Degrees of Blackness?

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

It doesn't negate the fact that n8gglets were doing the same dysfunctional sh8t before the music became trashy

 

Correct, but that isn't the point of disagreement.

The initial disagreement was over my assertion that Gangsta Rap ENCOURAGED....not initiated...violence.

 

You and Troy came out of the wood work to disagree with me on this.

 

We all know the not just niggaz but HUMANS IN GENERAL have been killing since recorded history.
Didn't the Bible say Cain SLEW Abel?
NWA doesn't go back that far....lol.

 

My argument isn't that Gangsta Rap or any other music STARTED the foolishness, but that it (along with other factors like weapons, drugs, substances, mental health problems, etc....) helps to MAINTAIN and ENCOURAGE it by making it look cool and glamorous and associating it with young Black culture.
 

 

Troy

 

 Clearly, it reinforces the all the negative stereotypes of Black people.

 

Which is why it's so popular among young White men who consistently over the past 30 years or so have been Gangsta Rap's biggest consumer demographic.

 

White men tend to encourage things that promote negative stereotypes about Black men.
They love things that make THEM feel superior and tend to hate things that make them feel inferior.

 

I've noticed since a teenager that White men at work LOVE the Black thug or fool who is always coming in late and fucking up on the job.  They'll loan him money, smoke weed with him, and keep giving him chance after chance.
But that intelligent and good looking Black man who does his job better than THEY do and has all of the ladies giggling when he comes in the room...they don't like him and figure out ways so that he doesn't last on that job very long.

You come in one day and hear how brutha man was terminated for mopping the floor with too much soap in the bucket, or that he took a bottle of water unauthorized, or any menial reason to raise him up out of there so that he doesn't show White men up and make them look inferior to Black men.

[ProfD]

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Correct, but that isn't the point of disagreement.

The initial disagreement was over my assertion that Gangsta Rap ENCOURAGED....not initiated...violence.

 

You and Troy came out of the wood work to disagree with me on this.

I still don't believe Gangsta Rap music encourages violence any more or less than movies.

 

In fact, crap, er, Trap music is more popular than Gangsta Rap.

 

I don't readily have the murder rate data available to prove or disprove music or movies is a factor though.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

I still don't believe Gangsta Rap music encourages violence any more or less than movies.

Lol...you might be moving the goal posts just a little.

You went from Gangsta Rap NOT encouraging or being responsible for any violence in the hood, to focusing on how it compares with movies in terms of encouraging violence.

 

 

In fact, crap, er, Trap music is more popular than Gangsta Rap.

 

I personally consider Trap and Drill music part of the Gangsta Rap genre.

It comes from a different generation than the original West Coast Gangsta Rap of NWA or Too Short that many people grew up with, but it's still Rapping about violence and criminal behavior .

 

"Gangsta Shit".
 
 

[ProfD]

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Lol...you might be moving the goal posts just a little.

You went from Gangsta Rap NOT encouraging or being responsible for any violence in the hood, to focusing on how it compares with movies in terms of encouraging violence.

Not moving goalposts.

 

I don't believe music or movies encourages violence.

 

I think some n8gglets are just dysfunctional. They don't need any excuse or motivation to be stupid. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I personally consider Trap and Drill music part of the Gangsta Rap genre.

It comes from a different generation than the original West Coast Gangsta Rap of NWA or Too Short that many people grew up with, but it's still Rapping about violence and criminal behavior .

 

"Gangsta Shit".

Correct. It's definitely the same sh8t. As NF Jr. calls it...trashy.

 

To be fair...some of the beats bump like a mf'er. Just gotta ignore the dumb azz lyrics.

[frankster]

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

 

I agree.  

As is expected by the tone of your comments

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

I hate to say it but Black people are a very surface level people so its not hard to figure out the reason for all the anger and the violence.

Most people in general are surface level.

Yes many black individuals are angry and some are violent....not any more than white people.

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

 

I have always said the cause boils down to this one thing and that it, black people think other black people are "black and ugly".

Yes...in too many cases this is still true.

As Malcolm asks "who taught you to hate yourself" ?

As an Answer to 400 yrs of indoctrination that Black is inherently ugly by White Racism....

We responded with the "Black is Beautiful Movement" in the 1960

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

This is the cause of tribalism, disapora wars, gang violence, all the name calling etc. 

No...that is not directly responsible for "tribalism diaspora wars gang violence and name calling"... That more affects personal and interpersonal relationships directly.

