Near. Assassination. Of. Trump.

[harry brown]

Politicians ,,Condemning.  The. Assassination. Attempt. On. Trump ...This.  Country.  Religion.  Is. Guns. .....This. Country. Worship.  Guns .  This. Country.  Worship. Violence. ,Terrorism. .Christianity.  Is. ,About. Terrorism.  ...Republicans.  Supported. The. White. ,Christian.   Terrorist. Attack. January. 6_ 3. Years. Ago. .....All. The. ,,Politicians. Support. Black. Street. Gang. Terrorism. In. Black. Inner,,,City. Communities. ..Black. Politicians. Cate. More. About. ,,,Israel. ,Ukraine. ,Palestine. Peop!e ,. ,Than. Their. ,Own. People. .....,Street. Gang. Violence. Genocide. Black. Communities. Every. ,Week.. Black. Politicians. ,NAACP ,,Churches. ,Black. Lives. Matter ,,Not. Trying. To. Find. Out. Who. Is. Dumping. Out. Drugs. And. Guns ,,In. Inner. City. Communities. ..Guns. ,Violence.  ,Is. This. Country. ,,Religion.  ,Culture. ......KLAN. Police. ,,Neo. Nazi. In. The. Military ,,Coast. Guard. ,National.  Guard. .........

[Troy]

Unfortunately, ours is a violent gun culture.

[ProfD]

Guns don't become deadly until they are in the hands of someone on a mission to take lives and/or do damage.

[Delano]

On a different note. I wonder if this will effect foreign leaders visiting the US. Since even presidential candidates aren't immune to gun violence.

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Delano said:

On a different note. I wonder if this will effect foreign leaders visiting the US. Since even presidential candidates aren't immune to gun violence.

IMO, absolutely not.  They will come to show up with hat in hang begging for money. 

 

The number of assassination attempts against a POTUS on US soil are extremely low.  The  last attempt was 40 years ago.

[Troy]

40 years between assassination attempts is a low bar for a so-called civilized society. Not to mention the fact that several were actually killed while holding the office!

The Brits have much more stringent gun laws have had the equivalent of a president for more than 1/2 a century longer. And only has had one Prime Minister assassinated and that was 200 years ago!

 

@ProfD of course you are right, guns, in and of themselves, not dangerous. But the fact that a 20 year-old kid can get a AK-47 makes no sense. The gun has no other purpose than to kill humans. 

 

You have to agree that  our lax gun laws directly leads to more guns in the hands of the public, more shootings, and more needless death.
 

I heard on the news today that the state where the Republican convention is being held is an open carry state you can walk the streets with an AK slung across your shoulder — legally. How many armed people do you think they are gonna allow into the convention? They all hypocrites.

[ProfD]

43 minutes ago, Troy said:

40 years between assassination attempts is a low bar for a so-called civilized society. Not to mention the fact that several were actually killed while holding the office!

Civilized but stratified in several ways.

 

Last US POTUS assassinated was JFK Jr. in 1963.  More than a half-century ago is pretty good in a civilized but divided country.  

43 minutes ago, Troy said:

The Brits have much more stringent gun laws have had the equivalent of a president for more than 1/2 a century longer. And only has had one Prime Minister assassinated and that was 200 years ago!

The Brits don't have the *problems* as America.

43 minutes ago, Troy said:

@ProfD of course you are right, guns, in and of themselves, not dangerous. But the fact that a 20 year-old kid can get a AK-47 makes no sense. The gun has no other purpose than to kill humans. 

 

You have to agree that  our lax gun laws directly leads to more guns in the hands of the public, more shootings, and more needless death.

By design, US gun laws make it easier for citizens living in certain places to obtain firearms.

43 minutes ago, Troy said:

I heard on the news today that the state where the Republican convention is being held is an open carry state you can walk the streets with an AK slung across your shoulder — legally.

Yep. Wisconsin state gun law is the reason Kyle Rittenhouse is a free murderer today.

