Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro Captured by US

[ProfD]

Straight out of a movie, the US has captured Venezuelan president Nicholas Maduro and his wife after launching airstrikes on the country.

 

The Maduros have been flown out of Venezuela. It is being reported that Maduro will stand trial here in the US on drug trafficking charges.

 

I believe end game is the Maduros will be exiled to a friendly country of choice. They will be allowed to live a rich and peaceful life elsewhere.

 

A puppet president will be installed to run Venezuela according to US interests. Textbook regime change.

[Pioneer1]

Just another glaring example of Constitutional hypocrisy.

They say ONLY Congress can declare war but as was the case in Vietnam, Korea, Somalia and other examples including the recent action in Venezuela....clearly the President can go to war when he pleases.

Ofcourse many will claim this isn't a war but a "police action" but that can be said about ANY military operation large or small.
Any military aggression against another nation is a WAR....regardless of what you label it.

But as long as it's not an African nation (Black African), AfroAmericans, or Afro Caribbean nation...it's not my major concern.

 

 

Although I AM kinda curious as to what Russia's response will be.
I thought they were supposed to be Venezuela's "ally".....lol.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just another glaring example of Constitutional hypocrisy.

White folks here in the US are on code and in agreement with these actions.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Although I AM kinda curious as to what Russia's response will be.
I thought they were supposed to be Venezuela's "ally".....lol.

Putin cannot say or do too much of anything on behalf of Venezuela as he's being allowed to unalive a million people in Ukraine. 

 

The most interesting thing about capturing Maduro is POTUS OJ admitting the US will be running Venezuela and making a ton of money from their oil. That's real gangsta sh8t.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD


White folks here in the US are on code and in agreement with these actions.

That goes without saying...lol.

 

 

The most interesting thing about capturing Maduro is POTUS OJ admitting the US will be running Venezuela and making a ton of money from their oil. That's real gangsta sh8t

He's establishing a PRECEDENT.
Bold, unapologetic American/Western hegemony.

They used to hide it and cover it up, but they're using Trump to test the waters and see how the rest of the world reacts when they take the mask off and be bold and open with it.

I'll be honest......
Being an American, I'm not necessarily against the United States openly taking over and dominating other countries if:

-The violence and bloodshed is kept to a minimum
- ALL Americans can receive benefits from this American brand of colonialism or imperialism.

Again, my concern is him doing this to Black or African countries.
He's already struck Nigeria...but didn't take it over.

One dominant super power is probably better for global stability than 2 or 3. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'll be honest......
Being an American, I'm not necessarily against the United States openly taking over and dominating other countries if:

-The violence and bloodshed is kept to a minimum
- ALL Americans can receive benefits from this American brand of colonialism or imperialism.

The most average Americans will get from this situation is cheaper gas. They will not get money, better jobs, health care or SNAP benefits.

 

I'll never be in favor of colonialism or imperialism. People should be free.

 

I believe every country has a right to exist in its own sovereignty.

[aka Contrarian]

@ProfDWe are witnessing the personification of the treachery and ruthlessness that fuels white supremacy. 

Good guys finish last. That's why Democrats and all their inclusive "lifting others as we climb" Liberalism are rendered impotent.  

These "America First" policies will benefit the rich, and the masses wil limp along with just enough to get by. Same ol, same ol. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

@ProfDWe are witnessing the personification of the treachery and ruthlessness that fuels white supremacy. 

Absolutely. It's flexing on full display.

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

That's why Democrats and all their inclusive "lifting others as we climb" Liberalism are rendered impotent. 

Their inability to do anything and silence as the GOP runs roughshod says a lot.

 

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

These "America First" policies will benefit the rich, and the masses wil limp along with just enough to get by. Same ol, same ol. 

Both sides benefit when it comes to distribution of the wealth.

 

The people get crumbs...or cheaper gas.

 

It's being reported that Venezuela vice president Delcy Rodriguez has fled to Russia.

[Pioneer1]

 

This reminds me of what they did to Manuel Noriega in Panama some years back, and Aristide over in Haiti as well.
Didn't even give them the respect of being treated like a President.
Just flew in....took over the country....and arrested their leaders as if they were common criminals on the street.

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

I'll never be in favor of colonialism or imperialism. People should be free.

"Free"????
I think you and I already discussed this "free" business....lol.

 

 

 

I believe every country has a right to exist in its own sovereignty

Rights are granted by governments.

Unless you consider NATO a government...I don't know of any government on this planet powerful enough to grant any country that right.
They are all subject to being taken over by a stronger nation if they aren't strong enough to fight  back or no other nation steps in to protect them.


 

 

[ProfD]

24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'll never be in favor of colonialism or imperialism. People should be free.

"Free"????
I think you and I already discussed this "free" business....lol.

We have discussed freedom.

 

I will always stand on the belief that people should be free to do whatever they desire as long as it does not bring hurt, harm or danger to others.

 

24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I believe every country has a right to exist in its own sovereignty

Rights are granted by governments.

Unless you consider NATO a government...I don't know of any government on this planet powerful enough to grant any country that right.