"tribalism diaspora wars gang violence and name calling"....are more directly affected by Poverty Unfair Trade Interventionism Policy and Benign Neglect

 

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

 

Even counter racist when I used to follow that group (I stopped once I realized they were grifting) hate black people with a vengeance.

Please explain more?

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

They treat Neely Fuller like he is the messiah but I understand why since hes a white man with black ancestry that calls himself black because someone else called him black as an insult once. He pretty much lives as a white man and out lived everyone else.

That's a heavy accusation of a respected member of the Black Movement and Community...

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

The people that follow counter racist science dont allow any conversation beyond what neely fuller said, they just keep repeating what he says as a response. I believe this is because if any dialogue that occurs and exposes the flaws of counter racist science, black people would be stuck with all the black and ugly people which is what they dont want.

What are referring to as "Counter Racist Science"?

And what role does Neely Fuller's philosophy play?

In particular which quote of Neely Fuller's most encapsulate this Ideology?

 

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

I have spoken about this with others who used to follow NFJ in 2010. For this reason, i need to know a black persons intentions before I let them in my group so to speak.

That is reasonable....

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

The most prolific counter racist were either gay with a fetish for non black men or had children with white people and now have fully white grandchildren (hint hint). 

Aren't these the (prolific counter racist)people most in need of our help.

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

 

The only way to fix this is to become very wealthy and start discriminating meaning like white people, avoid blacks who have a white or non black spouse, dont compliment their children, withhold information from them and dont come to their rescue. Its easier to whitelist people vs blacklist them. 

Sounds like you spreading hate and exclusionism....xenophobia and or nationalism - racism

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

 

It may be too late though. 

Maybe too late for some.

[Laydee Gaga]

On 10/27/2024 at 7:34 AM, frankster said:

As is expected by the tone of your comments

 

Most people in general are surface level.

Yes many black individuals are angry and some are violent....not any more than white people.

 

Yes...in too many cases this is still true.

As Malcolm asks "who taught you to hate yourself" ?

As an Answer to 400 yrs of indoctrination that Black is inherently ugly by White Racism....

We responded with the "Black is Beautiful Movement" in the 1960

 

No...that is not directly responsible for "tribalism diaspora wars gang violence and name calling"... That more affects personal and interpersonal relationships directly.

"tribalism diaspora wars gang violence and name calling"....are more directly affected by Poverty Unfair Trade Interventionism Policy and Benign Neglect

 

 

Please explain more?

 

That's a heavy accusation of a respected member of the Black Movement and Community...

 

What are referring to as "Counter Racist Science"?

And what role does Neely Fuller's philosophy play?

In particular which quote of Neely Fuller's most encapsulate this Ideology?

 

 

That is reasonable....

 

Aren't these the (prolific counter racist)people most in need of our help.

 

Sounds like you spreading hate and exclusionism....xenophobia and or nationalism - racism

 

Maybe too late for some.

 

To sum it up, counter racist do not want to be stuck with other Black people. 

 

For the rest of your points, I dont agree. Poverty doesnt cause people to harm other people violently. Black is beautiful movement was cap since it barely lasted. 

 

Again, as I suspected, you dont want to be stuck with other black people so sure, I would love to waste my time and life helping a so called counter racist with biracial children and white grandchildren. Thats a great way to spend my life. 

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Laydee Gaga said:

To sum it up, counter racist do not want to be stuck with other Black people. 

You were a part of this "counter racist" group?

 

1 hour ago, Laydee Gaga said:

For the rest of your points, I dont agree.

Cool

 

1 hour ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Poverty doesnt cause people to harm other people violently.

The results are clear. After the unconditional payments began, there was “a change in violent crime that amounts to 350 fewer violent crimes per 100,000 people compared to other towns.” Dauphin’s violent crime levels averaged 600 per 100,000 people so “[t]he magnitude of the effect is quite large.” Further, the total number of crimes dropped “to 1,400 fewer total crimes per 100,000 people” compared to an overall crime rate that “averaged about 8,000 per 100,000 people.” There was also a substantial drop in property crimes. 

https://www.okjusticereform.org/blog/how-poverty-drives-violent-crime

 

 

According to Aristotle it does he is known to have said...."Poverty is the parent of Revolution and Crime"

Worst poverty is also being presently criminalize.

The Poor are incapable of committing white collar crimes....crimes of violence as is the case with most crimes is one of opportunity.

 

1 hour ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Black is beautiful movement was cap since it barely lasted. 

It is still on going as the Natural Hair Movement etc...

