A Binary Question: Was the KKK founded by the Democrat Party?

[nels]

A search of the web today will reveal that the Democrats and the left have gone out of their way over the last 15+ years or so to erase, invalidate and / or debunk any claim, assertion or likewise that the Democrats were (basically) responsible for starting the KKK. Is the public being gaslighted on these affirming claims, or are they untrue? The following several links are but (now) hard to find examples that swing against the Democrats.

 

https://carolmswain.com/2017/05/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-democratic-party/

"the Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, founded the KKK, and fought against every major civil rights act in U.S. history?"

 

https://patch.com/georgia/loganville/why-the-democrats-started-the-kkk-oh-you-didnt-know-that_e37487c3
"no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves"

 

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-guide-to-african-american-history/ku-klux-klan-kkk/AF98C32F011BFB6DBD98879DE0F08C73
"the KKK fueled Democrats’ push to establish one-party rule and Jim Crow. A coalition of Democrats, Klansmen, Red Shirts, Rifle Clubs, and White Leagues targeted freedmen and their allies, utilizing ballot fraud, intimidation, and murder"

[aka Contrarian]

In the south, yesterday's Democrats are today's Republicans. Those good ol boys flying confederate flags and toting rifles still exist. Only the names have been changed because red neck white crackers are more compatible with racist conservative  Republicans. The "Dixiecrats" morphed into "Retrumpicans" beginning in the 1960s

Why is this so hard for Republicans to process and why do they keep desperately dwelling on it, attempting to create a smoke screen? Labels are superficial. It's not what a group is called. It's how it behaves.

The past is the past.  Today's KKK members certainly won't be voting for Democrats  Kamala and Tim.

[frankster]

3 hours ago, nels said:

A search of the web today will reveal that the Democrats and the left have gone out of their way over the last 15+ years or so to erase, invalidate and / or debunk any claim, assertion or likewise that the Democrats were (basically) responsible for starting the KKK. Is the public being gaslighted on these affirming claims, or are they untrue? The following several links are but (now) hard to find examples that swing against the Democrats.

 

https://carolmswain.com/2017/05/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-democratic-party/

"the Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, founded the KKK, and fought against every major civil rights act in U.S. history?"

 

https://patch.com/georgia/loganville/why-the-democrats-started-the-kkk-oh-you-didnt-know-that_e37487c3
"no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves"

 

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-guide-to-african-american-history/ku-klux-klan-kkk/AF98C32F011BFB6DBD98879DE0F08C73
"the KKK fueled Democrats’ push to establish one-party rule and Jim Crow. A coalition of Democrats, Klansmen, Red Shirts, Rifle Clubs, and White Leagues targeted freedmen and their allies, utilizing ballot fraud, intimidation, and murder"

 

 If one has to rely on someone else to believe themself and others, then they truly have no mind of their own. The statement you made is completely antithetical to independent thought, and it demonstrated nothing less than an incapability to think, create and envision without having to rely on stock of others.

[Troy]

14 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Why is this so hard for Republicans to process and why do they keep desperately dwelling on it,

 

It is usually Black Republicans who make this argument and it is intellectually dishonest. The people who have a platform should know better.

 

This video fills in the gaps left out by the professor above.  Again, this is common knowledge.  The idea that a so-called college professor would agree to produce such a misleading video is ... just being a sell-out.

 

 

[nels]

19 hours ago, frankster said:

antithetical to independent thought

Actually, many years ago, I use to frequently offer an extensive amount of independent thought on this forum, only to be routinely chided with great hostility by its participants to "cite, cite, cite" others to prove what I said. Eventually, I simply got tired of wasting valuable time trying to engage this community with original content. As a result, I found it much more time efficient to step aside, visit occasionally, and let the community hash it out, as you are in fact doing yourself. Based on your responses and interactions, you have demonstrated a tendency to profess wit and knowledge that you do not possess. They're are times in life when you can't fake it 'till you make it and for you, this is one of those times.

6 hours ago, Troy said:

it is intellectually dishonest

The defensive response you made was anticipates and typical of thought that skates on thin ice. Sometimes people refuse to believe the truth, even after it runs right over them.

6 hours ago, Troy said:

The people who have a platform should know better.

