Netflix: The New Segregation In Entertainment?

[Pioneer1]

I've been noticing a trend over the past decade of how so many AfroAmerican movies and television shows debut on Netflix as opposed to the major theaters and broadcasting channels now.

This reminds me of how as a kid all of the major television networks like NBC, ABC, and CBS featured Black television shows and movies not only through out the day but also in primetime.  Then starting around the mid-90s they started systematically taking Black television shows and movies and "relocating" them to networks like UPN and the CW channel.
And then moved  many of them off completely.

It's getting to the point that every time I see an article about a new Black television show, I start skimming over the words until I see "Netflix" in the article because I know that's where I'll have to go if I want to see it.

Yet at the same time Latinos have 2 major television networks (Univision and Telemundo) that Latinos from one end of the United States to the other can sit down and freely enjoy watching without passwords, fees, or subscriptions.

 

 

[ProfD]

BET, OWN, TV One & Bounce to name a few could host Black content

 

Same goes for movie theaters if Magic Johnson is still in that business. 

 

No need to wait or rely on broadcast or cable TV or a streaming platformed to host Black TV shows & movies.

 

There is room for more outlets even if it means .establishing a new streaming platform.

[Pioneer1]

One of the problems with BET, Bounce, and the others is that they are CABLE channels and you need a subscription to view them.

We should have BEEN had a Black nationally broadcasted channel that you can see for free on any television device like Latinos have.
It should be as simple as sitting down and turning on ANY television to watch our programs and communicate with eachother.

No subscriptions, funny passwords, denial of service in the area, etc....

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

One of the problems with BET, Bounce, and the others is that they are CABLE channels and you need a subscription to view them.

Gotcha. A free Black channel would be ideal. Especially if our people would use it constructively.

 

[admin]

On 3/23/2026 at 4:56 AM, Pioneer1 said:

freely enjoy watching without passwords, fees, or subscriptions.

 

Content is never free Bruh.  I'm sure those stations have tons of commercials.  Today my tolerance for commercials is zero.  YouTube is unwatchable without a paid subscription.

 

I rather just go on a pay for a subscription of commercial free quality content. I'm just Glad you no longer have to pay for a ton of stuff you never watch the way it was with cable.

I'm sure you tech savvy folk know Amazon sells these boxes that allow you to watch pretty much anything you want for free.  I don't use that because I don't watch that much TV.

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1

First to delete false claims. Television + Univision are not latin american owned, in the same BET which is owned by Skydance is not Black american owned. I could ask why a black person in modern times, seeks to create a false impotency in speaking on the black populace in the usa compared to other non white european populaces. but i will not. The USA is white european owned circa ninety percent. 

 

In February 2020, Searchlight Capital Partners and ForgeLight acquired a 64% majority stake in Univision, with Televisa keeping their 36% minority stake.

Searchlight was founded by Eric Zinterhofer , Oliver Haarmann , Erol Uzumeri 

Forgelight I don't know who they are, but they do not sound latin american.

NBCUniversal owns Telemundo completely, NBCUniversal is not latino. 

So your decision to knock down the black populace using another non white european populace is false.

 

@ProfD 

OWN , the oprah winfrey network is not black owned. 

Warner Bros. Discovery Global Linear Networks (95%)
Harpo Productions (5%)

Skydance owns Warner Bros. , Skydance is not black. Oprah WInfrey owns five percent of the OWN Network.

 

Bounce TV is owned by the Scripps Network, Scripps is white. Jonathan KAtz founded Bounce, he is white. 

 

I knew Magic Johnson didn't own magic johnson theaters anymore, why didn't you profd? 

While the chain still bears Johnson's name, he is no longer actively involved in the management committee, strategic planning, operations, or public relations.

It is part of the Lows cineplex entertainment company. 

 

Now TVOne is black owned, from a black woman in the washington DC area I think.

Originally launched as a joint venture with Comcast, Urban One would acquire the former's stake in 2015. So it started as a joint venture like OWN but is completely black owned now. 

 

SO, of the media enterprises mentioned in this post only one is black owned. only one is not white european owned. 

Now, can TV One do better?  all firms can, from a raw accounting perspective. But, TV One is doing great in my view. Considering the entertainment industry in the USA is very conglomerated now. The existence of TV One is really against the grain. That is why magic johnson , oprah and others all sold their shares to big firms gobbling. 

As I said, Netflix was given a favor by Skydance, who now owns paramount + warner bros + discovery and whatever else those firms gobbled before. 

NEtflix wanted globally known intellectual properties, but I argue adding all that debt would had been a mistake and skydance will have a lot of internal manipulation with all they own now. 

 

@admin 

so many people are tired of commercials, but here is the big problem, subscription is a terrible business model for publicly traded entertainment firms. the problem with subscription as nassr al khaleefi, ceo of beinsports said, I paraphrase, the only way to make continual monetary growth  is to add on subscribers but the global economy has a limit on how much growth can exist in that way, while a free app with commercials, the same like network television but with apps, can grow continually because with quality content you can raise the advertising fees overtime. But trying to do both is going to lose out over time, no one wants to pay for a service with commercials. 

 

 

@Pioneer1 

I comprehend your frustration, like james Forten 250 years ago, you have embraced the usa and both of you show a desire to compete side the other people in the usa financially, while in the legal confines. Thus your desire to suggest impotency , not to stymie but to inspire through negative critique. I get it. but be easy. patience is a virtue. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

 

OWN , the oprah winfrey network is not black owned. 

 

Bounce TV is owned by the Scripps Network, Scripps is white. Jonathan KAtz founded Bounce, he is white. 

 

I knew Magic Johnson didn't own magic johnson theaters anymore, why didn't you profd? 

Never underestimate what I know.

 

The point I was making is that Black folks do have outlets &/or some level of influence over them.

 

There's nothing to prevent Black folks from investing in more platforms if there is a real desire to do so.

 

TV One is but one an example. Tyler Perry owns a whole movie production set-up in Georgia.

 

I'm never going to be defeated into believing Black folks cannot afford to establish anything of benefit &/or importance to us.

 

Black development in any industry is a  matter of desire & will. The resources exist.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

I have never underestimated, you said and I quote 

On 3/23/2026 at 6:02 AM, ProfD said:

if Magic Johnson is still in that business. 

you used the word IF right, that means you don't know or are unsure... that isn't me underestimating and I think anyone would evenly ask, why didn't you know. 

 

20 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The point I was making is that Black folks do have outlets &/or some level of influence over them.

 

I didn't refute that point, which also was pioneer's point, but I cleared up the falsities that either one of you alluded. 

