The Languages of Magic

[Delano]

This books is about semiotics and Magic.

It's central premise is that Magic is communicative. Words have meanings that are both universal and personal. There are different types of language games: an order or emphatic request; the response to a question; a warning or a password.

 

Words signs and symbols are communicative. And by strengthen your connection and understanding, you magnify the efficacy of your Magical Spell or ritual. A Grimoire is a book of Magical Spells. It literally translates into grammar. So Grammar and Spells are a fundamental component of Magical Workings.

[aka Contrarian]

Humm. Sounds intriguing. If I were young and energetic and adventurous I would check out this book.

But, I'm losing interest in life.

[Delano]

The theory is more interesting than his application so far. However it is sparking some ideas so it's  worth the price.

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

I'm losing interest in life.

You're ahead of me. I'm either bored, jaded or apathetic.

[ProfD]

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Humm. Sounds intriguing. If I were young and energetic and adventurous I would check out this book.

But, I'm losing interest in life.

Getting closer to the finished line has a way of prioritizing our time. I'm still glad you choose to engage with us here.

 

If there's anything about the subject book and others like it that could stop the series of unfortunate events being inflicted on people worldwide, they should be bestsellers.

 

However, considering the Bible doesn't seems to be working either, I'd imagine these books are more entertainment than practical use.

 

Makes sense they're not textbooks. Happy reading.

[Pioneer1]

1. Magic is real, but I don't think that the powers that be (who practice forms of it) will allow REAL magic to be so easily and readily circulated around in books.
They'll let you put some book out with meaningless rituals while THEY practice the real thing.

2. When people start talking about they have the methods to change Reality and make this or that happen, I like to look at their personal lives.
Do they have a serious illness?
Have they lost a loved one?
How are their finances.....are they broke or poor or in huge debt?

If so, why aren't they using what they're preaching and teaching to help themselves?

 

[ProfD]

6 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. Magic is real, but I don't think that the powers that be (who practice forms of it) will allow REAL magic to be so easily and readily circulated around in books.

Powerful people aren't using magic to oppress others and/or enrich themselves.

 

Just recently, POTUS OJ blew up some sh8t & overthrew another leader & threatened to take another country. Transferred $500 million dollars from stolen oil profits into sn offshore bank account.

 

Russian president Vlady Putin is sacrificing millions of his cousins lives. Still selling oil to other countries. He's a billionaire. 

 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been killing Iranians & Palestinians in his quest to avenge & protect Israel. He's a billionaire too.

 

The victims of these actions are being unalived, manipulated and/or controlled. Most of them are not rich or wealthy at all.

 

It would be interesting to know for whom magic is working.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Powerful people aren't using magic to oppress others and/or enrich themselves.

 

If you understand my definition of Magic, you'd agree that they are.

 

My definition of Magic is that it's occult (hidden) science.
Universal scientific methods that Western science has yet to or never will realize or recognize.
 

Magic is real.
As opposed to fraud and trickery which is often passed off AS magic.


 

Just recently, POTUS OJ blew up some sh8t & overthrew another leader & threatened to take another country. Transferred $500 million dollars from stolen oil profits into sn offshore bank account.
 

No doubt some of what was used to carry out that operation was Magic.
The U.S. military uses Magic.

 

 

 

 

Russian president Vlady Putin is sacrificing millions of his cousins lives. Still selling oil to other countries. He's a billionaire. 
 

Magic often involves sacrifices.
Blood sacrifices.

 

 

 

The victims of these actions are being unalived, manipulated and/or controlled. Most of them are not rich or wealthy at all.

 

Correct.
Many of them aren't taught Magic or even basic science.
Many of them have been kept ignorant to be used as guinea pigs, sacrifices, and work horses.
Taught to just "pray to Jesus" to make everything alright and stay away from Magic because they are told it comes from Satan.

 

 

 

 

 

It would be interesting to know for whom magic is working.

 

Magic works well for those who know it and practice it as good as a weapon or any other tool works when you know it and how to use it.

Did you know NWA or atleast Eazy E used a Ouija board?

[ProfD]

13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

My definition of Magic is that it's occult (hidden) science.

Universal scientific methods that Western science has yet to or never will realize or recognize.

That's not the weapon being used to annihilate and control people. 

13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

No doubt some of what was used to carry out that operation was magic.

