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On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
That what I have to add will not change any of the Facts Germane to the case....The difference is inconsequential.
Ofcourse you don't have to change any facts germane to the case, all you have to do is add LIES and FALSEHOOD to it to make a difference...lol.
The judge thinks you told MOSTLY the truth, but sprinkled a FEW lies here, there, and round-a-bout, lol.
I have only told the truth....just not all of it - for some truth is only tangential.
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:We covered this Already here is "was actually killing living things.....which is a natural occurrence in nature"
Yes, we KEEP covering it over and over again because you don't want to admit to your poor choice of words by saying nature is ALWAYS life giving and life supporting.
Nature is Always Life Giving and Supporting....Humans Mostly see Nature as Positive
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:Lightning cannot take....Lightning Strikes
Lightning "takes" atleast 2 things:
1. It takes a certain amount of TIME to strike something
2. It often takes the LIFE of that which it struck.
-It even sometimes TAKE your sight away temporarily if you are looking directly at it and it strikes close enough.
Lightning does not "Take" Time Life or Sight anywhere?
If so Where?
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:Life can not be destroyed
....by humans.
Life can only be Transformed and or Transmuted
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:Where did the "lightning" take the tree's life to....?
Where exactly, I'm not sure.
But OUT of the tree, that's for sure.The Life of the Tree has been Transmuted into various.....Micro organism, Flora and Fauna
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:Where is the Life of the Tree Now?
It's a bit of an illogical question.
The tree is dead and has no life of it's own.Death is One of the process of Nature....Change and or Renewal.
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:if you say I was or is black...Then that is you confirming my assertion that i am black
No sir.
Yes Sir..... if you say that "I am black" then you have confirmed my assertion.
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:- that is you saying i am black
Yes sir.More specifically, that's me REPEATING that you are Black based on what YOU told me.
But it hasn't been confirmed.
That is you Confirming
It is a part of the scientific process to continually and repeatedly confirmed theories
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:if you say that i say i am black...then that is you confirming that i say i am black
Yes sir.
Ok
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:- that is you saying that i said i was black
Yes sir.However I would be simply confirming what you SAID...not what you ARE.
Two different things.Then that is you Confirming that "I Said I was Black"
There is no confusion on my part....Repeatable Confirming Theories is part of the Scientific Process.
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:That's why ACCURACY matters.
.Hence the necessity of Repeated Confirmations....from other sources and schools of thought.
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:You can....but most people want confirmation
Now we may be making SOME progresses...lol.
Not to worry....I Am Patient
On 12/30/2023 at 7:52 AM, Pioneer1 said:If only we could get the Bible and other so-called "holy" books and go through every verse like this....lol
You cannot handle that......Whilst science tries to be discrete - Scriptures deliberately obfuscate.
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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
They differ only in degree....it is not a miscalculation.ALL is not the same as MOSTLY.
If you were in court and admitted to the judge that you told MOST of the truth but not ALL of it, what do you think the judge will say?
That what I have to add will not change any of the Facts Germane to the case....The difference is inconsequential.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Do not confuse semantics with accuracy....
But when it comes to science, there is little room for semantics.
Every word has a specific meaning.Some times more than One meaning....nuanced
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:The Tree Gave its Life....To support Life
The tree didn't GIVE it's life, it was TAKEN by the lightning.
We covered this Already here is "was actually killing living things.....which is a natural occurrence in nature"
Now you confusing Parlance(how we use words) and Meaning.
Lightning cannot take....Lightning Strikes
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:The lightning is part of the same nature that you said was ALWAYS life giving and supporting.
Yet this part of nature ENDED a life.Life is Energy....Life can not be destroyed or ended only transformed.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:That's not semantics.
That's a direct contradiction of your position.No its semantics...plain and simple - let's venture down this rabbit hole of semantics and parlance
Where did the "lightning" take the tree's life to....?
Where is the Life of the Tree Now?
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:If you accepted and restated that I was or is Black ......Then you have Confirmed my Assertions of Blackness.
If I accept it and restated it I merely ACCEPTED and RESTATED it.
Exactly
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:I didn't CONFIRM it until I VERIFIED it for myself that it was a fact.
