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A few moments ago I was hunting around my Google Home app trying to figure out how to change my "assistant's" voice. 

 

Google presented me with the following video. The video's preview image -- which is carefully crafted -- grabbed my attention for, what should be, obvious reasons.

 

 

I watched the video in it's entirety. I'm not alone; the video was posted less than 24 hours ago and has almost 3 million views.

 

Normally, I'm pretty good at ingoring the stuff that social media throws at me, largely because I actively avoid exposure, but this one hooked me.

 

I don't think I'm being a "gruppy old dude" by complaining about Google's use of videos like this. I just can't image being a kid today, regularly exposed to videos like this. It must be hard not to objectify women when you see these images all the time.

 

Now this is the same Google that banned my old discussion forums from displaying ads because of content, but they can push this in front on millions of people.

 

I've posted a similiar video on Nicky Minaj sometime ago, so I know these video are not unusual. What seems unusual to me is that no one seems to think this is a issue. 

 

Maybe it is just me... I guess I have to ditch my Google Home too.

 

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Sex sells....

Always has
Always will

But let's put this video in it's proper perspective........

This video is MILD.
It's not even worth a PG rating as far as I'm concerned.

All it is is a bunch of AfroAmerican youth dancing and girating around in scant clothing.
There is NO SEX being had, and NO NUDITY seen.

Like you I watched the entire video also, expecting to see some nudity or sex....lol...and didn't.

While my concern isn't the exact opposite of yours, it may be considered a bit diagonal or kitty-corner from it. My concern is that this society is becoming TOO "anti-sex" because they are mistaking tasteless juvenile girating like what you see in that video.....for ACTUAL SEX.
Because it's not. You can see more skin and sensuality at the beach.

I await the day where you'll actually see COMPLETELY NAKED women (especially older women for a change) not just dancing around but actually HAVING REAL SEX in music videos as well as in movies and this be a normalized thing.

On a side note, I noticed that almost all of the men in that video had tatoos.
I do have a problem with so many of our people getting tatoos over their bodies. People of color don't need tatoos....they already have color in their skin.

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Sex sells. Sure, but what are the selling @Pioneer1?

 

I don't understand  people with dark skin getting tatoos myself, but I have no "problem" with it. 

 

The only really problem I have with video is that I don't think it is appropriate for young kids and Google does not appear be exercising any control over who sees their vidoes.

 

The video has over 14 largely due to Google pushing it. I see now that Google is selling tickets to a concert Normani is performing in... slick.

 

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Oh don't get me wrong, I totally respect the right for whoever to get themselves all tatted up if they like. But I don't like this "monkey see monkey do" attitude of just because you see a lot of Caucasians doing something you feel an automatic urge to imitate them even without knowing the meaning.

Infact, I make the same complaint about so many AfroAmericans wearing suits and ties as so-called "business" attire. Common sense should tell us that one's ability to do good business pertains to what's going on in their head and their ability to sell their ideas and effectively communicate.....and as long as their clean and neat whether or not they have a suit on should be irrelevant. But since the founders of this society (Caucasians) established that you should wear a suit and dress shoes to business (and church) many of our people just go along with it unquestioned.
....but that's another topic all together, lol.

Listen, I'd lke you to think about my question carefully.......

Exactly what (as in what scenes can you point to) in this video do you think would actually harm a child by them looking at it?

There is no nudity.
No one is even having sex.
It's just a bunch of people dancing and shaking and showing a lot of skin (and tatoos).
How could this be detrimental to a child's development or psyche?

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"Harm" many not be the right word. So I can't answer your question as posed.

 

No the video is not XXX porn, but surely you'd agree the video is pretty provocative for prime time. If you don't find it sexually suggestive then you may be too old to have those feelings any longer :-) I know I wanna go out right now and find me a 20 something to get busy with :wub:

 

I dunno man, I can only imagine what the average teenage boy wants to do after seeing this video.  Again it is not just one video. This type of content is everywhere. This video single video will have been watched at least 20 million times in less than a week.  That is more people who come to this site in an entire year.

 

Look, scantily clad women gyrating in this manner were around when I was a teen too, but you had to go to a strip club to see this stuff.  Today it is in the palm of your hand, on demand, 24/7.  I'm not convinced there are no adverse consequences as a result of this -- are you @Pioneer1?

 

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5 hours ago, Troy said:

This video single video will have been watched at least 20 million times in less than a week. 

 

The dancing in this video is beautiful!  And look at all those chocolate young women and men!~ They are beautiful! Thank you for sharing!

It reminds me Janet Jackson's "IF" video but with a majority of beautiful black people.  

