Black. History. Lynchings ....

[harry brown]

Black. Women. Were. Also. Lynched. ...Read. Eleven.  11. Black. Women. Were. Lynched.  Among. The. Hundreds. Of. Black. Men. ,Lynched. In. Texas.  ..Oklahoma.  Black. Woman. And. Her. Son. Was. Lynched. .Georgia. A. Pregnant. Black. Woman. Was. Lynched. ...  Read. They. Have. Been. Thousands. Of. Black. People. Lynched........Racist.  Klan. Police. ,Racist. Politicians. ,Racist. Christian. Terrorist. Have. Kept. The. Lynchings. Going. .....Black. ,Christians. Forgive. The. Present. Time. White. Racist. Terrorist. ,Terror. On. Black. People. .....Black. Christians. Care. More. About. Their. Bible. Jesus. Than. Black. History. And. White. Christian. Terrorist. Terror. Attacks. On. Black. People. Black. Communities....

[ProfD]

Unfortunately, the cowardice of Black men is the sole reason for the brutality our people have endured from the beginnings of chattel slavery up through modern day lynchings. 

 

Until Black men are willing to protect themselves and their loved ones by any means necessary, our people will remain the victims of violence against us.

[Laydee Gaga]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Unfortunately, the cowardice of Black men is the sole reason for the brutality our people have endured from the beginnings of chattel slavery up through modern day lynchings. 

 

Until Black men are willing to protect themselves and their loved ones by any means necessary, our people will remain the victims of violence against us.

Yea but in particular in the Caribbean, many Black men fought back while Black women were laying up with the opposition. Black women were in contact with whites before TAS and their offspring have done MOST of the damage to the black race. This goes deeper than what you are saying. 

 

Lynching back then was a form of punishment so many whites and others were getting lynched when they were accused of wrong doing. It may have been unfair towards BM and *some* BW but this is what happened. Also, where are all the accounts of mixed race people being lynched?

 

Last, what does protection really mean to you? I dont protect people I dont like, who dont have the same ideology as me and are of no value to me. I am not going to protect anyone who willingly lays up with white people and fakes as if they didnt know whites would never accept them. 

[ProfD]

52 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Last, what does protection really mean to you?

Protection means doing whatever it takes to keep oneself and their loved ones alive and/or out of harm's way.

[umbrarchist]

One of my mother's complaints about my father was how many guns he had.

 

Dealing with a Real Enemy when a supposed ally is a frienemy is a bitch.

.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, umbrarchist said:

One of my mother's complaints about my father was how many guns he had.

 

Dealing with a Real Enemy when a supposed ally is a frienemy is a bitch.

That's been a real problem for hundreds years. It's one thing for your significant other to be off code. Even worse when combined with and magnified by punk azz men, sellouts, bootlicks and shills.

 

Nat Turner would have been more successful if Black folks hadn't sold him out. A slave told the white man about Nat's plan. 

 

Harriet Tubman had to carry a pistol during the underground railroad. Not only to defend herself against slave catchers. She also had to keep spineless Black folks in line too.

 

Haitians got it right when they fought back against the French. Yet, they were still compromised by their own people.

 

Many AfroAmericans believe our people would have been slaughtered if they had gone to war against their oppressors.

 

Interestingly, the founding fathers wrote in the Declaration of Independence, "with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

 

They were willing to die for their freedom from Great Britain.

 

To this day, White folks don't think twice or Blink when it comes to going to war.

 

Most Black folks aren't built to die for their freedom.

[Pioneer1]

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Most Black folks aren't built to die for their freedom.

As I've gotten older, I'm beginning to wonder if that wasn't a SMART move after all.

First of all I think it's HIGHLY possible that AfroAmericans could actually win a war against our oppressors, for reasons I won't get into.
However, for the sake of discussion....let's say that hypothetically the ONLY options are oppression OR fighting back and losing.
Just for discussion's sake.

If you think about it...........