 

1 hour ago, Laydee Gaga said:

 

Again, as I suspected, you dont want to be stuck with other black people so sure,

I respect all peoples regardless of race or color..

 

1 hour ago, Laydee Gaga said:

I would love to waste my time and life helping a so called counter racist with biracial children and white grandchildren. Thats a great way to spend my life. 

They are people too....with human foibles

[Laydee Gaga]

31 minutes ago, frankster said:

You were a part of this "counter racist" group?

 

Cool

 

The results are clear. After the unconditional payments began, there was “a change in violent crime that amounts to 350 fewer violent crimes per 100,000 people compared to other towns.” Dauphin’s violent crime levels averaged 600 per 100,000 people so “[t]he magnitude of the effect is quite large.” Further, the total number of crimes dropped “to 1,400 fewer total crimes per 100,000 people” compared to an overall crime rate that “averaged about 8,000 per 100,000 people.” There was also a substantial drop in property crimes. 

https://www.okjusticereform.org/blog/how-poverty-drives-violent-crime

 

 

According to Aristotle it does he is known to have said...."Poverty is the parent of Revolution and Crime"

Worst poverty is also being presently criminalize.

The Poor are incapable of committing white collar crimes....crimes of violence as is the case with most crimes is one of opportunity.

 

It is still on going as the Natural Hair Movement etc...

 

I respect all peoples regardless of race or color..

 

They are people too....with human foibles

The same natural hair movement dominated by mixed race women and the sub category of natural hair black women with biracial children?

 

Appalachia doesnt have the same amount of violent crime as Memphis. Shrugs. Its not poverty

Long hair care forum and any any natural hair forums were filled with BW who had mixed children and white husbands/baby daddies. Thats not a coincidence. 

I left counter racism when I realized most use it as a cop out to be lazy and hide their own self hate. 

[frankster]

7 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

The same natural hair movement dominated by mixed race women and the sub category of natural hair black women with biracial children?

Yes....one drop rule - they black.

 

7 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Appalachia doesnt have the same amount of violent crime as Memphis. Shrugs.

No two places have the same amount or type  of crime

 

7 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Its not poverty

Its not Only Poverty.....but poverty is one of the main elements of crime - socio-economics.

 

 

[frankster]

8 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Long hair care forum and any any natural hair forums were filled with BW who had mixed children and white husbands/baby daddies. Thats not a coincidence. 

You think we are going to uproot 400 yrs of indoctrination in a decade....From Tignon Laws to the Crown Act

It is a nuance issue  - Having to do with Racism Texturism Colorism and Featurism....so it is ongoing

A luta Continua - the struggle continues

 

 

How Black women have been empowered to wear their natural hair during the pandemic | Nightline

 

8 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

I left counter racism when I realized most use it as a cop out to be lazy and hide their own self hate. 

 

Self Hate in anyone  regardless of Race is an indication of Poor Sel-Image and is considered a mild mental disorder or body dismorphia.....

People displaying these symptoms are in need of help whether they know it or not.

[Pioneer1]

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

 

I agree.  

 

I hate to say it but Black people are a very surface level people so its not hard to figure out the reason for all the anger and the violence. I have always said the cause boils down to this one thing and that it, black people think other black people are "black and ugly". This is the cause of tribalism, disapora wars, gang violence, all the name calling etc. 

 

Even counter racist when I used to follow that group (I stopped once I realized they were grifting) hate black people with a vengeance. They treat Neely Fuller like he is the messiah but I understand why since hes a white man with black ancestry that calls himself black because someone else called him black as an insult once. He pretty much lives as a white man and out lived everyone else. The people that follow counter racist science dont allow any conversation beyond what neely fuller said, they just keep repeating what he says as a response. I believe this is because if any dialogue that occurs and exposes the flaws of counter racist science, black people would be stuck with all the black and ugly people which is what they dont want. I have spoken about this with others who used to follow NFJ in 2010. For this reason, i need to know a black persons intentions before I let them in my group so to speak. The most prolific counter racist were either gay with a fetish for non black men or had children with white people and now have fully white grandchildren (hint hint). 

 

The only way to fix this is to become very wealthy and start discriminating meaning like white people, avoid blacks who have a white or non black spouse, dont compliment their children, withhold information from them and dont come to their rescue. Its easier to whitelist people vs blacklist them. 

 

It may be too late though. 

Interesting observations.
I'm not sure how I missed this post!

I've been saying for a long time that decent intelligent AfroAmericans need to separate ourselves...literally...from the thugghis and ratchet degenerate elements in our community.