If you say I was or is black...Then that is you confirming my assertion that i am black - that is you saying i am black
if you say that i say i am black...then that is you confirming that i say i am black - that is you saying that i said i was black
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Dictionarycon·firm/kənˈfərm/verb-
1.establish the truth or correctness of (something previously believed, suspected, or feared to be the case).
As for the link you provided....
Sure something can be confirmed AND accepted.yes
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:One doesn't cancel out the other.
true
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Infact, usually things ARE accepted once they are confirmed.
Yes
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:My point is that they are NOT THE SAME.
Never said they were....but context is essential
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:You can accept something WITHOUT confirming it.
You can....but most people want confirmation
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6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
They both convey the same General meaning - which sufficient.
MOSTLY isn't the same as ALWAYS....period.
That's a gross miscalculation.They differ only in degree....it is not a miscalculation.
6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:This is why I question your position and understanding on "theories".
Your own post and definition agree with where I stand on the Issue...
6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Instead of respecting the pin-point accuracy often necessary to establish truths and facts and separate them from falsehood and guesswork....you seem to conflate a lot of it together.
Do not confuse semantics with accuracy....
6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Then it Life Giving.
Again, not to the tree who got hit....lol.
Neither giving NOR supporting.
The Tree Gave its Life....To support Life
6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:But they mean the same in the context of Scientific Theory
See, this is what I'm talking about.
You fail to understand that they don't mean the same thing.ACCEPTED and CONFIRMED are two different words with two different meanings REGARDLESS of circumstance or setting.
Just because they are used in scientific literature, doesn't mean the definitions all of a sudden "changed up" to mean the same thing.
If you told me that you were a Black man I'd ACCEPT you at your word, that doesn't mean that I've CONFIRMED that you are.
You are Confusing Sophistry and Semantics as Scientific Inquiry.
If you accepted and restated that I was or is Black ......Then you have Confirmed my Assertions of Blackness.
- Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow."
- https://ncse.ngo/definitions-fact-theory-and-law-scientific-work
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34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
No Regrets....Always is Good and mostly or tends to is just as good.But they aren't the same statement.
True...
They both convey the same General meaning - which sufficient.
34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Saying "men MOSTLY like women" isn't the same as saying "men ALWAYS like women"....lol.
One statement is true....the other false.
Yes....False equivalence - A part is not the Whole
Men are are part of Nature.
34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Then its Life Supporting.
Not for the tree that got struck.
Then it Life Giving.
34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:The exact words are not there
Nuff said...lol.
And for the UMPTEENTH time...."accepted" and "agree" are NOT the same as CONFIRMED.
But they mean the same in the context of Scientific Theory
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1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
mostly or tends to.....is good enough
Lol....so now do you regret using the word "always"???
No Regrets....Always is Good and mostly or tends to is just as good.
1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:Go back later and so how many living things are benefiting from that single tree death....some are unseen.
But if that tree dies...nature isn't "always" life giving.
Right?Then its Life Supporting.
1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:I have no problem with his definition as seen in one of our earlier exchange
Proven Accepted and Confirmed until....DisprovenShow me anywhere in Stephen's quote where you find the words "proven" or "confirmed".
Proven is NOT the same as accepted.
The exact words are not there....but different words taken in context means the same.
The Quote from Hawkins:
"Each time new experiments are observed to agree with the predictions the theory survives, and our confidence in it is increased; "
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8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Maybe not....but it is always Life Giving and SupportingWow..that's a pretty big leap.
Yep..
8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
In your previous post you said,
"Nature tends to be mostly Life Giving and Life Supporting."Now you're saying it's ALWAYS life giving and supporting.
mostly or tends to.....is good enough.
8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Not sure how a lightning strike that kills a tree or animal is "life giving"....lol.
Go back later and so how many living things are benefiting from that single tree death....some are unseen.
8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
It wasn't the First and it won't be the Last....Life continues, out with the Old and in with New - Change is The A Universal ConstantLife ITSELF will continue, but the life on an INDIVIDUAL will certainly be lost if they don't take the proper precautions.
Nature concerns seems to be with.....Life.
8 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:What SAys Ye now?