 

And @Troy don't you remember how sensual we were as a teenagers and young adults?  Google can't promote what comes naturally - Young people are sensual, curious and carefree with each other.  This choreography just communicates this age but with pure athleticism mixed sensuosity and grace.  
 

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@Mel Hopkins yes I was beautiful, and as a gymnast the athleticism was not lost on me.

 

Yes I remember doing the "Freak," but we were not filiming it and watching it constantly. Did you think the freak was appropriate? I know at least one guy that ejaculated while freaking (no it was not me 😎).

 

So while I don't disagree with anything you wrote Mel, I find it hard to believe you would host a party where your teenage daughters were dressed and dancing like that. Would you you let them "freak" or dance "rub-a-dub style" in the basement with the lights off? @Pioneer1 if you are familiar with those dance styles, same question.

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44 minutes ago, Troy said:

So while I don't disagree with anything you wrote Mel, I find it hard to believe you would host a party where your teenage daughters were dressed and dancing like that.

@Troy 

 

I never censored how  my daughters dance or what they wore. Even when my youngest was going through her goth phase - I just sucked it up. lol - Today, the twins barely wear clothes but that's their self-expression.  My oldest daughter is more conservative and that's her style choice. I had nothing to do with it.

Anyway, I'm not prudish ... And neither did my parents censor me. EDIT: I had a lights off rub-em-up sweet-sixteen party in my basement.  It was great!

 

Also Do you not remember this?

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This was our senior fashion talent show  - I was 17!  Kim Coles, Vicki and I dressed like this and even the high school administration allowed us free expression!  And yes, this was a one-night only performance - but still creative arts require raising the Serpentine fire/Kundalini!

In fact, if we see more of those performances like in Normani's video and less gang-banging - our current "drive-by - mass shooting" culture will change for the better. 

 

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:) Yes I remember this.  You haven't aged a bit!

 

As far as the parties, I would not let my daughters have boys grinding on them in my basement with the lights off, or down low -- and now I know they could not go to a party a Ms. Hopkins house LOL! :o

 

I did A LOT of things has a kid that I would discourage my kids from doing even though some of those things were fun at the time.  

 

We we went to seedy little clubs in Harlem during the early days of what would be known as "Hip Hip."  I was like 12 or 13 and you go up to a girl to "dance," but basically you were just humping each other.  Sometimes you put the girl in a "sandwich" with another guy -- grabbing her breasts and butt.  Sometimes there would be a train of preteens just grinding on each other in a sweaty frenzy.  It seems crazy as I reflect on it now, but it is what we did and there were places like this all over the city.

 

Of course this experience informed our (young Black men in the inner city) way of dealing with women.  I'll go out on a limb here and say the experience was not positive. Clearly, how we see this video is a reflection of our personal experiences.  I suspect the impact, good or bad, on any individual will also be based upon individual experiences.  

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"Harm" many not be the right word. So I can't answer your question as posed.


Sure you can, your answer was actually "no"...lol.
Because nothing in this video harms children in any way.
It may make ADULTS feel uncomfortable if they are around children when it comes on, much like frank sex talk makes parents uncomfortable when their children (of any age) are around....when that same talk wouldn't bother either if they were by themselves.

And it all originates from people NOT having honest and frank talks about REAL sexuality to begin with, but instead hiding or ignoring it....suppressing it.

And as is often the case, when something is suppressed it comes out with much force and discomfort from being kept into such an unnatural state.





dunno man, I can only imagine what the average teenage boy wants to do after seeing this video


I got news for you my brutha, the average teenage boy DOESN'T NEED videos like this to get him going....lol.
When I was a teenager my erections WORK ME UP like an alarm clock.

 

 

 

 

Look, scantily clad women gyrating in this manner were around when I was a teen too, but you had to go to a strip club to see this stuff.


Now come on man, you grew up in Harlem in the late 60s and 70s!
Are you telling me all those pictures I saw of prostitutes on the street half naked and every day girls walking around in miniskirts, halter tops, sting tops, and hot pants, braless, ect....was just on television?
You didn't see women walking around shaking what their mama gave them in REAL life?

I know when I was a kid growing up in the Midwest in the 70s and 80s when it got hot women and girls were wearing clothes about as skimpy as what you see in that video.

 

 

 

 

Yes I remember doing the "Freak," but we were not filiming it and watching it constantly. Did you think the freak was appropriate? I know at least one guy that ejaculated while freaking

 

So while I don't disagree with anything you wrote Mel, I find it hard to believe you would host a party where your teenage daughters were dressed and dancing like that. Would you you let them "freak" or dance "rub-a-dub style" in the basement with the lights off? @Pioneer1 if you are familiar with those dance styles, same question


1. When I was coming up we were doing the same thing but we called it "grinding".
White folks called it "dry humping".
All it was was having as something as close to sex as you can with your clothes on.

