NWA: Surprisingly Intelligent and Charismatic Interview

[Pioneer1]

 

Happen to catch these very clear videos of an interview allegedly done by NWA in London England, back in the day. (1990)

I say "allegedly" because the videos are so remarkably clear that they look recent, as if it could be AI.

Despite the callousness and often vulgar language, their responses are pretty quick and often witty.
They show a level of maturity and none of them are fighting with eachother over who speaks or who gets to answer which question.
There seems to be a "vibe" among them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Happen to catch these very clear videos of an interview allegedly done by NWA in London England, back in the day. (1990)

I say "allegedly" because the videos are so remarkably clear that they look recent, as if it could be AI.

Real videos. Only recorded 35 years ago. Easy to restore and upscale using newer digital computer and recording technology.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Despite the callousness and often vulgar language, their responses are pretty quick and often witty.
They show a level of maturity and none of them are fighting with eachother over who speaks or who gets to answer which question.
There seems to be a "vibe" among them.

Their responses to questions about the music were on point.

 

To this day, olks will point out any violence or misogyny in Black music but it's crickets when they're asked about the same thing in Hollywood movies and Rock & Roll.

 

Back in those days, NWA was the Black CNN of the west coast just as Public Enemy was to the east coast.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

 

Back in those days, NWA was the Black CNN of the west coast just as Public Enemy was to the east coast.

 

And speaking of Public Enemy.......

Notice how skillfully some of the journalists kept trying to get them to diss Public Enemy or say something greasy about them to start a rift?

None of them took the bait.

I'm not sure if they recognized it as a trick of the enemy, or just legitimately didn't have any opinions about PE one way or the other.


They also tried this tactic again by bringing up KRS One was well as mentioning their relationships with Eastcoast rappers in general.
I think they were pretty successful in getting a few to talk about KRS One.
I'm not sure if he responded to them.

[ProfD]

On 12/28/2025 at 10:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

And speaking of Public Enemy.......

Notice how skillfully some of the journalists kept trying to get them to diss Public Enemy or say something greasy about them to start a rift?

None of them took the bait.

Of course not.  Each of those dudes were too smart to fall into that trap. 

 

NWA respected Public Enemy and KRS-One as peers in the game too.

[Pioneer1]

When I look at those videos, it just reminds me of how far the youth have degenerated intellectually.

That news conference was done in 1990 back when all of them were in their early 20s.
Those bruthaz clearly weren't the smartest members of the community but they were much smarter and clearly more articulate than most of the rappers out there today.

Infact, I don't think you could get most rappers today to SIT STILL long enough to do a press conference of that magnitude.

I also believe Eazy E's charisma was under estimated.
I've seen many of his interviews and when you listened to the dude and how he moved, you couldn't help BUT to like him...lol.

 

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When I look at those videos, it just reminds me of how far the youth have degenerated intellectually.

The older generation didn't think much of those rappers. 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That news conference was done in 1990 back when all of them were in their early 20s.
Those bruthaz clearly weren't the smartest members of the community but they were much smarter and clearly more articulate than most of the rappers out there today.

C. Delores Tucker wasn't impressed with them. She lobbied to get that Parental Advisory sticker on tapes and CDs.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Infact, I don't think you could get most rappers today to SIT STILL long enough to do a press conference of that magnitude.

Today's artists do far more interviews than their predecessors did 35 years ago.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I also believe Eazy E's charisma was under estimated.
I've seen many of his interviews and when you listened to the dude and how he moved, you couldn't help BUT to like him...lol.

Many folks clowned Eazy-E's high pitched voice. Definitely had to respect his business acumen.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

The older generation didn't think much of those rappers.
C. Delores Tucker wasn't impressed with them. She lobbied to get that Parental Advisory sticker on tapes and CDs.

Great example.

Ms Tucker was right to a certain extent, many of them did disrespect women.

I can't blame them.
They thought they were contributing to immorality and indecency in the Black community.

Actually, Mayor Coleman Young had NWA arrested when they came to Detroit...lol.
 

 

Today's artists do far more interviews than their predecessors did 35 years ago.

But not sit-to-the-table press conferences like NWA and Public Enemy used to do.
They do a lot of laid back sitting on the couch interviews while smoking and drinking.
Neither them not the hosts are very professional or formal.
 

Many folks clowned Eazy-E's high pitched voice. Definitely had to respect his business acumen

His height and his voice.
Part of what made him entertaining was that he SOUNDED like how he LOOKED.

Actually, his voice is what made him a decent rapper!
Like DJ Quik, he had a hollow voice that sounded well on wax and the lyrics came through clearly.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The older generation didn't think much of those rappers.
C. Delores Tucker wasn't impressed with them. She lobbied to get that Parental Advisory sticker on tapes and CDs.

Great example.

Ms Tucker was right to a certain extent, many of them did disrespect women.

I can't blame them.
They thought they were contributing to immorality and indecency in the Black community.

Actually, Mayor Coleman Young had NWA arrested when they came to Detroit...lol.

I have always found it amusing that Black folks tried to hold Black rappers to a higher moral standard especially when it came to their lyrics. 

 

The same Black folks would watch white produced movies filled with violence and nudity. 

 

A white man kill up a bunch of folks and f8ck several women...no problem.   Blockbuster at the box office.  

 

Blacks folks in theaters grinning and eating popcorn while contributing to the profits of those same movies.

 

OTOH, let n8gglets gang-bang and be misogynistic on wax and self-righteous Black folks were ready to call the FBI. 

 

Somehow, rap music was destroying the Black community.

 

Nevermind the fact that pimps, prostitutes and dope dealers, gang-bangers and murderers were around before rap music. 

 

Also, the same self-righteous Black folks weren't complaining about blaxploitation movies and Richard Pryor, Millie Jackson and Blowfly records. 

 

C. Delores Tucker was probably smoking Virginia Slim cigarettes and sipping on a Singapore Sling while watching those same movies or listening to those *dirty* records too.

