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ProfD AfroAmericans have decades worth of data & evidence to make the case for current circumstances, conditions & predicament. True. Continuing with the analogy... The question is when are AfroAmericans going to take action by 1) taking that case to court & 2) changing the conditions. Analysis & studies work up to a point in building a case. Nothing changes without action & effort You make good points as usual. 2 things to consider concerning your two suggestions: 1. Which court (or legal body) would AfroAmericans plead their case TO if they decided to do so? What court in this world would even be willing the hear the case injustice done to AfroAmericans and if wrong doing was found, how would the penalties and restitution be enforced? 2. Changing the conditions often times involves increasing the level of KNOWLEDGE needed to bring about that change. You don't exchange a shitty job for a better without LEARNING how to do that better one. You don't exchange a raggedy how for a better house without LEARNING where and how to buy a better one or how to fix up the one you have. You kneed KNOWLEDGE in order to change the condition from bad to worse Now..... A perquisite for knowledge is INTELLIGENCE. Meaning, in order to learn more knowledge you have to be INTELLIGENT (proper working brain) enough to understand and retain the information you're getting so that you can put it to use. So another question would be, are the BRAINS of our people....collectively....in the proper condition to receive such knowledge? "Hey there bud...... You've been living here in this park begging humans for food for years now. Why don't you learn how to build a house and grow your own trees and nuts for food?"

I'm going to presume that most of us on this site are over 50 years of age, so we've been around and have observed atleast 2 if not many more generations in order to make a comparison. How many of you think the OVER ALL financial and social conditions in the United States....especially for AfroAmericans...are better today than they were in the 70s or 80s? Whether you say yes or no, please state your reasons.............. I'll go first by honestly saying: I'm not sure. Houses and cars are nicer today than they were 40 years ago.......but homelessness itself seems to have increased. I'm not sure if homelessness has increased relative to the size of the population or if the actual percentage itself has increased since the 70s or 80s. However I believe the percentage of homelessness indeed HAS increased. I think jobs are more plentiful today than they were back in the day, but the relative wages aren't paying the same. It's harder for the "average" person without a college degree to make a decent independent living today than back 40 or 50 years ago. I think dating and finding intimate relationships is either harder or trickier today than 30 or 40 years ago. I'm not determining this based on myself, but based on a lot of the younger men and women I'm seeing and hearing and the problems they are experiencing. A lot more people are dealing with personal trauma, baggage, and even psychiatric issues like autism and ADHD than back in the day. While social media has made it easier for those who ARE attractive to hook up with eachother, it seems as if there are a lot more people with "weird" problems....both men and women....that take them out of the sex/dating pool all together. I also believe that incarceration is far higher today than it was 40 or 50 years ago. Even much higher than the 90s during the so-called Clinton Crime Bill era that has received so much notoriety. Even in the 90s you didn't see or hear about so many private prisons as you do now. Again, I'm not sure if the increase in incarceration is due to the increase in population....or if the percentage has risen.

ProfD If you steal a house & fix it up & other folks show up as squatters...are they illegal aliens? They are certainly illegal as well as accomplices to YOUR theft....lol. However whether they're aliens or not depends on their citizenship status. Individuals don't have the power to dictate that they get a livable wage. Unions even have a hard time getting pay increases. That's why I can't be too hard on adult AfroAmericans who are working these low wage and minimum wage jobs. Many of them are taking what they can get to survive. If they could find jobs with higher pay, they'd take them. Feudalism never really went away. Like Slavery, it just transformed itself. And most Central Americans are streaming into the United States to go right along with it and take their place as good peasants for their "lords". The government tries to create rules & safeguards to make life bearable for citizens. Ultimately, politicians end up working within the interests of those who control wealth. The labor market is controlled in such a way to enrich the wealthy while providing the average person with just enough to survive And even THAT is tricky, because who is actually "average" and how do they decide who is average and who is not? Do they factor expensive medical and legal issues into their "averages"? Average people often make stupid and expensive mistakes, do they factor those in? A lot of average people are falling through the cracks because average from their perspective often looks like PERFECT from those in the working class.