Countries aren't granted their sovereignty. It is either recognized or not.

 

24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

They are all subject to being taken over by a stronger nation if they aren't strong enough to fight  back or no other nation steps in to protect them.

Unfortunately, a country too weak to defend itself could be taken over by some form of  force.

 

Again, I'm don't believe any country has a right to take over another country. That's just another aspect of human greed.

 

I h8te greedy people especially bullies. It usually doesn't end well for them in the long run.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

We have discussed freedom.

I will always stand on the belief that people should be free to do whatever they desire as long as it does not bring hurt, harm or danger to others.

I agree with you.
However for the sake of this conversation....as an agnostic....why?

The Tyrant or Slave Master would ask you.....

Why should the people have that freedom, as opposed to being controlled by others who are smarter than them and probably have better use for them than they'd have for themselves?

 

 

 

 

 

Countries aren't granted their sovereignty. It is either recognized or not.

OK, thanks for the clarification. 


 

Again, I'm don't believe any country has a right to take over another country. That's just another aspect of human greed.

I h8te greedy people especially bullies. It usually doesn't end well for them in the long run.

 

I understand clearly what your position is.
But again....as an agnostic....why do you take this position?
Why do you hate greedy people or feel that greed is a vice?
By what "moral authority"....for lack of a better term....do you base this feeling or conviction on?


These are sincere questions btw....not part of some "set up".....lol.
I'm often times curious about the mind of an agnostic or atheist and how they arrive at their conclusions and moral/ethical standards.
 

[ProfD]

43 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

We have discussed freedom.

I will always stand on the belief that people should be free to do whatever they desire as long as it does not bring hurt, harm or danger to others.

I agree with you.
However for the sake of this conversation....as an agnostic....why?

The Tyrant or Slave Master would ask you.....

Why should the people have that freedom, as opposed to being controlled by others who are smarter than them and probably have better use for them than they'd have for themselves?

 

I understand clearly what your position is.

But again....as an agnostic....why do you take this position?
Why do you hate greedy people or feel that greed is a vice?
By what "moral authority"....for lack of a better term....do you base this feeling or conviction on?

These are sincere questions btw....not part of some "set up".....lol.
I'm often times curious about the mind of an agnostic or atheist and how they arrive at their conclusions and moral/ethical standards.

Beyond agnosticism, as human beings, I believe we have an innate feeling of good/bad and right/wrong in how we treat each other. It doesn't have to be taught or codified.

[aka Contrarian]

3 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Beyond agnosticism, as human beings, I believe we have an innate feeling of good/bad and right/wrong in how we treat each other. It doesn't have to be taught or codified.

 

@ProfDNot surprising the Pioneer as a black supremist American, is in sync with the narcissist racist demagogue who is POTUS - or that he has to have morality-in-the-absence-of- religion explained to him.

[Pioneer1]

7 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

 

@ProfDNot surprising the Pioneer as a black supremist American, is in sync with the narcissist racist demagogue who is POTUS - or that he has to have morality-in-the-absence-of- religion explained to him.

...and despite all of that bullshit of "not caring" about what I say or type, I'm not surprised that you spend your Sunday mornings monitoring my conversations....lol.

Very good observation!

Thanks for your participation! 
 

[ProfD]

People are funny. Venezuelans are dancing in the streets. I'd imagine they did not vote for Maduro.

 

Let's see how happy those Venezuelans are  when their country run by a remotely controlled puppet government. 

 

Of course, I zero sympathy for the Venezuelans as many of them look d8mn near white anyway.

[aka Contrarian]

@Pioneer1it's not a matter of caring about what you say, it's about circumventing your "set-ups". 

But, continue to convince yourself that obnoxiouness is something I admire. 

[Pioneer1]

21 minutes ago, ProfD said:

People are funny. Venezuelans are dancing in the streets. I'd imagine they did not vote for Maduro.

 

We can't always go by that.
I remember they showed Palestinians cheering and celebrating during 9/11 and even showed some AMERICANS dancing and cheering on rooftops in NYC as the towers fell.

Even if those images are true, I doubt the majority feel ecstasy over the situation....lol.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

Beyond agnosticism, as human beings, I believe we have an innate feeling of good/bad and right/wrong in how we treat each other.

We both know that most of these feelings of good/bad and right/wrong vary from culture to culture, nation to nation, and really in most cases from one individual to the next.

ONE person feels it's innately "right" to have more than one wife but homosexuality is disgusting and worthy of punishment.
The next person from other culture or from the SAME culture but of a different religious upbringing may feel the exact opposite.

However I tend to agree with you that most human beings DO have an innate feeling of right/wrong to a limited and relatively simple degree.

Where do you think this innate feeling COMES from, though?
Evolution?




It doesn't have to be taught or codified.

 

If this were the case, there would be no need for laws, statutes, or religious dogma and doctrine.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ONE person feels it's innately "right" to have more than one wife but homosexuality is disgusting and worthy of punishment.
The next person from other culture or from the SAME culture but of a different religious upbringing may feel the exact opposite.