 

As brotha Malcolm X said..."who taught you to hate yourselves".

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Today's artists do far more interviews than their predecessors did 35 years ago.

But not sit-to-the-table press conferences like NWA and Public Enemy used to do.
They do a lot of laid back sitting on the couch interviews while smoking and drinking.
Neither them not the hosts are very professional or formal.

Young cats like Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole are very intelligent and know how to interview.

 

Again, it's easy for older generation to cast aspersions on the generation behind them.  The reality is that there is nothing new under the sun.  

 

Same sh8t (game), different players.  @Troy nails it in that regard.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many folks clowned Eazy-E's high pitched voice. Definitely had to respect his business acumen

His height and his voice.
Part of what made him entertaining was that he SOUNDED like how he LOOKED.

Actually, his voice is what made him a decent rapper!
Like DJ Quik, he had a hollow voice that sounded well on wax and the lyrics came through clearly.

Just like blaxploitation movies, some pimps had high-pitched voices and permed hair (jheri curls in the 1980s) too.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

I have always found it amusing that Black folks tried to hold Black rappers to a higher moral standard especially when it came to their lyrics.

 

The same Black folks would watch white produced movies filled with violence and nudity.

A white man kill up a bunch of folks and f8ck several women...no problem. Blockbuster at the box office.

 

Blacks folks in theaters grinning and eating popcorn while contributing to the profits of those same movies.

 

 

I think those AfroAmericans who DO criticize rap music (because they don't do it nearly as much as they used to because they probably figure it's useless now-a-days) do it because they see it as more detrimental to the well being of the AfroAmerican community.

What Arnold Schwartznegger or Sylvester Stallone does in a movie doesn't have nearly as much of an impact on the Black community as what NWA and other rappers who have the minds of the youth, have because there are far more positive and intellectual White characters and movies to offset the violence they portray.
There's more of a BALANCE when it comes to White violence in the entertainment industry.


Another point is.....
It's CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD in the White community that Rambo, and Total Recall and these other movies are based on FICTION.
They don't claim to "represent what's really happening in White America" like rap does.

Many rappers are self-proclaimed "representatives" of Black American youth and they claim to "tell it like it is".
And if all they're promoting is violence, drug use, and dogging out women and calling them bitches...then they're literally saying that IS "how it is" in our community.
Which is not only a lie, but straight up slanderous and damaging.

They're doing more damage to our community and how it's portrayed around the world than even the White racists who used to go around and say Black men had "tails"; because they're voluntarily promoting and portraying all of the negative stereotypes White racists have claimed.

 

 

 

 

 

Somehow, rap music was destroying the Black community.

It certainly helped to bring down the morals of the AfroAmerican community.
Except for a few groups like Public Enemy...it hasn't uplifted the community in general.
It has made a lot of individual artists rich...which is a positive thing...but at what expense?



 

 

 

Nevermind the fact that pimps, prostitutes and dope dealers, gang-bangers and murderers were around before rap music.

While this is true, that type of lifestyle wasn't GLORIFIED until movies like Superfly and The Mack came out and later on Gangsta Rap.
The difference is the GLORIFICATION of the worst parts of the community.

The Mafia existed for hundreds of years, but it wasn't until movies like The Godfather came out that it started being glorified.
And a lot of Italians spoke out against it.

Every community has it's underground and criminal element.
What other community GLORIFIES it though?
 

 

 

C. Delores Tucker was probably smoking Virginia Slim cigarettes and sipping on a Singapore Sling while watching those same movies or listening to those *dirty* records too.

Maybe, but atleast there was a voice that DID condemn it....lest people around the planet start believing ALL of us were onboard with that immoral garbage.

Now the only Black folks who do seems to be the moral voice for Black people are Black Conservatives.
And we know most of them are sell outs and Sambos who are doing this to appease and amuse their White racist handlers.

But why does it take THEM to point out the trifling and ratchet behavior in our community?
Why don't the Progressive and Conscious Black people do it?
Like the Nation of Islam.
They are STRONGLY critical of the immorality and vices in our community, but in a loving way.

We need more of that.
 

 

 

 

Just like blaxploitation movies, some pimps had high-pitched voices and permed hair (jheri curls in the 1980s) too.

Not only that, a lot of them were sissified and acted feminine.
Many of them had a "feminine" quality about them that actually attracted some women.

It shows you how dysfunctional the streets have been for a long time.

I find it odd how straight Black men with multiple children often question eachothers masculinity and call eachother "bitch ass nigga" or point at how this behavior or that behavior ain't the behavior of a "real man"....

But when it comes to Black men who are OBVIOUSLY gay or feminine and walk around switching and lisping, they are silent on them or grin at them and give THEM a pass and in most cases ignore them.

Same thing with a lot of sistaz.....

Many of them are quick to slap a dude upside the head and talk about how he ain't a "real man" or tell him "be a man"; but yet don't apply those same standards to their gay male "best friend" or some gay male family member who acts like a straight up woman.

I keep telling people the brainwashing and programing is real.

 

[ProfD]

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I think those AfroAmericans who DO criticize rap music (because they don't do it nearly as much as they used to because they probably figure it's useless now-a-days) do it because they see it as more detrimental to the well being of the AfroAmerican community.

Instead of attacking the artists reporting what they see through entertainment, those activists should be focused on whoever is pouring drugs and poverty into the Black community. 

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There's more of a BALANCE when it comes to White violence in the entertainment industry.


Another point is.....
It's CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD in the White community that Rambo, and Total Recall and these other movies are based on FICTION.
They don't claim to "represent what's really happening in White America" like rap does.

White folks own a lot of guns. Mass shooters are mostly white.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many rappers are self-proclaimed "representatives" of Black American youth and they claim to "tell it like it is".
And if all they're promoting is violence, drug use, and dogging out women and calling them bitches...then they're literally saying that IS "how it is" in our community.
Which is not only a lie, but straight up slanderous and damaging.

