thieves and dummies. Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: What concerns me is if it only took a couple generations to get AfroAmerican to accept the LGBTQ agenda, WHAT ELSE will so easily be forced on AfroAmericans to accept? AfroAmericans are voluntary members of the alphabet soup community. They were not forced into it. Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: But is looking at a woman in a sexual manner the same as considering her an "object"? And if a woman looks at a man the same way, is that a bad thing too? There's a difference between looking at someone s8xually and objectifying them.Β Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If that's the case, are our fathers wrong for "objectifying" our mothers so that WE were conceived? There was no objectifying if they agreed to get down on it. Β 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: To me, allowing people the right to choose and do what they want to do is the noble thing. Not telling women they CAN'T be sex workers or telling men they CAN'T pay. I don't believe anybody here is telling people what they can and cannot do with their bodies nor how to spend their money.Β Β I stand on the belief that people should live and let live. Enjoy life to the fullest extent. Β @Pioneer1, the DMV doesn't have nearly as many dudes in the alphabet soup community as ATL. Β
Pioneer1 Posted Friday at 09:04 PM Report Posted Friday at 09:04 PM ProfD Sure. They understand money attracts women. No need to chase them. Β 1. Money doesn't attract all women. Why do you think so many women are with broke ass boyfriends and husbands??? Β 2. Having money doesn't necessarily make you attractive. Plenty of wealthy men are alone or complain about being lonely and have to "fly" women from other countries in to be with them despite their wealth. Β Money is a factor for sure, but not the biggest one generally speaking. Β Β Β Β Society isn't producing incels. These dudes are too lazy to put in the work required to get women. They want to be accepted *as is* like a used car. Β I have to differ on that one. I've heard from more and more young men...including many young Black men now...complain about how the women aren't cooperating or find them interesting. Not MOST, but a lot...and the number has grown. Like Autism cases. They are still in the minority, but their numbers are growing every year. So how long will it be before HALF of the children in America are born with Autism if the problem isn't solved? Same with incels. Something is "off" in society where healthy young men are having a hard time finding sexual partners. It's often the nice "moral" ones too. A lot of the criminals, drug addicts, and some other dysfunctional people seem to have a very active sex life....lol. Β Β Β Β OK. Nobody is bringing in that kinda money using their own body for s8x. Β But they are when they use OTHER people's bodies. Whether it's for sex, or just to look at and admire. Β Β Β Β AfroAmericans are voluntary members of the alphabet soup community. They were not forced into it. Β Neely Fuller Jr. would question whether or not ANY of our actions under this system is actually "voluntary". Look who RAISED us. Β If you were born and raised and indoctrinated to accept that LGBTQIA agenda and constantly told you should not only accept it but PARTICIPATE in it...over and over again....do you think your participation should be considered "voluntary"??? Β Β There's a difference between looking at someone s8xually and objectifying them.Β Β What's the difference? Β Β I don't believe anybody here is telling people what they can and cannot do with their bodiesΒ Β It's implied when you ask a person how would you like it if their mother or daughter engaged in that same behavior. It's a question DESIGNED to put you "on the spot" and pull on your emotions. Β Ofcourse the average man doesn't want to sit up and think about that. Β Should a man think of his own mother or daughter before he approaches a woman for sex, too? Again, how far do we want to go applying the "what if that were YOUR mother" standard to women? Β Β Β the DMV doesn't have nearly as many dudes in the alphabet soup community as ATL. Β That's not saying too much, lol. Reminds me of people in Cleveland who -if you point out how raggedy the city, their only come back is,Β "Well, atleast we ain't Detroit!" ...lol.