It's the INTELLIGENT thing to do.

This is America and people have the right to be ratchet and degenerate if they want to.
You can't scold them or tell them not to no matter how much harm they're doing to the IMAGE or ETHIC of the community.
The only time they can be stopped is if they do something harmful or illegal, but as far as just being trashing and degenerate and disgracing the image of AfroAmericans....that's legal and will be allowed by law.

For the most part we don't make the laws to make their behavior illegal NOR do we own jails to put them in, so one of the best options...if we don't want to live around people like that OR put up with the racism from Whites and other groups...is to separate and form our own communities; like the Jews do.

Have laws, rules, and guidelines for living INSIDE those private communities and if they aren't respected then you're put out.
As simple as that.

[Chevdove]

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

They treat Neely Fuller like he is the messiah but I understand why since hes a white man with black ancestry that calls himself black because someone else called him black as an insult once. He pretty much lives as a white man and out lived everyone else. The people that follow counter racist science dont allow any conversation beyond what neely fuller said, they just keep repeating what he says as a response.

 

 

WOW!

 

I once googled to try to learn more about the huge support of Neely Fuller and found nothing.

No. bio of him that I could find. I wondered who his parents were and where he was born, grew up, etc. and I 

found nothing on wikipedia or anywhere. So, this information is a shock to me. I've seen only a few pictures of him

and saw that he did look White, but that did not mean anything to me, as there are many 'Black people' that may look white but are from our Black world. So, after a while, i just left off of trying to find out why so many Black 'Knowledge of self' people seems to swear by everything he says. I still embrace the message though, but I wondered about his background. So this post is insightful! 

 

 

 

 

[Troy]

Did you look here @Chevdove?

https://aalbc.com/authors/Neely+Fuller%2C+Jr.
 

[Chevdove]

39 minutes ago, Troy said:

Did you look here @Chevdove?

https://aalbc.com/authors/Neely+Fuller%2C+Jr.

 

I've seen that information and heard him on brief videos.

He's powerful!

 

But I still wonder why there is no public biography about him such as on wikipedia.

Who were his parents? What is his background as far as where he was born, grew up and went to school?

 

 

[Troy]

@Chevdove as quiet as it is kept not everything can be found on the worldwide web. I find that conscious black stuff has been increasingly difficult to find given the way googles search engine, and social media algorithms work today.

 

Might have to dig a bit deeper maybe he’s been written about in the book somewhere. I’ll be surprised if he still speaking in public given he’s almost 100 years old.

 

@Pioneer1 can probably give you some information on his background. 
 

In the meantime, here is some background information provided by

 

ChatGPT (take it with the grain of salt) 

Neely Fuller Jr. was born in 1929 in Muskogee, Oklahoma, during a time when racial segregation and discrimination were deeply entrenched in American society, especially in the South. Growing up in this environment significantly shaped Fuller’s awareness of racial issues and influenced his lifelong work in counter-racism theory. His early education took place within the segregated school system of Oklahoma, which provided a firsthand experience of the racial disparities that would later inform his life’s work.

 

After completing high school, Fuller joined the U.S. military, serving during the Korean War era. His experiences in the armed forces, where he encountered a diverse array of people from various racial and ethnic backgrounds, further deepened his understanding of systemic racism and the dynamics of power and control. It was during his time in the military that Fuller began formulating his theories on white supremacy as a global system affecting all areas of people activity.

 

Though not formally educated in academia beyond his early schooling, Fuller dedicated his life to self-education, research, and personal inquiry, which he channels into his writings and lectures. His primary work, The United Independent Compensatory Code/System/Concept, remains a seminal text, and Fuller is regarded as a crucial voice in the discussion of race relations and counter-racism, advocating for individuals to adopt a structured approach to dismantling racism at every level of society.

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

 

Who were his parents? What is his background as far as where he was born, grew up and went to school?

 

He was born in 1929 and grew up in a small town in  Oklahoma.
From what he said, his father (Neely Fuller Sr.) owned a hotel and restaurant in that town.
 

He went to school and graduated from high school from what I understand.
 

There is much much more to his life but that answers the questions you asked.

That man has done a little bit of almost everything in his life...including sitting on a panel with Malcolm X.

 

That bio that Troy provided reads like a pretty accurate depiction based on what he's told his audience at various times.
But it still leaves out many many more details.

The thing is.....
Neely Fuller Jr speaks a lot of truth....practical truth that you can see in real life and he also gives practical advice that you can use and it actually WORKS in real life.