Drugs, prostitution and violence were rampant in the Black communities in which those rappers grew up. 

 

Again, they were reporting what they saw through entertainment. 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Somehow, rap music was destroying the Black community.

It certainly helped to bring down the morals of the AfroAmerican community.

Nope. Drugs, prostitution and violence were a part of the Black community before rap music.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Nevermind the fact that pimps, prostitutes and dope dealers, gang-bangers and murderers were around before rap music.

While this is true, that type of lifestyle wasn't GLORIFIED until movies like Superfly and The Mack came out and later on Gangsta Rap.
The difference is the GLORIFICATION of the worst parts of the community.

The Mafia existed for hundreds of years, but it wasn't until movies like The Godfather came out that it started being glorified.
And a lot of Italians spoke out against it.

Every community has it's underground and criminal element.
What other community GLORIFIES it though?

There are segments of entertainment that glorifies the worst aspects of humanity. 

 

Hollywood movies glorify killing people, goons and gangsters.

 

The porn industry makes a lot of money promoting free s8x.

 

Whatever balance white folks use to separate the hemispheres of humanity, the fact remains that they lead the glorification and monetization of dysfunctional behavior.

 

White folks are literally responsible for dumping drugs and guns into Black communities. They finance the movies and music tied to the effects of it.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

C. Delores Tucker was probably smoking Virginia Slim cigarettes and sipping on a Singapore Sling while watching those same movies or listening to those *dirty* records too.

Maybe, but atleast there was a voice that DID condemn it....less people around the planet start believing ALL of us were onboard with that immoral garbage.

She should have attacked the folks who were bringing drugs and guns into the Black community while dragging on her Virginia Slim cigarettes and sipping Wild Irish Rose.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now the only Black folks who do seems to be the moral voice for Black people are Black Conservatives.
And we know most of them are sell outs and Sambos who are doing this to appease and amuse their White racist handlers.

But what does it take THEM to point out the trifling and ratchet behavior in our community?
Why don't the Progressive and Conscious Black people do it?

Goes back to it is easier to attack the victims than it is to confront the abusers.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like the Nation of Islam.
They are STRONGLY critical of the immorality and vices in our community, but in a loving way.

We need more of that.

We need Black folks who are willing to attack the system of racism white supremacy instead of attacking the victims of it.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But when it comes to Black men who are OBVIOUSLY gay or feminine and walk around switching and lisping, they are silent on them or grin at them and give THEM a pass and in most cases ignore them.

Same thing with a lot of sistaz.....

Many of them are quick to slap a dude upside the head and talk about how he ain't a "real man" or tell him "be a man"; but yet don't apply those same standards to their gay male "best friend" or some gay male family member who acts like a straight up woman.

It wouldn't make sense to encourage a card carrying member of the alphabet soup community to be a real man or woman i.e. fulfill the role assigned to them biologically. They aren't interested.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Instead of attacking the artists reporting what they see through entertainment, those activists should be focused on whoever is pouring drugs and poverty into the Black community.

They aren't just reporting on it, they're PROMOTING it and GLORIFYING it.
Which makes them allies of the very people who are pouring it into the community because they're assisting them.
And the racists in the media are assisting THEM b promoting them and their music.

If they reported on it and talked about how terrible it was like Public Enemy...that would be acceptable.
But to BRAG about how much dope YOU sell and how many Black men YOU kill makes you an enemy of the community as well.

 

 

White folks own a lot of guns. Mass shooters are mostly white.

True; however the vast majority of the shooting taking place in our community aren't done BY those Whites but by other Black people.
They need to be held accountable.

If a crackhead broke into YOUR home and stole YOUR property, would you let it slide and wave him off a just another victim of a racist conspiracy?

 

 

 

Drugs, prostitution and violence were rampant in the Black communities in which those rappers grew up.

Again, they were reporting what they saw through entertainment.

They didn't just report on it, they also participated in it.
But regardless......

Now that they know it was and is a problem are they trying to SOLVE it?

Looks to me like they're talking about it with a smile on their faces like they're PROUD of that behavior.

NWA weren't looking sad when they were talking about guns and gangs in their community, they were smiling and talking about it with GRINS on their faces.


 

 

 

There are segments of entertainment that glorifies the worst aspects of humanity.

 

Facts

Infact, back in the 70s and 80s Rock music used to glorify suicide and Satanism.
But guess what.....
Intelligent White folks took note of it, got together, and STOPPED it from becoming main stream.

They didn't want that mess taking hold like Gangsta rap eventually did.

Intelligent people don't let shit get out of hand in their communities.
They nip it in the bud before it gets started.

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever balance white folks use to separate the hemispheres of humanity, the fact remains that they lead the glorification and monetization of dysfunctional behavior.

White folks are literally responsible for dumping drugs and guns into Black communities. They finance the movies and music tied to the effects of it.

Not that it's a good thing, but racist Whites are the ENEMIES of Black people....so they did what they were supposed expected to do, as an enemy.
Now the question is why are BLACK FOLKS going along with it, helping them, and rapping about it...knowing that's the case?

You KNOW your enemy dumped guns and drugs into your community to destroy your people, so why are you HELPING them???

 

 

 

She should have attacked the folks who were bringing drugs and guns into the Black community while dragging on her Virginia Slim cigarettes and sipping Wild Irish Rose

Now, now.......we don't KNOW our sista was doing all of that....lol.

 

 

"Uhhh.....excuse you.  You don't know me like that."


She was already up there in age back in the 90s when we saw her criticizing Tupac and many of the other rappers so we don't know what she did in her youth, but I haven't heard any reports of her living a ratchet life.
From the reports I've read she was pretty well educated and an activist in the community for a while.
But again, that's just from the reports I've read.
 

 

 

 

 

Goes back to it is easier to attack the victims than it is to confront the abusers.

If the victim is already weak and easily victimized, they shouldn't put themselves out there as easier marks.
Don't do shit to BE attacked, and they won't be attacked.

