Cynique

Everybody has lists. You top your list of people who you think are intellectual. WRONG.

No, Del, My Sweet, i don't respect Pioneer more than you or any other male on this board. i find him an obnoxious, deluded blow-hard. And the ridiculous statement he just made is one of the many reasons i have this low opinion of him.

Wrong, as usual. You top the list of black men i love to criticize. With good reason. You rarely know what you're talking about. BWAHAHAHAHA!

It's a problem for you. Not for their lawyer who advised them to not make public statements as any good lawyer would do to prevent their clients from incriminating themselves. The brothers did go before a grand jury and what they said was apparently credible enough to bring an indictment. If Jussie is brought to trial, the brothers will be served a subpoena to appear in court where their stories will be cross-examined with due diligence by the Defense. Jussie unwisely chose to solicit an interview with Good Morning America co-host, Robin Williams, so he could plead his case, and his words may come back to haunt him. Any of them speaking publicly will make it even harder to impanel an impartial jury later on down the line if the case goes to trial. Of course Jussie has his defenders, the usual crowd who think he's being railroaded because he's black. He needs to be found guilty of being stupid. Now go back to empathizing with RKelly by peeing on yourself because you can't find a young girl. Then you can concentrate on being further pissed because the white massage parlor patron and owner of the Patriots, Robert Kraft, is not getting as much bad press as your heroes.

Don't hide behind me in an effort to make yourself look like something other than a wimp who kalexander made mincemeat of. You're who imagines this site is a stage where posters are vying for the approval of lurkers. If popularity was my concern i would be a sweet pleasant person instead of a bitch. I love it when smart people come on board and express themselves well. Then there's you. It's amusing to watch others here regularly clean your clock. LOL

Did i say you were stuck in a rut? You shouldn't have tried on the shoe. LOL I have never been a devotee of Frances Cress Welsing and her unorthodox views. I have been looking around and trying for about 50 years to find out whether the rumors of her having been married to and bitterly divorced from a white man were true. Because she and i had mutual acquaintances, i heard that this was what redirected her career from being a pediatric psychiatrist to an uncredentialed afro-centric anthropologist dismantling white supremacy, something that cost her her position on the staff of Howard University. Some say she was married to an African but i couldn't ever find any verification of this. While looking around i did learn that a fan of hers had to come forward and pay for her funeral. i find that curious. BTW, since i know you won't be watching the the televised Academy Awards this Sunday I will let you know whether black Actress Regina King wins a supporting Oscar for her role as the sensitive and loving mother in "If Beale Street Could Talk", a black film based on a book by James Baldwin, or if Mahershala Ali, wins one for his role in "Green Book", a film about the elegant and intellectual black jazz pianist Don Shirley. And also if "Black Panther" wins for best picture. These artists and this picture did win Golden Globe and Screen Actors Guild Awards earlier this year. Spike Lee is also up for a best director award for his picture "Black KKKlansman" starring John David Washington, Denzel's son.

@Troy Didn't i say, we should agree to disagree? I have nothing further to say on the subject which we have a history of not seeing eye to eye on. I prefer to look allll around me, rather than being stuck in a rut.