ProfD Posted Friday at 11:27 PM Report Posted Friday at 11:27 PM 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: 1. Money doesn't attract all women. It will attract enough.Β Β That's why women who know absolutely nothing about sports will show up at sporting events in their best outfits.Β Trying to land an athlete.Β Β Same goes for artists and musicians.Β There will be women at the hotel before they even arrive. Β Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Why do you think so many women are with broke ass boyfriends and husbands??? Mutual attraction. Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: 2. Having money doesn't necessarily make you attractive. Plenty of wealthy men are alone or complain about being lonely and have to "fly" women from other countries in to be with them despite their wealth. Money allows them to fly women in from other countries or travel there to Bangkok. Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Money is a factor for sure, but not the biggest one generally speaking. The only reason POTUS OJ has his mail-order bride is money.Β Otherwise, she isn't interested in him.Β In fact, she's hardly ever around him. Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I have to differ on that one. I've heard from more and more young men...including many young Black men now...complain about how the women aren't cooperating or find them interesting. Not MOST, but a lot...and the number has grown. Β Same with incels. Something is "off" in society where healthy young men are having a hard time finding sexual partners. The question is why aren't women cooperating or finding those dudes interesting.Β There are at least 3 sides to a story.Β Β Maybe it is a form of autism but some dudes are lazy when it comes to pulling women.Β Β They either 1) expect women out their league to be attracted to them and/or 2) the dudes are boring themselves and not bringing enough to the table. Β A dude that has his sh8t together has ZERO problems pulling women.Β That is universal.Β Β The next time you're chopping up with Incels, please tell them to do the following: Β 1) Make money 2) proper hygiene, dental care and grooming 3) dress very well 4) smell great 5) hit the gym 6) have transportation 7) have great conversation 8 ) have aΒ sense of humor 9) be knowledgeable 10) be a gentleman Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: OK. Nobody is bringing in that kinda money using their own body for s8x. Β But they are when they use OTHER people's bodies. Whether it's for sex, or just to look at and admire. Again, that is a different perspective.Β I was referring to the ability to become wealthy using one's own body.Β Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If you were born and raised and indoctrinated to accept that LGBTQIA agenda and constantly told you should not only accept it but PARTICIPATE in it...over and over again....do you think your participation should be considered "voluntary"??? Nobody is telling their offspring to join the alphabet soup community. Β Of course, momma will *understand* if her son becomes a fruit or daughter goes Butch. Β Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There's a difference between looking at someone s8xually and objectifying them.Β Β What's the difference? To look at someone s8xually is a part of physical attraction.Β That's why both men and women dress a certain way. Β To objectify a person s8xually is believing or treating them as if they are only good for that purpose. Β Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I don't believe anybody here is telling people what they can and cannot do with their bodiesΒ Β It's implied when you ask a person how would you like it if their mother or daughter engaged in that same behavior. It's a question DESIGNED to put you "on the spot" and pull on your emotions. Β Ofcourse the average man doesn't want to sit up and think about that. Β Should a man think of his own mother or daughter before he approaches a woman for sex, too? Again, how far do we want to go applying the "what if that were YOUR mother" standard to women? A man should *think* about it from that perspective before objectifying other women.Β It really comes down to respect. Β Β 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: the DMV doesn't have nearly as many dudes in the alphabet soup community as ATL. Β That's not saying too much, lol. Reminds me of people in Cleveland who -if you point out how raggedy the city, their only come back is,Β "Well, atleast we ain't Detroit!" ...lol. Every major city in America has an alphabet soup community including Detroit.
Pioneer1 Posted Saturday at 12:50 AM Report Posted Saturday at 12:50 AM ProfD Β Β That's why women who know absolutely nothing about sports will show up at sporting events in their best outfits. Β Trying to land an athlete.