54 minutes ago, Troy said:

How many armed people do you think they are gonna allow into the convention?

In light of recent events, RNC (Republican National Convention) attendees know they'll have to leave firearms outside in their vehicles.

[Troy]

On 7/15/2024 at 9:32 PM, ProfD said:

The Brits don't have the *problems* as America.

That could be easily argued.

 

On 7/15/2024 at 9:32 PM, ProfD said:

More than a half-century ago is pretty good in a civilized but divided country.  

 

Remember, There was an attempt on Reagan’s life.

 

On 7/15/2024 at 9:32 PM, ProfD said:

they'll have to leave firearms outside in their vehicles

Of course, because people and guns are a deadly mix.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

That could be easily argued.

The Brits don't have to deal with repercussions of slavery, institutionalized racism and gun violence to the same degree as the US.

2 hours ago, Troy said:

Remember, There was an attempt on Reagan’s life.

The attempt on Reagan's life was 41 years ago. 

 

I was referring to the assassination of a POTUS being over 50 years ago.

 

2 hours ago, Troy said:

Of course, because people and guns are a deadly mix.

Especially in a place where there is despair, greed, grievance, hate and mental health issues to name a few.

[ProfD]

Apparently, the Secret Service thought the white guy up on the roof with an AR-15 was also law enforcement. Totally makes sense. Nevermind the coordination that takes place during these events.

[Pioneer1]

Whenever a major MAN MADE incident takes place in the world, one of the first questions we should ask ourselves is WHO BENEFITS from it?
 

[ProfD]

On 7/20/2024 at 2:38 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Whenever a major MAN MADE incident takes place in the world, one of the first questions we should ask ourselves is WHO BENEFITS from it?
 

D8mn good question. As we can see from the latest event, former POTUS is surging in certain polls with a piece of gauze on his ear.

[Troy]

On 7/18/2024 at 2:02 PM, ProfD said:

The Brits don't have to deal with repercussions of slavery, institutionalized racism....

 

What?!   The reason for less Bristish gun violence is lack of guns. American's got slavery and institutional racism from he Brits.

 

A conspiracy theory requires the cooperation of the secret service -- seems highly unlikely.  But if this is true it is already a wrap...  

[ProfD]

5 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

What?!   The reason for less Bristish gun violence is lack of guns. American's got slavery and institutional racism from he Brits.

The Brits don't need as many guns As Americans because white folks there don't threatened by non-whites. 

 

British slavery was not as brutal as America nor did it last as long.

 

The British population is 83% white.  Their institutional racism is very different from the Unites States of America.  They don't owe non-white folks anything. 

 

British racism didn't lead to  t lead to Black Codes, Jim Crow, sun down towns, lynchings, church bombings, marches and protests, Black freedom fighters and activists, Civil Rights movement, Affirmative Action, Reparations, etc.

 

Black folks and non-whites in general cannot stake a claim in building Great Britain or any other predominantly white country. 

 

Otherwise, AfroAmericans shed blood, sweat and tears for 400+ years building the United State of America. 

[Troy]

I did not check @ProfD but I'm certain British slavery predates America's and probably lasted longer. 

 

It is hard for me to believe that you believe that there is less gun violence in the UK because they are less racist.   Have you been to the UK or any former British colony -- the Brits were the most brutal, racist people the Planet has ever seen -- they invented racism; Americans were just following the leader.

 

Sure, the Brits got their act together on slavery and guns laws before America, but the legacy of their raced based barbarism is evident around the world to this day. 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

I did not check @ProfD but I'm certain British slavery predates America's and probably lasted longer. 

British slavery predates America but it wasn't nearly as barbaric and brutal nor did it last 400 years. 

3 hours ago, Troy said:

It is hard for me to believe that you believe that there is less gun violence in the UK because they are less racist. 

I believe there is less gun violence in the UK and other countries that are more homogeneous.