2 . I did grind on a lot of females at parties and clubs and altough I don't remember "busting" in my pants, most of the time I DID feel a little "pre-cum" come out.
I'll stop right there rather than get too graphic....lol.

3. Not only did we do this as teenagers but now that I think on it even back in elementary school at 7 and 8 we used to chase girls around getting out "squeeze" on all over them.
We called it "hide and go get some".

What you're seeing in the video as well as what you saw growing up is African youth behaving the way we NORMALLY behave when nature is allowed to take it's course.
Before Caucasians came and influenced our thinking with their prudish anti-sexual religions and philosophies most African and Dravidian societies had "sex cults" where the entire community would come out to have sex with eachother in mass.....nothing to be ashamed of.

You can read in the Bible where the Israelites (Caucasians) tried to stamp it out in the different lands they conquered.


4. To answer your question:  No.
 As open minded as I am about the idea, no I probably wouldn't let my teenage daughter do it. Why not? Irrational male over protectiveness.
But my decision is an emotional decision, not a logical one.


 

You were a gymnast?

I bet you were strong as hell!

I've met a few male gymasts and them cats had muscles like wire cables.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mel

The dancing in this video is beautiful! And look at all those chocolate young women and men!~ They are beautiful!


Not only do I agree with you but I absolutly LOVE seeing attractive and physically fit AfroAmericans be sensual and express their sexuality. I'd much rather see them do THIS than fighting and pulling guns on eachother.

I'lll promote Black on Black love over Black on Black violence any day.

 

 

Alright.....you've been agreeing with me so much lately I'm getting suspicious!

What are you up too....lol.

BTW...when you say "Kim Coles" do you mean you went to school with Kim Coles the actress from Living Singles?

 

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8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Alright.....you've been agreeing with me so much lately I'm getting suspicious!

What are you up too....lol.

BTW...when you say "Kim Coles" do you mean you went to school with Kim Coles the actress from Living Singles?

😆  @Pioneer1  Yes Kim Coles also graduated from Brooklyn Tech with me and Troy.  Best. High. School. Ever.

And yes - haven't you noticed we fight about and agree with each other on the topics dealing with the subject of "Social Engineering"...  It's as if you and I both believe that we humans are consistently being programmed and hacked to behave a certain way. 

 

Sexuality goes right to the top of the social engineering !  Early Anglos found out how to harness and supress sensuality, sexuality and sensuosity and use it to create super soldiers /killing machines .  In short, suppress sexuality you kill creativity and then you can create monsters.
 

10 hours ago, Troy said:

Of course this experience informed our (young Black men in the inner city) way of dealing with women.  I'll go out on a limb here and say the experience was not positive. Clearly, how we see this video is a reflection of our personal experiences.  I suspect the impact, good or bad, on any individual will also be based upon individual experiences.  

 

@Troy   In a way, I agree but how we use our experiences is what's at odds.   As a woman, I learned sexual boundaries in the safety of my parents home.  When you are under a watchful eye of your caregivers - they let things go but so far.  

We've seen on social media where at some of parties teenaged boys and girls have gotten drunk and some boys have gone as far as gang raped girls.  A lot of times these parties were not chaperoned - and what's worse  those children didn't learn boundaries and popped like corks under pressure.   Now the girls are scarred -and the boys have to register as sexual offenders for the rest of their life.  

My friends and I played RCK (run catch and kiss)- as young as 11... by the time we were teens - we knew boundaries. Boys knew sexual contact in varying degrees wasn't off limits  because girls liked it too - but we all learned no means no.

As society progressed - I guess some parents didn't have time for children anymore. 

But when I was growing up we all had parents to consult in the absence of our own (for the moment). It did take a village.   Most of the kids I grew up with - played kissing games, bump and grinding when we were teenagers, and none of us ended up as sexual predators.  

When the child learns how to exercise their personal agency it will later serve them as adults.  My body and persona doesn't belong to my parents - it's mine.  My children's bodies doesn't belong to me or their dad.  They learned this from the time they were toddlers.  While they were under our care we had to let them determine their boundaries or they would never learn.  Or worse, learn when they were older.

If you wonder why some women exist in abusive relationships while some women NEVER experience that life;-it's all due to learning.  We all have to learn - it just depends on when. 
 

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11 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Most of the kids I grew up with - played kissing games, bump and grinding when we were teenagers, and none of us ended up as sexual predators.  

 

I understand.  This is evidenced by my own experience and the experiences related by Pioneer.

 

However, what I think you are failing to consider is, kids today have access to so much more sexually explicit content than ever before.  This video, while a great display of Black athleticism and beauty, is also overtly sexual.  Something Pioneer describes as natural behavior (like polygamy) and you simply say is beautiful without really addressing the sexual nature of the video -- almost as if it were not there or did not matter.