1. What good is "freedom" if you're dead and not around to enjoy it?

2. Yes, life under oppression COULD be worse than death....but in the United States after 1865....was and is life for AfroAmericans (drugs, lynchings, AIDS, and other forms of oppression) really WORSE than being killed outright?
A lot of Black folks have it much worse in other parts of the planet.

3.  Look at the Arabs and how many of them are willing to kill and die for what they believe.
Yet what good is it doing them?
And they are MORE numerous than the Israelis and other Westerners over in their land fighting them, yet it APPEARS (since I'm not over there I don't know what's REALLY going on) that they are losing in big numbers, currently.

Just being brave and fighting and putting your life on the line for the sake of doing so or for some intangible (frankster...lol) virtue like "honor", how much is it really worth?

I can see fighting if:

1. You have a reasonable and good chance of winning
or
2. You face annihilation if you DON'T fight back

But does scenario apply to Black America?

[ProfD]

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. What good is "freedom" if you're dead and not around to enjoy it?

Death is freedom.  Depending on one's beliefs, their rewards (enjoyment) are in heaven.

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. Yes, life under oppression COULD be worse than death....but in the United States after 1865....was and is life for AfroAmericans (drugs, lynchings, AIDS, and other forms of oppression) really WORSE than being killed outright?

Yes.  A slow death is more grueling than dying quickly.

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of Black folks have it much worse in other parts of the planet.

That's because they are still be oppressed.  If those people were free to thrive in their own countries, life would be paradise.

 

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

3.  Look at the Arabs and how many of them are willing to kill and die for what they believe.
Yet what good is it doing them?

We do not get to qualify *good* and *freedom* when it comes to how someone chooses to live.

 

People choose to live in some form of bondage versus die free.

 

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just being brave and fighting and putting your life on the line for the sake of doing so or for some intangible (frankster...lol) virtue like "honor", how much is it really worth?

I can see fighting if:

1. You have a reasonable and good chance of winning
or
2. You face annihilation if you DON'T fight back

Those are the considerations a coward chooses to make.  They live accordingly.  No right to complain about their station or condition.

[Troy]

Better to live on your feet then die on your knees , huh @ProfD?
 

To @Pioneer1’s point. There were two times I backed down from a fight as a kid. I remember this clearly because it bothered me.  both times the other kid was in a gang. I had no one backing me and I know I would have won both fights. 
 

In the moment I felt like I was being a coward, but the reality was, I was being smart.
 

Now, if I was being bullied regularly, it would be a different story. You have no choice, but to fight.
 

You have to know when to fight and you have to know when the back down. Maybe regroup and come back when you are in a stronger position. Today being in a stronger position means getting a gun, which is why there are so many shootings over bullshit.

 

I used to always say I could never be a slave. You’d have to kill me MF! But as I got older, I realized is very easy to say that when you’re not actually living it.

[ProfD]

23 minutes ago, Troy said:

Better to live on your feet then die on your knees , huh @ProfD?

Correct. When it comes to protecting freedom, family or manhood.

23 minutes ago, Troy said:

In the moment I felt like I was being a coward, but the reality was, I was being smart.

True. There is a time to fight. Depends on what's at stake.

23 minutes ago, Troy said:

Now, if I was being bullied regularly, it would be a different story. You have no choice, but to fight.

Correct. If not, you'll be a victim until the bully gets tired.

23 minutes ago, Troy said:

Today being in a stronger position means getting a gun, which is why there are so many shootings over bullshit.

They are not fighting or killing for freedom or principle. It's usually dumb sh8t.

23 minutes ago, Troy said:

I used to always say I could never be a slave. You’d have to kill me MF! But as I got older, I realized is very easy to say that when you’re not actually living it.

You would not have been alone. 

 

History doesn't glorify the many Black folks who jumped off slaveships or attacked and killed their captors and slave masters. That's not the narrative they want Black folks to know.

 

The reason slavery end early in the West Indies is because the Black folks fought back and refused it.