I say, since you don't want to believe ME and trust the words of White scientists so much, read the words of the late scientist Stephen Hawkings on what a theory is and is not:
"Any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis: you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory. As philosopher of science Karl Popper has emphasized, a good theory is characterized by the fact that it makes a number of predictions that could in principle be disproved or falsified by observation. Each time new experiments are observed to agree with the predictions the theory survives, and our confidence in it is increased; but if ever a new observation is found to disagree, we have to abandon or modify the theory."
Like I said, a Theory is NOT a fact and has NOT been proven.
Infact, Mr.Hawkins takes it a step further and goes as far as to say a theory or hypothesis can NEVER be proven!
WowI have no problem with his definition as seen in one of our earlier exchangeProven Accepted and Confirmed until....DisprovenWe shouldn't just go around accepting things ONLY because we haven't found a better explanation...yet.frankster said:Yep...... that is the idea. -
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Nature tends to be mostly Life Giving and Life Supporting.Life giving and life supporting isn't always a "positive".
Maybe not....but it is always Life Giving and Supporting
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:....then again, positive and negative are sometimes SUBJECTIVE.
True
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Really.....Disaster come Disasters Go Big Little or Other - Nature continues On
As a whole yes, but according to Caucasian Scientists some species can and have actually gone extinct as a result of mass death.
It wasn't the First and it won't be the Last....Life continues, out with the Old and in with New - Change is The A Universal Constant
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:According to some reports, entire tribes/ethnic groups on certain islands were wiped out by White men who colonized the land.
Well Yes....But were they - chances are their Genes continue on.
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:So while nature ITSELF continues, as individual humans...we should try to preserve OUR health and lives from these disasters.
As Human we should.....The Greatest Good to the Greatest Many.
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Depends on how they are Stacked or Positioned
How can the CONCEPT of a line or circle be stacked or positioned to make them anything other than 2 dimensional?
Like how a Three D printer works...Adding Layers and/or Subtracting Materiels - Stacking.
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Look at the meaning of Theory you yourself posted.....it says Accepted
Yes, I know.
Again....ACCEPTED is not the same as CONFIRMED.New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution
"New research confirms the "Out Of Africa" hypothesis that all modern humans stem from a single group of Homo sapiens who emigrated from Africa 2,000 generations ago and spread throughout Eurasia over thousands of years. These settlers replaced other early humans (such as Neanderthals), rather than interbreeding with them."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070509161829.htm
What SAys Ye now?
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Thats nature acting on itself...it can be negative to the individual whilst being positive to whole
Perhaps the only "positivity" having defective or deviant genes that cause diseases could offer to "the whole" is that it often kills off it's hosts before they can reproduce more of their defective genes in society.
Nature tends to be mostly Life Giving and Life Supporting.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Ruining nature as we know it.....Changing the Ecology.
It was actually killing living things.....which is a natural occurrence in nature
Where the concern is, is in the AMOUNT of killing and what is killed in the environment.
A certain amount of CRUDE oil/natural gas is emitted into the ocean constantly.
It does minimal damage.But when it comes to the Exxon oil spill and other similar spills like it...that is SYNTHETIC material being spilled that is no longer in it's natural state, and in MASSIVE amounts.
Much more than the ecology can handle in it's normal state.
It has a much different and much more damaging effect on the environment than it's non-man made counterpart.Really.....Disaster come Disasters Go Big Little or Other - Nature continues On
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Yes it does...to the three
The concepts of lines and circles are 2 dimensional.
Depends on how they are Stacked or Positioned
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:True meaning it is repeatable and you can use it to predict outcome
True meaning of what????
Theory.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:No...it goes beyond that.
it's has nothing to do with what I Believe or Accept....it's about repeatability and predictability.
If you can repeat it and predict it...it's not a theory.
It's a scientific fact.Look at the meaning of Theory you yourself posted.....it says Accepted
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Problem is you aren't repeating and predicting the theory of human evolution.
You're playing guessing games with it.Well yes it is a guessing game...in which experiments are designed to test those guests/hypothesis
The Longest-Running Evolution Experiment
Patricia Wittkopp - Evolution in Black and White: How Fruit Flies Change Their Spots and Stripes
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What we need is Organizations that Address these Issues.....Good news is that we do have them - Bad news is they underfunded and under marketed and under supported.