We're living in interesting times..... People are firing missiles at eachother and destroying buildings during "cease fires"....lol. First you saw it with Israel and Hamas. Now you're seeing it with the U.S. and Iran. The entire war is carrying on as usual, while both sides are accusing eachother of breaking the "cease fire"....lol. Like Ned the Wino would say: Now what does that tell you? Huh? Huh?

Lol....it just COULDN'T be their brains.

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AfroAmericans have decades worth of data & evidence to make the case for current circumstances, conditions & predicament. Continuing with the analogy... The question is when are AfroAmericans going to take action by 1) taking that case to court & 2) changing the conditions. Analysis & studies work up to a point in building a case. Nothing changes without action & effort.😎

You're right. These racists are using illegal alien as a slur. If you steal a house & fix it up & other folks show up as squatters...are they illegal aliens?🤣 Greed & profits prevent paying livable wages. Individuals don't have the power to dictate that they get a livable wage. Unions even have a hard time getting pay increases. Feudalism never really went away.😁 The government tries to create rules & safeguards to make life bearable for citizens. Ultimately, politicians end up working within the interests of those who control wealth. The labor market is controlled in such a way to enrich the wealthy while providing the average person with just enough to survive.😎

I didn't pose the question as a truth. I'm aware of our history too. To endure a life of slavery & continue procreating over 400 years is a long time.😎

@ProfD Since you don't know all I can say is, keep that truth and the rest of your views. All I will say is I know and I differ.

How would enslaved Black folks born in the USA during the 1800s have known any different or better? During the 1800s, I doubt that enslaved Black folks were receiving postcards & letters from free Black folks letting them know life was better in other countries. 😁 As I mentioned in another thread, despite its warts, the USA must not be that bad considering it seems to an immigration destination for people from all over the planet.😎

While a curfew may be harder to enforce, threaten a Black parents pockets & freedom & maybe they will put clamps on allowing their children to roam aroumd causing chaos & mayhem.😁 Social media is definitely to blame for stirring young folks up to act foolish.😎

As @aka Contrarian mentioned in another thread, fhe great Jazz saxophonist, Sonny Rollins has joined the celestial orchestra. Sonny Rollins was the last living musician in this 1958 picture A Great Day in Harlem: His legacy as a musician is cemented. Thanks for the music. RIP Mr. Sonny Rollins.😎

Point well taken.

@Troy I am not going to answer your question outside of the following. I am stateless and think what you will @aka Contrarian like the romani in europe, the okinawans in japan,the nuba in egypt/kemet, many peoples spend so long abused by a larger populace, more potent group that their being dominated becomes a heritage. What Pioneer said led me to realize the key to when this happened, was 1865. From 1492 to 1865 no black person could say the usa was better than canada or mexico , either they were equal to the usa, Or after england banned enslavement or mexico banned enslavement ala jonas caballo, both canada or mexico made slavery illegal while slavery was still legal in the usa. Then from 1865 to 1980 the black wife was still shackled by the white mate, but he spent time explaining why she was enslaved/ alal the prison system + sharecropping+ absent government funding for anything. But in the 1865 time, before and after was key. As henry louis gates jr admited, the black church pondered whether to use violence or nonviolence. I am still trying to find out this meeting and vote, but from what he says, by one vote, nonviolence won and , i argue the rest is history. Pioneer says what country is better, but while modernity, 2026 can argue the usa is better, in the 1800s, the usa wasn't better for black people than any other country. So black leaders embracing the usa as a home was not based on laws or finance, but hope or faith. And sadly, black people, the black wife, paid for that gamble with modernity, consequences. @Pioneer1 thankyou for your prose, You expose a key point in black history in the usa, and how black people are to blame for the current condition en large in the usa. I think aka is correct. as Nina Simone said, black people are willing to march but not willing to die, she blamed malcolm/martin and others death on black people in the usa, saying they are willing to march but not die but you expose the source of that choice and it isn't whites but black people in the past.