The U.S. military uses magic.

They use real weapons and artillery. 

13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Magic works well for those who know it and practice it as good as a weapon or any other tool works when you know it and how to use it.

There's nothing magical about killing people and/or threatening them. 

 

As the resident agnostic around here, you already know I see religion & magic similarly.

 

Like drugs & alcohol & other forms of recreation, religion & magic are among forms of escapism that oppressed people use to cope with their existence.

[Pioneer1]

 ProfD

 

 

That's not the weapon being used to annihilate and control people. 

 

Sure they are.
The Magic being used consists of psychological programing to manipulate thought and emotion as well as advanced weaponry to kill and maim.



 

They use real weapons and artillery. 
 

I agree.
Because Magic is real.

 

The reason you're drawing a distinction is because you feel that Magic isn't real but you consider KNOW that the weapons being used are real because they are readily observable.

Just because you don't or can't observe something, doesn't mean it's not real

Whether ones believes something or not has no bearing on it's reality or existence.

It is still real.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As the resident agnostic around here, you already know I see religion & magic similarly.

 

I understand your skepticism.

However my personal experiences and observations confirm my beliefs and acceptance of Magic and rejection of religion.

[Troy]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Getting closer to the finished line has a way of prioritizing our time. I'm still glad you choose to engage with us here.

 

Ditto.

 

@Delano that is an interesting subject

 

[ProfD]

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because Magic is real.

Just because you don't or can't observe something, doesn't mean it's not real

Whether ones believes something or not has no bearing on it's reality or existence.

It is still real.

Of course, VGQ entitles us to our beliefs.

 

Stevie Wonder sang..."when you believe in things you don't understand, then you suffer...superstition ain't the way."

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Of course, VGQ entitles us to our beliefs.

 

Stevie Wonder sang..."when you believe in things you don't understand, then you suffer...superstition ain't the way."

When the doctor prescribes you medicine, do you try to figure it out....how it works....and "understand" it before you take it?

Lol, or do you simply follow the instructions of one who knows more about these things than you?

[Delano]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

@Delano that is an interesting subject

Yes Magic is a language. Language can be magic.

Music Poetry Oration Art

Some people are unconscious magicians. The common trait seems to be a strong or focused will.

[aka Contrarian]

And, of course, in the  "Game of Thrones" TV series,  the  "Red Woman" brings Jon Snow back to life by speaking a spell!!

 

I do believe you can weaponize words. 

Up until this past year I spent a lot of time on FB arguing with right wing conservatives and on those threads, out of all the anti-Trump posters, I would always be the one these MAGAs responded to because I infused my words with so much venom, this stung them. 

 

Speaking of stung, with the advent of freezing  winter weather, village workers came and removed the dormant wasp nest from the now bare tree in front of my house. 

[Delano]

Some people are unconscious magicians. The common trait seems to be a strong or focused will.

4 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

I infused my words with so much venom, this stung them. 

 

You are using words to effect other people. By putting energy into your utterances.  This is Magic. I have said before that you are an unconscious Magician.

[Pioneer1]

15 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

 

Speaking of stung, with the advent of freezing  winter weather, village workers came and removed the dormant wasp nest from the now bare tree in front of my house. 

 

   "I wonder who made THAT happen......."

 

 

 

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When the doctor prescribes you medicine, do you try to figure it out....how it works....and "understand" it before you take it?

Lol, or do you simply follow the instructions of one who knows more about these things than you?

False equivalence. Medicine can be proven. Magic & alternative realities are different.

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

False equivalence. Medicine can be proven. Magic & alternative realities are different.

Is it a matter of proof or acceptance?

Medicine may be accepted without being proven to actually work.
Magic may be proven to work and effective, but still not accepted for either religious or skeptical reasons.

 

[ProfD]

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is it a matter of proof or acceptance?

I need proof.

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Medicine may be accepted without being proven to actually work.

Medicine can be proven to be effective not to mention the trials & hurdles it has to go through before we can use it. 

 

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Magic may be proven to work and effective, but still not accepted for either religious or skeptical reasons.

Whenever magic make life a paradise on Earth for ALL Black people; free from oppression, pain & suffering, maybe I'll feel differently about it.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

I need proof.

 

Based on MY definition of Magic....which I think is one of the better definitions....the proof is self evident.

