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Clapback to Trump's racist post.

@Pioneer1Does anybody really care whether or not you and I make peace? The sun will still come up tomorrow. Feel free to go back to being your true self. zzzzzzzzzzz

@Pioneer1I suggested we "move on" earlier in this thread but you couldn't pass up a chance to try and control the narrative by giving your typically revised and unflattering version of me to "prove" that you did, indeed, know me. Even called Salems "cheap" when in fact, they were a name brand cigarette that cost the same as other cigarettes back in the "salad days" of my youth, a classic metaphor which you insisted on botching by referring to as my salad making days, subsequently turning my "frequenting intimate little jazz clubs" to "bar hopping", my joining musicians I was acquainted with on stage, as "making a fool of myself" but, now all of a sudden, you are going to "let" ,Troy and me have each other because we don't see things your way, and all your cherry-picking, strawman ploys and false equivalencies - oops, I mean "explanations, evidence and truth" have been rejected. Yeah, right. And, to return the favor, I'm going to let you and yourself have each other, - as befits an egocentric die-hard.

@Troyyes, I remember Diana Sands quite well She first gained fame by playing Sidney Poitier's sister in "Raisin in the Sun," which was based on the play by Lorraine Hansberry. Lorraine and Diana were friends, and both tragically died in their 30s, victims of cancer.

@Pioneer1You guess wrong. YOU were who informed richardmurray that you were changing the direction of this post, and promptly proceeded to shove your self-styled rules about blackness down our throats, later throwing a hissy fit because the way I chose to categorize certain men didn't meet with your approval. And black female athletes are no different from all the black male athletes who choose white mates. Your "testosterone heroes" don’t give a damn about your campaign to instill black consciousness. So, you are doomed to a life of beating the drum for a cause that disintegrates in the face of reality. Millions of black Americans make their own decisions when it comes their personal lives. You are irrelevant. Go somewhere and play with yourself.

So why do you change the subject when the truth about yourself is revealed? Huh? Unlike you, I'm not on a mission to extol black manhood and have no intention of submitting to your repetitive cross-examination! Too bad if you are offended by my cliches. Cheer up. Maybe your fondest dream will be realized and you will be transformed into an intriguing black stallion who a rich black female athlete will take a shine to. Woo-Woo!

@Pioneer1Nope, that's you doing what you do best, which is besmirching and distorting in order to put your spin on things. Truth, facts and authenticity are an anathema to a devious, deceitful person like you. That's why your sorry-assed campaign to celebrate the black male falls flat. But carry on since you have nothing better to do. It is a good thing, however, that there are so many much better representatives out there to exemplify the cause.

You don't know my forum facade from my real one. Anything that doesn't comply with how you think people should behave is considered "acting a fool" because you live in your own little world where you type cast people thereby making it easier for you to do your strawman /false equivalency voodoo. I haven't had a white female friend in 35 years. Your opinion of me amounts to zilch in my accounting. Suffice to say, I consider you the epitome of why anybody would reject black manhood.

Well. you dont know me, so move on. As I said, I dont care what you think, nor do I feel the need to defend my position. You are totally preoccupied with and filled with resentment toward white men. That's your problem. Not, mine. So continue sulking.

Obviously, I preferred men who I was comfortable to be around since I stayed married to a black husband of 50 years.

Pause while Pioneer digs up the pictures of Robert Redford and Andy Samberg I originally posted because they are 2 celebrities whom I share an Augusut 18th birthdate with. Admittedly, I couldn't resist needling pioneer with their pictures because he was going overboard putting down Serena Williams' white husband. He couldn't cite anyone better than a 70 year old, over-the-hill Denzel Washington in response but I helped him out by calling attention to black hunks Michael B. Jordan and Tyrese Gibson and Morris Chesnut. ...back to our regularly scheduled programming.

@Pioneer1The only person your accusations have become increasingly clear to, is you and your skewed point of view. You are lying when you say I praise and elevate white men and down grade black men. Distortion has always been your weapon of choice; false narratives are your MO. I don't put black men down. Nor do I elevate white men. Show me where I've done so. I give credit where credit is due and this is something you have a problem with because your are consumed with jealousy, envy and insecurity. You are the only regular black male contributor on this forum who I would say that about because the rest of the guys here are able to keep things in perspective and are confident enough to not feel threatened by competition. Incidentally, I was happily married to a black man for 50 years.