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14 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
It does not Affect Nature.....just the individual or the particular variation of that particular specieBut according to the definition YOU provided, nature includes the ENTIRE external world.
Isn't the red headed person PART of nature?Yes
14 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Why wouldn't cancer or altered sensitivity affect nature if it's affecting HIM and he's part of it?
Thats nature acting on itself...it can be negative to the individual whilst being positive to whole
14 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:When the oil spilled all over the ocean, they say that the oil spill is "ruining nature".
Ruining nature as we know it.....Changing the Ecology.
It was actually killing living things.....which is a natural occurrence in nature
14 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:There are three basic forms that evolves to all other forms- The Dot is first, The Line is second and then The Circle is third or The Domain
Interesting concept.
It doesn't seem to go beyond the 2 dimensional Realm, though.Yes it does...to the three
14 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:books
I see.
Yes,...but you have not confirmed what you believe....I can only confirm that you believe.
Exactly.
And THAT is about as far as you can take a confirmation of a theory.
You can only confirm that it is ACCEPTED...not that it's true.True meaning it is repeatable and you can use it to predict outcome
14 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:No your idea has not been confirmed....but the fact that you believe has been
Correct.
Same can be done with a theory.
I can acknowledge that YOU accept it and that YOU believe it.....even if I don't, lol.
No...it goes beyond that.
it's has nothing to do with what I Believe or Accept....it's about repeatability and predictability.
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1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:
I'm beyond speculating as to where his teachings came from or what motivated or inspired him to teach what he did, because I now recognize...as I've said on the other thread...that what The SUPREME BEING wants me to know, will be made known to me clearer than a crystal in due time.It is being told to you right now and all the time.
1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:it's so simple it.
It was hiding in plain site.
I didn't need a book or go to traveling to East China to find out what God intended for me to know.
Just sit back and relax and if God wants me to get it and understand it...I will...simple as that.lol..reminds of the analogy of the drowning man
1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:I'm satisfied in knowing that what he allegedly said clearly contradicted what Jesus allegedly said and definitely contradicted what the Old Testament taught.
This was enough for me to make an intelligent decision about the Bible in general.cool
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15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
franksterHow does having red hair affect nature?
See the above link I provided, and the contents thereof.
Red hair is a DEVIANCE that can result in a myriad of problems ranging from alerted sensitivity to pain to various types of cancers.
It's not a good thing.
It does not Affect Nature.....just the individual or the particular variation of that particular specie
Cancer does not affect nature....Cancer is a part/process of nature
15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:All Life is One....but is expressed in three (trinity) Originating forms
You didn't answer my question as to whether I was correct or not, however what are the "three Originating" forms that you claim life expresses itself in?
Consciousness is All/Singularity......Life is One and Formless.
Life enters physicality by taking shape(Form)....There are three basic forms that evolves to all other forms- The Dot is first, The Line is second and then The Circle is third or The Domain
15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Cool...because they had offspring with mankind i believe they are in this Realm....definitely humanoid and likely of the same specie or close.
Have you actually MET some Anunnaki or their hybrid offspring yourself, or is this material you simply got from a book or from other forms of research?
books
15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
No a Theory is a theory and can be confirmed over and over and overMaybe the fact that it IS just a theory can be confirmed...lol.
In other words....
If I tell Troy that I BELIEVE there is life on Mars, I can CONFIRM that I have this belief with you also.
Yes,...but you have not confirmed what you believe....I can only confirm that you believe.
15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:That doesn't mean my belief itself has been confirmed, however.
No your idea has not been confirmed....but the fact that you believe has been
15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:That doesn't mean that life on Mars has been confirmed.
No... life on mars has not been confirmed
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40 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
Although I would put Islam in the same category as Christianity as a religion used by Caucasians (Arabs in this case as opposed to Europeans) to colonize much of the world, especially Africa....the brother DOES have very good points about the eating of pork and the changing of the laws by Paul
Infact, the points he brought up are just a FEW things I noticed when I set out to find the truth by leaving the church and studying the Bible for myself.