22 minutes ago, ProfD said:

There's nothing to prevent Black folks from investing in more platforms if there is a real desire to do so.

 

There's nothing, that isn't true. Most black people in the usa are still near the financial level their enslaved forebears were, which is by design by whites, not an accident by white planning and an honest financial position not an excuse. White people didn't get rich absent criminal activities, so it is a financial insult to suggest black people can blossom in majority with less opportunity and yes, taking land and enslaving other and cheating others are financial opportunities that matter. 

Fiscal poverty is powerful. What does desire have to do with anything? 

I go back to James Forten, again, black man, living at the time of george washington, business owner. 

Yes, Profd, business owner, white people certified. But, the larger black populace, has always been a different financia reality than the blacks with money. And as this community has already made established, blacks with money couldn't even push to make sure they only sent people to historical black colleges so... 

are blacks with money not investing in the black populace to their utmost? yes. 

But, the gap between the black 1% and the black 99% has always been the widest fiscal gap of any populace in the usa. 

to restate, the gap between the nonblack 1%(whether female/latino/christian / other) and the non black 99% is smaller than the gap between the black 1% and the black 99%. 

31 minutes ago, ProfD said:

TV One is but one an example. Tyler Perry owns a whole movie production set-up in Georgia.

yes and he sold his prior studio to a white latino. 

 

31 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I'm never going to be defeated into believing Black folks cannot afford to establish anything of benefit &/or importance to us.

 

I am glad, in my own mind, I am not trying to bring down any black person's hope BUT when it comes to money , when it comes to the USA , the reality is, we blacks have a lying problem. this very post started with a false financial evaluation pioneer, which you didn't even point out. 

Are black people in the usa today, circa 2026, financially  better than anytime in the past, on average or the whole? the answer is yes. 

But, black people have always been limited to legal civil financial growth by the non blacks. Again NYC, irish/italians/white jews/chinese/white latinos all to this day each not only commit more financial crimes  than black people but have protection from law enforcement for said crimes.  Black people are the penultimate, nearest above the least,  criminal plus least illegal actors in the usa, the first is the native american whose financial position is the worst of any group in the usa. 

White jews and italians burned down the entire bronx, to get insurance money and yet, to this day, you still have black people talking about how, black people can't  Where was the cops while the bronx was burning? oh right, the cops are the cousins to the italian and white jewish landowners. 

the biggest financial crime black people had was the numbers and we had to give the italian mob a cut of that. 

the italian mob which financed the golden gate bridge, through the bank of america, formerly the bank of italy, was able to earn financial fortunes over crimes covering the entire shipping industry/construction industry/gambling industry...  the irish/ the white jews/the white latino/ the white asian  ala chinese all did and do likewise. 

I never see the NYPD who always seem interested in hording around congregations of unarmed black children find their way to stopping any crimes from the non black so... that is how nonblack populaces financially grow. 

They don't admit it. But it is the truth, it is the truth to how the usa works. 

Black people will never get law enforcement in the usa which is not black and moreover has tons of self hating blacks in it in modernity , to cover for any financial crimes. That cover is how others have afforded the ability to truly grow financially. 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Black development in any industry is a  matter of desire & will. The resources exist.

no profd, in the usa , white development in any industry has always been a matter of financial growth through criminal means. White people didnt just desire and will, they were allowed to act criminally, which is a big deal in a country that purports to be against illegal activity.  

Black people can't will or desire through phenotypical bias. That is the point of phenotypical bias. 

 

[ProfD]

8 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

There's nothing, that isn't true. Most black people in the usa are still near the financial level their enslaved forebears were..

FBA/AfroAmericans have come a long way between slavery & the present. Especially compared to Black folks who have lived in their own countries over the same period of time.

 

8 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

yes and he sold his prior studio to a white latino. 

The fact that Tyler Perry  who wasn't born wealthy has been able to amass a fortune significant enough to buy studios is an accomplishment.

 

8 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I am glad, in my own mind, I am not trying to bring down any black person's hope BUT when it comes to money , when it comes to the USA , the reality is, we blacks have a lying problem. this very post started with a false financial evaluation pioneer, which you didn't even point out. 

Are black people in the usa today, circa 2026, financially  better than anytime in the past, on average or the whole? the answer is yes. 

But, black people have always been limited to legal civil financial growth by the non blacks.

I'm glad so many FBA/AfroAmericans who were not born wealthy have been able to make a lot of money here in the USA.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

FBA/AfroAmericans have come a long way between slavery & the present. Especially compared to Black folks who have lived in their own countries over the same period of time.

That is a large suggestion... I don't know... 100% your correct that the condition of 99% of black people in the usa 1865 who were completely enslaved, which means financially whites made sure said black percentage had, no money, no bank account, no inheritance, no knowledge of fiscal concerns like a contract or ledger ; educationally means [not through laziness but white power], no ability to read, no ability to write, no knowledge of their forebears, no knowledge of their populaces intricacies[enslaved black people were born enslaved, they didn't know about haiti a land made by DOSers, abyssinia the only part of africa not a european colony, the larger DOS populaces in south america, knowledge of monrovia or freetown, in modernity yes, a black person can say what we know but 1865 most black people in the usa didn't have any knowledge of black people outside of their slave quarter, they didn't know of the gens de colour of new orleans unless they were actually from new orleans which wasn't most black people by a large distance in the usa] ; Culturally, what we grow or are growing to,  means [ through white power again]: no direction[and this is huge, again in modernity black people talk about american alot, but in 1865 our forebears weren't american. they wanted to be free yes, but they didn't associate freedom with the usa. this is something we tend to miss today. Our forebears in 1865 didn't want to be president, didn't want fight with whites, didn't want to live with whites, so the fact that a majority of us in the usa do now, means black people made choices BUT they made choices absent all the things in this paragraph i wrote, which are influential. Hell, I argue, most black people at the end of the war between the states, when the usa's modern midwestern/western states were all still territories should had moved en mass to canada. And I know that Frederick Douglass opposed Harriet Tubman because tubman wanted black people to go all the way up north to canada but frederick douglass, very statian, was looking to his individual benefit and knew that whites in the usa have always disliked the idea of Black DOSers leaving this country with hateful hearts in mass for obvious reasons. But Tubman was correct, the better culture for black people circa 1865 was in canada rather than the usa, canada 1865 isn't the canada of today. Canada in 1865 is very much a country place, hard to live but a place black dosers from the usa could had made a home, yes nothing is easy, but it was the better choice and absent all the things mentioned we were able to be manipulated by black individuals or the white populist to make foolish/dysfunctional choices]

 

So, yes, the Black DOS populace today has definitely grown from the conditions of 1865, look at this very forum. Modern Black people are like Common's character in the movie Alice and Alice in the film Alice is like black people of 1865. They would be shocked at us on alot of levels based on their life experiences. 