Β Same goes for artists and musicians. Β There will be women at the hotel before they even arrive. Β Those are SOME women. Mostly the gold digging types. However most of the women at those events are with THEIR men...who aren't athletes or wealthy....and those women don't seem to be interested in getting with the players. Β Β Β Β Mutual attraction. Β Yes, that's a given. My point was it's not MONEY that attracts most women. Some..yes...but not most. Β How many women do you think are chasing after Bill Gates or Elon Musk? These men are married, but that wouldn't stop them from having groupies and crowds of women following them around IF they were considered attractive, given their amount of wealth. Β Β Β Β The only reason POTUS OJ has his mail-order bride is money. Β Otherwise, she isn't interested in him. Β In fact, she's hardly ever around him. Β Which is clear evidence that it's not the money that makes a man attractive. If it did, it would make a woman actually WANT to be around you....not just "tolerate" you....lol. Now money will make a man more likely to be USED by a woman! ....who then turns around and gives HIS money to a man she actually DOES find attractive who often times has little to NO money. But again, money doesn't necessarily make the man attractive. Β Β Β Β Β 1) Make money 2) proper hygiene, dental care and grooming 3) dress very well 4) smell great 5) hit the gym 6) have transportation 7) have great conversation 8 ) have a sense of humor 9) be knowledgeable 10) be a gentleman Lol..... What you just described is an almost PERFECT man, and most men are far from this. Again, a lot of men don't have HALF or even a QUARTER of what you described above and still are able to attract a lot of women. Β Β Β Again, that is a different perspective. Β I was referring to the ability to become wealthy using one's own body.Β Β My point is that sex sells, regardless of who's selling it. Β Β Β Β To look at someone s8xually is a part of physical attraction. Β That's why both men and women dress a certain way. To objectify a person s8xually is believing or treating them as if they are only good for that purpose Β Ok, thanks for clarifying this. The next question is, what person do you know that sees other people ONLY in a sexual manner? I haven't met anybody who does. I've met some straight up players....but they see women as business partners, mothers, sisters, etc..... They just like sex and variety. Β Β Β A man should *think* about it from that perspective before objectifying other women. Β Β I asked the question earlier, who actually "objectifies" women? I honestly haven't met one...according to that definition. Β Β Β Β Β It really comes down to respect. Β I'm reminded of thoseΒ women that you described earlier who dress up in revealing outfits and show up at ball games to attract men. It would seem to me that they actually WANT to be seen in a sexual manner. It would also seem to me that seeing them in the manner they intended WOULD be showing them respect. Β Β Every major city in America has an alphabet soup community including Detroit. Β LOL...facts. Detroit actually has a sizeable one, and has had one since the 90s atleast.
ProfD Posted Saturday at 02:36 AM Report Posted Saturday at 02:36 AM 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Those are SOME women. Mostly the gold digging types. Sure. They don't see themselves as gold diggers. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: How many women do you think are chasing after Bill Gates or Elon Musk? Women don't chase the way men do. There's definitely no shortage of women putting themselves in the path of those dudes. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Which is clear evidence that it's not the money that makes a man attractive. If it did, it would make a woman actually WANT to be around you....not just "tolerate" you....lol. Now money will make a man more likely to be USED by a woman! Semantics. Money attracts and makes people tolerate i.e. put up with whatever comes with it. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: 1) Make money 2) proper hygiene, dental care and grooming 3) dress very well 4) smell great 5) hit the gym 6) have transportation 7) have great conversation 8 ) have a sense of humor 9) be knowledgeable 10) be a gentleman Lol..... What you just described is an almost PERFECT man, and most men are far from this. Again, a lot of men don't have HALF or even a QUARTER of what you described above and still are able to attract a lot of women. That's not a list of perfection. Most of it takes very little effort. Β If a dude is too lazy to meet those 10 requirements, that's part of his *problem* getting women. Β Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: My point is that sex sells, regardless of who's selling it. Cool. Just don't tell impressionable people they can become millionaires selling themselves. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: The next question is, what person do you know that sees other people ONLY in a sexual manner? Men look at prostitutes, escorts and strippers only in a s8xual manner. They certainly aren't looking at them as future wives. Β Black men will turn their heads around like an owl to look at a nicely shaped woman. Β Some dudes will grab and squeeze their nuts and put a fist up to their mouth and exclaim...gotd8mn, I'd like to get up in that piece. Β Women looked at that D'Angelo video in a s8xual manner too. They look at Nick Cannon, Chris Brown, 50 Cent and other celebrities the same way. Β Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I asked the question earlier, who actually "objectifies" women? I honestly haven't met one...according to that definition. Plenty of men and women objectify others. TheyΒ only get together for s8x. No dinners or dates or Netflix nights. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: It really comes down to respect. Β I'm reminded of thoseΒ women that you described earlier who dress up in revealing outfits and show up at ball games to attract men. It would seem to me that they actually WANT to be seen in a sexual manner. It would also seem to me that seeing them in the manner they intended WOULD be showing them respect. Right. They want to be seen in a s8xual manner but not disrespected i.e. unwanted touching nor treated like a prostitute. Β People know the difference between genuine attraction and lust; respect and objectification.
