Yes we had different perspectives but after looking up the definitions of proof evidence and semantics I see your point. So thank you for both your persistence and patience.

23 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 @Delano    have you ever blogged on aalbc about your tarot experiences,in depth?

So I hadn't seen this until now.

No I had a Wordpress page on Astrology. I think  may have posted my divination bio here. I have a FB page called Astrological Theory. But Blogs require consistent and continual content.

Here is one of the exchanges

Will post later 

3 hours ago, Cynique said:

9 of hearts and if it was upside down, you weren't going to get your wish.

I had a Tarot reader say the same thing. In Tarot the 9 of cups (hearts) is one of the most beneficial pip cards. However there are stronger beneficial Trump cards. 

You seem to remember quite a bit from 60 years ago.

You didn't need to know the standard definition of the cards to know what the mean.

I had a friend that wanted me to teach them Tarot. I said don't read the book. I want you to come up with your own meanings of the cards. One day I saw her with the book. She didn't trust her meanings nor  my method. So I ended the lessons.

I am going out in a limb with my next statement. You knew on some level that your readings were correct. Otherwise you are consciously being deceptive. Which I don't believe was the case.

Were  you're readings ever wrong?

As an aside I don't think you can properly read Tarot or utilise any divination system without intuition.

Since the cards have more than one meaning and there isn't a rational way to pick one over the other.

2 hours ago, Cynique said:

me, a claim  has to be proven before it can be defined as evidence

I am not arguing semantics which is why I posted the definitions. 

For me it is not the same to say.

You can have evidence. 

It can be evident

You can have proof 

It can be proven.

It proves the point 

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/evidence_1

[uncountable] the information that is used in court to try to prove something. 

to prove or show something; to be evidence of something

So you are correct that evidence can be used interchangeably based on the definitions.

However one definition of evidence is not the same as proof. 

Our point of difference is that definitions is a subset of semantics. Semantics is the meaning of words and phrases.

A word does have a different definition versus usage in a phtase 

I was going to say sentence but it is not the same as a phrase. 

I thought you .were wrong, I should have known better. However I have learnt something today.

Following 

Can anyone explain how evidence is a proof unless it is self evident. In which case it is already a proof. 

A geometric proof involves writing reasoned, logical explanations that use definitions, axioms, postulates, and previously proved theorems to arrive at a conclusion about a geometric statement. A good proof has an argument that is clearly developed with each step supported by:

• Theorems: statements that can be proved to be true
• Postulates: statements that are assumed to be true without proof (for example, an angle has only one bisector)
• Axioms: self-evident truths or the basic facts that are accepted without any proof (for example, a straight line can be drawn between any two points)

Proofs are commonly written in two columns, where the statements are listed in one column and the reasons for each statement's truth are listed in another column.

3 hours ago, Cynique said:

Well when paired with its binary twin "evidence", "proof" is a noun. The contention is that "evidence" and "proof" are not the same. not "evidence" and "prove".  

We have to disagree because i maintain these 2 words are interchangeable and that they define each other.  Can you come up with a better synonym for  "evidence"? ( A word, not a phrase or sentence.) 

Presentation. You can present evidence but it is not proof unless it is given some thought. And I would say that thinking is a verb not a noun.

Being shown evidence is passive for the receiver. The receiver has to do actively think about it before it is accepted. For example you can present evidence to Pioneer, but unless he accepts it as valid it is not proof of your argument. However you have your own definition of proof. And no amount of evidence even standard definitions of the word from my two favourite dictionaries proves my assertion. @Cynique

Here's the  proof , and hopefully it will be proof for you, and prove my argument.

Did the evidence provide proof @Cynique

9 minutes ago, Cynique said:

But "proof" is not a verb.  "Evidence" and "proof" are both nouns that had to be modified with adjectives within a sentence.

Proof is also a verb and adjective


Oxford English Dictionary
https://www.oed.com/oed2/00190047

B. Signification. I. From prove v. in the sense of making good, or showing to be true.

1. a. That which makes good or proves a statement; evidence sufficient (or contributing) to establish a fact or produce belief in the certainty of something. †to make proof: to have weight as evidence (obs.).

b. Law. (generally) Evidence such as determines the judgement of a tribunal. Also spec.