BUT, the way or style of growth of DOSers has a lot of negative aspects that don't come from DOSers but the environment. 

I argue, that black DOSers lost more than we ever gained from 1865 to today. Rosewood the black financial capitol of florida, white people commited crimes, no one white to jail or a court room, black people in florida have never recovered. Greenwood, the black financial capitol of oklahoma, white people committed crimes, no one white to jail or a court room, black people in oklahoma never recovered. Faubourg treme, an educational capitol of black people in the usa , was assaulted by whites cut up, burned down, never recovered. Madame CJ Walker yes, fiscally wealthy but NYC did everything in its power to diminish black financial growth , including burning harlem, driving black people into prison with made up charges... I think black people today love to look on the bright side but the honest side is the better place. This goes back to frederick douglass side harriet tubman. Douglass felt that going through all these hurdles was a positive and Tubman was correct, lets get away from this place, so we can live in peace. from 1865 to 2026 we as a people have daily, not yearly or monthly but daily had to deal with white abuse, what is so valuable about that? 

That white abuse... the white men who killed malcolm's father never went to jail, no one knows who they are... going through these white hurdles from 1865 in the usa makes Black DOSers fools. 

 

So... yes Black DOSers have come a long way, but was it a wise way, was it an honest way, was it a black way... or was it a liars way, was it a fool's way, was it the white mans chosen way for us?

And is the path the white man laid for us better in comparison to a path we laid for ourselves. 

Many black people will argue that the immigration to the usa is a sign of usa greatness, but I always counter with a simple truth, the usa makes the rest of the world poor. 

The usa had stolen/kidnapped/murdered many leaders of haiti from toussaint louverture to a recent president, acts that the usa would call an act of war but somehow when the usa does it, it isn't an act of war... stole haiti's gold which again, the usa would call an act of war but... the hit list of countries the usa has done similar too: killed/stole/destroyed is very long

 

Mexico/Nicaragua/China/Japan/Vietnam/Korea/Afghanistan/Libya/Iraq/Iran/Congo/Germany/Argentina/Brasil/Chile/Phillipines/Cuba/The palestinean protectorate of the british empire/Uganda/Ghana/Canada

 

Building from the ground up is easy when you have land you can steal like First peoples of the american continet, when you have enslaved other human beings, like Black DOSer forebears... when you have the country who destroyed yours completely, provide the rich people who led the wars against said country so that you and the rest of the poor don't oppose said country, like Germany/Japan/France/Italy.....I can't think of any government in modern human history that actually built from the ground up and became a world leader or fiscally potent. 

USA had stolen land and enslaved labor, the best of everything to grow. 

China got the entire global manufacturing industry as a gift by the usa to separate them from russia in the cold war

Russia as the Union of Soviet Socialist republics used the end of the second european imperial war to grow their influence and control, the usa had aided them at he begining of said war cause the usa couldn't beat germany+ japan alone. And the USSR was trying to reclaim the lands of the russian empire which were larger. 

Japan made to rubble by the usa was given a legendary welfare check by the usa so they wouldn't join the ussr. 

Germany,made to rubble by the usa completely,  in its west side, was given a legendary welfare check by the usa so they wouldn't join the ussr. 

France made to rubble by war, all sides, was given a legendary welfare check by the usa so they wouldn't join the ussr. 

India was given money by the usa + ussr to picka side , in the end, india didn't pick either and still hasn't, and still does business with both. thus india didn't get what china got from the usa for distancing from russia but still gets some with russia+ china as neighbors and the usa afraid of having three public opponents of the usa representing half of humanities populace together as neighbors. 

Brasil like the usa had stolen land + enslaved labor, the best of everything to grow and did all the immigration patterns of the usa as well. 

England... do I have to say this was the country that once boasted the sun never set on its empire, extracting all sorts of wealth from everywhere. 

ISrael, stole the land from england lived in by the palestinean, the palestinean protectore, but were financed militarilly and governmentally by the usa in perpetuity. 

Not one government mentioned above built from the ground up on their own, with no massive criminal activity. 

 

So, yeah , Nigeria/Haiti/Jamaica/Guyana/Ghana/Ethiopia/ Sri lanka/ Madagascar many countries full of black people immigrate to the usa but the usa has committed successful acts of war against those countries... What would the usa be if its leaders were constantly removed/killed, it resources constantly ripped, if other countries were vulturing. 

 

So Black DOSers whose forebears were literally enslaved to the whites of the european colonies and then the usa made from them,  are living in the country as allies to the whites who have literally undermined every single black country in humanity... 

 

So... I don't know. I think hundreds of years from now, someone will be able to look back and truly compare black populaces around the world and see who has grown more or less. But currently, Brasil/USA/South Africa/India/Nigeria all have black one percents, very wealthy, all have a majority fiscally poor black 99%. All have been enslaved in one form or another to whites in said country. The only variance I can think of is that in the USA's/Brasil's/India's of the world , unlike the Nigeria's/HAiti's/South Africa's the black populaces have hurt themselves to settle non blacks in usa/brasil/india are all the same, have been terrible to black people but blacks in each country has made a choice to coexist to whites who to be blunt, have never stopped terrorizing them... who is the fool, the terrorist or the one who keeps living next to the terrorist?

 

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

The fact that Tyler Perry  who wasn't born wealthy has been able to amass a fortune significant enough to buy studios is an accomplishment.

 

I concur, it is a financial accomplishment, For the record I never said he didn't accomplish, i stated to whom he sold his prior stuido

 

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'm glad so many FBA/AfroAmericans who were not born wealthy have been able to make a lot of money here in the USA.

yeah me too, could had been way better... what would greenville in tulsa be, rosewood in florida be, and so many other places if white people didn't burn whole black communities down to the ground and kill black people who had committed no crime whatsoever. 

Black people are always free to let the revenge go... BUT financially, the past can not be let go because financially, the past matters. 

When whites like the nypd round up black people inequally per the law, that is a financial attack on the black populace. 

Let's be blunt, a show once existed about a white woman selling marijuana in some town outside a city, commonly called a suburb , more correctly an exourb. it is n't under but outside.. Anyway, while in nyc the nypd is rounding up marijuana dealers while never seeming able to find cocaine dealers, the nypd finds cocaine but no cocaine dealers.  These are financial attacks. Black people talk about money so much but don't calculate the financial loss/hit/negative black people go through with white interactions. 