 

In other words...he's effective and he teaches YOU how to be effective.
I've used a lot of his advice in my real life and it WORKS for real.
 

Because of this, ofcourse Google and other search engines that are primarily controlled by Caucasians will blacklist and (I forgot the term used for it -when you suppress content or push it to the back and bottom so that when you search for it you have to scroll through pages and pages of links and sites just to find it??) his material and his very name.

Most people know more about his STUDENT....Dr. Frances Cress Welsing....than HIM, and he taught her about the science and sociology of Racism!

 

Check out this Youtube channel of his latest interviews and start listening to random videos and I guarantee you it will change the way you look at the world:

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfRWS 

Keep in mind that the man speaking (Mr. Fuller) is between 92 and 95 years of age!!!... depending on the date of those videos you're listening to.

 

[Chevdove]

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

He was born in 1929 and grew up in a small town in  Oklahoma.
From what he said, his father (Neely Fuller Sr.) owned a hotel and restaurant in that town.
 

He went to school and graduated from high school from what I understand.
 

There is much much more to his life but that answers the questions you asked.

 

Thank you @Pioneer1

 

And, I have listen to some of the videos, but now that you've posted a cache of them, I look forward to going through them again because I think he is awesome.

 

But again, I still want to know more about his personal challenges that led him to be the kind of person that he is.

 

I think that is crucial. 

 

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because of this, ofcourse Google and other search engines that are primarily controlled by Caucasians will blacklist and (I forgot the term used for it -when you suppress content or push it to the back and bottom so that when you search for it you have to scroll through pages and pages of links and sites just to find it??) his material and his very name.

 

yes. absolutely.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

In keeping with the actual THEME of this thread:  Degrees of Blackness.

How "Black" is Neely Fuller Jr. ????

I think Laydee Gaga mentioned that he didn't look Black or that he was basically a White man with a little bit of Black in him...lol.

I "could" agree with those assessments and I wouldn't argue them; but I would say, he doesn't look like an actual White man to me.
He looks mixed and definitely leaning toward the White side.


However I and many other AfroAmericans have grown up seeing people in our family lineage who looked like him but were "accepted" as being Black.

He looks a little like and sounds even more like my Grandfather.
Deep voice with a strong Southern AfroAmerican dialect.

Although I wouldn't call him Black, I would definitely call him an AfroAmerican....part of our ethnic group.
 

[Chevdove]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

However I and many other AfroAmericans have grown up seeing people in our family lineage who looked like him but were "accepted" as being Black.

 

 

Because IMO, it's also culture too, that has a lot to do with identity.

 

[ProfD]

On 11/1/2024 at 4:47 PM, Chevdove said:

But again, I still want to know more about his personal challenges that led him to be the kind of person that he is.

 

I think that is crucial. 

Good luck with that only because part of what he teaches is that it's all about the code and not about him. He's just the messenger.

 

Nation of Islam founder Wallace Fard Muhammad is believed to be a white man of  Arabian or Pakistani descent.

 

Similarly, W.F. Muhammad disappeared after he dropped Islamic knowledge on the honorable Elijah Muhammad. 

 

Some figures don't want us to know much about them so there's no confusion in the message. 

[umbrarchist]

Somebody just wrote this at me today:

[Quote]

Think white and get real! We know how and why the buildings collapsed—structural damage and fire. “Death of Physics” is an explanation by slow adults and 9/11 Truther flat-earthers!

[/Quote]

The Laws of Physics do not care about anybody. Race is irrelevant.

[Chevdove]

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

 

Some figures don't want us to know much about them so there's no confusion in the message. 

 

I have an issue with mistrust and this is probably why I am curious.

 

I believe that culture is important and issues of color are secondary, and I don't think it's important that a person is White or not when they show that they are positive when dealing with racism and WS. 

 

But there has been so many times that I have known someone who professes to be aware of racial disparities and act as though they are cosmopolitan but then later, they reveal that they are not. You see them embrace one-sided bigots from a culture that they will let you know that you cannot approach them while they are with that group. 

 

 

[Laydee Gaga]

On 11/2/2024 at 9:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

In keeping with the actual THEME of this thread:  Degrees of Blackness.

How "Black" is Neely Fuller Jr. ????

I think Laydee Gaga mentioned that he didn't look Black or that he was basically a White man with a little bit of Black in him...lol.

I "could" agree with those assessments and I wouldn't argue them; but I would say, he doesn't look like an actual White man to me.
He looks mixed and definitely leaning toward the White side.