 

Haiti is usually held up as the Black country that revolted against the French. Mainly because of their poor status i.e. this is what happens when the oppressor is kicked out.

 

There's a reason the US has the most powerful military on the planet. The country  is willing to kill anything that threatens its freedom.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Death is freedom.  Depending on one's beliefs, their rewards (enjoyment) are in heaven.

 

As an agnostic...do YOU believe that?

 

 

 

Yes.  A slow death is more grueling than dying quickly.

 

Perhaps.
Yet depending on your state of mind and abilities, a slow death ALSO gives you some time to come up with a CURE to PREVENT your death and possibly even PREVAIL over your enemies and come out much stronger on the other side.

 

 

 

 

That's because they are still be oppressed.  If those people were free to thrive in their own countries, life would be paradise.

 

Is that a fact....or speculation?

The reason I ask is because BEFORE Caucasians came to their nations to oppress them...were they living in paradise?
Or were they living under OTHER forms of oppression and being ruled over by tyrants of their own kind?

 

 

 

 

We do not get to qualify *good* and *freedom* when it comes to how someone chooses to live.

 

We can certainly have an opinion.
Especially based on their EXPECTATIONS and RESULTS.

If you're CLAIMING you do what you do to bring freedom to your people....but it only leads to more anguish and oppression, then I would have to question your beliefs and intelligence.

 

 

Those are the considerations a coward chooses to make.  They live accordingly.  No right to complain about their station or condition

 

Presuming that those choices are the choices of a coward (which I don't agree with).......

Is cowardice a "sin" in your opinion?

 

And if so, by what right do you judge it so?
 

You just said that people have a right to determine good and freedom by THEIR OWN standards.

So if a man determines that not fighting and going along with the program is a "good" decision to make or even the BEST decision to make....based on his abilities...who are we to judge?
Especially if we aren't coming to his rescue.

 

 

 

 

 

There's a reason the US has the most powerful military on the planet. 

Yes....and that reason isn't because of "bravery" or the willingness to die.
If those attributes were what determined the strength of a military.....those in the Middle East would be among the most powerful and wouldn't be getting picked off one by one.

The U.S. military is the most powerful because it's the SMARTEST and most TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED.

I don't have the stats on this but it probably actually has a higher percentage of women and homosexuals than any other military on the planet also, but it still rules.
Why?
Because it's not so much about BALLS but about BRAINS.

 

And again, my question is.....

 

No doubt that our people are being oppressed in various forms.

However, is the oppression that we as AfroAmericans have been going through SINCE AFTER 1865....really worse than death itself?

 

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

Lol.....
Just when I think that you oppose my statements for the sake of being contrary and argumentative, you come along and change the game by agreeing with me.

Actually, you articulated the point quite well that you MUST pick and choose your battles wisely.

 

You talk of TWO times that you backed out of a fight as a kid, I can talk of NUMEROUS times....too many to remember...that I've backed out of conflicts as a kid in my neighborhood and at school.

When I grew up, it was more than just having to deal with fist fights.....dudes had GATS....including AK's.
You could "stand up" all you want but if you rubbed somebody the wrong way, they could get their boys on your or go home to their closet and cancel you out the next day.
....and that wasn't even the 'hood, lol.

That didn't mean you had to be a punk or coward, but you had to use good sense and know WHEN and HOW to deal with each situation and who to just avoid.
 

And yes, similar to you when I was VERY young....under 12 or 13...I would get angry at myself later on when I went home and ask myself why did I "punk out" like that.

But as I got older and into highschool and started looking at the results of NOT punking out and answering EVERY challenge or potential conflict head-on....I realized how smart I had been about the situation.
Especially as I look back at it today.

