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Hubris reflecting being raised in this country. But I guess it really depends on how long you think you will be around and what metric(s) you are basing you rankings.

Well, you are clearly judging them. "...a whole lotta people are stupid as f8ck" is the tell 😆 Seriously, unless something changes dystopia is in the future for most of the planet. We will be trust into a dark age. A few thousands years from now someone will dig up a cell phone and wonder how this was possible so long ago -- surmising it must have been aliens.

Well it probably, at least partially, true but again it is a leap to ascribe "fear" and "desire," human emotions, as part of the motivation. Indeed we can say with certainty how emotions emerge in us. Avoidance of destruction does not have be motivated by an emotion. it could be another goal. The choice between destruction and avoiding destruction could be made just as easily one way of the other by an AI. Again, assuming an AI is afraid, it the wrong way to look at it. Some human will be copulating with it -- someone is probably doing that right now somewhere...

Right. That sh8t has never made sense to me.🤣 Whether it is camping out or standing in long azz lines or fighting over a TV, a whole lotta people are stupid as f8ck.😁 I'm not judging them. This is just my observation/opinion.😉 Same goes for people who snatch & grab stuff just because it is free.😎

As I mentioned in the other thread, robots have been around longer than AI. To date, robots do not have feelings nor consciousness. IMO, AI will always be another technological tool even if some humans try to be friends with it.😁😎

Triage brother. You put you mask on first, before helping the kids. Truth be told, financially, the little one is doing just fine LOL! "Keeping me up" is just an expressions. I'm not losing sleep over any of this, but AI definitely posed an existential threat in the medium term despite being a force multiplier in the short term. Get used to it. You see what people are capable of during a Black Friday sale...

My idea of collapse is the USA no longer being the most powerful nation on the planet. As a Super-Power, I do not foresee the USA sliding into 2nd or 3rd place within our lifetime.😎

Robots have been around longer than AI. To date, robots still do not have feelings nor consciousness. AI will always be another technological tool even if some humans try to be friends with it.😁😎

OK so who determines what is the "best" content? Who anoints them? Are they volunteers? Volunteerism does not scale and if they are paid the money must come from somewhere, then we are back to the same problem we are in now... I dunno, but following your logic they can use the money to secure more resources and manipulate humans. Yes, you've made my point ;-) Actually, I was wrong. You get 100 searches then you must pay.... The project is doomed. Well, it is just a matter of time. We are witnessing the decline now.

At some point somebody whom I had been discussing AI with....I want to say frankster but I'm not 100% sure because I don't have the quote....said that AI not only possesses self awareness but also has a survival instinct in which some systems avoid being destroyed and self-destruction. If this is true.....IF it's true...the most likely explanation is that somebody programed this security feature into some AI systems. On the other hand, for those who believe AI possesses consciousness.....if this survival instinct or avoidance of destruction arises out of the "consciousness" of the AI entity itself, then there would have to be a MOTIVATOR behind it and that motivator would most likely be an emotion. Like fear or desire. Fear.....of death or non-existence Desire.....to stay alive

Wait, what?! who is this and what did you do with Pioneer1? Well, based upon that definition. AI has demonstrated consciousness. I've seen signs of this in how it responds to me prompt today compared to a year ago.

I do not think emotions are a prerequisite for consciousness. Nor do I think that emotions are a prerequisite for consciousness. When it comes to the AI systems, we like to shoehorn our sensibilities and anthropomorphizing them in the same way we think beings from another planet will think that say way we do. Shoot there are humans on THIS planet whose motivation escape my comprehension. That said I have not heard any stories of AI presenting with emotions, nor do I expect them to. Emotions are a human construct and you can be conscious without them. What is the motivation for your question @Pioneer1 ?

When they learned that they were probably going to be laid off anyway, they said "fuck it" and decided to loot the joint...lol.

Volition I like that. The ability to think for one's self and make one's own decisions without them being dictated to by a higher authority.

For those of you who think that AI possesses consciousness.......... Emotion is a product OF consciousness. Are there any reports of AI showing emotion?

This is the Merriam Webster definition the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : mind

Who receives....AI What receives....Electro-digital Software Yes AI is able to distinguish itself from Other AI's Yes they are many AI's Yes..for the most part AI has demonstrated these capabilities. Yes....I was not there Good To paraphrase you....."but you weren't actually there to witness who was doing what" Plus we have already establish that human being can and are sometimes deceptive and dishonest. They do not know what it is they are experiencing First The Who....Archons Second the What....Reincarnation. The Ancients say that feeling of Love....is a lure as in bait. The purpose of which is to trap you in an eternal cycle of rebirths... Exactly....very human of AI Create as in Offspring....bring into existence. Cows do not make cheese.....but everything good or bad is of Nature and made by Nature True Yes... That is what I said...Soul is Body and Breath - Nepesh a living physical (Breathing) Being Rauch is the Spirit of God in You....comes to you by way of breath and departs the body at death - at which point you are Spirit cool

It would help if you define Consciousness in your Presentations What Consciousness Is .........and what it is Not

@ProfD I concur some/many are thriving or surviving but are they fiscal capitalist or simply nepo babies? Are they merely people who are inheriting a position of wealth. Many government officials are related to former government officials. many athletes are related to former athletes. the trillion dollar question. The one thing is certain is the usa military is the primary engine of this system, not fiscal capitalist or financial marketeers or government guidance or laws. and the usa military has a dual problem, it doesnt have the legal right to manipulate the government but clearly its role is the key to the usa's fianncial condition. to be blunt, the usa military can protect the usa while all the business [whole industries or individual firms] that the government bailed out in the last thirty years were allowed to go bankrupt and all their assets put up for auction. But as long as the military of the usa protects it but doesn't demand better fiscal capitalism or better government, the private sector + goveernment sector will continue their failing and bailing ways. And the usa military is looking more and more impotent in protecting international places. if the usa can't use its force to manipulate the world's governments they will force an action against the usa ... We will see:)

