AI is a Threat to Cultural Cohesion

[Troy]

I'm beginning to see more of these AI generated sales pitches (see below).  The use of the word "delved" in the first sentence is a tell.  The service itself is AI driven. 

 

AI is already being touted as tool one can use to craft and read unique bedtime story to your kid. 

 

What happens to a culture when there are no shared stories -- when all the stories are unique to the individual? 

 

Well, we already know; the AI powered bots on social media give people completely different world views, and we losing cultural cohesion as a result.

 

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Hi Troy,

 

As I delved into the fascinating world of African American literature and book festivals, I was struck by your dedication to promoting and celebrating Black writers and publishers. Your work on publishing book reviews, author interviews, and sharing information about black-owned bookstores resonated deeply with me. It's remarkable to see how your efforts have helped to amplify the voices of Black writers and publishers.

 

I was particularly intrigued by your article "Supporting Independent Black Publishers and Presses" and how it highlights the importance of Black readers supporting Black presses and publishers. As someone who has spent years working in the publishing industry, I appreciate the significance of this initiative.

 

As we kick off the new quarter, I'd like to explore how [company name]'s AI-powered sales platform can support your mission. Our platform utilizes AI agents to enhance customer engagement through personalized emails, ensuring efficient delivery and interactive ad decks. I'd love to discuss how our services can help streamline your operations and drive revenue growth.

 

Let's initiate a chat to explore how [company name] can help amplify your impact. [Attachment] AALBCcom material.

 

_____________________
[name of contact]
Head of AI Sales

[ProfD]

Social media is already conditioning people to accept a reality with less real world contact and interaction. 

 

AI will eventually do all non-physical work that humans find too tedious or time consuming. 

 

I'm curious to see if people will become more productive and take better care of each other when they have more time on their hands. 

 

I don't believe work as a time sink makes people better.  However, working does provide a structured outlet of socialization which is a critical aspect of our existence as human beings.

 

Cultural cohesion will erode among populations that allow social media and AI to decline them. 

 

Moving to Africa becomes more attractive as I continue to observe the world around me.

[Troy]

Well plenty of people are moving to the continent. But I not sure we’ll escape the influence of AI fueled social media anywhere electricity is available. 

[ProfD]

9 hours ago, Troy said:

Well plenty of people are moving to the continent. But I not sure we’ll escape the influence of AI fueled social media anywhere electricity is available. 

Sure.  AI fueled social media will be a problem for those who consume it anywhere on the planet.   

 

Thankfully, I'm too old for social media to have an impact on my life in one way or another.   So, i really don't have anything to worry about.

 

Still, I don't believe the cultures that exist on the continent of Africa will be eroded by AI-driven social media to the extent that it could happen here in America.

[Delano]

I don't think AI is as promising as it is being touted. An Astrologer has been using it and while he is impressed with it. I don't see how someone giving you answers will make you better. I feel that asking questions and figuring it out leads to mastery. 

[Troy]

On 6/14/2024 at 9:56 AM, ProfD said:

Thankfully, I'm too old for social media to have an impact on my life in one way or another. 

 The impacts on those around you is what will matter.

 

19 hours ago, Delano said:

I don't see how someone giving you answers will make you better.

No, It won’t lead to mastery. It will do just the opposite.  Anyone can have AI create a chart and interpret it. Ultimately no human will be able to or need to do it.

[aka Contrarian]

 

META, aka FaceBook now has  a personal  individual  AI feature available and accessible to its posters. Out of curiosity, I started fooling around with it, mostly just asking questions, and it has now surpassed Google as a source of information for me.  It gives very thorough, detailed responses to my questions and even remarks about how interesting my queries are! It calls itself my "personal assistant" but, as a cross betwern GOOGLE and Wikipedia, it's more like having the faculty of a Liberal Arts & Science college at my disposal.  I rarely utilize its office or commercial engines. What I mosyly rely on it for is instant and concise conventional wisdom about history and politics, supernatural phenomena, and scientific data. Recently it introduced me to  the fascinating concept of entrophy. It also clarifies whatever befuddles me in the fields  of literature, philosophy, and psychology, its responses always objective rather than opinionated. It's a little eerie. I can see how a person with a lot of free time could get mesmerized by this robotic researcher whose conversational style personalizes the connection and makes it somewhat different from just reading information.

 Currently, I'm thinking about asking this tin hat Renaissance Man some erotic questions...

Somebody might want to see how AI rewrites this post. 