2. The action, process, or fact of proving, or establishing the truth of, a statement; the action of evidence in convincing the mind; demonstration.

II. From prove v. in the sense of trying or testing.

4. a. The action or an act of testing or making trial of anything, or the condition of being tried; test, trial, experiment; examination, probation; assay. Often in phrases to bring, put, set, etc. (something) in, on, to (the, †a) proof.

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof
 

proof

2 of 3

adjective

1

: able to resist or repel

boots that were … proof against cold and wet—Robertson Davies

—often used in combination

windproof

2

: used in proving or testing or as a standard of comparison

3

: of standard strength or quality or alcoholic content

b. Arith. An operation serving to test or check the correctness of an arithmetical calculation.

c. The aeration of dough by leaven before baking. Cf. prove v. 1g.

III. That which is produced as a test; a means or instrument for testing.

b. Photogr. A first or trial print taken from a plate; also used as equivalent to print 

13 minutes ago, Cynique said:

@Delano Lots of people are walking the streets because they beat the rap and were found "not guilty" of a crime they did commit. They are not "innocent", but benefitted from an effective defense. This is an example of how  loaded words are; semantics. 

I agree that was the point I was trying to make. The smoking Gun is evidence(noun), the proof is a process (verb). 

A friend told me Mah Jonng has a spiritual dimension. Playing cards can be used for fortune telling. In addition there is a divination system that use playing cards. Which I happened to be exposed to at the same time I was learning Tarot.

4 hours ago, Cynique said:

Another semantic bind is that, in a court of law, a person found "not guilty" is not necessarily "innocent". 

I don't believe innocence I'd ever mentioned. It's either guilty or not guilty.

It would be difficult to determine innocence since motivation is not easily ascertained 

The verdict proves the evidence, or not.

Without context meaning is elusive.

When a topic is discussed I try to think about it in more than one context, I also like etymology and arguing semantics.

In a case you provide evidence and then the prosecutor tries to use the evidence as a proof of a crime. Whereas the defense tries to disprove it. Evidence is the body of material presented, proof is the verdict.

I prefer games that have a random component or where luck comes into play as well as skill. So the few times I have been to a Casino I prefer Roulette. Since the croupier skills don't tilt the game in the house's favor.

I was thinking along those same lines this morning. The Vedas touch upon ever area of life. 

What is fascinating is that certain yoga asanas (poses) have beneficial effects on the body or mind. In addition asanas at held for different lengths of time. So yoga was divinely inspired or downloaded from the aether.

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Hold the phone bro...I have no self-hatred towards myself or anyone else. 

 

In fact, I love myself more than Peter loved the Lord.

Sorry never doubted it. Just had a little pronoun problem.

I'm mistook Pioneer's self  hatred as hatred towards Blacks. Thanks for clearing that up for me @ProfD

On 1/23/2023 at 1:20 PM, Troy said:

 

clearly the civilization that built the pyramids was advanced.

There is a pyramid in Mexico that makes a bird sound when you clap in front of it and a snake sound when you clap on the other side.

On 1/9/2023 at 3:47 AM, ProfD said:

It's a fact that the average intelligence of human beings is higher than it was 50 or more years ago.

 

 

 

The system isn't weeding out folks of average and below intelligence. There will always be jobs for unskilled workers...janitors, dishwashers, day laborers, etc.

 

 

 

At every point in human history, there has always been people who couldn't get right for one reason or another. Many by choice. That's not going to change. 

 

Life separates the chaff from the wheat. Application of intelligence and not the lack thereof plays a part in determining which part one has to eat. 

 

The responsibility we have as human beings to insure that those who need the most help get it is another conversation. 

This is so tight and on the money.

On 1/19/2023 at 7:36 AM, ProfD said:

Your criticism of AfroAmericans could be construed as self-hate especially if it is non-constructive and/or devoid of context. 

 

However, reading that you love being a Black man/brotha gave me a slight sigh of relief. 

 

I was hoping there would be no reason for a Drop Squad intervention on your azz.

Agreed. It made me question whether he was Black.

18 hours ago, Cynique said:

So did anybody see the green comet? i didn't. 

I'll let you know in February.

What's the difference between smarter and wiser?