Sure. The military plays war games. It's nothing to mobilize troops & send them to different places & sit around. They're getting paid regardless. 😁 At least once a week, POTUS OJ threatens the USA could go back into the conflict. He doesn't mention ground troops though. His pump fake has become hot air.😎

Nice work @Mel Hopkins

An abused wife who is a masochist stays because her mental state of mind equates pain with pleasure. If she is not masochistic she will leave and seek help from the many shelters and havens that society provides for such cases.

ProfD However, I don't think it's right to call another human being an illegal alien. An alien simply means a person not from the land. It's just been used colloquially these past 100 years or so to mean Beings from outter space, but it originally meant humans from another nation or region. Forcing someone into a s8xual encounter does make the perpetrator a rapist. If that's the case, doesn't being in a country you're not from illegally make you an illegal alien or atleast an illegal migrant? Whichethnicity comes to mind when you hear the term illegal alien? Lol...that's obvious. But it applies to any ethnicity or race. That's like asking what ethnic group does the word "slave" remind you of. We know. But there have been White and Asian slaves for thousands of years. Right. Low wage jobs aren't meant to be careers. It should be a stepping stone whether summer employment or part-time to finish school. Not to build a life &/or raise a family. It depends on a person's quality of living and ambitions. Maybe that's all they want to aspire to in this world. A low wage job is no good for an adult if it doesn't cover shelter, food, clothing & health insurance, etc. And that's an issue that the government and society itself should be addressing. Why do we have ANY job that a person can't cover the basic necessities of life like food, clothing, shelter, and healthcare from a normal 40 hours of work? They SHOULD pay more...so why don't they? The failure lies in AfroAmericans depending on someone else for a job instead of creating them. While you're right that COLLECTIVELY AfroAmericans should be producing jobs for ourselves, as INDIVIDUALS most people period aren't qualified to actually go out and start their own successful business and work for themselves. They must go out and find a job to get paid and support themselves. They should have the right to do so. Most factory jobs have been out-sourced to other countries where labor is cheaper &/or replaced by automation. Not only have they outsourced many of the jobs but now they're been importing cheap labor in the form of illegal immigrants and intentionally preventing them from having any legal or political power by not making them actual citizens. They've started a literal "peasant class" in this nation. It goes back to our government and them allowing it to happen. The same politicians who allow jobs that pay BELOW minimum wage in places like the service sector and agricultural industry are the same politicians who are fighting openly and behind closed doors to bring illegal in by the millions to displace American workers.

ProfD IMO, percentage doesn't matter because it will only be used to discourage &/or as an excuse not to do better. Perhaps in some cases. However knowing the percentage will also provide evidence that there is more to poverty and lack of success in a community than simple lack of effort. It may also be evidence of lack of opportunity or coordinated efforts to disenfranchise them. For example..... Say yu got a million Black people. The law of averages say that because these people are of average intelligence...MOST of them should be able to make a living for themselves. So if 50% are homeless and/or in jail....obviously something unusual and unnatural is going on and perhaps they are being mistreated and targeted for disenfranchisement. Again, statistics won't lead to action & productivity. True, but as stated before....it can be used as evidence of mistreatment. You're building a case. Like a woman who is doing a good job but not being promoted because she won't go out with her boss. She establishes a paper trail and collects evidence to help support her case of unfair treatment.