@Pioneer1In response to your question as to whether I include black gang members in the "power-as-an-aphrodisiac" dynamic, the answer is yes. But your misinterpretations of what I say, and the accusations that they lead you to make, do not command my further response. I don't feel I have to continue defending myself from your version of the narrative you're attempting to control. Believe whatever you want to believe when it comes to black males vs white ones. It really makes me no difference.

l've never been guilty of assuming all Italian men are stallions, or all white women are the exemplificaton of blond beauty except in your usual STRAWMAN response replete with your favorite "it seems" preface wherein the only person "it seems" that way to, is you. The reference to my 50-year class reunion was to imply that the Italian mobsters were able to acquire eye candy because their "power" was an aphrodisiac. The stallion and blond beauty stereotypes are your spin. My position has always been that great beauty and extraordinary masculinity are universal traits and are assets that grace individuals in every species of the human race.( So when you insist on characterizing ALL black males as the only supermen, then I am dubious. OTOH, nobody negatively portrays black people any more than you do as evidenced by your little scenarios about them which ProfD had to dispute because what you described didn't apply to the FBAs he associates with.

@Pioneer1 So, when it comes to appearance, "beautiful" and "stallion" are forbidden words unless you're speaking of "Afro-Americans", huh? I don't believe you realize how ridiculous you sound, or how much you come across as being afflicted with a one-track mind, hampered by tunnel vision and gripped by an over active imagination that casts yourself as the "HNIC" chosen to tell his people "what they see when they look". Puleeze. You are who deals in stereotypes because you imply that Blacks are too dumb to process the idea that beauty comes in many varieties that can, and do co-exist!

@TroyGee, are you sure this 7 year old post is not from a parallel universe??? I don't remember participating in this dialogue! Guess I really am in the early stages of dementia. Everything I just recently posted about MLK was repetitive. I had said it all before. Humm. It was, however, an interesting, if unresolved, discussion. I'm surprised nobody mentioned anything about Bayard Rustin, an acknowledged homosexual, the brilliant architect of the 1963 March on Washington project and a member of MLK's inner circle... Upon re-thinking a lot of my past- held beliefs, I'm not so sure a person couldn't experiment with homosexuality out of curiosity, and then just move on after concluding that it was not their cup of tea.

Yes, this era does come close to 1960s America, but - I guess it does not exceed what went on during the civil rights movement and anti-war protests. Yet, - somehow, things didn't seem so dystopic then; - like the future of America, as we know it, was at stake. Back then, there was more a feeling of hope rather than despair. Hard to explain. And as bad as he was, Nixon was nowhere near as narcisstic and ignorant as Trump. He was a text book Conservative, and an adherent to the Constitution, not a Retrumpican renegade. To me, today's spectre of fascism and returning to the past is more scary than yesterday's struggle to achieve democracy for all.

With the murder of Alex Pretti, an ICU nurse at a VA hospital in Minnesota, who ICE agents riddled with bullets when he went to the aid of a female protestor they were wrestling to the ground, the tense situation in this country has really escalated. Social media is blowin up as Retrumpicans and Dems go at it, with MAGAs labeling Pretti as a gun-carrying domestic terrorist, and Dems describing him as a Good Samaritan who was brandishing a phone not the gun he was licensed to carry and had on him. ICE supporters argue that all of this could've been avoided had Alex Pretti not interfered with federal troops doing their duty while Pretti is being turned into an angel of mercy and martyr by the Left, much to the chagrin of Right wingers who defend the reckless overkill by who the Left refer to as masked, poorly-trained bullies! The camera accounts taken by those on the sideline do seem to contradict the Trump Administration's accounts of Pretti being a threat, and It's Charlie Kirk all over again as the lines are being drawn and the nation becomes more polarized than ever, with Blacks continuing to distance themselves from the conflict, preferring to remind that what happened to Alex Pretti has always gone on in their neighborhoods. As much as I hate MAGAS and ICE, and agree that the camera proves that Homeland Security head, Kristi Noem, is lying, I wish the Liberals would stop the over-the- top aggrandizing of Alex Pretti because it's so obviously hyperbole. Now it has been revealed that Pretti was previously arrested for intervening in another protest and that he was under investigation by ICE officials who were out to get him. smh. One thing for sure is that ICE is bad news and its members who are rumored to be heavily drawn from right wing militias like the Proud Boys, are trigger happy unprofessional storm troopers who need to be dismantled and sent back down their rabbit holes! They have caused nothing but trouble and are a menace to American society.