 

Sure, you and I are not affected by this video -- we have a content, we've been on Earth for over half a century and have seen a lot. What I question is the impact of all of this on our youth.

 

11 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

We've seen on social media where at some of parties teenaged boys and girls have gotten drunk and some boys have gone as far as gang raped girls. 

 

I have not seen this, but I take you word for it.  Think about the scenario in which someone takes out their cell phone to record a gang rape and THEN put it on social media. What type of society do we have were tech firms profit off of motivating people to share gang rapes... this is so f-cked up I don't even know where to begin.

 

@Pioneer1 I saw Kim last year and told her I knew Mel.  She immediately whipped out a photo of her and Mel, from back in the day :-)  I took a photo of Kim's cell phone and shared it with Mel.  I thought I posted it here, but I guess I did not.

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Ummph.
I remember Kim Coles was doing a little stand-up even BEFORE she had that show.

If I were you I would have asked her to introduce you to the other sistaz on the show like Queen Latifah, Erika Alexander, and "Tootie".
(I know she's Kim Fields but she'll always be Tootie to me....lol)

 

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@Delano, from a personal perspective the video does not bother me. As I said I watched it in it's entirety.  My concern is for younger kids and the potential impact on them -- something that no one seems to be concerned about. 

 

There was a time when people seemed to be concerned about the misogyny, homophobia, violence, and hyper sexulaitzation in the music, but I guess this has become normalized, and my views are anachronistic.

 

@Pioneer1 I would much rather meet you in person than any of those women.  I communicated with Tootie last year. Her book was on "The Tea," but for some reason we could not arrange to get her on camera. She was just too busy I guess.

 

 

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My concern is for younger kids and the potential impact on them -- something that no one seems to be concerned about.


Lol....what reasons ARE there for the rest of us (or you for that matter) to be concerned about?

This video has:
-No violence.
-No hatred of or disrespect of women.
-Not even nudity or real sex is shown.

.......what negative impact could this video have on children besides the risk that they'll grow up frustrated that their bodies aren't as firm and athletic as those on this video?

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@Pioneer1 Ok. so obviousky yiuvreject the sexual nature of the video. Unlike our debate in race, this is open to opinion, subjective. Im not gonna try to convince you otherwise. I could in fact be overeacting

 

Im just glad im not trying raise my kids in a world were this type of stuff is shoved at them 24/7. Im not calling for Shari'a law, but we've gone from Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin dominating the charts to Cardi B and Pusha T.

 

Google uses their dominance to push Normani for ad revenue and ticket sales by appealing to our baser emotions. But it is all good to you and if no consequence.  Im just not convinced that is true.

 

 

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I'm sure somewhere in what you just said we can find the harm or damage or negative consequences of this video and the likes thereof that you so fear.....I just haven't read it.
So can you PLEASE point out what is your exact cause of concern?

What is the worse case scenario resulting from this video?




Im just glad im not trying raise my kids in a world were this type of stuff is shoved at them 24/7
 

Would it have been better to raise children in the 80s and 90s when crime and violence were at an all time high in America and "shoot-em-up" Rambo, Terminator, and ghetto-hood movies dominated Hollywood?

Pick and choose my man, sex or violence...which do you prefer?

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On 8/27/2019 at 7:45 PM, Pioneer1 said:


I'm sure somewhere in what you just said we can find the harm or damage or negative consequences of this video and the likes thereof that you so fear.....

 

After all I wrote, I'm sure I can't articulate what my impressions are in term that will make to you. I don't have beliefs that are that firm. Im expressing a concern based upon trends that don't seem positive.

 

On 8/27/2019 at 7:45 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

Would it have been better to raise children in the 80s and 90s when crime and violence were at an all time high in America and "shoot-em-up" Rambo, Terminator, and ghetto-hood movies dominated Hollywood?

 

The time of our youth (60s and 70s) had some negatives but there were a lot of positives. The periods you describe the 80 and 90s had many of the ills we see today. So answer your question, yes. I raised my kids in the 90s.

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Although you aren't saying it outright, I believe you like many (probably most) AfroAmericans and people of color worldwide have internalized the Caucasian based moral beliefs about sex and it's purpose.

Caucasians have taught people of color through their religious and socio-political indotrination that sex is a "necessary evil", "original sin" and that it's bad and "nasty" and should only be engaged in....if ever....for the purposes of reproduction.


You said you thought this video was inappropriate for children to watch, huh...lol.