No i'm suggesting the R&B and Slo-Jam music is still popular, so popular that rappers sample it on their cuts. Chicago is the home of the uniquely midwestern "steppin" community, a type of dance that is not geared toward Rap music, but to good ol R&B songs. It is also the home of "house music" whose popularity raves in the alternative music genre. And i make a distinction between hip hop music and gangsta rap. BTW, Cardi B won one of her Grammy's for the best rap album of the year in that category, a genre that has its own category just like all of the others types of music.( Nobody gives rap more credibility than the people who say it's not credible.) Rap is now establishment music. And black purveyors of it have their own labels, and producers and they keep the money they make, many of them giving back to the communities they came from. Other ethnics have adopted this genre, and little kids don't have to be taught it; it comes natural to them because it is syncronized with the beat of their pulses which throb with the times and, as such, rap is a cultural phenomenon that would be widespread whether it was profitable or not. The music scene is a mosaic of which rap is just one facet. and most blacks like all types of black music. You folks act like you've never heard of Beyonce or John Legend or a slew of other millionaire non rap superstars out there, - or like you have never listened to Urban radio stations. "Precious" which came out almost 10 years ago, was based on a book written by a black woman and the movie was true to the book. There are currently a lot of mainstream movies out there about positive black people, especially on the black TV channels. A series based on the movie "Boomerang" executive produced by Halle Berry who acted on Eddie Murphy's idea, has just debuted and it rocks. Plus Oprah's channel has a lot of contemporary programming that authentically portrays black folks. Of course y'all wouldn't know about these things because you boycott TV. These are the observations of an 85-year-old-woman in the year 2019, not those of Frances Cress Welsing circa 1970. To me, y'all are stuck in the past still voicing the same ol rhetoric that is not that relevant today. So we have to agree to disagree.

Well, you folks ask the questions, then you answer them. You all seemed shocked in your reaction to the way black actors were treated in Hollywood. Consider what the black actors, themselves, say which is if you want to work in Hollywood, you take the roles that are available. This is true of whites as well. Would you rather have white people playing roles written for black ones in movies exposing the awful history of slavery??? The film industry is about making money and providing entertainment. Movies are as American as apple pie and this means that those who produce them can be racists. They are not crusaders for truth and justice. Okay? Since blacks wielded no power, they had to start somewhere, had to take baby steps in making progress. They did the best they could and through perserverence they have made great strides, even owning their own studios and producing their own movies nowadays. i stand by my statement below.

Why would he? His high profile lawyer has probably advised him to remain silent. There was reasonable cause to arrest him because the cops had surveillance tapes and a check he made out to the Nigerians and phone records of calls made to them to back up their claims.

Why? Because the industry is controlled by whites and money, and racism comes with the territory. Hollywood has always promoted ethnic stereotypes, Blacks have been the main victims of this but movie characterzations of Italians, Jews, Mexicans, Irish and Germans have also been unflattering. Puleeze. It's not like black actresses had choices. If they wanted to work, they had to take the roles that were available. Nobody in Hollywood wins acclaim and awards for bland, Pollyanna roles. They win for for giving performances that are compelling. As for rappers, they are "art imitating life". There is an audience for this type of music, and it makes money. There are other genres of black music being recorded that are equally popular and profitable. This debate has been going on for years. You guys can't be as naive as you sound when it comes to this subject.

If that was the case on this site, you would've been banished long ago. You are not a threat to the woman on this board. You are still around because you provide us with ongoing opportunities to debunk the dumb ideas of the type of men you are representative of. LOL

@Pioneer1Oh puleeze. Anything to blame the media and exonerate a black man, - even a gay one. The Chicago Police Department bent over backwards to treat Jussie fairly because they knew they were under scrutiny by the entire nation due to their bad reputation. Bottom line, if Jussie hadn't done what he did, none of this would be happening to him and you wouldn't have to be trotting out your usual paranoid theories. Jussie is being punished for his stupidity, and he is solely to blame for the damage he has done to the credibility of the black and gay communities. All because he didn't think Empire was paying him enough money.

I disagree. Monique played a role that was essential to the plot of the movie and her character was more of a pitiful victim of circumstances, than a hard core villain. This is what actresses do; they play a role and the part is not always that of a heroine. The role Halle Berry played and received an Oscar for wasn't one that placed black women in a flattering light, but she embraced the character she played, - as any good actress does. The same can be said of the actress who played the obese, down-and-out Precious in Monique's movie, as well the subservient maid played by Viola Davis in "The Help". This has been the history of black actresses in Hollywood, but things are getting much better as sistas are stepping up in the industry and making a mark for themselves in front of and behind the camera.