When white states in the south placed trash bin areas next to black towns making black people sick with its fumes, that is a financial cost. Not just healthcost. 

I am happy for black folk who financially get through white terror, but white terror is still here and it has a huge financial cost that we blacks need to start admitting. 

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So, yes, the Black DOS populace today has definitely grown from the conditions of 1865...

FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans do not have an ancestral homeland to which we can return. 

 

FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans were born here in the USA. 

 

Over 400 years, FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans have made the *best of* a bad situation, America's original sin *slavery* .

 

In the present, when FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans look back over the past couple hundred years, we have made progress in our homeland, the country that enslaved our forebearers.

 

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I argue, that black DOSers lost more than we ever gained from 1865 to today.

Unfortunately, as a people, FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans do not have the same level of malice, revenge & violence to *right* the atrocities that have been & are being committed against us by white folks.

 

Instead of slaughtering white folks & destroying their institutions that were built on the backs of FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans, our people have continually figured out how to  survive & thrive in the prison of racism white supremacy.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So... yes Black DOSers have come a long way, but was it a wise way, was it an honest way, was it a black way... or was it a liars way, was it a fool's way, was it the white mans chosen way for us?

And is the path the white man laid for us better in comparison to a path we laid for ourselves. 

As mentioned above, FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans have figured out how to survive & thrive under these conditions.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Many black people will argue that the immigration to the usa is a sign of usa greatness, but I always counter with a simple truth, the usa makes the rest of the world poor. 

Still, that should not prevent people from staying in their home countries & rebuilding it.  Giving up & running to the colonizers house doesn't make sense either.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So Black DOSers whose forebears were literally enslaved to the whites of the european colonies and then the usa made from them,  are living in the country as allies to the whites who have literally undermined every single black country in humanity... 

Where else can or should FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans go to live if the USA is their birthplace?

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So... I don't know. I think hundreds of years from now, someone will be able to look back and truly compare black populaces around the world and see who has grown more or less.

IMO, it does not take that long.  We can see the progress or lack thereof around the planet.  We know the reasons for it too. 

 

Those who are willing to go to war; kill & destroy ultimately enjoy the rewards of it.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

...the black populaces have hurt themselves to settle non blacks in usa/brasil/india are all the same, have been terrible to black people but blacks in each country has made a choice to coexist to whites who to be blunt, have never stopped terrorizing them... who is the fool, the terrorist or the one who keeps living next to the terrorist?

There's a difference between bringing a terrorist into one's country & becoming a subject versus being born in the same country with the terrorist.

 

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Black people are always free to let the revenge go... BUT financially, the past can not be let go because financially, the past matters. 

Money comes & goes. 

 

Even the most honest, astute, savvy, intelligent investors have amassed & lost & regained fortunes. 

 

Most successful people fail a lot before they strike it big.

 

The way one chooses to rebound from loss or failure makes a difference.

 

Sitting on the bench crying, grumbling & complaining won't lead to success.

 

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I am happy for black folk who financially get through white terror, but white terror is still here and it has a huge financial cost that we blacks need to start admitting. 

Many Black folks have figured out how to navigate white terror in order to win.  Easy...no.  Doable...absolutely.

[admin]

On 3/24/2026 at 8:18 PM, richardmurray said:

, the only way to make continual monetary growth  is to add on subscribers but the global economy has a limit on how much growth can exist in that way,

 

You can also raise the subscription price.

 

On 3/24/2026 at 9:58 PM, ProfD said:

Black development in any industry is a  matter of desire & will. The resources exist

 

Period, 'nuff said.

 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans do not have an ancestral homeland to which we can return. 

 

FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans were born here in the USA. 

 

Over 400 years, FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans have made the *best of* a bad situation, America's original sin *slavery* .

 

In the present, when FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans look back over the past couple hundred years, we have made progress in our homeland, the country that enslaved our forebearers.

what determines an ancestral homeland? 

I am not saying your wrong, or I am not saying a black person whose forebears were enslaved from africa by whites can't say a locale whites shipped them to can't be considered a homeland if they choose, but the choices are still open

I give three examples

1) all black peoples enslaved from africa whether they went to the american continent or the asian continent or the european continent have one thing in common, their african ancestry is continental. I have said in this forum before, if anywhere in africa is my hmeland it is the literal continent itself because my forebears who were enslaved come from all over. Often when people immigrate freely, they may call themselves, european/asian/african/south american, but in truth they mean a specific local in a continent. right? but fr DOSers we have to mean, by way of how enslavement worked, the continent of africa itself and considering descended of enslaved people were sent everywhere outside africa, not merely the american continent, a continental ancestry suits all of us whatever countries our forebears were enslaved in.  Black People like you or me exist in brasil in india , what shared history heritage/what we carry do we have? that our forebears were all enslaved from africa by whites/ various whites. so I think a continental ancestry , not a local in a continent is historically unquestionable, even if it is also unique among human groups. But, that is fate for you

2)I do think the seas itself is a valid homeland in its own way. the one thing that unites all descneded of enslaved people from africa is that most of our forebears died on the ships to wherever, again not just the usa but all the places, so the sea is where most of our forebears... or at least where most of mine are buried. You have said in the past that because those who died on the boat didn't have issue they are not but I oppose that view. because many black dos lineages have died through the centuries because of white terror anywhere, it is uneven to not include all the people enslaved on the boat , some of whom were definitely genetically related to those who survived. Again, not an common place but the DOS experience is not common . Yes, slavery is throughout all human history, but the mechanics of pan white enslavement to pan blacks in the period of the continental slave trades had unique forms. that were never seen before or since. 

3) this is two queries to your position.

I)I want clarification to where you stand to places outside the usa that have black dosers. Brasil has to be first on the list as no place in the american continent has more black DOSers than brasil. Brasil had dosers before the usa, so what you are saying is black dosers in brasil's homeland is brasil? what about black dosers in india, india had DOSers before Brasil did by white muslims, so what you are saying is black dosers in india's homeland is india? 

II) concerning the time, you mention the centuries black dosers have been in a country, in this case usa,  as  warranting its labeling as a homeland, but is your position that it applies to all DOSers in a particular country whether they view it or not  or is it optional? For me, and many other dosers, i want to be the first in my bloodline to choose a homeland, i think that had value. I don't care how long my bloodline has been in the usa, this for me is not my choice or the choice of my forebears. I think having the choice of making a homeland for yourself is one of the gifts DOS forebears gave all DOSers , we don't have to have any allegiance to any of these countries: usa/brasil/india because our forebears never did. It is the freedom to choose. As long as me or any in my bloodline is in the usa, it is a continuation of white peoples desires, not the desires of my own people. I can't call my homeland on what whites desired. And no, I don't think the fiscal reality or impotency of my forebears in not being able to go wherever they want should be held against them. 