When I would read the writings of Paul, I kept asking myself why is so much of what HE'S teaching going against what the Old Testament and even Jesus himself taught????Paulianity is said to be influenced by Hellenism....to me it seems to be more influenced by the Egyptian Mystery System
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That Jamaican brother is out of his depth
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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
I am not the one that's confused..Thanks for the definition of "nature".
Now how was MY use of the term "misleading" according to you???How does having red hair affect nature?
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:It is the part responsibility for Variation - Variety.
Sounds like you don't believe God Created things in varieties from the beginning.
Sounds like you believe God Created one type of something and then allowed "evolution" and "mutation" to cause the variation now seen among species.
Am I correct?All Life is One....but is expressed in three (trinity) Originating forms
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Yes it is called Asexual Reproduction.
Are you SURE mutation is the reason for our differences?
Yes....
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:What about Divine Intervention?
Then that's the Miraculous....in Which case a Gene was activated or expressed that previously was(thought to be) Dormant
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:i think they are a different Specie
what say you?I'm not sure if they even existed in this Realm.
My information about them come from limited and questionable sources.I'm inclined to believe they DID and DO exist, but not by that name and not by the stories I've heard about them.
Cool...because they had offspring with mankind i believe they are in this Realm....definitely humanoid and likely of the same specie or close.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:You going around in circles...
Chasing in behind YOU trying to get you to understand basic words like "acceptance" and "theory".
Yeah....the very definition you posted agrees with what I stated.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Obviously so can a Theory....be confirmed.
Yes, but once it IS confirmed...it's no longer a THEORY.
Kind of like how a BOY can become a MAN.
But once he BECOMES a man...he's no longer a boy.No a Theory is a theory and can be confirmed over and over and over
I see now you are conflating both Hypothesis Theory and Law...layman explanation below..Hypothesis....A guess postulate or argument - needs to be proven or disproven.Theory....A test has been design to prove (not disprove) the Hypothesis - how and whyLaw ....The What how and why as an equation is now known -
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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Your use of the word nature is misleading.Or your UNDERSTANDING of the word "nature" is misconstrued.
Nature...
1.the external world in its entirety.......https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nature
2. the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations....google dictionary.
I am not the one that's confused..
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Mutation is part of Reproductive and Generational process.
Yes, but a SMALL part....under natural circumstance.
It is the part responsibility for Variation - Variety.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Without mutation we would be clones of our parents....all appearing and being the same exact organism - Replication/Duplication/Copies.
????
Are you sure of that?Yes it is called Asexual Reproduction.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:If you believe that, then you're implying that ALL creatures are mutations to various extents.
Yes
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:After its Kind - having in common or similar.
Or the exact same...which is more likely the intended meaning/interpretation of that verse.
No...The word "kind" basically sharing some qualities in common
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Evolution is One of the many Processes of Creation
Have YOU PERSONALLY witnessed the process of Evolution?
And if so, when?Only in the sense of seeing my own children....Check out Biogenetic Law/Theory or Recapitulation Ontological Phylogeny
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:You are entitled to your beliefs.
Thankfully....lol.
cool
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Yes...what do you think?
"Yes" to WHICH one?
Them being advanced humans, or a different Species all together?I think they are a different Specie
what say you?
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:You are now saying what i have stated earlier.
Let me quote what I said earlier"Yes...From both European and Chinese sources.....latest genetics research also confirm out of Africa theory
And again, if it was "confirmed" (and it wasn't) they would no longer be calling it a THEORY.
It would be an ESTABLISHED FACT.You going around in circles...
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:It can also mean it has been proven as true.."believe or come to recognize (an opinion, explanation, etc.) as valid or correct." - google dictionary.
You can ACCEPT or REJECT an absolute fact.
You can ACCEPT or REJECT a straight up lie.However ONLY A FACT can be CONFIRMED.
Obviously so can a Theory....be confirmed.
The very definition you posted confirmed my assertions by using the word "confirmed"
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:True...but most words have more than one meaning as I have shown above
Especially the words of White people....lol.
Which is why it leads to so much disagreement and confusion.Hebrew Words Are notorious for having multiple meanings..