 

Those countries have their own brand of racism but its different from the US.

3 hours ago, Troy said:

 -- the Brits were the most brutal, racist people the Planet has ever seen -- they invented racism; Americans were just following the leader

 

Sure, the Brits got their act together on slavery and guns laws before America, but the legacy of their raced based barbarism is evident around the world to this day. 

 The Brits raped and pillaged weaker countries through colonization moreso than by slavery.

 

The after effects of colonization is what we still  see to this day. Black azz folks speaking Queen's English and French.

[Troy]

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

nor did it last 400 years

What were those years Prof?

 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

less gun violence in the UK and other countries that are more homogeneous.

If homogeneity fosters less gun violence, how do you explain the gun violence and black communities all over the country?
 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

Queen's English and French.

Don’t forget Spanish and Portuguese. If you speak two of these languages, you can probably talk to 90% black people on earth.

[ProfD]

4 minutes ago, Troy said:

What were those years Prof?

Brotha Troy, you already know history. 

 

The transatlantic slave trade lasted from the 15th - 19th century.

4 minutes ago, Troy said:

If homogeneity fosters less gun violence, how do you explain the gun violence and black communities all over the country?

Gun violence in the black community is by-product of racism white supremacy. Drugs, guns, poverty and despair is a mean gumbo.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Brotha Troy, you already know history. 

 

Maybe not. What year were the first enslaved African brought to this continent.  Columbus did not "discover" America until the end of the 15th century. Nikole Hannah-Jones says the first enslaved African were brought here in 1619 (the early 17th century.  At any rate, I know the brits ended slaveery before America, but I'd be willing to bet they started before us too (I have not yet looked this up.

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Gun violence in the black community is by-product of racism white supremacy

 

OK. Then how do you explain white-on-white gun violence.  Virtually all of the mass shooting incidents are white boys shooting other white people? 

[ProfD]

55 minutes ago, Troy said:

What year were the first enslaved African brought to this continent.  Columbus did not "discover" America until the end of the 15th century.

Black folks were already in America before the slave trade and before Columbus sailed to it.

55 minutes ago, Troy said:

I know the brits ended slaveery before America, but I'd be willing to bet they started before us too (I have not yet looked this up.

The  Brits did not practice slavery in the same way as America. 

55 minutes ago, Troy said:

OK. Then how do you explain white-on-white gun violence.  Virtually all of the mass shooting incidents are white boys shooting other white people? 

Mental health issues and grievance fuel violence.

[Troy]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Mental health issues and grievance fuel violence

 

OK I guess we will have to agree to disagree that the widespread proliferation of guns and our gun culture has nothing to do with our high rates of gun violence 

 

 

[ProfD]

12 minutes ago, Troy said:

OK I guess we will have to agree to disagree that the widespread proliferation of guns and our gun culture has nothing to do with our high rates of gun violence 

I think we can agree that easier access to guns enables folks to use them to settle their differences and/or grievances. 

 

However, I believe if it wasn't guns the same folks would use any weapon available to achieve their end. 

 

Again, guns do nothing until somwone pulls the trigger. Same goes for any weapon. There's a mentality behind it.

 

[Troy]

Nah guns are a little different. Any punk can pull out a gun and shoot someone. These weapons cause more violence, not less.
 

the white boy that shot up all those people in Las Vegas a few years ago could not have used any other weapon to accomplish the same level of murder and mayhem.

 

Those military style assault weapons should never have been sold and marketed to civilians. There is no rational reason for anyone to own one of those things. everyone I know who owns one justifies it by saying “I gotta protect my family man.”  From what?

[ProfD]

11 hours ago, Troy said:

Nah guns are a little different. Any punk can pull out a gun and shoot someone. These weapons cause more violence, not less.
 

the white boy that shot up all those people in Las Vegas a few years ago could not have used any other weapon to accomplish the same level of murder and mayhem.