 

So I conclude with I think your position is true but as an optional. not a definitive. and that is key.

 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Still, that should not prevent people from staying in their home countries & rebuilding it.  Giving up & running to the colonizers house doesn't make sense either.

 

 based on that logic didn't white europeans themselves do that ? it wasn't like ireland was rich, or itlay when the italian hordes came in was rich. And the english who came were from the poor parts of england, they weren't the relatives of the queen fand kings of england. so... outside the native american, who was murdered by immigrants, all other peoples in the usa are immigrants, but only DOSers are immigrants who were forced here, all other immigrants ran from poverty , did they not? You say giving up and running to the colonizers house but lets be more pure, giving up and running away in general , does that make sense? 

cause the original white european immigrants ran away from their poverty in europe and didn't choose to make any european country better...

The whole usa outside two peoples is built on people who were fiscally poor and ran away from it.

 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Where else can or should FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans go to live if the USA is their birthplace?

 

I have said it before, DOSers anywhere are free to choose. that is the gift, we are not bound, until we choose to be and present that truth to the next generation, each has to make their choice a heritage,  And I feel most black DOSers have never done that, and it isn't up to black dosers to apply our desires to each other, i argue, we should honor each other by leaving it open. 

But, to DOSers born in the USA, specifically, the only place I can think of that we all should consider based on heritage, our history, is Monrovia, not liberia, but monrovia.  yes, black DOSers born in the usa settled in many places outside the usa, black dosers leave the usa every year, for many other lands, to become their homelands,  even though we don't seem to know that as a people. But, I think we have a responsibility to Monrovia , as it was started by Black DOSers specifically from the USA. Now can all black dosers born in the usa move to monrovia:) no, but i do think we owe it to ourselves to do better there in some fashion. 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

IMO, it does not take that long.  We can see the progress or lack thereof around the planet.  We know the reasons for it too. 

 

Those who are willing to go to war; kill & destroy ultimately enjoy the rewards of it.

even enough, for me it isn't about wealth or wars, but the condition of freedom. Black groups in every country in humanity have a fiscally wealthy person, but that isn't enough for me to rank or relate the various black groups, the condition of freedom is what i am looking for and i see little variance in that in any country. I can't think of any black populace in a country that isn't a wealthy black 1% aside a fiscally poor black 99%, usa/brasil/india/south africa/jamaica, what differs the black populaces in any of the countries. in terms of collective freedom. I say nothing.  but in the future, will be seen.

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

There's a difference between bringing a terrorist into one's country & becoming a subject versus being born in the same country with the terrorist.

 

I am a little confused by the part, bringing a terrorist into one's country , we are talking about DOSers, and in india/brasil/usa and many other countries, like a jamaica DOSers have been born side the terrorist whites. 

 

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

oney comes & goes. 

 

Even the most honest, astute, savvy, intelligent investors have amassed & lost & regained fortunes. 

 

Most successful people fail a lot before they strike it big.

 

The way one chooses to rebound from loss or failure makes a difference.

 

Sitting on the bench crying, grumbling & complaining won't lead to success.

I only have one question, are black people in general allowed to admit we have been financially abused? 

If I have a house and white terror has taken the house, in your opinion, am I allowed to mention it or is mentioning that financial truth crying? 

If I have a parent sent to jail falsely or unevenly by whites, in your opinion, am I allowed to mention it or is mentioning that financial truth grumbling? 

I do believe in creating, in nationalism, I like doing, but I like telling the truth and unfortunately, truths for black DOSers tend to be negative, I will apologize for fate, but that is the truth. Our personal histories tend to face financial obstacles, which I feel need to be said , I argue we DOSers have spent far too long being quiet. 

Again, Pioneer talks about the law alot, but lets call it like it is, the quantity of financial crimes against black people that has gne to court int he usa is less than one percent per year, that is a lot money taken from us. Maybe you will call that complaining but.. I rather it said than not. 

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

Many Black folks have figured out how to navigate white terror in order to win.  Easy...no.  Doable...absolutely.

You are 100% correct, but the absolute truth requires an addition , winning is based on how they define winning and black DOSers don't define winning the same way. I shouldn't have to go into history for you to know this. 

 

@admin

7 hours ago, admin said:

You can also raise the subscription price.

 

you know already that raising the price of a good already diminishes those who can afford it, and like the ferrari brand or apple brand shows in the automotive or electronics industries, the higher priced items do have markets but they always lose volume. and reach a volume wall,which is a point of stagnation which the publicly traded environment hates. cause speculation/things to look at that don't have a constant increaseable factor lose their market viability. 

7 hours ago, admin said:

Period, 'nuff said.

 

So you and profd believe a homeless black man can get a house based on will and desire... hmmmm ok, 

[ProfD]

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

what determines an ancestral homeland? 

The continent on which one's parents & grand-parents were born.  No need for a genealogical study.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I am not saying your wrong, or I am not saying a black person whose forebears were enslaved from africa by whites can't say a locale whites shipped them to can't be considered a homeland if they choose, but the choices are still open

Surely, an individual is free to choose any continent of their desire as ancestral homeland.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

1) all black peoples enslaved from africa whether they went to the american continent or the asian continent or the european continent have one thing in common, their african ancestry is continental.

Sure.  For those who believe mankind originated in Africa...everywhere can claim it as their ancestral homeland.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I)I want clarification to where you stand to places outside the usa that have black dosers.

Their homeland is the continent on which they, their parents & grand-parents were born & raised.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

II) concerning the time, you mention the centuries black dosers have been in a country, in this case usa,  as  warranting its labeling as a homeland, but is your position that it applies to all DOSers in a particular country whether they view it or not  or is it optional? For me, and many other dosers, i want to be the first in my bloodline to choose a homeland,

You're free to make that choice.

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

So I conclude with I think your position is true but as an optional. not a definitive. and that is key.

Optional is fine.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

You say giving up and running to the colonizers house but lets be more pure, giving up and running away in general , does that make sense? 

cause the original white european immigrants ran away from their poverty in europe and didn't choose to make any european country better...

I'm sure you understand the context.   But, I'll indulge...

 

By every means necessary, the colonizers left Europe and *built* countries like the USA & Australia. 