@Pioneer1As if black people have a choice about being pro-black. Monique doesn't have to be a black nationalist to be pro-black. All she has to be is a black person who is anti-white when it comes to blacks being exploited.

@Pioneer1You don't have a clue as to what "these women" are "angry" about. Nobody here is angry but you, and that's because the women here regularly dismiss your cock-eyed opinions about black women as being stupid.

@Pioneer1You delivered a cheap shot, making snide reference to the white guy's gender because you are so envious and bitter. Your transparency is glaring. i do not indiscriminately like white men. That's your rationale for my dissing you while tolerating a civil white guy who was sincere in his curiosity about black women. i wed and was married to a black man for 50 years and would rather be in the company of Troy or Del or Nubian Fellow or Gibran or Kalexander than any white man i know. i appreciate anyone with a droll wit and Lorne's self-effacing references to his blond pony tail and red beard were humorous . Something you are too obtuse and goofy to appreciate.

A fortunate black man?? Egads! LOL

The house nigga lives in the massa's house and enjoys all the privileges which come with this, but this doesn't mean he likes being a slave. The field nigga is breakin his back pickin cotton or tobacco or cane, which today would be equivalete to being a street person living in the inner city/ghetto hustling. i didn't get the idea that this is your lifestyle. You sound very middleclass but discontented. I described you as ambiguous because after you vent, you retreat and come very close to apologizing.

@NubianFellow I don't think this guy has seen these posts. What i liked about him was that he was secure enough to not take himself too seriously. He poked fun at himself, and seemed mostly to be motivated by the "me too" movement, wanting to give women their due; black ones in particular. You and Pioneer were immediately on the defensive, with Pioneer right off the bat, insinuating about his gender, and you drilling and criticizing him, insecure reactions because you both regarded him as threat in spite of the fact that his approach was not aggressive.

It's like you are passive aggressive when it comes to white people, and it's clear that your resentment toward them is simmering just beneath the surface. But you actually don't owe anybody an explanation or justification for this. This is your right. The person being most harmed by your ambivalence is you because your vacillating emotions frustrate you. Whether you realize it or not you are a house nigga who has a love-hate relationship with your status. LOL But i adore you. Why? Because your intelligence empowers you and i can sense that you are kind, and of course have a great affection for black woman. Some woman will be lucky to win your devotion. And you are a welcome addition to this board. I am from another generation, and my attitude toward whites came out my experience of growing up in a small northern interracial town and attending integrated schools. My resentment toward white folks was tempered by how me and my small group of peers never sought white approval or acceptance. We were comfortable in our own skins and liked the lives we created for ourselves. In high school i was engulfed in a white sea of classmates, casually acquainted with typical blonde, blue-eyed or swarthy white guys, all-american honor students and sports jocks, the last astronaut to walk on the moon being one of them. They were never mean or disrespectful to me. Black guys, were were not as kind. Because they had their own issues. And during both my high school and college days, white people would often seek us blacks out, wanting to be our friends and wanting to be taught how to dance and play bid whist and be cool. This was during the 1950s. Once the Civil Rights movement got underway, we were surrounded by do-gooder bleeding heart white Liberals, eager to show how unprejudiced they were, unaware of being benign racists steeped in white privilege. They were almost amusing. We were actually the type who would blow off black face, attributing it to white stupidity, not black shame. That's where i come from. No denying it is not the typical black experience nor one to be celebrated, but it is mine. (One that, nonetheless, didn't not my dull capacity for hating Donald Trump and all he represents. ) I married a black man whose background was similar to mine, and later worked around white men who would laugh and joke and flirt with me. And were kind. What can i say? As Mel has astutely noted, "we are not a single story people."