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35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Okay....Yes - I understand that it is not a good or neutral mutation for the Specie or Individual.Where is " negative consequences in nature."?
Some of them were listed above already....
-Increased cancers.
-Being more sensitive to pain or having your senses altered to it.
-Increased Parkinson's disease
....among many other negative consequences.Cool....
Your use of the word nature is misleading.
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:All variations are the results of mutation even hybridizations.
ONLY if you believe in the "theory" of evolution, which I don't.
Not sure if you DO or not but you can't believe in "the theory of evolution" AND the Bible at the same time because the Bible says God made everything and implies it reproduces after ITSELF...not mutates or evolves into something else
Mutation is part of Reproductive and Generational process.
Without mutation we would be clones of our parents....all appearing and being the same exact organism - Replication/Duplication/Copies.
Where did God say not to mutate or evolve?
After its Kind - having in common or similar.
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Where is the Variation without mutation?
So you believe all of the DIFFERENT animals that exist are a result of mutation instead of Creation?
Evolution is One of the many Processes of Creation
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Cool I know you believe this.
Was Yaqub an Anunnaki?
Not sure, because I'm not sure what the exact nature of the Anunnaki are.
ok
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
I believe the ORIGINAL Black man...whom White people were made from...weren't the exact same as us.
Not only did they have different features but I believe they were both physically and mentally superior.You are entitled to your beliefs.
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:I guess the question would have to be are the Anunnaki "advanced" humans, or an entirely different species from humans all together?
Yes...what do you think?
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Tell me the differences then...?
When something is CONFIRMED or PROVEN it means there's enough evidence or proof that means it's definitely true beyond any reasonable argument.You are now saying what i have stated earlier.
Let me quote what I said earlier"Yes...From both European and Chinese sources.....latest genetics research also confirm out of Africa theory
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:When something is just ACCEPTED, that means it's believed regardless of the amount or strength of the evidence presented.
It can also mean it has been proven as true.."believe or come to recognize (an opinion, explanation, etc.) as valid or correct." - google dictionary.
35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:In other words, you can ACCEPT a lie.
But a lie can't be proven or confirmed because it's not true.True...but most words have more than one meaning as I have shown above
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13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
franksterI thought it was a Deliberate Selection......With now Negative Consequences.
No, they TEND to be deliberate....but not always.
Sometimes they are accidental because they ARE mutations.
But yes, the consequences are negative.
That's the factor that makes a mutation a "deviation".....the negativity of it.And that is Deviation...
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I cannot disagree with you more....show/tell of connections and links where relevant.
Blonde and red hair is hair RECESSIVE.
It's DE-melanated.
They....like ruddy white skin...are missing key ingredients.Ok
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:As a group, redheads seem to be more likely to develop certain health conditions and have certain health risks. These include:
- Increased skin cancer risk
- Altered sensitivity to pain
- Increased risk of Parkinson’s disease
- Increased risk of endometriosis
https://medicover-genetics.com/health-risks-for-people-with-red-hair/
Okay....Yes - I understand that it is not a good or neutral mutation for the Specie or Individual.
Where is " negative consequences in nature."?
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Please Explain Variation without Mutations?
Look at the different races of humans.
Black Africans, Asians, Native Americans...
None of us are mutations, yet we vary one from the other in term of skin tone, eyes, hair, etc.
Look at the variation in flowers, birds, cats.
They go back as far as humanity can remember.All variations are the results of mutation even hybridizations.
We have had this discussion already....geography climate diet and culture causes mutations - Then the Mutations are passed on.
Where is the Variation without mutation?
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:okay..."Yakub theory"...I do not accept it.....6600 yrs seems to have some credence.
Obviously....Mr. Bible Thumper...lol.
You probably believe in Adam & Eve.
The 6,600 year taught by the Nation of Islam is similar to the commonly accepted Christian belief that Adam and Eve were created around that time and populated the rest of humanity.
As mentioned many many times before.
Adam and Eve are allegories for the White race.
They are talking about THEIR history...which is why Cain can find a wife and build a city on a planet that only allegedly had him and his parents...lol.Cool I know you believe this.