 

Those military style assault weapons should never have been sold and marketed to civilians. There is no rational reason for anyone to own one of those things. everyone I know who owns one justifies it by saying “I gotta protect my family man.”  From what?

True.  Guns are the most effective weapon in causing a lot a damage especially at a distance.  It doesn't take much to point and squeeze.  Any punk can do it.

 

However, the proliferation of guns in America especially military style weaponry has been authorized and provided to white folks to protect themselves in the event of a [insert here] war.

 

That is something Black folks refuse to understand and/or accept.  White folks in America are armed beyond belief to protect themselves from us. 

 

White folks use hunting as an excuse for 1) target practice and 2) indiscriminate killing.  As I've mentioned before, a great place to hang out is the gun range. 

 

The gun range is an eye-opener because it allows one to see 1) what kind of weapons white folks own and 2) the age at which they start training their offspring and 3) their proficiency at hitting targets.

 

Of course, the rural areas and backwoods of America provide plenty open space for free target practice. Again, the munitions these people have is mind-boggling.  Firearms is just a part of it.

 

The downside to having more guns per person here in America than any other part of the world is that folks with mental health issues and other forms of grievance can get their hands on guns too. 

[Troy]

There are definitely people stock piling guns. I know several -- all of them Black.  None of them are hunters.

 

It is a messed up that we live in a country where so many people feel the need to stockpile weapons.

 

They make you feel like you are the fool...

 

[ProfD]

21 minutes ago, Troy said:

There are definitely people stock piling guns. I know several -- all of them Black.  None of them are hunters.

They are very wise to do so.  Staying ready means one doesn't have to get ready.

21 minutes ago, Troy said:

It is a messed up that we live in a country where so many people feel the need to stockpile weapons.

Unfortunately, America's original sin and the lingering effects of it has put us into this position.  Until the original sin is properly redressed...it is what it is.

 

21 minutes ago, Troy said:

They make you feel like you are the fool...

Absolutely not.  A clean record and cash allows one to get right in the mix.

[Troy]

I came close to buying a gun a couple of times the rifles are amazing accurate and easy to shoot. I don’t see how  they are any good for home or personal protection — unless it is some Tulsa race massacre situation.

 

 You don’t need a clean record to get a gun you can just buy one from someone who does, though that is not legal

[ProfD]

A shotgun is the best for home defense because the sound of cocking it is an alarm before firing a shot.

 

A small caliber handgun is fine for personal protection. Again, showing it is usually a deterrent. Really knowing how to use it is important. 

 

An illegal firearm leads to other issues especially one has to use it. 

 

Despite the gun violence in America, most folks never have to use their weapons. 

 

Texas is an open carry state. There is a reason they don't have the highest murder rate in the country. It's because so many folks are strapped.

[Troy]

There are many open carry states with much lower murder rates than Texas.

 

 

[ProfD]

8 minutes ago, Troy said:

There are many open carry states with much lower murder rates than Texas.

Exactly.  Which makes the point that guns aren't the whole problem. 

 

It goes back to the mentality and/or circumstances of the person with the gun.

 

People are less like to rob, steal or kill an armed individual. 

 

Criminals and mass shooters usually look for soft targets i.e. unarmed people and unsecured places.  They don't want the smoke.

[Troy]

Sorry @ProfD I meant Non-open carry.

 

 

At any rate, you are more likely to have your open-carried firearm snatched from you that you are to thwart a crime...

 

I checked a few sources, and the majority of American don't have a gun the home. In the NE where I'm from ownership rates are less than 20%. In NJ is it less than 10%. 

 

The places where mass shooting occur are where gun ownership is higher. 

 

I guess you also believe every government should have nukes.

 

 

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Sorry @ProfD I meant Non-open carry.

Surely, there are many non-open carry states with lower murder rates than Texas.  I can think of several reason for it too. 

 

Here's an interesting breakdown:

 

1) 36 states all open carry without a permit or license

2) 9 states require a permit to open carry

3) 4 states and Washington, DC prohibit open carry entirely

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

At any rate, you are more likely to have your open-carried firearm snatched from you that you are to thwart a crime...