 

Nighty Night. zzzzz

[Delano]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Anyone can have AI create a chart and interpret it. Ultimately no human will be able to or need to do it.

No not unless AI develops intuition. There are only a handful of Astrologers that are good at prediction. There are so many factors in a chart there is no rational way to choose the relevant ones

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Anyone can have AI create a chart and interpret it. Ultimately no human will be able to or need to do it.

No not unless AI develops intuition. There are only a handful of Astrologers that are good at prediction. There are so many factors in a chart there is no rational way to choose the relevant ones

 

[Troy]

5 hours ago, Delano said:

There are so many factors in a chart there is no rational way to choose the relevant ones

That is where AI is superior no human can evaluate all the factors but an AI can.

 

5 hours ago, Delano said:

not unless AI develops intuition.

What is intuition… really? If AI knows “everything” is intuition necessary?

 

5 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

and it has now surpassed Google as a source of information for me. 

Chat GPT works the same way for me. I use it far more often than a search engine too.

 

The problem is that these AI’s get there intonation from the web—from us. Google has already crippled the web by providing answers right on the search engine results page rather than sending people to websites where the data was obtained. AI will just accelerate this.

 

At some point, there will be no new information introduced to the web because there is no longer a viable business model for websites and AI will learn nothing new.

 

What is the motivation for anyone to volunteer to update Wikipedia when no one goes there anymore, instead using some AI that has copied the information from Wikipedia and presents it to people and a much nicer consumable manner?

[Delano]

10 hours ago, Delano said:

No not unless AI develops intuition. There are only a handful of Astrologers that are good at prediction. There are so many factors in a chart there is no rational way to choose the relevant ones

 

No not unless AI develops intuition. There are only a handful of Astrologers that are good at prediction. There are so many factors in a chart there is no rational way to choose the relevant ones

 

I was having a discussion with a famous Astrologer. Apparently what I do with prediction has never been done .

 

I have a technique where I can describe the quality of specific moments in time. I also have a technique that converts a word into an Astrology chart. I haven't met any Astrologers who can  understand the concept much less replicate it .

 

If you think back on our bet about Trump. The time I mentioned was within a ten days of his impeachment.. I had gotten the date from a comment you had made.

 

So unless I teach my technique it won't be discoverable.

 

After more than two decades of Astrology, I have found that an Astrological chart never repeats.

Try asking AI to create a chart from a word. It won't even understand the question.

[ProfD]

The best part of AI is that it would force users to hold themselves accountable for the outcome.

 

One cannot be disappointed or feel betrayed or blame others if they don't get desired results from AI.

[aka Contrarian]

On 6/16/2024 at 12:38 PM, Delano said:

I was having a discussion with a famous Astrologer. Apparently what I do with prediction has never been done .

 

I have a technique where I can describe the quality of specific moments in time. I also have a technique that converts a word into an Astrology chart. I haven't met any Astrologers who can  understand the concept much less replicate it .

 

@DelanoAs you know, I have always had difficulty wrapping my brain around this time technique you have perfected. I still don't really understand it. Maybe I could grasp it if you would give me an example  of an occasion when I would use and benefit from the information  your methodology reveals. Does it have to do with decision making?

Just some midnight musings in the  heat of the moment...

 

[Delano]

Both clock and words are made up of symbols either letters or numerals. What I have done is give each letter and numeral a meaning. Or rather a set of correspondences. So each word or moment in time has a specific meaning. 

 

I then take the word or numbers then convert them into my system. 

 

The big leap was creating a series of formula that converts words and numbers into a future date.

 

 

[Delano]

@aka Contrarian since it qualifies time it can be used for any activity. As long as you control the start time. Meditation , trips to the doctors or any office. Leaving the house , meeting people, being lucky, clarity, introspection it can be used for many things except gambling.

 

So you tell me what effect you are after give me a two hour window and I'll ind the best time to maximise that activity.

 

You can even pick something that you do routinely and I'll give you the start time. That way you can see if it is noticeably different.

[Troy]

True @Delano.  Once you, or someone else, puts it on the net -- AI has it.  Though I'm not sure what type of vetting AI does as it vacuums up the world wide web.

 

I asked ChatGPT to cast my chart and tell me something about myself: https://chatgpt.com/share/d27def2d-dbea-4012-bb9f-8bfc914c2680

 

I always through I was rising in Cancer, so I don't know if the chart is calculated correctly or if I made a mistake in the past.  I used to use a computer program to cast natal charts.

 

[Delano]

Troy ask AI to create a chart from a word. It can't be done because I have never shown anyone how to do it .