However I and many other AfroAmericans have grown up seeing people in our family lineage who looked like him but were "accepted" as being Black.

He looks a little like and sounds even more like my Grandfather.
Deep voice with a strong Southern AfroAmerican dialect.

Although I wouldn't call him Black, I would definitely call him an AfroAmerican....part of our ethnic group.
 

 

Well yea because many black people still have sex with a lot of whites and non blacks to bleach the bloodline. Of course self hating black people will accept him because they dont like the way they look. This notion about blacks accepting non black people is not the flex blacks make it out to be. Black people hate the way they look so they accept anything non black to feel attractive even if said non black is unattractive themselves. 

 

There were plenty of whites before jim crow and during that identified as black because of the opportunities gained by doing so. During the worst periods of black history why would anyone who looked like Lena Horne, Adam Clayton Powell, Charles Drew etc identify as black if that meant being lynched, mobbed, attacked, killed and offered less opportunities to succeed? Because being/looking white and identifying as black gave them an advantage over black people and whites want to eradicated west african looking black people so they dont have an issue with them. 

 

Its weird how Black people act like they dont know why they have certain family members who look white but identify as black. They act like these clearly mixed family members came through via immaculate conception. Whats wrong with admitting they were created intentionally by sleeping with whites and non blacks? Everyone sees it and I am more willing to follow the logic of those with more brain power than those who would rather lie and look like an idiot in public. 

On 11/1/2024 at 3:47 PM, Chevdove said:

 

Thank you @Pioneer1

 

And, I have listen to some of the videos, but now that you've posted a cache of them, I look forward to going through them again because I think he is awesome.

 

But again, I still want to know more about his personal challenges that led him to be the kind of person that he is.

 

I think that is crucial. 

 

 

yes. absolutely.

 

 

 

His father was an intellectual but he said it was because he was called black once in the military it changed his perspective. In other words, he wasnt living as a black person until he got his seat taken away from the table

[Laydee Gaga]

Is she black?

 

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Is she black?

 

I plan to respond to your previous post, but to briefly answer your question: NO

She's not racially Black.
But she COULD be AfroAmerican.
I have to learn more about her.
 

[Laydee Gaga]

On 12/4/2024 at 6:17 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I plan to respond to your previous post, but to briefly answer your question: NO

She's not racially Black.
But she COULD be AfroAmerican.
I have to learn more about her.
 

She has no clue who her father is and neither does her dark skin mother. 

[Pioneer1]

Laydee Gaga

 

Well yea because many black people still have sex with a lot of whites and non blacks to bleach the bloodline. Of course self hating black people will accept him because they dont like the way they look. 

I think most AfroAmericans accept and like Neely Fuller Jr. for what HE SAYS and not so much because of the way he looks.

 

Infact, most AfroAmericans haven't even seen him.
They just hear him on the radio or on the internet.
He sounds like a typical older southern Black man but talks more clearly and with much less emotion.

In my opinion, the fact that he's very light skinned and looks almost like a White man is an actual TURN OFF and disappointment, lol

With so much profound knowledge and wisdom, I'd prefer it come from a pure jet Black man or woman.

 

But it is what it is.

 

 

 

 

This notion about blacks accepting non black people is not the flex blacks make it out to be. Black people hate the way they look so they accept anything non black to feel attractive even if said non black is unattractive themselves. 

 

A lot of Black people truly do not like the way they look and constantly seek ways to either change their appearance or have children with other races to change the appearance of their offspring.

I remember as a kid hearing a few girls said they wanted a light skinned baby with curly hair.

 

 

 

 

Its weird how Black people act like they dont know why they have certain family members who look white but identify as black. They act like these clearly mixed family members came through via immaculate conception. Whats wrong with admitting they were created intentionally by sleeping with whites and non blacks? 

 

You believe that many if not most lightskinned family members in Black families were NOT a result of random genetics but a result of the woman secretly sleeping with a non-Black man and ended up getting pregnant by him?

 

I'm sure this is the case with many lightskinned children with 2 Black parents.
I'm not sure how OFTEN that is the case though.

 

 

 

In other words, he wasnt living as a black person until he got his seat taken away from the table

 

Neely Fuller Jr.???

According to him.....he went to a segregated Black school in Oklahoma and lived in a Black town/neighborhood.
His wife (care mate...lol) is also Black, according to him.

 

But we know that in the U.S. the term "Black" is used liberally to describe nearly anybody with a visible trace of Black ancestry.