Was Yaqub an Anunnaki?
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Could be you are confusing the layman use of the word "Theory" and its Scientific use?
Lol...I'm not confused.
theory
1: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena
Theory Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
There is a difference between ACCEPTED and PROVEN or CONFIRMED
Tell me the differences then...?
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57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
How Do you define Deviation?Probably what you would call a "Negative Mutation".
A mutation in a way that leads to relatively negative consequences, especially in nature.
I thought it was a Deliberate Selection......With now Negative Consequences.
57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Blonde or red hair is not only a mutation but a DEVIANT mutation.....a DEVIATION.
It leads to negative consequences in nature.I cannot disagree with you more....show/tell of connections and links where relevant.
57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Mutation would lead to Variation.....And Variation could lead Divergence(Speciation).
You can and do have variation WITHOUT mutation.
The variety of non-Caucasians races is an excellent example of variation without mutation.Please Explain Variation without Mutations?
57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:It's still a Mutation....you are saying that the Mutation was selected for
For the purpose of making a race of deviants.
okay..."Yakub theory"...I do not accept it.....6600 yrs seems to have some credence.
57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Exactly...it is confirmed by other means.
If it's still a "theory" then it hasn't been confirmed at all.
You are entitled to your beliefs.
57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:For such a long time the word "theory" was clearly UNDERSTOOD to mean a concept that was commonly believed and supported by evidence but not proven.
Now all of a sudden it's "accepted" and "factual" and this and that.Could be you are confusing the layman use of the word "Theory" and its Scientific use?
57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:Neither evolution NOR "out of Africa" have been proven.
One of the few ways that a human can possibly do this on their own is to get in a TIME MACHINE to verify this...which hasn't been done yet.
Both are THEORIES that may be supported by SOME evidence but nothing absolute.Ok
We will have to agree to disagree on that.
57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:We shouldn't just go around accepting things ONLY because we haven't found a better explanation...yet.
Yep...... that is the idea.
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3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
My understanding of Evolutionary science is basic...All Adaptations are the Results of Mutation - Not all Mutations are Adaptations.
They are basically Three Categories of Mutations - Good, Neutral or Bad....Only Good Mutations are called Adaptations.
Understand, there is a difference between MUTATION and DEVIATION.Mutations tend to be accidental, while deviations tend to be deliberate.
How Do you define Deviation?
Mutation would lead to Variation.....And Variation could lead Divergence(Speciation).
Deliberate outside action to cause Variation Within a Specie...Breed/ing
Deliberate outside action to cause Variation outside of or between Species.....Hybridization or Chimera
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:So yes they are both ends of the same process Natural selection starts the process and Adaptation is the End Result.
Deviation is not a form of "natural" selection though.
Most deviations that result in entire groups of people are as a result of SELECTIVE BREEDINGOk..i can work with that.
By Natural you mean Accidental/Random
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:White Skin is Good as it allows for more Absorption of Vitamin D and Bad because it also absorbs more UV radiation...which causes Skin Cancer
Only a fraction of people with white skin got it from mutation (albinism).
Most people with white skin are progeny of the selective breeding of a particular deviation.It's still a Mutation....you are saying that the Mutation was selected for
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Yes...From both European and Chinese sources.....latest genetics research also confirm out of Africa theory
You can only CONFIRM that which has been established as true.
As long as we're calling it a "theory"....it hasn't been confirmed but merely SUPPORTED.Exactly...it is confirmed by other means.
Science in large part is all about Repeatability(predictable) and Corroboration(supported). ...Confirmation.
The word Theory also means:-
" a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/theories
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Africans themselves say they come from the Stars
Facts...most of them atleast.....especially Sirius system.
cool
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:And as a matter of basic common sense.....
Who would know better where THEY come from, the people themselves who are thousands of years old....or a handful of White scientists who just learned of their existence a few centuries ago?I currently give weight to then both....They come from the stars by way of Africa - we only beginning to know the science involve.
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:So who should we be more inclined to believe, the people themselves...or those with a well documented history of LYING and constantly RE-WRITING history?
A Liar should never be trusted
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14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
Did you know in a lot of ancient cultures, they actually had "temple prostitutes" as part of their religious ceremonies?
