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@Cynique that was brilliant. I laughed all the way through this. It was insightful and on point and just damn funny! Thanks you so much for brightening my day! This is a perfect ending to a long day. I've been at it for over 13 hours. I'm gonna make myself a nice dinner and grab a glass of wine. Thanks again Cynique. Indeed, thanks everyone for participating! I know, I know, I have to do better with my typos😞

Jesus Christ @Delano this took 5 seconds to find. Rand Paul sides with Trump on Russia, says critics 'motivated' by dislike of president. “Republicans that are making the criticism are either the pro-war Republicans like McCain and Graham or the anti-Trump ones like Sasse … They are motivated by their persistent and consistent dislike of the president.” Rand Paul is a Senator from Kentucky Now what do you have to say? For the record, thought it was literally 5 seconds, it was not worth my time, but I did it because it was you. 🙂

Actually I'm not @Pioneer1 everyone knows there are innocent people locked up and guilty people running free. Sure you have to believe that the majority of people locked up are guilty right? Also the guilty people running around would hurt my argument because they would be considered part of the general population. Pioneer why do you keep demanding proof. You have no proof and I've never said i have proof. I have presented a factual correlation. all the gradious assumptions are yours (and Del's). @Delano, or shall I say Mr. Strawman, why are you now introducing race into the question? I never mentioned anything about race. But if you want to go there, surely you must agree that uneducated white people are more violent that the educated ones. Do you think the low level membership of Klan is made up of people like Richard Feynman? No I did not get the get the Boris and Natasha reference. I was never a fan of that cartoon 😉

@Pioneer1 The reason is that markers are brilliant. They understand human psychology and exploit us with ever more sophisticated techniques and tools. When individuals from Eastern culture are exposed to western values they are converted -- in a single generation. They, like us, are left spiritually empty as a result. More money, more stuff, more sex, more, sports, more food, fancier phone, facebook likes and we are never satisfied. We don't even know what need or what will make us happy.

@Pioneer1 is your argument; "He is arguing class as a function of income." as @Delano asserts? Please answer this simple question. Thanks.

Sure collective effort is important, but I think greed is the prime motivator for the European colonialist and capitalist. The development of weapons including guns and atomic bombs and the willingness to use them is a big deal. The willing to enslave another human, in perpetuity, then create some "science" and use religion to justify it is some serious shit. WHo does this?! The indigenous people across the America worked together before they were exterminated. The African kidnapped from Africa too lived in communities that worked together. These groups just did not work collective for evil. Look our smartest people are working for Facebook for Christ's sake. In previous generation these geniuses were working for the manhattan project. The upper class is all about getting as rich as possible at the expense of all of us. If you were worth a few hundred billion of dollars could you live with yourself having the people who work for you making $9 an hour? You think Bezos is losing a second of sleep?

@Delano The answer is yes you can find an opinion to support anything on the net -- you know this. But that doesn't mean anything. Please try to understand what @Cynique has already written in response. This has nothing to do with what is right or just.

I saw this on Twitter but of course I not into citing Twitter as a source. This lead me to an website, which lead me to another website, which ultimately lead me to the original source which was, yes you guessed it Barack Obama's Facebook page. I had not idea Obama was active on Facebook (seriously). Well I don;t know how active he is because this was the only post of his that I looked at. I did notice that a few of my friends "liked" Barry's reading list along with another 123 thousand other people. I did not "like" it -- what is the point? It is not like Obama is gonna say, "Hey 'Chelle, check it out; Troy from AALBC liked my reading list." Yay Facebook...

Oh so you've taken it personally. My father did not go to university either. But I'm sure he'd agree if he had he would have benefited. Knowledge is power Del, and you don't have to go to "university" to acquire it.

The back and forth and missing the point is all a reflection of western culture.

I found this difficult to listen to as the translator's voice was drowned out by Putin's. What was the important message here Del?

Fake news. 😉 Listen to right wing media for a day and see what they think. We talking about 45 so much look at the ad google is placing on the website.

Del I'm not going to waste time trying explain to an adult, with a functional, brain why obtaining an education is self improvement. Do I have to also explain why eating right, exercising, and getting sufficient rest is a form of self improvement as well? People educated in the trades have an education too... I'm not talking about just mba's and rocket scientists. I'd be willing to say you are less likely to commit a violent crime if you have a high school diploma from a shitty public school or a GED that someone without those credentials. Would now be willing say that getting a high school dimplia does not make an individual better than if they had not gotten one?

I hope you are right, but removal from office by year's end seems highly unlikely.

No Del, everything is not up for debate. Facts, despite modern media's inclination to do so, is a waste of time. I'm surprised you would even make a statement like this. Why would any reasonable person, whose time is valuable, "debate" facts? My God man, are you still continuing to question the fact that people in jail are less educated than the general population?! What about "street knowledge?" People with real street knowledge stay out of jail. Your reasoning is lost on me. The incredibly ridiculous claim that getting an education is sounds like eugenics is simply absurd. @Pioneer1 do you co-sign Del's statement? Is the eugenics argument why you are rejecting the notion of education bettering people and perhaps leading them to a less violent way of life? No one here has said that uneducated people are worth less than educated ones and need to be exterminated?! Why go off the deep end Del? It should be axiomatic that individuals better themselves through education. Only someone with a low class mentality (regardless of their net worth) would think otherwise.

@harry brown, Oprah is trying to maximize revenue. If putting on football players like Kaepernick and other advances her goal of making money she'll do it. You can't become a billionaire trying to do what is "right" -- especially if it is for Black people.