 

That's very different from leaving an *under-developed* home country  to struggle in another country. 

 

Especially running to a predominantly *white* country that is keeping a boot on the neck of one's *homeland*

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

The whole usa outside two peoples is built on people who were fiscally poor and ran away from it.

Correct.  Those people used every means to *build* the countries in which they chose to *settle*. 

 

What is preventing Black folks from either building up their home countries &/or taking over other lands?

 

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

even enough, for me it isn't about wealth or wars, but the condition of freedom.

Freedom does not come with out war nor can wealth be maintained without a willingness to *fight* for it.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I can't think of any black populace in a country that isn't a wealthy black 1% aside a fiscally poor black 99%,

Less than 1% of the world population controls the wealth in it.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I am a little confused by the part, bringing a terrorist into one's country , we are talking about DOSers, and in india/brasil/usa and many other countries, like a jamaica DOSers have been born side the terrorist whites. 

Jamaica was Black before white folks showed up & colonized it.

 

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I only have one question, are black people in general allowed to admit we have been financially abused? 

 

If I have a house and white terror has taken the house, in your opinion, am I allowed to mention it or is mentioning that financial truth crying? 

 

If I have a parent sent to jail falsely or unevenly by whites, in your opinion, am I allowed to mention it or is mentioning that financial truth grumbling? 

What are Black folks willing to do these things other than cry, grumble & complain?

 

As a very young person, I was taught that as a male being weak (cry, grumble, complain, lack of self-defense, etc.) doesn't solve anything.  Being able to take action & handle bizness is everything.  It works.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

You are 100% correct, but the absolute truth requires an addition , winning is based on how they define winning and black DOSers don't define winning the same way. I shouldn't have to go into history for you to know this. 

No need to go into a history lesson.  We know what produces winners & losers.  The question is what is one willing to do in order to *win*.

 

24 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

So you and profd believe a homeless black man can get a house based on will and desire... hmmmm ok, 

 

This Black man was a drug addict & homeless at one point in his life.  He's rich now.  Anything is possible.

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

 

I comprehend your frustration, like james Forten 250 years ago, you have embraced the usa and both of you show a desire to compete side the other people in the usa financially, while in the legal confines. 

 

Do you suggest that we compete with others, illegally?
 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

'm sure you understand the context.   But, I'll indulge...

 

By every means necessary, the colonizers left Europe and *built* countries like the USA & Australia. 

 

That's very different from leaving an *under-developed* home country  to struggle in another country. 

 

Especially running to a predominantly *white* country that is keeping a boot on the neck of one's *homeland*

well... I see, 

When you speak about leaving an under developed home country to struggle in another country, i think of the conquistador i think of the white european imperial era through france/spain/portugal/netherlands

 

Of the european powers, the only one that built countries as you said were the english, it wasn't really the common way. all the others only wanted to extract resources and leave a set of mixed breeds to manage things to funnel money into whatever european center country. Spain and france and portugal famously had to pay white women to go while the english... was able to et whole communities to go. 

In the end of the day, the english didn't do it for the building of countries. The english pushed their colonies to be pan white, multiwhite, individualist, not to become the usa or canada or austrailia one day, but to be a haven to make money. Remember the english colonies were not profitable in the international market compared to any of the others. the money in the english colonies was actually in the english colonies spending money. 

BEcause the english colonies actually invited hordes of white europeans they were given a financial status, that the non white european majority populaces in the non english colonies couldn't get, so the first industry of the usa was as a market place, not because it was special but because it became the first true white european country outsdie europe. Essentailly english goods had a controlled marketplace for tea/furniture and other english content. That was the financial purpose of the usa. its external traffic was not its main finanial agenda. for england. 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

What is preventing Black folks from either building up their home countries &/or taking over other lands?

well first, for DOSers if you don't view a country as your home country then their is nothing to build up. Again some blacks liek james forten, start business fight and die , having chose the usa as ther home but then they ask questions like you to other black people who havent decided the usa is their home. 

You use the word prevention but you have to first view the usa as your home, brasil as you rhome, india as your home... before you can act like it is . 

Black pople are descended of enslaved folk, i argue in our heart, we aren't interested in being black versions of white europeans.  yes, cases exist but on average, we have a vengeanful desire but not a enslavement desire.

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Jamaica was Black before white folks showed up & colonized it.

 

yes the caribs are black native americans, like the negrito black asians.

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

What are Black folks willing to do these things other than cry, grumble & complain?

 

As a very young person, I was taught that as a male being weak (cry, grumble, complain, lack of self-defense, etc.) doesn't solve anything.  Being able to take action & handle bizness is everything.  It works.

Non verbal action always speaks louder than words. But I get the logic, if you focus on building no matter how many times another burns your house down, you may never realize that you need to stop building where you are cause the place you are is crap. 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

No need to go into a history lesson.  We know what produces winners & losers.  The question is what is one willing to do in order to *win*.

 

no the first question s what is the definition of winning because the definition of winning dictates what is needed to win, and not all definitions of winning are the same, especially for DOSer.  One black person can say they have won and mean nothing to another black person cause they dont share the same meaning of winning. 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

This Black man was a drug addict & homeless at one point in his life.  He's rich now.  Anything is possible.

I didn't question possibility, i said the pwoer of will and desire, this one instance doesnt prove will and desire, it proves circumstance, 

@Pioneer1

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do you suggest that we compete with others, illegally?

I suggest we, meaning black people anywhere on earth, each discover or learn who we are as individuals and who we want to be as part of black groups and then relate that to wherever we live. Yes, it isn't as simple as all others in humanity, but it gives us a freedom of identity. 

 

Black DOSers who embrace the usa as their home. need to accept the truth of fiscal capitalism when it comes to legal or illegal financial activity. The great fort nes in fiscal capitalism come in majority through criminal activity.whether that criminal activity is legally noted or not.   Second to comprehend the financial limits of being in a multiracial scoiety where all races are free to grow, it means financial control over others is always going to be limited long term

[ProfD]

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

When you speak about leaving an under developed home country to struggle in another country...

I'm sure you can see the difference between leaving one's home country & squatting in another country; to produce nothing & make zero contribution to it.  What is the accomplishment?
 

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

only wanted to extract resources

 

but to be a haven to make money.

Both requires some level of effort in order to get it done.

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

well first, for DOSers if you don't view a country as your home country then their is nothing to build up.

Right. Those individuals need to find a country that will accept them & to which they can relocate to produce & contribute to building & making it better.