ProfD The USA has not put any boots on the ground in Iran. Whole war has been aerial. So, the chance of a draft are zero. Trump just sent nearly 10,000 troops over to the region a few weeks ago. You don't mobilize that many troops to a spot for nothing. All of the energy and manpower isn't going to go to waste. They're just setting things up for a much bigger operation. Most military strategists can readily see this. No different from Desert Storm & War in Iraq back in the 1990s & 2000s. No protests during those conflicts either. There were no protests for Desert Storm but I do remember massive protests back in 2003 for George Dubya's "revenge" attack on Hussein. There were protests all over the nation for that one. They didn't help, but they did make their point known. I would offer that people are doing well enough to keep a roof over their heads, food in the fridge, reliable transportation, alcohol, drugs, etc. & just enough access to money & credit to make ends meet. I'd say this applies to some people...maybe even most....MAYBE...but there's a large enough percentage of people who are going through some real hard shit right now but it's almost as if they're invisible in society because they're being drowned out by the giggles and smiles of the "haves" not just on social media but in society. America is so crowded that literal HALF of the population could fall into destitution/poverty but as long as the other half is prosperous it wouldn't even be noticed. All you'd see are people walking around with shopping bags smiling and pecking away at their cell phones. Another thing is that so many people who fall through the cracks are getting locked up that how do we know how well the public is REALLY doing? You're doing well and making a living....until you're not...then you end up disappearing after a few months because of doing something illegal to survive. Troy In addition to what @ProfD wrote what are you expecting Vietnam type like protests? Again completely different situations. Start forcing a bunch of poor people onto the front lines and get them killed. It will be a whole different story. I seriously doubt that would be the case today. I really believe the fake weed and social media has turned the masses into selfish zombies who could care less about their next door neighbor let alone world events. But I also think people are less informed. Distracted by a variety of things… dare I say it… social media. I agree. Infact, I posted the above about social media before even reading your next line implicating it. Most Americans are distracted and brainwashed....even for their own good. out of curiosity have you ever heard of democracy now before? Ofcourse. They cover protests and expose government cover ups and the like. However if I have to click on a website to see people protesting and outraged...obviously it hasn't reached the stage of being public sentiment yet.

Black Americans aren't masochistic. Most don't like the current situation but don't know of any BETTER options. What is an abused wife to do? Leave her abusive husband and go live out in the woods where the wolves and bears will be much nicer to her?

With the advent of summer weather, Chicago, like a few other places, is now faced with what has become the latest problem involving urban youth, wherein masses of exclusively black young people clued and enabled by the telegraph of social media, converge and congregate at a given vicinity from where they spill out into the down town business districts and public beaches, dissolving into swarms of marauding crowds roaming around, yelling and dancing, creating disturbances, engaging in minor skirmishes and vandalism and occasional gun fire, offenses that have led to police intervention and arrests. Talk about idle time being the playground of the devil! This has really discouraged ordinary adult Chicagoans and tourists of all races from venturing out to enjoy the sights and sounds of Chicago's summer time festivities. Similar gathering have been reported by white suburban teenagers on a smaller basis, while Hispanic mobs reportedly confine their swarming to their barrios. No one seems to know how to deal with the situation other than to blame parents for not controlling their children. This is a tickingtime bomb ready to explode into rioting and violent law enforcement intervention. Chicago's black Democratic mayor is tip-toeing around the issue, not wanting to alienate his black base, resorting to the familiar litany of there not being enough resources to supply these young people with wholesome recreation activities, all the while continuing to discourage calls for a 10:pm curfew. Media coverage of these outbreaks are also causing controversy. Needless to say, NOBODY is happy about the situation, but a certain segment of Chicago's black population is joining the chorus blaming "bad parenting", which they attribute to the "babies havin babies"plague that created a whole generation of young parents who are clueless about child rearing, and who empathize with, rather than discipline their kids. The latest action taken emanates from the States attorney office, where threats are being made to serve negligent parents of cited offenders, with a fine of $5,000 or up to one year sentence in jail... In addition to everything else, this is yet another situation to fan the flames of Donald Trump's campaign to blemish Chicago's image.

Talk about a generation gap. I am unfamiliar with Rob Base. But I do join the music world in mourning the passing of legendary jazz saxophonist, Sonny Rollins, who just joined that celestial combo in the sky. He was in his 90s.

Black folks are masochistic; like an abused wife who stays with her mate because - it hurts so good.