This is the heart of why I'm saying @Delano is being disingenuous. Del, @Cynique has been called a LOT of things on these forums over the past 15 years or so but "nonsensical" is not one of them, perhaps because it has never been warranted. Del you said that @Pioneer1 has taken the following position: You are wrong Del. What you wrote is simply a false statement. The position I've asserted is that income is independent class; this is the position Pioneer has agreed with. If you stopped jocking Pioneer for a second, this would would be clear. Again, I don't understand your motivation. You are exhibiting an intellectual dishonesty for a reason I simply can not devine. @Pioneer1 of course agreement is allowed. However the way you expressed that agreement was not clear. Generally the word "agree" or some synonym is used 🙂

No @Cynique "writing wrong" is exactly was Del is doing. @Pioneer1, I don't really understand what you mean by that statement, but I'm sure it is not a position that I've asserted here, or in our in previous conversations, nor is it related to the title of the conversation you started: "Are Less Educated People More Prone To Violence?" It is obvious, to any educated person, that prisoners are significantly less educated than the general public. Again there is a correlation between education and propensity to violence. This is nt really up for debate. We can debate the reasons for this correlation, but I suspect we will find common ground there.

@Pioneer1 yes, I know, I just said that. What is you point? Also, tipping is not a middle class value. However not tipping is a low class value.

Pioneer you did not answer my question: Do you think that the percentage of people with a college education, incarcerated for violent crime is higher than the percentage of people in the general populations? (a simple "yes" or "no" would suffice) My definition says "...learning how to apply it." Besides it seems like you are less focused on trying to understand what Im saying and much more focused on trying to figure out different ways to dispute it. That is probably why you did not answer my question... I even put it in boldface so that you would not miss it. Your position is that educated people commit just as many violent crimes as uneducated people, but get away with it because they are slicker, know more lawyers, and can afford better representation. Your statement would is difficult to disprove because it is based upon the assumption that unsolved violent crimes are committed by educated people who were smart enough to get a away with it. We can;t know who has gotten away with unsolved or unreported crimes. We could look at the educational levels of those tried, but not convicted, but of course many of these people might actually be innocent-- regardless of educational level. So there is no information (that I'm aware of) which would prove any of the statements that you made. @Pioneer1, do you have anything to support any of the statement that you've made? I think the relative educational level of those incarcerated, while not perfect, is a decent indicator. It is certainly better than the proof you provided which is zilch.

Yes I agree political correctness has run amok, Americans have started using the term Latinx as opposed to Latino and Latina: it is like referring to someone's gender is an insult! Even the voices of the female voice of Siri and Alexa defaulting to a feminine voice is insulting because this supposedly cast women into subservient roles. I previously described a application I was about to fill where the gender category had at least 10 other options besides male and female -- who thinks up this stuff? But this is different than empathy. The people who think this stuff up dont consider the people they are trying to help. They generally had a personal agenda. Many people from the Latin American community reject the term Latinx and many women don't care one way or the other which gender the voice Siri uses (I wish they would have a Black woman's voice preferably with a southern accent). Cosby will likely go to jail because of the #metoo movement. Honestly, I think after he gave this women $3 million she should not have a case. Cosby is still a degenerate, but the #metoo movement's political correctness claimed Cosby as a victim. This #MeToo "movement" has seemingly blown over as we wait around for the next bullshit revenue generating Twitter promoted hashtag to comes along in the meantime, R.I.P. #Occupy, #BlackLivesMatter, #FeeltheBern, #Change

Most people who define themselves as middle class are actually poor. Middle class people can lose their job and continue to live without a change in their life style for at least 6 months. Upper class people don't have to work. They have enough wealth to live without income from some corporation or government entity. Sure, they may choose to work, but they don't have to. This is a very small percentage of the population and they hold the vast majority of the nation's wealth. Most are born into this class. The rest of us are simply poor. Poor people can have middle class values, but still financially poor. I think this is a growing portion of ur population. Similarly upper class people can have low class values. It is not likely that a poor person with low class values will make it into the middle class without engaging in criminal activity. Poor people, with middle class values, aspire to get an education. Unfortunately it is getting harder to make it into the middle class and stay their as an increasing number of us are stuck living paycheck to paycheck without health insurance or decent benefits. The disenfranchisement of the middle class is why 45 was elected... indeed it was why Obama was elected.

We have to look at the nature of the training. As I said there are people who have college educations but are the proverbial "educated fools." The Nazi SS were highly training, but were evil as hell, personally killing many non-Arians. I'm not talking about people who are educated to improve themselves not to d the bidding of others (like police officers and MBAs). Look I'm have not presented data to support my position either -- indeed no one has on either side of this argument has. But @Pioneer1 I'll repose the same question I posed in the other conversation that everyone ignored: Do you think that the percentage of people with a college education, incarcerated for violent crime is higher than the percentage of people in the general populations? I'm pretty sure the answer to this question can be found on the web, but what do you think the answer is and why? I think that the people incarcerated for violent crimes are less educated. Again, the reasons are not black and white. Less educated people, tend to be poorer, are simply more likely to be incarcerated, so the sample is biased. Using the same logic I could easily say Black people are more likely to be violent too. But again I was not saying a lack of education is the cause I'm saying there is a correlation. Perhaps if we look at he reasons for the correlation will find some reasons for it.

@Cynique, do not get me wrong Cosby is a degenerate, but I had not heard the one about sucking the toes of a woman he drugged. Putting myself in the position of the victim (rather than Cosby) helped me understand their situation. I think (and I'm not talking about anyone here) the problem Americans have is their inability to empathize with others, especially Black people and poor people.

LOL! you are a wiley one aren't you. Just confirm that you have not beaten up anyone lately and I'll rest my case.