 

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Non verbal action always speaks louder than words. But I get the logic, if you focus on building no matter how many times another burns your house down, you may never realize that you need to stop building where you are cause the place you are is crap. 

Again, most success comes after many failures.  Never give up.  Never quit.  Keep trying to *win*.

 

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

no the first question s what is the definition of winning because the definition of winning dictates what is needed to win, and not all definitions of winning are the same, especially for DOSer.  One black person can say they have won and mean nothing to another black person cause they dont share the same meaning of winning. 

What constitutes *winning* in the individual's mind....keep pressing towards that mark.

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I didn't question possibility, i said the pwoer of will and desire, this one instance doesnt prove will and desire, it proves circumstance, 

There's no shortage of successful Black people who have overcome seemingly insurmountable hurdles in order to *win*.

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Black DOSers who embrace the usa as their home. need to accept the truth of fiscal capitalism when it comes to legal or illegal financial activity. The great fort nes in fiscal capitalism come in majority through criminal activity.whether that criminal activity is legally noted or not.  

Again, many successful Black people have overcome the odds & *won* without resorting to illegal or negative activities.

 

11 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Second to comprehend the financial limits of being in a multiracial scoiety where all races are free to grow, it means financial control over others is always going to be limited long term

Not sure what that has to do with putting in the effort to *win*.  It has been done several times over already past to present.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

13 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I'm sure you can see the difference between leaving one's home country & squatting in another country; to produce nothing & make zero contribution to it.  What is the accomplishment?

I remember listening to an immigrant to the usa, who is homeless, a mexican or mesitzo from somewhere in latin america. He flat out said, his goal was to get in the usa... so for many immigrants, not all, but many they win by merely being in the usa, as the accomplishment, even if they are only squatting. And that is their choice but there you have it, to answer the question of accomplishment. 

This is why comparing wins is hard, because one person's win is not another person's win. 

15 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Right. Those individuals need to find a country that will accept them & to which they can relocate to produce & contribute to building & making it better.

 

Yes... with the addition that again, some people leave with no need to make the destination country better, as muc has the destination country has what they are looking for. When you look at israel, many jews go to israel to simply be among jews, it is not to be rich or produce as you say or "make it better" as much as the environment is satisfactory for them, the win is the move , but moving takes time, it isn't magic. And you can't force it through hard work. my forebears worked very hard and often got nothing of what they wanted because hard work still requires opportunity and if you don't opportunity, you don't. and without violence, peace blockades some forms of opportunity. 

19 minutes ago, ProfD said:

There's no shortage of successful Black people who have overcome seemingly insurmountable hurdles in order to *win*.

 

yes with the addition that the quantity of black people getting what they want, I will call that successful, is far less based on non black potency because blacks are abused at no fault of their own by whites. When competition isn't even, when it has criminal actions that is highly manipulative, especially in the financial realm. 

I know you see the USA as a place that allows any individual to succeed but I don't think that is financially true. To rephrase, negative unmerited blockades or abuses are applied to people in the usa which means individuals don't have the ability to succeed. Athletes are the best examples. A black baseball played , playing today admitted in the players journal, if it wasn't for my community in some area of florida, placing themselves in debt he wouldn't had made it as a baseball player. That is not an environment for all to succeed, that is called an environment of failure. 

24 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Not sure what that has to do with putting in the effort to *win*.  It has been done several times over already past to present.

and this is the key variance, in your mind, effort overcomes environment. The numbers show, effort never overcomes environment. A negative financial environment  defined as an environment designed to hinder financial positive movement, succeeds in majority in the usa historically, all phenotypes. IT isn't that effort overcame environment as much as environment, which in the financial sense is a human construct can not be designed perfectly/a complete work, and the environment ALLOWS a percentage of those in it to succeed which happens. You and others think it is effort overcoming the negativities of the environment when in truth it is the system merely allowing success for a minority. Which is the USA way. 

[ProfD]

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I remember listening to an immigrant to the usa, who is homeless...He flat out said, his goal was to get in the usa... so for many immigrants, not all, but many they win by merely being in the usa, as the accomplishment..

Those types of immigrants are making it worse for others as these white folks are trying to kick them out of the USA.

 

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Yes... with the addition that again, some people leave with no need to make the destination country better, as muc has the destination country has what they are looking for.

Seems selfish to go somewhere else & offer nothing. 

 

In the same way that you do not like liars, I'm not fond of *takers* i.e. people who do not add &/or offer nothing to the situation &/or environment.

 

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

When you look at israel, many jews go to israel to simply be among jews, it is not to be rich or produce as you say or "make it better" as much as the environment is satisfactory for them...

I doubt those people merely show up to drain the resources & live off the sweat equity of others.

 

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

...moving takes time, it isn't magic.

Anything can be accomplished through desire & will & effort.

 

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

...blacks are abused at no fault of their own by whites.

That has been an ongoing condition for hundreds of years.  Black people are still finding ways to *win*.

 

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I know you see the USA as a place that allows any individual to succeed but I don't think that is financially true.

Clearly, we live in different parts of the USA.

 

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

...negative unmerited blockades or abuses are applied to people in the usa...placing themselves in debt...That is not an environment for all to succeed, that is called an environment of failure. 

 

The numbers show, effort never overcomes environment. A negative financial environment...  defined as an environment designed to hinder financial positive movement...

 

You and others think it is effort overcoming the negativities of the environment when in truth it is the system merely allowing success for a minority. Which is the USA way. 

Many of us taught to accept the fact that life is not fair.  However, despite the negative obstacles that life will put in your way, do not allow it to impede the effort of pressing towards the mark of the high calling. 

 

Again, I do not see anything positive coming out of those who cry/grumble/complain about how life is not fair in one way or several. 

 

These conditions existed before we were born. Especially for those of you who believe in procreation regardless of the circumstances. 

 

So, here we are born into an unfair existence & left to figure this sh8t out during our time on the planet. 

 

Some people find a way to *win* while others wallow in pond of misery or despair or hopelessness.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

10 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Those types of immigrants are making it worse for others as these white folks are trying to kick them out of the USA.

 

but the issue we are discussing is what people deem as wins, what is accomplishment? is accomplishment what you say it , what i say it is? I argue the definition to wins or accomplishments changes twixt individuals or groups and so it is challenging to apply standards of wins/accomplishment between individuals or groups. 

and to the point you raised, not all white folks are trying to kick them out... this goes back to Monrovia ... many whites did support blacks leaving but most supported blacks staying in the usa in perpetuity as enslaved, so much so making the happy slave myth to make themselves feel better

16 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Seems selfish to go somewhere else & offer nothing. 