Troy Posted Saturday at 01:42 PM Report Posted Saturday at 01:42 PM On 10/16/2025 at 7:18 PM, Pioneer1 said: Should a judge no longer sentence people to prison because HIS son may end up there? Β They would simply get a different judge to preside over the case. Β On 10/16/2025 at 7:18 PM, Pioneer1 said: Philosophically, you could. Β OK then, I could care less.Β Β Β On 10/16/2025 at 7:18 PM, Pioneer1 said: Why do they have to be "married"? Β They don't I was just providing a scenario to make a point.Β I could have said loving couple. Β On 10/16/2025 at 7:18 PM, Pioneer1 said: Because it seems that you take objection to women being strippers as if it's some sort of "bad" thing Β If a woman wants to be a stripper, I'm fine with that.Β Now whether or not it is a "bad" thing is a different question, to that I say it depends.Β When it comes to humans everything is not Black and white as you like to think about it. Β On 10/16/2025 at 7:18 PM, Pioneer1 said: I've been to the DMV a few times. And from the looks of things.....not ALL of them "sistas" were real sistas..lol. Β I've been to the DMV a lot and I would put those sistas up against any in the US Β 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Again, how far do we want to go applying the "what if that were YOUR mother" standard to women? Β The question is not nearly as provocative as you are making it seem.Β It is simply a variation on "Do onto others..."Β Β 10 hours ago, ProfD said: That's not a list of perfection. Most of it takes very little effort. Β Of that list of 10, I'd agree about 1/2 if it is easy and should be done whether you are trying to attract a woman of not.Β "Having a great conversation" is a skill.Β The same with "being knowledgeable."Β Many people are surface thinking deeply requires effort.Β Both go hand-in-hand. If you find yourself someone with those to two characteristics and a sense of humor, you have gold my friendΒ Β Β Β Β
ProfD Posted Saturday at 02:21 PM Report Posted Saturday at 02:21 PM 33 minutes ago, Troy said: Of that list of 10, I'd agree about 1/2 if it is easy and should be done whether you are trying to attract a woman of not.Β "Having a great conversation" is a skill.Β The same with "being knowledgeable."Β Many people are surface thinking deeply requires effort.Β Both go hand-in-hand. Right. That's why I wrote most of it takes very little effort. Β Acquiring knowledge and knowing how to communicate can be learned. Β Brotha Kevin Samuels left us too soon.
Troy Posted Saturday at 02:58 PM Report Posted Saturday at 02:58 PM Yeah, I was reacting to your statement; "Most of it takes very little effort."Β I would say some 40% of it requires more than a "little effort," like hitting the gym.Β Β For example, do you think the majority of brothers (or sistas) hit the gym regularly and are in good physical condition? Β I listened to a couple of Samuels videos on the urging of one of my boys.Β Do you have a favorite that you can share here?Β Maybe start a new conversation.
ProfD Posted Saturday at 03:56 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:56 PM 52 minutes ago, Troy said: For example, do you think the majority of brothers (or sistas) hit the gym regularly and are in good physical condition? Absolutely not. It's unfortunate. Especially from a health perspective.Β 52 minutes ago, Troy said: I listened to a couple of Samuels videos on the urging of one of my boys.Β Do you have a favorite that you can share here?Β Maybe start a new conversation. I don't have any particular favorite videos. It is the entirety of his messages that provide food for thought.Β Β Kevin Samuels encouraged men and women to manage their expectations and up their game if they wanted better. 1
Pioneer1 Posted Saturday at 09:30 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:30 PM ProfD Β Sure. They don't see themselves as gold diggers. Β If they're looking for men strictly for money, that's what they are. Most women don't...however. Β Β There's definitely no shortage of women putting themselves in the path of those dudes. Β I DARE you to show me a Forbes, Gates, or Elon Musk "groupie" photo....lol. That wasn't AI generated...lol. Β Β Β Semantics. Money attracts and makes people tolerate i.e. put up with whatever comes with it. Β It's not the same. GETTING women isn't the same as ATTRACTING women. A man using his wealth to GET women isn't the same as a man who uses his body or personality to ATTRACT women. Β Β Β Β That's not a list of perfection. Most of it takes very little effort. If a dude is too lazy to meet those 10 requirements, that's part of his *problem* getting women. Β Dress well. Smell great. Hit the gymn. Β This is over and above the average man. Not to say that the average man should be able to walk around stinking