Scolding others on this issue only strengthens and affirms its credibility. Believe what you want to believe, but don't try to judgmentally con others into believing you. Let them do their own research, but then again, the left doesn't want people to pay attention.

[Troy]

@nels do you believe the the nature of the Democratic and Republican parties have changed over the last 150 years or not?

[frankster]

2 hours ago, nels said:

Actually, many years ago, I use to frequently offer an extensive amount of independent thought on this forum,

I find that hard to believe...

 

2 hours ago, nels said:

only to be routinely chided with great hostility by its participants to "cite, cite, cite" others to prove what I said.

I would think they were returning the hostility you project

 

2 hours ago, nels said:

 

Eventually, I simply got tired of wasting valuable time trying to engage this community with original content. As a result, I found it much more time efficient to step aside, visit occasionally, and let the community hash it out, as you are in fact doing yourself.

Thats how I know a fake....always making excuses but never finding time.

Dropping in here and there to pretend they real....mean while all they really doing is propagandizing.

 

2 hours ago, nels said:

Based on your responses and interactions, you have demonstrated a tendency to profess wit and knowledge that you do not possess.

Unlike you I do not possess knowledge or originate any.....purely regurgitations.

 

2 hours ago, nels said:

They're are times in life when you can't fake it 'till you make it and for you, this is one of those times.

You should take your own advice.

 

[nels]

10 hours ago, Troy said:

the nature of the Democratic and Republican parties have changed

Not really. For many decades and scores, myself included, we as black Americans were fed a big lie that gradually metastasized; it was that the Democrats were our friends and the Republicans were our enemies. From the onset, many of us voted Democrat because our parents either told us to or because we were either afraid to or didn't know how to think differently. Fast-forward to today, the danger that lies ahead for black America is so ominous that it by far exponentially exceeds any threat or risk that black America has ever faced before.

 

Many black Americans today have settled into their comfort zones and refuse to look outside and see the hurricane of displacement and mega-scale disenfranchisement that is really coming. I left the Democrat party decades ago because after doing extensive analysis and research, the dots that I connected painted a very grim picture for black America and society in general. The bottom line - the Democrat party machine has never been black America's friend. From Roosevelt and Truman to JFK's theft of the election (with his father's connections) from Nixon via the Chicago political machine and ni**er-hating LBJ's manipulative appeasement of black America, nothing has changed.

3 hours ago, frankster said:

I find that hard to believe...

You seem rabid and so eager to respond to everything peacemeal that you come across as a weak troll. Your responses appear to be more like knee-jerk-reaction quips designed to shield the fragility that you project. Chances may be that very few people take you seriously, but for those who do, it's nothing but an exercise in wasting valuable intellectual capital on unimpressive participation. And, best of luck with the keystroke depletion, because you're never going to win.

[frankster]

12 minutes ago, nels said:

 

 

12 minutes ago, nels said:

You seem rabid and so eager to respond to everything peacemeal that you come across as a weak troll. Your responses appear to be more like knee-jerk-reaction quips designed to shield the fragility that you project. Chances may be that very few people take you seriously, but for those who do, it's nothing but an exercise in wasting valuable intellectual capital on unimpressive participation. And, best of luck with the keystroke depletion, because you're never going to win.

Cool

[aka Contrarian]

 

On 8/18/2024 at 11:34 PM, Troy said:

@nels do you believe the the nature of the Democratic and Republican parties have changed over the last 150 years or not?

Nels' response to this question was nothing more than an attempt to justify his infatuation with the Republican Reich. On and on he rambled trying to make his subliminal case for the Republican party being the antidote for the  poisonous disinformation he was spewing about the Democrats.

Bottom line, what nels couldn't bring himself to admit is that, when it came to racial matters, the  Democrat and Republican parties did reverse roles!  He remains shackled  to the Republican narrative that he obediently parrots.

 

And, incidentally, in the person of my Cynique alter ego, I was around when nels put in his first appearance on this site And tho I have many memories about those days, the only thing I recall about him was his name. Fueled by his arrogance, I think he has embellished the impact he had on this forum back then,  and still sporadically shows up here, desperately yearning  to gain some measure of respect.