So I supposed the idea of children WATCHING their parents and other adults in the community actually ENGAGE in sex while totally naked.....a scene that was pretty common in so-called "primitive" societies around the globe before Caucasian interference....would probably give you a conniption and make you fit to be tied, lol.

 

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On 8/30/2019 at 9:45 PM, Pioneer1 said:

religious and socio-political indotrination that sex is a "necessary evil", "original sin" and that it's bad and "nasty" and should only be engaged in....if ever....for the purposes of reproduction.

 

Well I don't personally feel this way, nor does anyone I have ever recall meeting.

 

On 8/30/2019 at 9:45 PM, Pioneer1 said:

You said you thought this video was inappropriate for children to watch, huh...lol.

 

Yeah, I think a lot of what we expose children is in appropriate is Fast food, some music, many TV programs, etc.  I've been guilty of exposing my kids to things that I subsequently learned was a mistake.  You live and learn.

 

On 8/30/2019 at 9:45 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I supposed the idea of children WATCHING their parents and other adults in the community actually ENGAGE in sex while totally naked

 

No.  I don't think this is a good idea. When I was a really young kid I walked in on my parents.  I was too young to understand what they were doing, but despite my curiousity I immediately left.  They did not see me and I never told them what I saw. There are a lot of thing modern people generally don't do in front of each other.  We no longer engage in sex in public, defecate in front of each other, or eat each other.

 

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That's part of the effectiveness of successful indoctrination!
You rarely recognize the true origin of your beliefs, and in some cases you don't even recognize the fact that you HAVE certain beliefs until certain events trigger an irrational response from you.

You can be a card carrying Democrat, promote same-sex marriage, legalizing drugs, having marched with MLK and fought against apartheid in South Africa -but it wasn't until your daughter brought home a Black husband and you had a heart attack did you realize how racist you actually were, lol.


Well......
I'm not in a position to sit up and debate with you on the best ways to raise children and I also agree that it's inappropriate to have sex infront of them; although I suspect we agree for different reasons.

However I think you may reconsider the belief that "we" ever defecated infront of eachother or ate eachother. We (Africans) never in our various cultures. I'm sure some mentally ill individuals (the Jeffery Dahmer types) did crazy shit on their own, but I'm saying as social groups public defecation and canabalism was never recorded among us.
Infact, the only group of people with a documented history of canabalism and public urination and defecation were the Caucasians, especially while they were still in the caves.

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10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's part of the effectiveness of successful indoctrination!

 

Maybe it is just adopting the cultural norms of the society you live in. Whenever more than a handful of people live in a community you must adpot some behaviors you may not care for in order to make the society work.

 

Going on about what our "natural" culture was and going back to it is not very helpful. Going back to ancient culture is impossible the conditions are different. Sure, take from it what we can use, but we must move on.

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Maybe it is just adopting the cultural norms of the society you live in. Whenever more than a handful of people live in a community you must adpot some behaviors you may not care for in order to make the society work.


This is true, however the problem with some of these "norms" that our people have adopted are very  harmful to them.
Smoking is a "norm" in this society.
So is eating fast food and genetically modified foods.


 

 


Going on about what our "natural" culture was and going back to it is not very helpful.


Considering that many AfroAmericans are among the:
- least healthiest
-lowest income
-most prone to be victims of crime
-most likely to go to jail
-worst performing in education

If going back to what's natural and re-adopting ancient practices wouldn't be helpful, do you seriously think staying on this same course IS helping?

I don't think you need Delano to draw up a PROJECTION to see where our community will end up 100 years from now if we continue this same path and practice these same habits we're practicing today.

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@Pioneer1 there are many Black people in this culture who are healthy, did well in school, have a descent income, and were never incarcerated.  No culture is perfect, but all of the ills you mentioned adversely impacts white people too. The problem our culture has is how we practice capitalism. Evil is rewarded when wealth results. Which will be our down fall if nothing changes.

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Interesting choice of words.....

You said MANY Black people in this culture do well in school, are healthy, and have decent incomes, but you didn't say MOST.
1 million people are MANY people.
But if only 1 million AfroAmericans are doing good out of a population of 50 million.....those figures are still dismal for MOST of the population.

When you say evil is rewarded, what is your idea of concept of "evil"?

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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But if only 1 million AfroAmericans are doing good out of a population of 50 million.....those figures are still dismal for MOST of the population.

 

I don't know the figures, but I'm sure it is more than 1 million.  Is it the majority?  I doubt it.  But again as quite as it is kept the majority of white folks are struggling.. running around shooting places up, ODing on opiates, and putting all their hopes on 45.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When you say evil is rewarded, what is your idea of concept of "evil"?

 

Zuckerberg, 45...

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But again as quite as it is kept the majority of white folks are struggling.. running around shooting places up, ODing on opiates, and putting all their hopes on 45.