Again, Magic is high science that has yet to be accepted by Western or contemporary scientific institutions.

Once a method or ritual is proven and put down into a formula...it's no longer "Magic" but science.

Your computer and the internet would be Magic for those who know nothing of the internet.
It would be like a crystal ball that one could peer into for all types of information.

I totally understand where you're coming from though.
Either something IS or it's NOT.
Word salads and trying to pour syrup on shit don't turn them into pancakes....lol.
 

 

 

 

Medicine can be proven to be effective not to mention the trials & hurdles it has to go through before we can use it. 
 

The covid vaccine has been accepted as medicine although it wasn't proven to work.
 

Then you have the placebos.
These are sugar or salt pills that scientists and doctors KNOW are inert and don't work in and of themselves.
What works is the MIND or BODY and those pills influence the mind.


 

Whenever magic make life a paradise on Earth for ALL Black people; free from oppression, pain & suffering, maybe I'll feel differently about it.
 

Lol....
There are some Black people who don't need to be on that type of Earth.
They'd try to fuck it up like they fucked up their lives and environment before.
They are trouble makers.
 

Tupac wondered if Heaven had a ghetto.
If it did...would it still be considered "Heaven"?

 

[ProfD]

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Based on MY definition of Magic....which I think is one of the better definitions....the proof is self evident.

Again, Magic is high science that has yet to be accepted by Western or contemporary scientific institutions.

As long as it is working for and not against you...roll with it.

 

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I totally understand where you're coming from though.
Either something IS or it's NOT.
Word salads and trying to pour syrup on shit don't turn them into pancakes....lol.

Right.  As a foodie, I'm particular about what I consume.  No sh8t.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The covid vaccine has been accepted as medicine although it wasn't proven to work.
 

Then you have the placebos.
These are sugar or salt pills that scientists and doctors KNOW are inert and don't work in and of themselves.

Sure.  Some things come with the territory especially in a situation over which one has little or no control.

 

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

What works is the MIND or BODY and those pills influence the mind.

As adults, we do have agency over what we put into our bodies & minds.

 

8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are some Black people who don't need to be on that type of Earth.
They'd try to fuck it up like they fucked up their lives and environment before.
They are trouble makers.

That can be said for people of all races.  Every group has their own versions of "Can't Get Right".

 

The cool thing about this life from my vantage point is that it is relatively easy to get away from foolishness.

 

[Pioneer1]

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

That can be said for people of all races.  Every group has their own versions of "Can't Get Right".

 

While this is the case, one of the unique and rather unfortunate things about the AfroAmerican situation is we don't have the liberty to DEAL WITH our "fuck ups" like a lot of other communities do.
Many other communities, especially White communities...have institutions and organization in place to identify and isolate their weakest links and either isolate them or "recycle" them....lol.
When it comes to OUR trash.....
The racists often protect them and in some cases even give them a record deal or television show to spread their filth and foolishness.

 

[ProfD]

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

While this is the case, one of the unique and rather unfortunate things about the AfroAmerican situation is we don't have the liberty to DEAL WITH our "fuck ups" like a lot of other communities do.

Sure we could.  We choose not to abort (proverbially) or drop squad them.  We are so loving & forgiving & don't snitch, etc. 

 

I'm sure you've seen and/or heard of those situations where a n8gglet has multiple bodies on him...stone cold killer. 

 

Yet, his goofy azz momma will be in court snottin, hollerin' & cryin that her *baby*, a grow azz n8gglet who looks like bigfoot, didn't kill all of those people,

 

Grown azz men won't check n8gglets for doing foul sh8t.  They just shake their heads & keep it moving.

 

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The racists often protect them and in some cases even give them a record deal or television show to spread their filth and foolishness.

FBA/AfroAmericans are not obligated to consumed that sh8t either.  Our people need to take more personal accountability & responsibility.  Stop making excuses.

 

 

[Delano]

The following are three Magicians.

John Dee - Advisor to Royalty Mathematician Cartography 

Benjamin Banneker - Designed Washington DC-

Isaac Newton - Invented Calculus, put ridges on coins, when he was the Master of the Mint 

 

All of them were well read and had a massive effect on their country.

 

Not all magicians are like media portrayals.

Almost forgot Aleister Crowley.

One if the first people to climb K2 in the Himalayas without Oxygen.