Considering the number of states that allow open carry, the data doesn't suggest it.

1 hour ago, Troy said:

The places where mass shooting occur are where gun ownership is higher. 

A mass shooting is defined as an event where 2 or more people are shot. 

 

Several months ago, there was a mass shooting in Maine (upper-most NE corner of the US).

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

I guess you also believe every government should have nukes.

I don't believe any country should have nukes. 

 

I do find it interesting that the United States gets to decide which countries can and cannot have them.

[Troy]

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Considering the number of states that allow open carry, the data doesn't suggest it.

Have you looked at the data or, like me ,are you just saying stuff

 

Looking at the data at a state level is misleading. Municipalities within an estate can vary a great deal Syracuse, New York is nothing like New York City and the south side of Chicago is nothing like Maywood.
 

The vast majority of people in open carry states don’t walk around with their guns and plain display. So that would seem to have little impact on the stats. 
 

Criminals have already backed this into their methodology. 
 

I do know of a story : my buddy’s sister is a New York City police officer or was at the time. some guy came into the beauty salon to rob it while she was getting her hair did.  she pulled out her service revolver and shot him. That story made national news. Because stories like this are exceedingly rare.

[ProfD]

37 minutes ago, Troy said:

Have you looked at the data or, like me ,are you just saying stuff

I do look at data. I don't always feel like citing it.

 

37 minutes ago, Troy said:

I do know of a story : my buddy’s sister is a New York City police officer or was at the time. some guy came into the beauty salon to rob it while she was getting her hair did.  she pulled out her service revolver and shot him. That story made national news. Because stories like this are exceedingly rare.

It actually happens more than reported that a *good* person with a gun neutralizes a *bad* person. 

 

Again, the question remains....*why* do Americans need so many guns.

[Chevdove]

On 7/20/2024 at 2:38 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Whenever a major MAN MADE incident takes place in the world, one of the first questions we should ask ourselves is WHO BENEFITS from it?

 

 

On 7/21/2024 at 11:17 PM, ProfD said:

D8mn good question. As we can see from the latest event, former POTUS is surging in certain polls with a piece of gauze on his ear.

 

 

 

I don't know what to think!

I hear some people say that it was staged and others say, no way because it was a head shot.

It's crazy though. 

The guy was 20 years old.

Why would someone that young even care about shooting Trump? 

 

Any whoo, Hey all!

Been very busy, but I hope to be back into the community real soon.

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 7/14/2024 at 8:54 PM, Troy said:

Unfortunately, ours is a violent gun culture.

 

Oh yes!

 

And on this very point is the unbelievable murder of Sonya Massey!!!

 

Why was that man allowed to even be employed as a police when there were several red flags!?

I am so sad about this.

I just read that the police initially lied and said to her family that she was killed by a neighbor,

Her son said that he was told false stories.

I am so relieved though, that the other police man turned his camera on because that is the only reason we know the truth!!!

The death of this young mother will be on my heart for a long time. 

 

Why would a man be that evil against a female? I just don't understand. 

 

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

And on this very point is the unbelievable murder of Sonya Massey!!!

Absolutely. In fact, the murder of Sonya Massey deserves a separate thread.

[Pioneer1]

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Absolutely. In fact, the murder of Sonya Massey deserves a separate thread.

Speak of "the devil".....literally, lol.

[Chevdove]

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

Absolutely. In fact, the murder of Sonya Massey deserves a separate thread.

 

Yes. Certainly.

The internet has blown up with this evil murder of this Black mother.

 

 

[Troy]

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Again, the question remains....*why* do Americans need so many guns

 

We don't need any guns.  We have so them because of slick marketing, fearmongering, the NRA, gun lobbyists and so on.  We are a gun culture because it makes gun manufacturers very wealthy.

 

As a result, we have a much more violence.