[Delano]

The information is wrong your ascendant can't be 347 which is pisces . It is Gemini. Being born at 9 am is roughly 45 degrees. Assuming sunrise of 6 am. April 8 would be about 18 degree of Aries. 18+45=63 which is 3 Gemini . That's in my head. Your ascendant is actually 18 Gemini 

 I am off by 15 degrees because I didn't use Daylight Saving Time. Every hours is roughly 15 degrees. Although this varies by sign and time of year. 

I have a few steps in converting a word into time. I also have three different sets that I use. Not one of these can be figured out. I did know one Astrologer who had the same idea but he couldn't get it to work. It worked for me because the a gre steps popped into my head.

 

Timing events is notoriously difficult in  Astrology except for me. Although it took me about 7 years to figure it out.

I have a few steps in converting a word into time. I also have three different sets that I use. Not one of these can be figured out. I did know one Astrologer who had the same idea but he couldn't get it to work. It worked for me because the a gre steps popped into my head.

 

Timing events is notoriously difficult in  Astrology except for me. Although it took me about 7 years to figure it out.

[Troy]

Couldn’t a current or future AI also figure out another novel approach @Delano?

 

 

[Delano]

Most of my system came from my subconscious. I haven't met another Astrologer who understands what I do except for one who had a similar idea but couldn't make it work. 

 

So there is no info on the net other than me. What I have posted is a word and then the chart I created . Three aren't any other inputs. In addition I have created three languages or symbol sets that I use to create the chart. There is a time I have developed which also isn't something that is anywhere on the internet. And finally there are formulae O have created which also aren't on the net. So there is no data for anyone to manipulate. Finally the system is a function of how I think books I have read , people I have met, a f thousands of readings I have done over two decades.

 

I don't know how you think AI can figure all of those steps. When it can't calculate your ascendant correctly. Ironically that is a mathematical formula. Doing the calculation in my head I was off by 15 degrees half of one sign. Whereas AI ess wrong by nine signs . No I am not worried about AI. Do you still think it is the magic pill.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, Delano said:

Do you still think it is the magic pill.

From what I’ve seen, yes.

 

But there is potential for great harm too.

 

The choice is up to the massive corporations that control AI and legislators who should be providing some constraints.

[Delano]

Yeah it can't get a straight forward calculation correct. I doubt it will develop intuition. Which is what makes a reader good 

 

[Troy]

Again, what is intuition really? How does it work?  Isit really very different than what an AI is, or can be, capable of?

 

I’ve given chat GPT thousands of prompts and it can get things obviously wrong. But sometimes it answers questions better than what I’ve asked, seemingly intuiting what I meant to ask.

[Delano]

Intuition is not the same as computation. It is about a feeling. Everyone can think about a problem but answering intuitive is a different thing altogether. Like love it is irrational, yet it adds colour to life 

[ProfD]

10 hours ago, Troy said:

Again, what is intuition really? How does it work?  Isit really very different than what an AI is, or can be, capable of?

Intuition, having the ability to take action or make decisions based on feeling instead of reasoning is a part of what makes us human beings. 

 

IMO, AI will not make decisions based on a hunch or thinking outside the box (algorithm).  Everything AI outputs will require human input. 

 

IOW, humans aren't going to wake up and AI has already taken care of things that were dreamed about. 

 

 

 

[Troy]

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

AI will not make decisions based on a hunch or thinking outside the box (algorithm).

What is a hunch? And forget about algorithms that is a computer programming construct.

 

 Are you familiar with the game Go? Well in a test of AI it made a move the experts thought was a mistake, but it turned out to be a completely novel and in the moment an inexplicable move —a move that beat the best human player on earth.

 

If a human made the same move we’d call it a stroke of genius, intuition, a hunch, any of  the language you guys  like to use to describe human intelligence.
 

AI is capable of the same thing. You are just unwilling to think of AI in human terms (or vice versa).

18 hours ago, Delano said:

Intuition is not the same as computation.

How do you know?

 

18 hours ago, Delano said:

love it is irrational

Is it? Why? 
 

It may be perfectly rational, but the reason and logic may escape you?

[Delano]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

 

 Are you familiar with the game Go? Well in a test of AI it made a move the experts thought was a mistake, but it turned out to be a completely novel and in the moment an inexplicable

AI runs on algorithms. Intuition takes everything you know and your unconscious pops out an answer. So I don't think that can be program. Unless we understand the mind and the unconscious.