Like Tango told Frank Lucas:  STOP SELLING DOPE then nigga, and get a real job....lol.

Stop selling the dope.
Stop calling women bitches.
Stop shooting other Black men.

....and then folks won't have an excuse to attack you.

 

 

 

 

 

We need Black folks who are willing to attack the system of racism white supremacy instead of attacking the victims of it.

There's a difference between VICTIM and a WILLING PARTICIPANT.

A Black man who loses is job because he's Black is a VICTIM of racism.
A Black man who gets locked up for selling dope to other Black folks is WILLING PARTICIPANT of racism.

 

 

 

 

 

It wouldn't make sense to encourage a card carrying member of the alphabet soup community to be a real man or woman i.e. fulfill the role assigned to them biologically. They aren't interested.

While you're right.....
If NOT being a "real man" is what she really finds offensive, then why would she befriend and defend men who are the GROSSEST EXAMPLE of this failure?

You hear me criticizing and complaining about how masculine American women are and how much I love African women because of their femininity; then catch me walking around bar hopping with Da Brat or Queen Latifah....lol.
 

[ProfD]

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

They aren't just reporting on it, they're PROMOTING it and GLORIFYING it.

If they reported on it and talked about how terrible it was like Public Enemy...that would be acceptable.

Understand your perspective. 

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But to BRAG about how much dope YOU sell and how many Black men YOU kill makes you an enemy of the community as well.

Just like Hollywood movies, most of the gangsta rappers didn't actually sell dope or kill anybody. 

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If a crackhead broke into YOUR home and stole YOUR property, would you let it slide and wave him off a just another victim of a racist conspiracy?

No sir. That azz gonna be dealt with tough love.

 

I won't be able to, er, have to call the police though.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now that they know it was and is a problem are they trying to SOLVE it?

West coast rappers putting a bullseye on the Crips & Bloods led them to a peace treaty.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Infact, back in the 70s and 80s Rock music used to glorify suicide and Satanism.
But guess what.....
Intelligent White folks took note of it, got together, and STOPPED it from becoming main stream.

Death metal and other forms of suicidal and dysfunctional Rock music still exists. Several Rock artists & musicians have unalived themselves too.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now, now.......we don't KNOW our sista was doing all of that....lol.

 

"Uhhh.....excuse you.  You don't know me like that."

She was already up there in age back in the 90s when we saw her criticizing Tupac and many of the other rappers so we don't know what she did in her youth, but I haven't heard any reports of her living a ratchet life.

I'm clowning. We don't know what she was doing but with a name like Delores....I wouldn't put cigarettes, drinking, Dolemite, Millie Jackson & Blowfly off her radar.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Goes back to it is easier to attack the victims than it is to confront the abusers.

If the victim is already weak and easily victimized, they shouldn't put themselves out there as easier marks.
Don't do shit to BE attacked, and they won't be attacked.

That's like telling women not to wear skimpy clothes.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There's a difference between VICTIM and a WILLING PARTICIPANT.

A whole lotta folks go from victim to willing participant.

 

Ask those down low n8gglets who've spent time as Jay-Z said.."locked up...behind bars".

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

While you're right.....
If NOT being a "real man" is what she really finds offensive, then why would she befriend and defend men who are the GROSSEST EXAMPLE of this failure?

She doesn't see the gay dude as a man. He's like another girlfriend.

 

Plus, she doesn't have to worry about him trying to poke her snatch box.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You hear me criticizing and complaining about how masculine American women are and how much I love African women because of their femininity; then catch me walking around bar hopping with Da Brat or Queen Latifah....lol.

Right. You could have accepted them as one of the guys.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

 

Just like Hollywood movies, most of the gangsta rappers didn't actually sell dope or kill anybody.

Initially, no.
Now a days I think MOST of the rappers actually engaged in street activity to build up their credibility before they entered the rap game.
See, this is what I'm talking about.

The early Gangsta Rap pioneers actually promoted criminal activity and violence to a point that they made it a rite of passage for the modern rappers.
Now if you DON'T have a shady or criminal past, you aren't seen as "real" or "authentic".
So rappers are going out of their way to either brag about their past criminal reputations or MAKE one for themselves by engaging in criminality and street life while making music.

 

 

 

West coast rappers putting a bullseye on the Crips & Bloods led them to a peace treaty.

Which lasted for about 6 or 7 months, before they went right back to set tripping and banging on eachother and are STILL doing it around the nation.

 

 

 

 

I'm clowning. We don't know what she was doing but with a name like Delores....I wouldn't put cigarettes, drinking, Dolemite, Millie Jackson & Blowfly off her radar.

I have to admit, the name "Delores" DOES bring back memories from my childhood of the behavior of the women I remember NAMED Delores...lol.

Just like the name HAZEL...lol.

If I meet a woman named HAZEL or GERTRUDE, I can almost guarantee she wasn't too wild back in her younger days.

But if her name is DELORES or BERTHA or MAXINE.....there's a good chance she spend many a nights laying across the bed naked lighting up a cigarette and arguing with somebody else in that room...lol.

 

 

That's like telling women not to wear skimpy clothes.

Time and place for everything.

Some things should be UNDERSTOOD and not have to be said.



 

A whole lotta folks go from victim to willing participant.

Ask those down low n8gglets who've spent time as Jay-Z said.."locked up...behind bars"

 

I know hurt people often HURT people, but that still doesn't make their behavior correct or justify it.
If they don't like the conditions they're in they should try to CHANGE them instead of MAGNIFYING them.


 

 

Plus, she doesn't have to worry about him trying to poke her snatch box.

 

I understand the point you're making and I've heard the same thing being said for years, however the fact that you and others used the term "worry" is an example of the problem.

A man seeking sex from her shouldn't be a cause for "worry" if a woman is truly heterosexual.

It reminds me of the story/joke about the 3 White women who floated up up to a deserted island.
I'm sure you heard different variations of it....lol.