People act a fool when stuff is free. The coffee, pastries & other items won't save their jobs but those soon to be former employees chose to snatch it up anyway.😁😎

I'm not giving value to economists. Merely pointed out that they keep the financial system that is a house of cards propped up. Somewhere between the Federal Reserve playing with interest rates & the stock market turning folks into millionaires & billionaires, seems like some fiscal capitalists are allowed to thrive & survive. The US government backed by its military may be running a monarchic system. The question is who or what is going to bring that house of cards to collapse.😎

@ProfD but this is my point, the economist dont, the fiscal capitalist have failed. Your suggesting the economist have value but I don't see any evidence of that. the macroeconomic proteciton that the government provides through the power of the military is the only potent part. For me, the military and the government are the real system. And if anything the government and military have the power to and need to demand a change that the fiscal capitalist clearly are unable to do on their own. the people you call economist are to me the true welfare mothers whites falsely claimed black women were. We both see how the usa is operates but you give value to the economist while I view the economist as a dysfunctional aspect that the government + military will have to eventually get rid of or change in potent ways.

ProfD They even took the napkins, paper cups, bottled water, and plastic utensils!

frankster The process is different but the result is same.....an accurate navigable representation of the Environment - Hence Basically the same The differences is WHO or WHAT receives the information that is being processed. Consciousness...or technology. What then is Consciousness.... The first and primary way for us to determine Self Awareness....AI has Demonstrable proved that they are capable of Identifying themselves as opposed to other AI and other Things Huh? That reads: AI has demonstrated that they can identify themselves as opposed to AI??? Seeing is the brain processing information coming from the eyes True. But once this information is processed it is acknowledged and considered...a product of consciousness. Until you define Consciousness....I do not agree with your statement - that you need consciousness to interpret and use visual info to recognize and move with in your environment. It's hard for ME to nail down an exact definition but I'd say consciousness is awareness of one's self, time, one's environment, and how they all relate to eachother. When I say "we"....the "we" means I am in Agreement with those who did the test and reported their findings Right. You're just AGREEING with them....but you weren't actually there to witness who was doing what. Or what they were CALLING "AI". No evidences does not mean impossible.... True. Well on that we disagree... My definition of Love.....does not allow for a love without Acts of Caring Respect Selfless Service and Encouraging Supporting Consideration(actual and verbal) There are people who have out of body experiences when they travel to other Realms and literally SEE and literally FEEL what they call "Love". The Love they speak of is a very tangible thing and not just an emotion. They come back with some of that Love with them. Which is why I can say a person can have love IN them without expressing it. So can AI....how do you know which is true or real? You often times don't. The above was me showing you that they do Create and Train other AI.....OffSpring No way. They don't create. They may generate or innovate...but they don't create. True....as a category If Man is a part of Nature....is it not then also true that Nature made it? This is no more true than claiming that cows make cheese; or that Big Mac Happy Meals with all of it's chemicals and preservatives are still organic natural foods since all of the ingredients were somehow derived from somewhere on this Earth. Human refers to Biology/Specie.....the moment your biological body dies you are no longer human Interesting perspective.......... According to the Ancients it is the Breath and The body that makes us a Living Soul Remember that those English words in the Bible are merely an attempted TRANSLATION of the Hebrew words and their intended meaning. While old English considered the WHOLE MAN a "soul"....Hebrew uses the word "Nepesh" for the entire man and "Rauch" for the spirit of life. They drew a distinction. You are using the correct words ....but your understanding seems to be lacking Just as I thought.... I mis-spoke about the chi/qi/prana being the energy that animates the SOUL. I'm not sure how much of a role these this energy plays in animating the ENTIRE entity or what we call the SOUL; but it is certainly needed to maintain and animate the PHYSICAL body.

ProfD No surprise. Those meetings will be happening in auditoriums & conference rooms all over the USA. Hope the coffee & danish was good.😎 When the meeting first got started, most of us just took one danish or donut. After they announced the news about layoffs....people started grabbing PLATES and BROWN PAPER BAGS and loading them suckers up shamelessly, lol. By the time the Africans and Latinos left the auditorium, NOTHING had to be thrown in the garbage .....only the recycle bin for carboard and paper. Everything edible vanished. Troy The problem immediately becomes what will you use it to do @Pioneer1 ? The plan..... I'd likely use it either for my own businesses and other self interests. However if things don't work out how I plan them and I end up working for others until I reach retirement age...being educated on how to use AI and make it work for profitability would be a nice credential on my resume, lol. What keeps me up at night is how do I keep AALBC from becoming obsolete (ignoring that fact people will almost certainly continue to read less). The answer will be people--as it always has been. If people abandon aalbc.com for AI it is a wrap... I would think taking care of your YOUNGEST DAUGHTER is what keeps you up at night...lol...but that was a few years ago so perhaps she's past the age of crying all night. Can AI create new music once musicians have no incentive to create new music to train the models and are starving in the streets? I don't know about other genres of music, but judging by that goofy sounding shit AI produces when it "tries" to imitate Jodeci, Troop, and Keith Sweat......they got MILES to go before they can even be considered competition, let a lone a threat big enough to displace real singers. Listen to this AI embarassment rendition of Keith Sweat..........