The temple offered specially designated women to have sex with men to raise money for that temple and certain community affairs.
This was before the Muslims, Christians, and Israelites came into the lands and converted the people over to those religions.Yes....Genesis 38 - The Story of Tamar.
I Will say the following and will not defend it but the story above will answer all questions...Why i will not explain - it is not my desire to mislead the faithful or the unfaithful.
Men Cannot Fornicate....
Hieros Gamos -
18 hours ago, Troy said:
Sure it is: In the northern climates, where there is less opportunity to be in the sun, lighter skinned people with straighter hair are able to absorb more vitamin D it is one reason we (Black folk) are more prone to vitamin D deficiency, living in Chicago, NY and Detroit.
My understanding of Evolutionary science is basic...All Adaptations are the Results of Mutation - Not all Mutations are Adaptations.
They are basically Three Categories of Mutations - Good, Neutral or Bad....Only Good Mutations are called Adaptations.
So yes they are both ends of the same process Natural selection starts the process and Adaptation is the End Result.
White Skin is Good as it allows for more Absorption of Vitamin D and Bad because it also absorbs more UV radiation...which causes Skin Cancer
An opportunity/adversity cost analysis...Hence the reason I say it is a mutation but unsure as to whether or not it is an Adaptation.
The Inuits(Eskimos) who are exposed to greater cold and sunshine did not experience this mutation of whitening skin....raw.
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:frankster
The Diversity is significance because within the diversity ever human trait or characteristic exist.
Really?
So which African tribe produces bone straight hair like the Chinese or Japanese?
What part of Africa are people who look like Eskimos, native to?
Check out the Barona/boraano tribe of Kenya and the San(Bushman) of Southern Africa.
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:The History of Africa is that it is the BirthPlace of Mankind...
.....according to modern White archeologists and those who study under them.
Yes...From both European and Chinese sources.....latest genetics research also confirm out of Africa theory
Africans themselves say they come from the Stars
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Where you get this from?
From actually reading and doing MY OWN research and following the logical conclusions based on MY findings.
Not going by what Whites in academia with their own biased agendas choose to put out.Cool got Any links?
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On 12/19/2023 at 8:10 PM, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
The Main reason now Given is because when you trace back all Human Genes they all converge in Africa and Africa still have the most diverse Genetic pool...which is collaborated with both Archeology and paleontology and several other schools of thought.
Having a diverse genetic pool is not evidence of being the oldest.The Diversity is significance because within the diversity ever human trait or characteristic exist.
The More Genetic diversity in any Genome the longer its been around....Time/Descendants equals Diversity/Mutations.
"the average African genome has nearly a million more genetic variants than the average non-African genome.1"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929722003172
On 12/19/2023 at 8:10 PM, Pioneer1 said:The United States of America has one of the most DIVERSE gene pools yet is one of the world's YOUNGEST nations.
Why?
Because it's a nation of immigrants.That maybe True Only because There are Many Africans in the USA.
There maybe more Genetic Diversity in a Single African Village that the whole entire rest of the World that's orders of Magnitude....
On 12/19/2023 at 8:10 PM, Pioneer1 said:The history of Africa is a history of one ethnic group after another from both Asia and Europe entering the continent to conquer, settle, trade, ect....
The History of Africa is that it is the BirthPlace of Mankind...
On 12/19/2023 at 8:10 PM, Pioneer1 said:
There is more of a history of various peoples GOING INTO Africa than COMING OUT of her.Where you get this from?
On 12/19/2023 at 8:10 PM, Pioneer1 said:White skin is not seen as an (Evolutionary) Adaptation but seen more as a Mutation(Natural Selection) in that it does not increase "Fitness" - Survivability.
The White skin of an albino is a result of genetic mutation.
However the White skin of most Caucasians is a result of genetic SELECTION.One is accidental, the other is deliberate.
Fine........Think we had this discussion already
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I have seen no such Proof
African Spirituality
God = Nature
No...You are confirming what was said by him.
You quoted Hawkins:
Each time new experiments are observed to agree with the predictions the theory survives, and our confidence in it is increased;
Yep
In the sense that it is not final.
cool