 

 

Right. You could have accepted them as one of the guys

Not me, because that's what I have ACTUAL male friends for...lol.

Maybe Da Brat can follow me and strut around trying to be a man but the moment I get into it with a couple of other REAL men....unless she can throw a decent punch or pick up a chair....the jig will be up pretty soon, lol

No amount of pretending will take the place of the REAL THING.

 

[Pioneer1]

How you go name your daughter BERTHA, then wonder why she ended up getting pregnant???  

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now a days I think MOST of the rappers actually engaged in street activity to build up their credibility before they entered the rap game.

See, this is what I'm talking about.

False. Very few street dudes have the level of intelligence & talent to become successful rappers.

 

Jay-Z and 50 Cent are living examples of dudes with real street credibility who have built billion dollar empires in entertainment. They have cross-collateralized their success into other business ventures too.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So rappers are going out of their way to either brag about their past criminal reputations or MAKE one for themselves by engaging in criminality and street life while making music.

The majority of them never make it to a fraction of what Jay & 50 have done.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Which lasted for about 6 or 7 months, before they went right back to set tripping and banging on eachother and are STILL doing it around the nation.

The murder rate in LA is still not where it was back in the 1990s.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I have to admit, the name "Delores" DOES bring back memories from my childhood of the behavior of the women I remember NAMED Delores...lol.

Right. Something about her lips tells me Delores could have had another life before she became self-righteous.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But if her name is DELORES or BERTHA or MAXINE.....there's a good chance she spend many a nights laying across the bed naked lighting up a cigarette and arguing with somebody else in that room...lol.

I knew a Maxine. She was community property in the neighborhood.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I know hurt people often HURT people, but that still doesn't make their behavior correct or justify it.

If they don't like the conditions they're in they should try to CHANGE them instead of MAGNIFYING them.

Unfortunately, that's how it works on life until a change comes.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I understand the point you're making and I've heard the same thing being said for years, however the fact that you and others used the term "worry" is an example of the problem.

A man seeking sex from her shouldn't be a cause for "worry" if a woman is truly heterosexual.

It's not a problem if that woman interested in the man. Some dudes feel like they're entitled to any snatch box.

 

The goofiest dudes will even call the woman a b8tch if she turns down his advances.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not me, because that's what I have ACTUAL male friends for...lol.

Sure. Some dudes have stud friends because she can bring him around other females who might swing both ways like barn doors.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

 

False. Very few street dudes have the level ofnintelligence & talent to become successful rappers.

While I agree with your SECOND statement, how does that fact make MY statement "false"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The majority of them never make it to a fraction of what Jay & 50 have done.

 

I said "now-a-days".
Jay Z and 50 ain't "now-a-days" rappers!
Sheeeeit, they aren't even YESTERDAYS rappers....lol.

They're BACK-N-THE-DAYZ rappers....lol.
 

 

 

 

 

 

The murder rate in LA is still not where it was back in the 1990s.

Well, IF you're going to attribute L.A.'s high homicide rates to gang violence (which could actually be questioned given the shady activity that has been going on around L.A. for nearly a century) according to the LA Sherriff's Department, the homicide rates for the mid-90s were as follows:

1992 = 434
1993 = 403
1994 = 416
1995 = 414
1996 = 309
1997 = 267
1998 = 241
1999 = 220
 

https://lasd.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Transparency_Reports_Homicides_1921-2023.pdf 

The alleged "peace treaty" was made in the Spring of 1992 which is early in the year and as you can see, there STILL wasn't much of a drop in L.A.'s homicide rate that year OR the following couple of years.
It wasn't until AFTER 1995 that you saw a substantial drop!
And many believe that this was due to the Million Man March that took place in October of 1995 with the effects carrying over for the next few years.

 

 

 

 

 

I knew a Maxine. She was community property in the neighborhood

The same can be said of "Belinda's " and "Tonya's"....lol.

But I bet you didn't know any "Cathy's" or  "Mildred's" who were freaks...lol.

 

Sure. Some dudes have stud friends because she can bring him around other females who might swing both ways like barn doors.

A REAL stud hates men, are highly territorial, and won't bring any type of man around her female associates....much less a real masculine man.

She's afraid one of her girlfriends might catch the "fever" for the flavor of a DINGLE not a pringle...lol.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD
 

 

False. Very few street dudes have the level ofnintelligence & talent to become successful rappers.

While I agree with your SECOND statement, how does that fact make MY statement "false"?

You wrote that nowadays most rappers engaged in street activity to boost their credibility.

 

These dudes are studio drug dealers and gansgstas. They're like Hollywood actors.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I said "now-a-days".
Jay Z and 50 ain't "now-a-days" rappers!
Sheeeeit, they aren't even YESTERDAYS rappers....lol.

They're BACK-N-THE-DAYZ rappers....lol.

Kendrick Lamar is peobably the most popular rapper in the game. He's on a trajectory to have a $100 million dollar net worth. Nothing street about him.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The murder rate in LA is still not where it was back in the 1990s.

The alleged "peace treaty" was made in the Spring of 1992 which is early in the year and as you can see, there STILL wasn't much of a drop in L.A.'s homicide rate that year OR the following couple of years.

It wasn't until AFTER 1995 that you saw a substantial drop!
And many believe that this was due to the Million Man March that took place in October of 1995 with the effects carrying over for the next few years.

My point was the murder rate today isn't as high as it was back in the 1990s. Clearly, rap music didn't make it worse.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A REAL stud hates men, are highly territorial, and won't bring any type of man around her female associates....much less a real masculine man.

The toughest stud is still a woman somewhere deep down inside. She's vulnerable to the *right* masculine man. I've seen a few of them crack and break in certain situations.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD


You wrote that nowadays most rappers engaged in street activity to boost their credibility.

These dudes are studio drug dealers and gansgstas. They're like Hollywood actors.

Do I have to google a whole list of rappers since 2000 who are either on trial, under investigation, or actually doing time behind bars right now for crimes they either committed or were associated with?
 