I'm referring to the internal feeling right/wrong or good/bad from a universal perspective im terms of how human beings treat esch other. Not dogma or doctrine as codified by man.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Where do you think this innate feeling COMES from, though?
Evolution?

I believe human beings have been hardwired that way from the beginning. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It doesn't have to be taught or codified.

 

If this were the case, there would be no need for laws, statutes, or religious dogma and doctrine.

Man uses those tools as forms of power and control.

 

People are easier to manage and manipulate when their thoughts and actions are controlled.

[Pioneer1]

23 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I'm referring to the internal feeling right/wrong or good/bad from an i universal perspective im terms of how human beings treat esch other. Not dogma or doctrine as codified by man.

You mean like sexual attraction, desire to take care of one's offspring, and empathy?
Other than that, what other internal feelings of right and good do people "universally" feel?

 

25 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I believe human beings have been hardwired that way from the beginning. 

I understand, but....and I know this is another can I'm opening up however to get more clarity....when you say "the beginning" I presume you're talking about the beginning of humanity.
There are only 2 basic options to choose from when we're talking about the "beginning" of humanity.....
1. We were Created
or
2. We evolved

You've made it clear that you're agnostic but again, for clarification.....how do you think humans "began"?
Knowing this helps me understand what you mean by humans being "hardwired" to feel these things.

 

 

30 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Man uses those tools as forms of power and control.

People are easier to manage and manipulate when their thoughts and actions are controlled.

Facts.
But who's to say these are necessarily BAD things?

Some Tyrants or Dictators would argue that some if not most people NEED to be manipulated and controlled for their OWN safety and well being, lest they self-destruct.

[ProfD]

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You mean like sexual attraction, desire to take care of one's offspring, and empathy?

Not really.

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Other than that, what other internal feelings of right and good do people "universally" feel?

I believe human beings literally feel good/bad or right/wrong in their actions towards and treatment of others.

 

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are only 2 basic options to choose from when we're talking about the "beginning" of humanity.....
1. We were Created
or
2. We evolved

The most important option is we don't know.

 

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You've made it clear that you're agnostic but again, for clarification.....how do you think humans "began"?

As defined by agnosticism, I don't know. 

 

Of course, that means to me that anyone who claims to know is full of sh8t.

 

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Knowing this helps me understand what you mean by humans being "hardwired" to feel these things.

Again, human beings have emotions i.e. feelings.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But who's to say these are necessarily BAD things?

Other human beings based on how those actions make them feel.

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some Tyrants or Dictators would argue that some if not most people NEED to be manipulated and controlled for their OWN safety and well being, lest they self-destruct.

Who or what gives a human being authority and/or agency over another human being?

 

Parents only have authority over the agency of their offspring for a limited amount of time until they can take care of themselves.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

I believe human beings literally feel good/bad or right/wrong in their actions towards and treatment of others.

That sounds like empathy.
 

 

 

 

As defined by agnosticism, I don't know.

If you don't know, why did you choose the term "hardwired"?
That implies Intelligent Design, in my opinion.
 

 

 

 

Again, human beings have emotions i.e. feelings.

Yes.
However when it comes to having feelings based on how other people are treated....that usually involves empathy.

In other words.....
If somebody wins the lotto for $50 million and I'm happy for them -that's from empathy.
Because unless the nigga was going to give ME some of it, it would make little logical sense for ME to be happy over HIM winning....lol.

If you see somebody get hurt and you feel bad for them -again, that's empathy.
You weren't the one who got hurt so there would be no logical reason for you to feel anything at all.

But empathy makes it make sense.


 

 

 

 

Other human beings based on how those actions make them feel.

But THEY are usually guilty of the same behavior of manipulation and control on a lower level!
 

We can't always determine what's good or bad or right or wrong on our "feelings" because our feelings are highly subjective to OUR beliefs and experiences at the time and based on our maturity.

Most people including those who are poor and living on the streets MANIPULAT and take advantage of others like the tyrant and dictator, but on a smaller scale.


The same man waging his finger at Trump for invading Venezuela and capturing Maduro has shot 3 people in his life, beats his girlfriend on a regular basis, slapped his mamma last Thanks Giving, and smokes that fake ass weed on the regular....lol.

He obviously doesn't "feel bad" about these things; but he "feels bad" about Trump invading another country?



Who or what gives a human being authority and/or agency over another human being?

Power.
Either raw or authorized.



 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you don't know, why did you choose the term "hardwired"?

That implies Intelligent Design, in my opinion.

Just a term to denote that I believe human beings have been that way since their existence. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However when it comes to having feelings based on how other people are treated....that usually involves empathy.

Again, I'm not referring to how we feel externally about the treatment of others.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We can't always determine what's good or bad or right or wrong on our "feelings" because our feelings are highly subjective to OUR beliefs and experiences at the time and based on our maturity.

When it comes to our own actions, internally we know whether it's good/bad or right/wrong.

 

I think we're on different tracks in this discussion point.

 

You're thinking empathy which is how someone feels about an external situation.

 

I'm referring tto the innate/internal feelings as it relates to how individuals treat others.

 

Again, I believe most individuals innately know whether or not their actions are good/bad or right/wrong.