Come on brutha don't believe that......
Those situations where it appears that Caucasians are going through hard times are STAGED to deceive you and make you think racism isn't the problem.  Designed to make you feel sorry for them while they continue to set you up for destruction.

They are what Neely Fuller calls "White sacrifices".

Most Caucasians who are poor and living a jacked up life are in that condition because they WANT to be.
They want to smoke, use drugs, or live in a trailer park living off of road kill.  They laugh and tell jokes about smoking cigarettes and getting cancer and other health problems.  I'm sure you've seen this many times and if you doubt what I'm saying ask Mel.  She said she worked with poor White folks in the hills so she should know exactly what I'm talking about even if she doesn't agree with the motives I give.

AfroAmericans don't think like this.  We don't like poverty or drug abuse but most AfroAmericans just can't figure out how to get out and because our psyches are different most AfroAmericans have a hard time believing that Caucasians don't think like them and would rather be poor.

I told you many times not to worry about poor Whites because most poor Caucasians WANT to be poor and live like they're living!  If they didn't want to, they could change their situation in a few months because they have the knowledge and resources to do so.

 

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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

most poor Caucasians WANT to be poor and live like they're living!  If they didn't want to, they could change their situation in a few months because they have the knowledge and resources to do so.

 

Man your whole last post sounds crazy. Do you know white male suicide rates are climbing and life expectancy is declining. Do you know millions of white families lost their homes in the 2008 housing crisis. 

 

So you are saying Neely Fuller believes white men are killing themselves to make Black people feel sorry for them? Do you really believe this?

 

Most of the people who die from smoking are white -- more 1,000 every single day. You believe they want to die this way?! Are you serious?

 

You believe, the white veterans I have to step over, while they beg for money in streets of NYC are doing this to set us up for "destruction?"  

 

Has your racism blinded you so competely that you have no empathy for poor people who are white?

 

@Pioneer1 how is this thinking any different than a white racist's?

 

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The athleticism in this video is prodigious and the women are all beautiful. Did you peep the back somersault. The gymnast in me is impressed.

 

All jokes aside, @Mel Hopkins and @Pioneer1 (or anyone) still no problem with these videos and kids?

 

I'd never seen any of these videos until just before posting them -- I now know there are pleny of these videos, I'm sure enough to watch continously for days. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Troy said:

 

Man your whole last post sounds crazy. Do you know white male suicide rates are climbing and life expectancy is declining. Do you know millions of white families lost their homes in the 2008 housing crisis. 

 

So you are saying Neely Fuller believes white men are killing themselves to make Black people feel sorry for them? Do you really believe this?

 

Most of the people who die from smoking are white -- more 1,000 every single day. You believe they want to die this way?! Are you serious?

 

You believe, the white veterans I have to step over, while they beg for money in streets of NYC are doing this to set us up for "destruction?"  

 

Has your racism blinded you so competely that you have no empathy for poor people who are white?

 

@Pioneer1 how is this thinking any different than a white racist's?

 

 

 

Because unlike AfroAmericans, Native Americans, and other oppressed people of color.....most of their problems are caused BY THEM.

Many of them WANT to be in the conditions they are in because if they didn't' they have the knowledged and resources to pull themelves out within a matter of MONTHS (not years).

They'll poison an entire water supply system that THEY have to drink out of also, if it gives them an opportunity to harm enough people of color.
They'll poison foods and medincines that they must also use, if it means harming people of color.


Neely Fuller Jr. has said repeatedly for over 60 years that IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHITE SUPREMACY AND HOW IT WORKS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WILL CONFUSE YOU!

Again, you aren't Caucasian and you don't think like them so you have a hard time believing this.

It's a worker-ant mentality where they'll gladly give their lives to promote the "Greater Cause" of Caucasian domination.

 

 

 

 

 

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@Pioneer1 do you have any white friends that you talk to on a regular basis? Do you believe any of them buy into what you are saying?

 

Also, I'm familiar, as you know, with Fuller and I'm not convinced you are acurately representing his position.

 

How'd you like the Twerking video?

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How'd you like the Twerking video?


I didn't like the video because like most of Cardi B's videos it was too "slutty".

It's not the nudity or sexuality itself that's the problem, it's how she delivers it.
The funny face making, the coochie patting, and the hooker/stripper scenes along with her NASTY sounding vocals.
The girls sounds like a straight up dude!
She reminds me of Lil Kim and her deep ass voice which I never found sexy.

 

 

 

do you have any white friends that you talk to on a regular basis? Do you believe any of them buy into what you are saying?


I have many Caucasians that I'm friendly with.
Many have helped me and I have helped them.
But I'm not fooled by their smiles or kind words or even trinkets and tokens of gesture. At the end of the day most of them believe in White Supremacy and it's their religion.