and dressing shabby; but most men don't have the time or energy to lay out his clothes like a model, wear expensive cologne, or spend extra time trying to "sculpt" his body...lol. Nor do they have to. As I said before, I know a lot of men who don't fit HALF of your description and have women fighting over them...literally. So it's gotta be something else...lol. Β Β Β Cool. Just don't tell impressionable people they can become millionaires selling themselves. Β I tell young people the same thing I told you, that sex sells. But many of them figure that out anyway at an early age. Even teenagers can pick up on whether or not the boss at work likes them and lets them get away with certain things. Β Β Β Β Men look at prostitutes, escorts and strippers only in a s8xual manner. They certainly aren't looking at them as future wives. Β For that moment...yes. Just like a man looks at his wife only in a sexual manner, when he's ready for sex. Β Black men will turn their heads around like an owl to look at a nicely shaped woman. Women looked at that D'Angelo video in a s8xual manner too. They look at Nick Cannon, Chris Brown, 50 Cent and other celebrities the same way. Β Which I personally don't have a problem with. That's human nature. Plenty of men and women objectify others. They only get together for s8x. No dinners or dates or Netflix nights. Β And I ain't mad at them. Some people know exactly what they want and win they want it. No games. Which is why Treach said in OPP, Β "You get it on occasion ONLY IF the other party isn't gaming" ...but with you, I hopeΒ I DON'T have to start the explaining. Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Troy Β When it comes to humans everything is not Black and white as you like to think about it. Β What have I said to give you that impression? Β Β Β I've been to the DMV a lot and I would put those sistas up against any in the US Β You put some of them DMV sistas up against any "sista"....outside of Atlanta....and that poor sista may end up getting beat down...lol. A SISTA doesn't stand much of a chance against a MISTA...lol. Β Β The question is not nearly as provocative as you are making it seem. Β It is simply a variation on "Do onto others..."Β Β It's not that simple. If this were the case, you wouldn't have sexual intercourse with women because you wouldn't want somebody sticking a dick into YOU....I would presume, lol. So you don't always go by how YOU would like to be treated when it comes to others. Β Further..... I wouldn't treat certain women how I'd want my Mother because my Mother wouldn't ACT like many of them in the first place! She wouldn't carry herself and talk the way some of these females talk, TO be treated the way they do. Β
Troy Posted Saturday at 10:35 PM Report Posted Saturday at 10:35 PM 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: What have I said to give you that impression? Β Pretty much your whole body of expression here LOL. Β 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: If this were the case, you wouldn't have sexual intercourse with women because you wouldn't want somebody sticking a dick into YOU. Β Case in point. Β Β
Pioneer1 Posted Saturday at 10:48 PM Report Posted Saturday at 10:48 PM 13 minutes ago, Troy said: Β Pretty much your whole body of expression here LOL. Β Β Case in point. Β Β Β That isn't an example of "black-n-white" thinking.... It's an analogy that humbles your "do unto others" standard for treating people. You can't (nor should you) treat everyone the way YOU want to be treated.
ProfD Posted Sunday at 01:28 AM Report Posted Sunday at 01:28 AM 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You can't (nor should you) treat everyone the way YOU want to be treated. Do unto others is a moral principle about treating people with kindness, respect and love.
Pioneer1 Posted Sunday at 08:51 PM Report Posted Sunday at 08:51 PM 21 hours ago, ProfD said: Do unto others is a moral principle about treating people with kindness, respect and love. And my point is...you CAN'T treat all people with kindness, respect, or even love. They won't let you. It all depends on the INDIVIDUAL PERSON you're dealing with. Some people you CAN'T deal with at all; you just gotta stay away from them. Β
ProfD Posted Sunday at 10:40 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:40 PM 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: And my point is...you CAN'T treat all people with kindness, respect, or even love. They won't let you. It's all depends on the IDIVIDUAL PERSON you're dealing with. Some people you CAN'T deal with at all; you just gotta stay away from them. Sure. If the golden rule cannot be applied, it's best to leave those people alone.
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