 

In the same way that you do not like liars, I'm not fond of *takers* i.e. people who do not add &/or offer nothing to the situation &/or environment.

even point. I comprehend your viewpoint 100% the problem for the usa is it was founded by takers, if you consider the native american heritages and cultures, the usa was founded by takers, who adding nothing positive to what was in existence.. so the usa has a heritage of willing immigrants mostly adding nothing except negativities, with only a minority adding positives to the current situation. Chaos starters

 

18 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I doubt those people merely show up to drain the resources & live off the sweat equity of others.

 

if you look at the settlers in palestinean lands, that is all they do... they don't grow anything, they definitely don't add to peace so... 

When israel first started it had a huge zionist movement, but I argue, that the majority of white jews or even jews in humanity where anti zionist from a personal level, meaning they support the existence of israel but never want to live there. I shared in this forum somewhere the reform jewish numbers. most jews are not orthodox are not looking to go to israel. but many give money/ support to keep it afloat. so... the people who tend to go there ... are a rarer type. 

Israel has many issues but again, it was started chaotically, so I don't see why it having  a chaotic life isn't expected. 

23 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Anything can be accomplished through desire & will & effort.

 

nature says nothing is ever totally true

24 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Clearly, we live in different parts of the USA.

 

true and to that end, that is also the problem , the usa isn't a small town, it is a country of three hundred and fifty million people who are in dissimilar environments. 

A solid thirty percent of black people in the usa and I argue fifty percent of Black DOSers live in small black towns where their financial life is very challenging from non black influences. I don't live in that exact environment and yet their are the financially affluent black regions of Los Angeles or NYC or Atlanta where everyone black is millionaire or better. so... yes, the us has different places , different financial environments , always has, and they don't relate. 

So when the usa is spoken of in one way, because a person lives in one particular place is that reflective of the usa? no, it is reflective of a particular place in the usa. That is not the same.

28 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Many of us taught to accept the fact that life is not fair.  However, despite the negative obstacles that life will put in your way, do not allow it to impede the effort of pressing towards the mark of the high calling. 

 

Again, I do not see anything positive coming out of those who cry/grumble/complain about how life is not fair in one way or several. 

 

These conditions existed before we were born. Especially for those of you who believe in procreation regardless of the circumstances. 

 

So, here we are born into an unfair existence & left to figure this sh8t out during our time on the planet. 

 

Some people find a way to *win* while others wallow in pond of misery or despair or hopelessness.

Ahh yes and that is a very statian turn of phrase. 

you see, life is even, life is beautiful. nature is even, nature is beautiful. 

And, life isn't fair/white nor is it schartz/black, nature as well isn't fair or schwartz. 

Human beings manipulate life into uneveness. manipulate life into being fair or schwartz. 

IT isn't life that brings negative or positive obstacles in humans lives, it is other humans. 

Those who confuse human actions as life is the great dysfunction, this goes back to NAt Turner, Jean JAcques Dessalines, the IRA, what they are saying is Blacks folks problems aren't life but whites or Irish peoples problems aren't life but English. 

Kill the whites, kill the english and life becomes its natural neutral state. 

The problem is humans are not fools inside, they can tell themselves that life isn't even, but they know the truth is life is even, it is other humans making their lives uneven that they need to change and the best way to do that isn't to play games with the humans that are making their lives uneven but to kill those humans making their lives uneven , and in face with that truth, many humans lament, the lie they were raised with. 

I have seen this , as a tutor, I have seen black parents say such things with my own eyes and I have refuted them to black children in their presence. 

It isn't life that is hard, your not broke/you don't have opportunities or resources because nature/earth/life used ocean water and made a huge tide and grabbed our forebears off the land and carried our forebears in a bubble to other lands. Your challenges are white made, not life made. 

Existence is always even, always beautiful and never white/fair nor black/schwartz 

So admit the humans that are truly behind your woes which your parents know is true, but are lying to you because they themselves have never faced the true source of their own woes, which is whites.

And I will defend the pond of helplessness. It is no accident that the IRA was only three hundred people , it is no accident that Black DOSers in what became Haiti alone made a country for DOSers in the American continent. 

The helpness comes because of another truth, all humans know humans are the ones that make life imabalnced, it is never life itself, life is always trying to reach balance. Life is never trying to be white or black or uneven in any way. So that means some humans have to be taken out but most don't have the courage for that. And this is what Zen meant. People think Zen means the person who does nothing amidst the chaos but misses that isn't Zen, what Zen says is that any action is acceptible in nature. What this means isn't that one must exist within chaos, what it means is any action, no matter how violent isn't a sin, isn't a negative, isn't anything to be afraid of. 

And that wisdom is what most parents,,, sadfully, don't convey to their children or are too afraid to face themselves. 

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1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

but the issue we are discussing is what people deem as wins, what is accomplishment? is accomplishment what you say it , what i say it is? I argue the definition to wins or accomplishments changes twixt individuals or groups and so it is challenging to apply standards of wins/accomplishment between individuals or groups. 

Just like ancestral homeland, whatever you define as a *winnng*  & if it works for you & yours...so be it.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

even point. I comprehend your viewpoint 100% the problem for the usa is it was founded by takers,

 

if you consider the native american heritages and cultures, the usa was founded by takers, who adding nothing positive to what was in existence..

Correct.  Do you believe the takers improved the country or merely lived off that which was already developed? 

 

The USA has undergone a major transformation over these past several hundred years & counting.

 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

if you look at the settlers in palestinean lands, that is all they do... they don't grow anything, they definitely don't add to peace so... 

All types of buildings & businesses will spring up once the investors get a foothold.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Ahh yes and that is a very statian turn of phrase. 

you see, life is even, life is beautiful. nature is even, nature is beautiful. 

Most literate humans come to understand that *life isn't fair* is inflicted by other humans.

 

Again, the question is...what are you going to about it?

 

How are you going to deal with the humans responsible for the unfair conditions?
 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Kill the whites, kill the english and life becomes its natural neutral state. 

 

The helpness comes because of another truth, all humans know humans are the ones that make life imabalnced,

Go for it if that is the solution to correcting the imbalance.

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

So that means some humans have to be taken out but most don't have the courage for that. 

Exactly.  What is the alternative if one is too cowardly to take out the enemy?
 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

And that wisdom is what most parents,,, sadfully, don't convey to their children or are too afraid to face themselves. 

As humans, parents do whatever it take to shield/protect their children from the realities of this existence while also encouraging them to overcome it.

 

Humans have been dancing this tango for thousands of years.  Nothing new under the sun.