It's like a person who claims to be an atheist but gets married and lives a traditional life.  You can SAY what you will but your actions speak louder than your rhetoric.


 

 

 

Also, I'm familiar, as you know, with Fuller and I'm not convinced you are acurately representing his position.

 

Well then I'll let him tell you himself about how Caucasians will willingly suffer and sacrifice themselves just to support the system of White Supremacy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah  i actually heard these videos before. I was of the impression that racists would sacrifice other whites for their cause not that white people would be lining up to sacrifice themselves. Again, on its face that makes no sense.

 

Sure you could probably find some crazy some crazy white person that would do that, but that cast majority would not. They, like every other rational person they are trying to achieve and maintain a basic level of confort or even improve upon it for themselves and their children -- not to serve as cannon fodder for some other racist.

 

Just because Nelly Fuller, apparently, says this does not make it true.

 

I asked you if you had any white friends. Judging by your response the answer is clearly no. As a racist you can't see the world any other way. I felt the same way until i actually got to know some white people.

 

So @Pioneer1, you found the video (ove 107 million views) to be "slutty." Do you think it, and the others like it, are appropriate for kids?

 

What do you think the motivation, for funding and producing this slutty video is for the white people at Universal Music Group?

 

 

 

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On 9/3/2019 at 6:25 AM, Troy said:

All jokes aside, @Mel Hopkins and @Pioneer1 (or anyone) still no problem with these videos and kids?


@Troy  no. 

I thought I already mentioned, I'd have a problem with children on a steady diet of

  1. violence; bullying,
  2. name calling,
  3. "cursing" (not to be confused with cussing), 
  4. consumerism,
  5. especially Cardi B & Nicki Minaj and most new school emcees videos because they promote consumerism,
  6. spectator sports -(unless it awakens the child's warrior spirit and inspires them to discipline their minds and bodies),
  7. and proselytizing any religious beliefs.  

There's probably a few other social engineering activities that I haven't mentioned that would inspire a teaching moment too.  


BUT there's no way I'd have a problem with children watching performers express themselves through music, dance, song, and acting.

 

I like Normani's music video. She gave a good performance at the recent MTV music awards too.

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Pointing out the truth about Caucasians doesn't make me a racist any more than a woman pointing out the fact that men are the primary rapists in every society makes her sexist.



Yeah i actually heard these videos before. I was of the impression that racists would sacrifice other whites for their cause not that white people would be lining up to sacrifice themselves. Again, on its face that makes no sense.


It makes no sense to YOU because you aren't a White Supremacist and you don't think like them.
All you have to do is look at the behavior of the poor Caucasians and the over 53% of Caucasian women who STILL voted for 45 and the other Republicans who they know really don't give a shit about them and their stuggles to get a picture that these people are voting for a "greater cause" than their own personal interests.

The ants will sacrifice their lives to maintain the colony and the queen.

 

 

 


What do you think the motivation, for funding and producing this slutty video is for the white people at Universal Music Group?


I BELIEVE (because I don't know for sure) they do it for 2 purposes:

1. To negatively influence the behavior of AfroAmerican youth, especially AfroAmerican girls at a very young age to keep the community destablized and in a state of chaos where the males and females don't trust eachother.
The boys then begin to see the girls as vulgar and shameless "gold diggers".

2. To maintain the negative and hyper-sexual image that AfroAmerican women already have around the world to JUSTIFY further sexual assaults and mistreatment of them by Caucasian men.

While there's nothing wrong with hyper-sexuality in and of itself, when a woman is portrayed AS hyper-sexual then it becomes easier to justify sexually mistreating her....as if she were "asking" for it anyway which is the common excuse used when African women are mistreated.

 

 

 


Incase you were building up to asking me what would be a good example of non-slutty female sexuality, I would say the old Shaka Zulu movie that used to come on in the 80s and 90s that featured beautiful nude African women going about their day to day business.

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Most of the nudity wasn't sexual but it was African female nudity shown in a very beautiful and sensual way that I still remember and relish. I'm sure it's one of the reasons that movie is no longer shown on television today. 

If you notice television since the 70s, they took REAL nudity off of the television but increased the amount of ghetto trashiness with shows like Jerry Springer and the rap videos featuring ghetto girls in spandex and tank-tops with tattoos all over them either fighting or twerking and being hosed down with champagne.

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@Mel Hopkins I was asking about that specific video (linked below).   All of the points you mentioned are subjective and have meaning in context.  A simple thumbs up or thumbs down on the specific Cardi video I shared would be helpful to understand where you draw the line.  I don't think the problem with this Cardi B. video is consumerism.  It take my concerned about the Normani video to the next level.