 

[Laydee Gaga]

On 12/7/2024 at 4:33 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Laydee Gaga

 

Well yea because many black people still have sex with a lot of whites and non blacks to bleach the bloodline. Of course self hating black people will accept him because they dont like the way they look. 

I think most AfroAmericans accept and like Neely Fuller Jr. for what HE SAYS and not so much because of the way he looks.

 

Infact, most AfroAmericans haven't even seen him.
They just hear him on the radio or on the internet.
He sounds like a typical older southern Black man but talks more clearly and with much less emotion.

In my opinion, the fact that he's very light skinned and looks almost like a White man is an actual TURN OFF and disappointment, lol

With so much profound knowledge and wisdom, I'd prefer it come from a pure jet Black man or woman.

 

But it is what it is.

 

 

 

 

This notion about blacks accepting non black people is not the flex blacks make it out to be. Black people hate the way they look so they accept anything non black to feel attractive even if said non black is unattractive themselves. 

 

A lot of Black people truly do not like the way they look and constantly seek ways to either change their appearance or have children with other races to change the appearance of their offspring.

I remember as a kid hearing a few girls said they wanted a light skinned baby with curly hair.

 

 

 

 

Its weird how Black people act like they dont know why they have certain family members who look white but identify as black. They act like these clearly mixed family members came through via immaculate conception. Whats wrong with admitting they were created intentionally by sleeping with whites and non blacks? 

 

You believe that many if not most lightskinned family members in Black families were NOT a result of random genetics but a result of the woman secretly sleeping with a non-Black man and ended up getting pregnant by him?

 

I'm sure this is the case with many lightskinned children with 2 Black parents.
I'm not sure how OFTEN that is the case though.

 

 

 

In other words, he wasnt living as a black person until he got his seat taken away from the table

 

Neely Fuller Jr.???

According to him.....he went to a segregated Black school in Oklahoma and lived in a Black town/neighborhood.
His wife (care mate...lol) is also Black, according to him.

 

But we know that in the U.S. the term "Black" is used liberally to describe nearly anybody with a visible trace of Black ancestry.

 

 

Since I was 15 years old, i have had black women say it to my face that they procreated with a hispanic, mixed race or white man to have a light skin child then brought it back to their black husbands to pass off as theirs. 

 

To me it is still rare for 2 unambiguous, dark skin black people to create a light skin child. Random genetics seems to not occur with anyone else. Im sure you have never seen 2 Filipinos, 2 Mexicans, 2 Argentinian's, 2 southern Italians give birth to a child and it have type 4 hair even though many in those groups have curly hair. 

 

NFJ has white grandchildren.  Charles drew went to a black school but always identified as white until he saw an advantage to identify as black. Malcolm x went to white schools and looks much blacker than NFJ. 

 

I gotta look at what people do, how they are treated vs what they say. Many times its not racism but ethnocentrism if we understand what whiteness actually represents. 

[Troy]

23 hours ago, Laydee Gaga said:

i have had black women say it to my face that they procreated with a hispanic, mixed race or white man to have a light skin child then brought it back to their black husbands to pass off as theirs. 

 

That is crazy.  With the ready availability of DNA testing people can't get away with that crap now.

 

23 hours ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Charles drew went to a black school but always identified as white until he saw an advantage to identify as black.

 

 What possible "Advantage" did a Black man have in American during the first half of the 20th century?

[aka Contrarian]

My short attention span prevented me from doing anything other than cherry picking the topics I wanted to respond to in this marathon post that my late night  curiosity  prompted me to check out.  All I can say is the longer I live, the more I realize how much the black experience can vary.

I have never been around any black married couples who so desperately  desired  light skin children that the wife  copulated with a white male in order to achieve this goal! People I knew, dealt with however their kids came out, (sometimes being guilty of showing favoritism toward their lighter-skinned offspring albeit.)

In my social circle, guys were sometimes intimidated by fair-skinned girls, settling for brown ones. Girls often had a thing for what they perceived as the more masculine darker skinned guys. But none of these tendencies dominated  customs. People liked who they liked, and ugliness came in all colors, just as good looks were good looks.

 

This Neely Fuller sounds almost like a cult figure. Mysterious and dogmatic, proselytizing a color conscious doctrine that stems from  personal experience and anecdotal examples, all of which enthrall his admirers.

 I wonder why he hasn't gained more popularity in the black community, why black leaders don't recommend his advice which is purported to be so wise?