 

 

 

Kendrick Lamar is peobably the most popular rapper in the game. He's on a trajectory to have a $100 million dollar net worth. Nothing street about him.

That's ONE example.
What about Pop Smoke, another popular rapper who was involved in the street life and was eventually killed back in 2020, despite his fame and riches? 

For every positive example you give me, I can probably match you with a popular rapper who was caught up in the street life.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point was the murder rate today isn't as high as it was back in the 1990s. Clearly, rap music didn't make it worse.

1. Let me be clear that I'm not talking about Rap music in general but GANGSTA RAP specifically.

2. Gangsta Rap most definitely made things worse

-Dr. Dre's Chronic album and Snoop Dogg influenced more youth to smoke weed
-Tupac influenced more youth to get tattoos and promoted the criminal "thug life"
-Gangsta Rap in general out of the West Coast popularized the Bloods and Crips and helped to promote them nationwide
-Gangsta Rap glorified drive-by shootings and other forms of violence in the streets
-Gangsta Rap from BOTH Coasts glorified and promoted dope dealing and other forms of street hustling

It definitely made things worse.
It wasn't the ONLY factor but it was a major factor.

I won't even get into the damage that Gangsta Rap help do to the IMAGE of AfroAmericans around the planet.

 

 

 

The toughest stud is still a woman somewhere deep down inside. She's vulnerable to the *right* masculine man.

Lol....keep believing that.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. Let me be clear that I'm not talking about Rap music in general but GANGSTA RAP specifically.

2. Gangsta Rap most definitely made things worse

-Dr. Dre's Chronic album and Snoop Dogg influenced more youth to smoke weed
-Tupac influenced more youth to get tattoos and promoted the criminal "thug life"
-Gangsta Rap in general out of the West Coast popularized the Bloods and Crips and helped to promote them nationwide
-Gangsta Rap glorified drive-by shootings and other forms of violence in the streets
-Gangsta Rap from BOTH Coasts glorified and promoted dope dealing and other forms of street hustling

 

I won't even get into the damage that Gangsta Rap help do to the IMAGE of AfroAmericans around the planet.

Talk about back in the day...Gangsta Rap has not been relevant in a couple of decades.

 

The people influenced by 30-year-old Gangsta Rap music would be in their 40s now.

 

They might be smoking weed and tattooed up but I still contend the murder rate is not the same as the 1990s.  

 

Since the 2000s, millions of Black folks have graduated from schools, colleges and universities and built successful careers and raising families.

 

IOW, I do not see where Gangsta Rap destroyed the FBA/AfroAmerican community or made things worse.

[Pioneer1]

16 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Talk about back in the day...Gangsta Rap has not been relevant in a couple of decades.

 

The people influenced by 30-year-old Gangsta Rap music would be in their 40s now.

 

They might be smoking weed and tattooed up but I still contend the murder rate is not the same as the 1990s.  

 

Since the 2000s, millions of Black folks have graduated from schools, colleges and universities and built successful careers and raising families.

 

IOW, I do not see where Gangsta Rap destroyed the FBA/AfroAmerican community or made things worse.

A couple things........

1. Gangsta Rap isn't JUST the stuff that came out of the Westcoast.
Or the shit NWA, Biggie, and other artists on both coasts talked about in the 90s.
Gangsta Rap is ANY Rap music that glorifies violence and criminality and some people may also throw in sexual exploitation but I won't.
2 Live Crew weren't Gangsta.....lol.

Much of the Rap that is coming out today like that Drill shit out of Chicago and other Rap music is Gangsta music.
It may not be called that specifically but the theme is the same....encouraging violence and criminality.

2. Nobody said Gangsta Rap DESTROYED the AfroAmerican community.
Neither did Crack or AIDS.
But just like Crack and AIDS...Gangsta Rap did SO MUCH DAMAGE that it helped to demoralize and destabilize the AfroAmerican community.
And it's still doing so.

Community destabilization isn't a zero sum game where something makes everybody drop dead and leaves the infrastructure in ruins.....or on the other end of the spectrum nothing happens.
There are LEVELS and DEGREES to the damage something causes based on individual circumstances.

When heroin came through the hood....it caused damage and it was bad.
When crack came through it was worse.

[ProfD]

13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Much of the Rap that is coming out today like that Drill shit out of Chicago and other Rap music is Gangsta music.
It may not be called that specifically but the theme is the same....encouraging violence and criminality.

Community destabilization isn't a zero sum game where something makes everybody drop dead and leaves the infrastructure in ruins.....or on the other end of the spectrum nothing happens.
There are LEVELS and DEGREES to the damage something causes based on individual circumstances.

Our perspectives are shaped by the environment and conditions in which we were raised. 

 

I'm from a place that was once considered the murder capital of the world. 

 

From dope to crack to Gangsta Rap music and every other societal ill, my city is not worse for wear. 

 

My city is actually safer than it was when I grew up there.

 

Again, the numbers suggest that murders and crimes in major Black cities have gone down compared to the past. 

 

I'm not hearing that Gangsta Rap music is responsible for the murder, crime and degenerate and dysfunctional behavior that exists now.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Our perspectives are shaped by the environment and conditions in which we were raised. 

I'm from a place that was once considered the murder capital of the world.

Lol....Detroit was "murder capital" before D.C.
Going as far back at the 70s.

D.C. may have gotten the spotlight because it was the nation's capital but there were FAR more violent places than D.C. even back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

One of the reasons violence and crime has ALLEGEDLY gone down in places like Detroit and D.C. is because a lot of the poor sections have been gentrified and are now wealthy upper class enclaves.
Especially in the areas downtown and right around downtown.

Much of the 'hood has been moved to the suburbs.

 

 

 

Again, the numbers suggest that murders and crimes in major Black cities have gone down compared to the past.