These responses don't push me into the arms of white men, but they do crystallize the reason why certain black men make me roll my eyes upward. If i was a young woman on the market, looking for a boyfriend, I'd wouldn't set my sites on somebody who eats drinks and sleeps black fanaticism, constantly nagging and droning and pouting about how a black woman should represent what they have decided is acceptable. Guys who can only be described as envying white men who have out-foxed black ones and now run the world. You have completely overreacted to the post from the innocuous white man, and Mel's having been married to a white guy who she found attractive on many levels. Get over it. Stop wallowing in your insecurities. and whining about the irrepressible racism that is not cramping your style, just your flexibility. Not to mention that you are not altogether infallible in your views and solutions. You are not visionaries, you are maladjusted malcontents, victims of your own brainwashing. Petulant because you can't mold black women to fit your specifications, never considering that you yourselves might leave something to be desired as you walk around exemplifying your own brand of European mediocrity. Yes, racism is ubiquitous but you can't conceive of the idea that it will run its course because diversity is the wave of the future. No, you're stuck in the mire of a viscous tar pit that hampers your inability to cope with an indifferent world that ignores your grievances. Go out and find the type of women who meet your standards and spare the rest of black women your Afro-centric vigilance. Thank you Troy and Del for your posts representing broadminded guys. (BTW, i said before that i don't really think little black girls today would prefer a Lady Gaga doll over a Nikki Minaj one.) This is 2019.

"Other words", being your words which automatically voids their substance. Not all white men are powerful or intelligent or kind, obviously. (That's your subconscious concession to white supremacy) If I find those 3 traits in a kind, secure white man who treats me with consideration and respect, then he's easy to find appealing. And i certainly don't have to justify what would attract me to a white man. It's my prerogative to prefer one over a black man like you. Fortunately, there are other black men around who are not like you who, themselves, are secure, powerful, intelligent, and kind.

You are assuming that he "calls himself Loren". Does it ever occur to you that "Loren" was what he was named by his parents? When it's spelled "Loren" and not "Lauren", this name can be male or female. And speaking of spelling, the word is spelled "definitely" not "definately" as i have repeatedly called to your attention. You are so quick to parse words and give their root, why don't you investigate the Latin etymology of this word. Of course you will refuse to do this because this little lapse is a clue as to why your mind works the way it does when it comes to big issues.

Guest Loren Carle Guests Report post (IP: 204.113.88.245) This guest post was buried in the "Black Women are Beautiful' thread, invisible because it had not been approved by a monitor. I rarely exercise my monitor privilege on this site but this was an interesting commentary so i took the liberty of approving it and hope Troy doesn't have a problem with my doing so. Cynique. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted 1 hour ago This topic hurts my heart. I am a white man, and so feel that very little I have to say in the matter will be helpful. However, here goes. My personal response over the few decades of my adult life has been a decision to have my natural facial hair, and a relaxed attitude to my head hair. I don't spend any money on shaving stuff, and ask my wife to cut my beard the way she likes best once in a while. I keep my head hair in some kind of reasonable state of tidiness, without thinking too much about it. I used to have it long and in a braid, hoping for solidarity with Native American men. I'm not sure anymore that the effect of a long, thin blonde braid on a white man with a red beard was the desired one. I recognise that I probably experience a lot of privilege in making these decisions, but I hope it's one way that I can reject the privilege afforded to shaven, short-haired white men. The difficulty seems to lie in black women being forced to choose their battles. Do their employers or co-workers comment on their self-presentation in ways that give them fear for their income that supports their children? This is what should not be! I would like to hear from black women about this topic. If we men, of any origin, presume to tell any women how they should appear, it's just the same old sad story of men presuming to dictate how women should present themselves, expressing the same old sick power dynamic. We gotta just stop, guys, and love the women and men we love by honouring their dignity with acceptance, support, and appreciation of their own personal aesthetic—wait for it—choices. What we can do is examine work on our own attitudes honestly and privately, without looking for kudos (or to get laid) for being woke: nobody owes us anything. We need then to notice how those attitudes are reflected in whom we find attractive, and whether and how we express that attraction. peace