Not surprised Fuller is said to have mentored Frances Cress Wellsley. the original "angry black woman" with unorthodox views. I went to college with her sister who, unlike dark Frances, was tan colored. They had another sister, who was light skinned but they all 3 looked like each other.

What am I to make of this? If I am to believe what was said here, it's  possible that their mother was impregnated by a white man instead of her husband, and this accounted for the youngest sister being lightskinned. Get outta here. This may be the case with single women who get pregnant. 

But, since slave descendants come in various degrees of skin tones the great majority of them have white blood in them due to female slaves being raped  by their white masters. So when 2 slave descendants procreate, they are bringing a whole history of bloodlines into the mix. This includes not only skin color but facial features:, hair texture and body builds and even non physical talents and skills.

The hybrid slave descendants who comprise the negroid population of America can't be sure what color their children will come out because of "throwbacks". Let's not downplay  the science of genealogy, in favor of rumors and superstition.

I have actually seen cases where one mate is dark and the other light and their daughters were all dark and the sons all light or vice versa. Dominate and recessive genese may be somehow affected by the sex of the fertilized embryo. All kinds of factors influence how a child looks. Including  how melanin reacts to certain conditions. 

Whatever the case, colorism won't go away. It ebbs and flows but never disappears. it is so pervasive in the "Afro American" community that the preoccupation with it has become  neurotic. Even Beyonce has been accused of lightening her skin!

Ironically; the ones most conscious of skin color seem to be those with dark skin. They have a love-hate relationship with "high yellow" people. I. personally, suspected that certain sistas didn't vote for Kamala because.they harbored feelings of resentment against her.

It does seem that a preference for lighter skin spans all cultures.  If Africa is the cradle of mankind, then any species that isn't black is a mutation of the original race. Perhaps it's in the DNA of the mutants to reject those whose skin is  darker than theirs.         

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

This Neely Fuller sounds almost like a cult figure....I wonder why he hasn't gained more popularity in the black community, why black leaders don't recommend his advice which is purported to be so wise?

Neely Fuller Jr. is one among several people who flew below radar and therefore Black folks have never recognized them. 

 

Black leaders, academia and media never fully embraced the Black intellectuals.

 

Most people get caught up in intellectual junk food, entertainers and athletes.

 

2 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Whatever the case, colorism won't go away. It ebbs and flows but never disappears. it is so pervasive in the "Afro American" community that the preoccupation with it has become  neurotic.

Right. Colorism has been a tool of self-hate and divisiveness for a couple centuries now.

 

Many Black folks try to whiten themselves through cosmetics and hair products. 

 

There was a brief moment in time back in the 1970s when Black folks embraced and were proud to be Black. It definitely ebbs and flows.

 

[Troy]

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Most people get caught up in intellectual junk food, entertainers and athletes.

 

Unfortunately, this is why actors and entertainers (celebrities) are often treated as intellectuals to society's detriment.  This is also why some intellectuals strain to become celebrities at the expense of the scholarship.

[Pioneer1]

Laydee Gaga

 

Since I was 15 years old, i have had black women say it to my face that they procreated with a hispanic, mixed race or white man to have a light skin child then brought it back to their black husbands to pass off as theirs. 

 

Growing up, I've heard multiple Black girls say they want a "pretty" baby or light skinned baby with curly hair.

 

Before I understood the thinking of most women, I used to find this HIGHLY offensive because not only was it an obvious attempt to dilute the race, but...to me...insinuated that they considered  the men they were trying to sleep with to have these "cuter" babies -much cuter, than Black men.

 

Now as I've gotten older, wiser, and know more about the thinking of women, I can think more clearly and less emotionally.

Their thinking is still twisted, but I still can see them actually still loving Black people and Black men (atleast on a surface level) while still seeing White and "other" men as "prettier".

I also recognize that just because a woman may find a man "prettier" than me, doesn't mean she finds him more attractive than me.

This recognition by no means justifies that fucked up thinking going on in the minds of some of our sistaz. But it DOES take the "edge" off....lol.

[Chevdove]

On 12/17/2024 at 1:46 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

NFJ has white grandchildren.  Charles drew went to a black school but always identified as white until he saw an advantage to identify as black. Malcolm x went to white schools and looks much blacker than NFJ. 

 

Interesting!

 

[Laydee Gaga]

On 12/18/2024 at 12:45 PM, Troy said:

 

That is crazy.  With the ready availability of DNA testing people can't get away with that crap now.

 

 

 What possible "Advantage" did a Black man have in American during the first half of the 20th century?

 

You tell me??