 

It is being viewed at a rate of 1 millions views a day since it has been posted thanks to Google profiting off concert tickets sales and God knows what else.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Caucasians and the over 53% of Caucasian women who STILL voted for 45

 

Many of these very same people also voted for Obama.  People are desperate for change -- for things to improve.  But even these people were not in the majority. Remember 45 lost the popular vote by about 3 million votes if memory serves.

 

So you don't think money had anything to do with Universal's motivation to create these "slutty" videos with our sistas shaking their butts non-stop?  Of course an utterly complete disregard for how we are represented in the global media makes this possible.  

 

Shaka Zulu?! Staring David Hasselhoff? Ni99a phulese! Next you'll be citing marvel's Black Panther representation of Black culture. 

 

Greedy rich white people will do anything for money.  White people will murder us at a clip 1,300 (mostly other white people) through the sale of cigarettes -- far-and-away eclipsing opioid overdose by a factor of 7!

 

The people running the NFL, UMG, Facebook, Phillip Morris, whoever, only care about money. Any harm done to Black and white people is purely incidental.  Of course they will use race to keep us at each other's throats, when the need arises, to keep us distracted while they poison us, destroy the planet, and fleece of all our wealth. 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, money has SOME influence on their decisions but it's just a MEANS to a greater end.
Which is power and control.

 

 

Shaka Zulu?! Staring David Hasselhoff? Ni99a phulese! Next you'll be citing marvel's Black Panther representation of Black culture.


I didn't say Shaka Zulu represented ideal Black culture, I'm talking strictly about the aesthetics of beautiful African women portrayed in a more positive image.
I've seen SLAVE movies where African women were portrayed more positively and less slutty (vulgar and low class) than most hiphop videos today.  12 Years A Slave had a scene featuring naked Black women in a room being judged and sized up for their fitness as slaves.  Their bodies were naked, unmarked, untatooed, attractive.  No funny faces, gruff voices, violence in the background, and vulgar behavior....just nude African women.

Which is enough for a straight man to love.




Greedy rich white people will do anything for money. White people will murder us at a clip 1,300 (mostly other white people) through the sale of cigarettes -- far-and-away eclipsing opioid overdose by a factor of 7!

The people running the NFL, UMG, Facebook, Phillip Morris, whoever, only care about money. Any harm done to Black and white people is purely incidental. Of course they will use race to keep us at each other's throats, when the need arises, to keep us distracted while they poison us, destroy the planet, and fleece of all our wealth.


If you think it's all about money then you don't understand White Supremancy and how it works.

Again, money is just ONE COMPONENT in the overall objective of White Supremacy, which is to dominate and control non-white humanity.
If it was ALL about money or ONLY about money then why would they object to Bill Cosby buying NBC or Oprah buying ABC. They had plenty of money to do it, but the Caucasians who controled those networks refused all offers to sell regardless of the amount. Because unlike many of our people, they know it's about MORE than just money but about power and control which will bring you MORE money as well as many other benefits.

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6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm talking strictly about the aesthetics of beautiful African women portrayed in a more positive image.

 

I dunno man maybe I should watch the film (again). It just seems to me movies, made by white men  that show Black women's bodies, are always suspect -- ala Hallie Berry in monster's ball, or the rump-shaking rap video. It is how they get their kicks.

 

"First you get money, then you get the mother fuckin' power..."

 

"C.R.E.A.M."

 

Acquisition of money is all about power. Broke people exert very little power. Even millionaire's can be powerless if they are waiting around for an employer to cut them a check.

 

The truly powerful, in 2019, are not racist, but they will use racism to increase their wealth/power as quickly as they will start a war, sell cancer sticks, sell other humans -- including their own children.

 

 

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Believe it or not, in Hollywood....especially when it comes to major motion pictures......historically speaking Caucasian men tend to have more respect and admiration for African women's bodies that AfroAmerican men do!

1. They tend to be extra careful of their image as to not be called or considered racist.

2. Caucasian men have less mental and moral restrictions that AfroAmerican men.
Most of them are atheist and believe religion and morality are bullshit anyway, so if they can find an African woman and convince her to get naked they have no problem promoting her body to it's furthest end.
Contrast that with the average AfroAmerican man who has grown up in a religious influenced and sexually conservative atmosphere where everyone is sneaking around having sex but no one is talking about it.

 

 

 

The truly powerful, in 2019, are not racist, but they will use racism to increase their wealth/power


Dear fellow......
Can you please explain to me.....in terms that even Pioneer can understand...how a person can USE raicsm to increase their wealth and power, without actually being racist themselves?

And these "truly powerful" people, what race do you think they would call themselves?

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