@Pioneer1French men get a lot of props, too. It's all about bragging rights, with every group claiming the crown for their team. Nobody takes it to the extent that you do, however, by going so far as to declaring that it's biological. And, btw, Strawman, I never "disavowed stereotypes". My complaint about you is your all-encompassing claim when it comes to assigning superior traits to all black men. And, as in any ethnicity, not all the Italian guys who I went to high school with were "stallions". Many were just average. The town next to where I grew up was heavily populated with Italian immigrants and their second generation children, some of whom ended up becoming members of the Chicago mob. At my 50-year class reunion there was a table of them. Tough lookin' dudes, exuding power with their beautiful blond wives.Whatever. In any case, you seem obsessed, and are apparently on a mission to elevate black manhood in the same manner Hitler did with the Aryans and his Master Race theories. That's the problem I have with your stance. You'd save yourself a lot of frustration if you'd just deal with the reality of the human race being made up of breeds who are more alike than different, and that they all have their super studs. Don't you ever get tired of beating the drum for a cause that doesn't live up to your hype? Find a new pastime. Bowling is a lot of fun. Even if "Afro-Americans" aren't the only ones good at it.

And, of course, in the "Game of Thrones" TV series, the "Red Woman" brings Jon Snow back to life by speaking a spell!! I do believe you can weaponize words. Up until this past year I spent a lot of time on FB arguing with right wing conservatives and on those threads, out of all the anti-Trump posters, I would always be the one these MAGAs responded to because I infused my words with so much venom, this stung them. Speaking of stung, with the advent of freezing winter weather, village workers came and removed the dormant wasp nest from the now bare tree in front of my house.

@Pioneer1My environment has always been integrated. I attended school and college with, worked beside, lived next door to white people. And, of course, I've always been around black men. And I never found the men in one group any more completely appealing than the other. There were ones I found attractive in each group and ones I found unattractive in each group;all seemed equally horny. (I don't know about penis size.) "Italian stallions" were "something else". Cool, aloof Nordic types very intriguing. Black dudes? Comfortable to be around. What made a difference, of course, was that I didn't socialize with white people. All my interactions were with my own kind. And there were plenty of rejects among them. As for my husband, he chose me. And because he we were very compatible, we ended up married. Oddly enough, it was only after we wed, when other women would tell me I had a handsome husband, did I look closer at him and think, humm he is kinda fine. This probably had to do with him aging well, because we were 23 when we tied the knot. Among my black female friends, we never went around raving about black guys being top of the line.We just stuck with who we were around. Interracial coupling wasn't pursued. It amazes me how you tout black men as being so superior over other men, so much more appealing to women, white ones in particular, based solely on what? You seem convinced that all white woman are turned on by all black men. How do you know this? You never consider how traits other than physical ones can be aphrodisiacal to all women I simply think that fine, sexy, personable, brilliant individuals are found in all ethnicities. A few years after my husband passed, out of curiosity and encouraged by my kids, I tried dating this one black man - who never picked me up and took me grocery shopping! No chemistry. End of story.

Source: Studies? Research paper? Peer review? @TroyI know you don't like to use it, but if you Google East Side, West Side, some pics with Cicely in it come up.

In your dreams. There's no realistic reason to believe a black guy would have an advantage over other contestants in a contest to determine the the handsomest specimen with the best physique. Good looks and great bodies are individual characteristics found in every ethnicity. The panel of judges are who would pick the winner and "potential sex mate" isn't likely to be on the list of boxes to be ticked.

All the above input proves is that "black" means different things to different people. Not surprising because as I have previously noted, there is no collective consciousness among American negroid people of color. I'm not trying to recruit others to my point of view and don't feel the need to further defend it. I do find the possibility of people trying to "masquerade" as black, a ludicrous fear. As much as y'all bitch and moan about all the ongoing injustices of racism, why would anybody want to be black? Why would a white person want to be black? Why would a fair skinned person of color claim to be a "second class" citizen and all the baggage that comes with that if they were not intrinsically black?? The issue of what is and who are black is a slippery slope and I maintain that no one person is empowered enough to pass final judgment. I've always felt that the diaspora of hybrid slave descendants over the hundreds of years have created their own unique culture and identity and deserved their own niche in the American annals. African immigrants and their American-born offspring are a different breed and can blaze their own trails. At this point, I don't give a damn. We are what we are, and lotsa luck in making that work for you. Ho-Hum. I remain me.

It should be noted that there are male equivalents to beauty contests. "Mr. Universe" for one. This is where Arnold Schwartzenegger got his start.