 

That's probably because BLACKNESS (especially poor Black folks)  in most major Black cities have gone down also.
D.C., New Orleans, and St. Louis aren't the "chocolate cities" they used to be.
They've been heavily gentrified.

As I said before, it appears that much of the hood has left the inner city and spread to the suburbs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not hearing that Gangsta Rap music is responsible for the murder, crime and degenerate and dysfunctional behavior that exists now

 

And you're not GOING to hear that because most people who are engaged in ratchet behavior don't like taking accountability.
They love pointing the finger at others and blaming everybody and everything EXCEPT for themselves.

A weed head doesn't want to hear that smoking all of that weed is the cause of much of his problems; because that means he'll have to stop.

 

 

"But why you tryna crash out on me?
My smokin' herb ain't killin' nobody!
What about them Somalians in Minnesota???
Crash out on them....shit."
 

 

A Gangsta Rapper doesn't want to hear that his music is influencing young people to be violent and engage in crime; because that would me he has to take responsibility for the content of his music.

It's about blaming everybody EXCEPT self.

 

[ProfD]

26 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

A Gangsta Rapper doesn't want to hear that his music is influencing young people to be violent and engage in crime; because that would me he has to take responsibility for the content of his music.

Well, without Gangsta Rap, we would not have gotten masterpiece bangers:

 

 

 

From an intellectual perspective, I understand the argument folks try to make regarding music.

 

But, here is the reality:

 

28 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's about blaming everybody EXCEPT self.

Folks want to blame everything and everybody because people don't want to take personal responsibility for their actions. 

 

I still contend that Gangsta Rap music is entertainment just like Hollywood movies. 

 

N8gglets were doing the same dysfunctional sh8t before Gangsta Rap came along.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Well, without Gangsta Rap, we would not have gotten masterpiece bangers:

And how many Black men did this music inspire to be doctors or scientists?

Besides J. Prince, how many Black men did the Geto Boys make millionaires or billionaires?



 

From an intellectual perspective, I understand the argument folks try to make regarding music.

I would hope so, because it makes sense....lol.
 

 

 

 

Folks want to blame everything and everybody because people don't want to take personal responsibility for their actions.

Does Bushwick Bill take responsibility for HIS actions when he goes Trick-or-Treatin' on the weekend?

 

.....robbin' little kids for bags.
Until the law man gets behind his ass???


 

 

I still contend that Gangsta Rap music is entertainment just like Hollywood movies.

Which is why the governing body that regulates these things will rate certain movies "R".
R = restricted.
Not meant for little children to watch because it may be too graphic or influential to their young and growing minds.
White folks have sense enough to protect THEIR youth from violent and disturbing images and messaging.
 

 

 

N8gglets were doing the same dysfunctional sh8t before Gangsta Rap came along.

Did Gangsta Rap offer a solution?

Back in the 90s, Geto Boys said the world is a ghetto.
What have they done to change it?

 

[ProfD]

37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

And how many Black men did this music inspire to be doctors or scientists?

No doubt a whole bunch of doctors, scientists, engoneers, lawyers, etc., were bumping that music during their college years.

 

Those same rap artists were performing at their school homecoming events & parties too.

 

37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Besides J. Prince, how many Black men did the Geto Boys make millionaires or billionaires?

We have no way of quantifying how many successful Black men were inspired by their music.

 

37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Does Bushwick Bill take responsibility for HIS actions when he goes Trick-or-Treatin' on the weekend?

 

.....robbin' little kids for bags.
Until the law man gets behind his ass???

Hollywood. Bushwick Bill rapped a verse. He didn't rob any kids.

 

37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I still contend that Gangsta Rap music is entertainment just like Hollywood movies.

Which is why the governing body that regulates these things will rate certain movies "R".
R = restricted.
Not meant for little children to watch because it may be too graphic or influential to their young and growing minds.
White folks have sense enough to protect THEIR youth from violent and disturbing images and messaging.

Black parents had the same responsibility of keeping the music away from their kids.

 

No different than your generation wasn't allowed to listen to raunchy records. 

 

37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

N8gglets were doing the same dysfunctional sh8t before Gangsta Rap came along.

Did Gangsta Rap offer a solution?

Back in the 90s, Geto Boys said the world is a ghetto.
What have they done to change it?

It has never been the responsibility of entertainers to provide solutions to social problems and/or clean up the environment. 

 

Brotha Malcolm X even articulated that athletes and entertainers should not be viewed as leaders. 

 

Entertainers are no different from the media in reporting what they see and/or hear on the ground or make up stories.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

No doubt a whole bunch of doctors, scientists, engoneers, lawyers, etc., were bumping that music during their college years.

Those same rap artists were performing at their school homecoming events & parties too.

They say the biggest consumers of Gangsta Rap music actually are WHITE people...lol.
I believe it.

Although we (AfroAmericans) listen to it more and play it more, they actually pay more money into it as far as buying the records/cd's/albums and pay for concert tickets and spend money in other ways.

But we listen to it for 2 different reasons.

AfroAmericans listen to Gangsta Rap because many of them feel they can relate to the violence and criminality in the lyrics.
Whites listen to Gangsta Rap because it fulfills their deep seated racist beliefs about Black people and RE-AFFIRMS their perceptions of Black immorality and criminality.



 

 

We have no way of quantifying how many successful Black men were inspired by their music.

Well.....
Have you listened to or read an interview from a Black millionaire who said he or she was inspired by a Gangsta Rap song or Gangsta Rap in general?

 

 

 

 

 

 

It has never been the responsibility of entertainers to provide solutions to social problems and/or clean up the environment.

Everyone has a MORAL responsibility not to promote criminality and immorality.
From the Entertainer to the butcher, baker, and candle stick maker....lol.
 

 

 

Brotha Malcolm X even articulated that athletes and entertainers should not be viewed as leaders.

He said that because too many of our Black athletes and entertainers WERE...lol.
And still are, especially compared to other communities.

Entertainers have more of an influence on the YOUTH than on already matured adults.


