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Chev Yes, I believe that Black people have been exploited at unawares, however, I also believe that most of us do NOT accept accountability for negatives actions as well. Ofcourse not, "children" rarely accept personal responsibility. And as Neely Fuller Jr. has pointed out, most of our people have a CHILD like mentality. The fact that so many of our people don't have any better sense THAN to argue with eachother in public...something most adults learn not to do early on...is a sign of a child's mentality. I have not visited that thread yet but I do believe that African people have been encouraged to be divided and this could be both a good thing or bad depending. Well, DELINIATING (distinguishing your identity separately from another) yourself to celebrate the culture and uniqueness of your particular ethnic group is usually a good thing. ...as long as you're doing it YOURSELF. But if SOMEBODY ELSE from the outside is doing the dividing, it's rarely a good thing. It's usually a case of DIVIDE to CONQUER. Even if Black men believe that they tried, obviously, they do not hear the Black women and acknowledge what we are saying about how we have been abandoned and why we feel that Black men have failed us. I believe that both Black men and Black women are showing arrogance and do not want to acknowledge that we have failed for certain reasons. It's that child like immature mentality where nobody wants to accept blame or any role THEY may have played in the dysfunction. But when it comes to White men and other kinds of men, I believe what Mel Hopkins once said, if I remember correctly in that she said, when it comes down to it, Men are men. The nature of males are unique IMO, and if another kind of man wants to embrace a Black woman, then he does need to respect her for coming from a unique 'Black' culture and build a relationship from that perspective. A lot of White men seek Black women....not out of love...but strictly for the CHALLENGE. They want to break the stereotype or belief that they are too "soft" or not strong enough to handle a Black woman...so one of their greatest desires is to get a Black woman to love them and see them in a sexual light. Another goal of a lot of White men in pursuing Black women is to rub it in the face of Black men as if to say "I got your bitch". I remember one White man at my old job who knew how I felt about White men being with Black women and would make a point of it to find one who liked him and smooch all over her in front of me while staring at me and smiling. I don't know of any Black man who does that with a White woman. Even if they're in love...they don't go out of their way to smooch eachother in front of White men JUST to piss them off. When it comes down to Black men versus other kinds of men, I believe that they will not understand what a Black man has to deal with due to the history made in this world, but that is not the same as bonding with a woman. In fact, if another kind of man does embrace a Black woman, that would actually be a pathway in understanding what Black men have had to endure, especially if they have children from that kind of union Uhhh...so exactly WHAT are you trying to say Chevdove??? 🤨 Trump puts on a good act, but he is 'allowed' to be aggressive and macho--to a point. Ofcourse. Everything he's doing....he's being ALLOWED to do so. He's the catharsis for a lot of White men who want to talk and move the way HE is but they're afraid to or not in a position to. So they support him and encourage him to break rules, break the law, promote open bigotry and brag about firing people. That's what THEY want to do and USED to do before so many Civil Rights laws were put in place to curtail their ruthlessness. I think that many Black women in my family circle have an obsession over White men because of various factors and not just one factor I'm curious. Obsessed, how? Obsessed with them sexually, or do they see them as angelic or something? I know you said family but are these Black American women, btw???? ProfD The funny part is most Black women will act differently towards a non-Black man. Not because that man did anything special to deserve it. I've noticed this myself for years. A lot of Black women who act tough and ghetto and hard around Black men will all of a sudden become all dainty and smiles with White men. And he doesn't have to be a rich or handsome White man. Some fat sloppy slow acting White man is enough to make them change their entire attitude. As quiet as a church mouse around you with little eye contact. But as soon as that goofy sloppy White man comes around she can't stop grinning and running her mouth and telling all of her personal business....even when his body language shows he's clearly not interested in hearing it, lol. Look how the rapper Eve switched her style up after meeting and marrying a White man. Chev and ProfD I call it the "White Jesus" affect. When a child grows up looking at images of a White Jesus with his hands outstretched and healing all your wounds....that has a profound subconscious psychological effect on them and how they view White people for the rest of their lives. Every White man they see....they subconsciously see that man as "Jesus" or their savior UNLESS that spell is broken.

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Doofus lol!

Yes, it is confusing to me in that you start with the Winter Solstice. I start with the Spring Equinox and from that perspective I understand. I do not understand why you start from that point and that will continue to confuse me.