 

 

 

 

Entertainers are no different from the media in reporting what they see and/or hear on the ground or make up stories.

The media supposedly works with facts....I said SUPPOSEDLY, lol.
Entertainers work with feelings and emotions.
As you pointed out with are little friend Bushwick...he didn't REALLY go around robbing little kids for bags, lol.
He made that up.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

They say the biggest consumers of Gangsta Rap music actually are WHITE people...lol.

I believe it.

But we listen to it for 2 different reasons.

AfroAmericans listen to Gangsta Rap because many of them feel they can relate to the violence and criminality in the lyrics.
Whites listen to Gangsta Rap because it fulfills their deep seated racist beliefs about Black people and RE-AFFIRMS their perceptions of Black immorality and criminality.

IMO, people listen to all types of music for the same reasons...entertainment and escapism. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well.....
Have you listened to or read an interview from a Black millionaire who said he or she was inspired by a Gangsta Rap song or Gangsta Rap in general?

I know many rich folks who have listened to Gangsta Rap and still do. It inspires and motivates them in whatever they do from getting money to working out. The beats are infectious.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It has never been the responsibility of entertainers to provide solutions to social problems and/or clean up the environment.

Everyone has a MORAL responsibility not to promote criminality and immorality.
From the Entertainer to the butcher, baker, and candle stick maker....lol.

Nobody can enforce or define moral responsibilities.

 

The US just killed a bunch of folks in capturing the president of another country based on some made up sh8t.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Entertainers have more of an influence on the YOUTH than on already matured adults.

Parents should have the biggest influence om young people. If not...something else is wrong.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The media supposedly works with facts....I said SUPPOSEDLY, lol.
Entertainers work with feelings and emotions.

Both are in the entertainment bizness of selling stories.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

IMO, people listen to all types of music for the same reasons...entertainment and escapism.

Perhaps the Reality that Black people are just as good and morally righteous as White people is something a lot of racist Whites wish to "escape", which is why they love listening to Gangsta Rap music which often paints a different narrative.
....one of Black intellectual inferiority and criminality.
 

Nobody can enforce or define moral responsibilities.

Religions and societies in general have been doing this for thousands of years....lol.
 

 

 

 

 

Parents should have the biggest influence om young people. If not...something else is wrong.

You're right on both counts:

1. Parents SHOULD have the biggest influence on young people (while they're still under the care of their parents)
2. If this isn't the case, something else is wrong

And the facts are, in this society:

1. Parents DO NOT have the biggest influence over the youth.
2. Something IS wrong....lol.

 

 

 

Both are in the entertainment bizness of selling stories

Can't argue with you there, lol.

 

[ProfD]

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps the Reality that Black people are just as good and morally righteous as White people is something a lot of racist Whites wish to "escape", which is why they love listening to Gangsta Rap music which often paints a different narrative.

....one of Black intellectual inferiority and criminality.

It takes a degree of skill to write and memorize lyrics that paint a picture even if it's dark and produce the accompanying music. Black folks created rap music.

 

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Nobody can enforce or define moral responsibilities.

Religions and societies in general have been doing this for thousands of years....lol.

Sure. They have been indoctrinating and trying to control people. Obviously, it doesn't work on everybody.

 

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

And the facts are, in this society:

1. Parents DO NOT have the biggest influence over the youth.
2. Something IS wrong....lol.

The majority of people are adjusted well enough to function in society.

 

The number of bad and rotten apples in society is small relative to population.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

 

It takes a degree of skill to write and memorize lyrics that paint a picture even if it's dark and produce the accompanying music.

No doubt the best Rappers tend to be EXTREMELY intelligent, even if they aren't the most educated and come from the streets.
Nobody should underestimate or even doubt the genius of a Jay Z or Chuck D or Tupac or Ice Cube.



"I don't know what you take me as
Or underestimate the intelligence that Jay Z has.
I went from....rags to riches, niggas. I ain't dumb"

 

 

Black folks created rap music.

We created rap music but White racists promoted Gangsta Rap




 

The majority of people are adjusted well enough to function in society.

The number of bad and rotten apples in society is small relative to population.

They say it only takes ONE rotten apple to spoil the whole barrel...lol.
Even a tiny minority of criminal minded and dysfunctional people are enough to throw the entire society into ruin.

Let all of the 2 or 3 million people locked up in America's penitentiaries loose into the society of 400 million and see what happens....LOL. 

Hell, just look at what happens when ONE bad family moves on to the block!

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We created rap music but White racists promoted Gangsta Rap

The music industry is owned by folks who would not consider themselves racists. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even a tiny minority of criminal minded and dysfunctional people are enough to throw the entire society into ruin.

The USA isn't in ruin despite having many rotten apples running around.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Let all of the 2 or 3 million people locked up in America's penitentiaries loose into the society of 400 million and see what happens....LOL. 

The majority of prisoners are non-violent offenders.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

The music industry is owned by folks who would not consider themselves racists.

Have you ever met or seen anybody holding positions of power who actually DID consider themselves a racist and wore that label proudly?
 

 

 

The USA isn't in ruin despite having many rotten apples running around.

Depends on where you to, lol.
But the USA is generally a more stable country BECAUSE they have a way of dealing with the rotten apples.
Not the best way...in my opinion....but a way.

Many countries like Afghanistan and Mexico let THEIR rotten apples fall out the tree and roll around on the ground "freely" and you see the results...lol.

 

 

The majority of prisoners are non-violent offenders.

A better way of putting it is that they're in there FOR non-violent offense.

Regardless of their temperament on the outside....once they get inside, they often do what they have to do to survive.

 

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Have you ever met or seen anybody holding positions of power who actually DID consider themselves a racist and wore that label proudly?

Some do. Gotta pay attention.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

A better way of putting it is that they're in there FOR non-violent offense.

Most of the prisoners are non-violent. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Regardless of their temperament on the outside....once they get inside, they often do what they have to do to survive.

That's a part of life regardless of whether one is inside or outside.