 

A lot of the cats  I knew who WEREN'T punks or pussies and NEVER backed down from a conflict or challenge are:

 

1. Dead.
Because they ran into ANOTHER fool who wasn't a punk or pussy either and they cancelled eachother out.

Bullets don't give a damn whether you're a punk or not.
Bullets don't care how brave you are...they'll still "git witcha"..lol

or

2. Locked up
Unlike the streets...police and judges generally don't REWARD violent behavior.
After you just popped somebody, don't expect the police to pat you on the back and congratulate you for not being a coward or punk.

 

 

ProfD & Troy

 

Every so often conflicts arise in your day to day life that you have to learn how to "handle" without being violent or confrontational.
Especially if you're a Black man.
You have to weigh your options.

 

A few years ago I was standing on the street and some dirty bummy looking White dude came staggering up to me and said do you have a light?
I don't smoke but I happen to keep a cigarette lighter on me and I let him use it.

He looked at me and said, "Yeah...I thought so" with a slight disrespect in his eyes.
Lit his cigarette while staring at me with some shiny blue eyes dancing in his head, then handed it back to me while purposely looking the other way in an obviously disrespectful manner.
 

I could have flipped and said XY&Z and I could have actually flipped HIM.
20 or 30 years ago I probably WOULD have.

But at that time, I just took back my lighter, looked at him like that fool that he was...and as he went HIS way...I went MINE.

Didn't so much as think about it 10 minutes later.

I drove away in my ride while he was probably homeless and staggard away to whatever hole he was staying in.
 

Why would I get into an altercation with some poor white trashy FOOL who is probably looking for conflict in the hope that somebody may end his misery?
 

As we get older...hopefully we get wiser.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As an agnostic...do YOU believe that?

I believe death is the end to all pain and suffering and ultimately our mortality. We're born to die. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yet depending on your state of mind and abilities, a slow death ALSO gives you some time to come up with a CURE to PREVENT your death and possibly even PREVAIL over your enemies and come out much stronger on the other side.

Cancer is still kicking azz and taking names.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is that a fact....or speculation?

The reason I ask is because BEFORE Caucasians came to their nations to oppress them...were they living in paradise?
Or were they living under OTHER forms of oppression and being ruled over by tyrants of their own kind?

False equivalence. It doesn't matter how they were living before foreign oppressors showed up.

 

American Indians were doing all types of sh8t before white folks came along and killed them. I doubt that being relegated to reservations made them happier.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We can certainly have an opinion.
Especially based on their EXPECTATIONS and RESULTS.

If you're CLAIMING you do what you do to bring freedom to your people....but it only leads to more anguish and oppression, then I would have to question your beliefs and intelligence.

Since the beginning of time, men have become leaders both good and bad.

 

The question is how does a man become a leader of men. It is a combination of power,  intelligence and influence. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Presuming that those choices are the choices of a coward (which I don't agree with).......

Is cowardice a "sin" in your opinion?

 

And if so, by what right do you judge it so?

I don't judge cowards nor view it as a sin. I just keep my distance from them. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You just said that people have a right to determine good and freedom by THEIR OWN standards.

So if a man determines that not fighting and going along with the program is a "good" decision to make or even the BEST decision to make....based on his abilities...who are we to judge?

Again, no judgement. I just know who not to call if/when it's time to put in work.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The U.S. military is the most powerful because it's the SMARTEST and most TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED.

Correct. Their primary objective is to kill any threats. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And again, my question is.....

 

No doubt that our people are being oppressed in various forms.

However, is the oppression that we as AfroAmericans have been going through SINCE AFTER 1865....really worse than death itself?

That question is best answered on an individual basis.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Every so often conflicts arise in your day to day life that you have to learn how to "handle" without being violent or confrontational.

Especially if you're a Black man.
You have to weigh your options.

Sure. We handle conflicts accordingly. This conversation started about freedom.

 

I'm not making any compromises when it comes to protecting my life and liberty.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

I believe death is the end to all pain and suffering and ultimately our mortality. We're born to die. 

 

Ok, so according to that belief you DON'T believe death is "freedom" or "paradise".

 

Freedom means no restrictions or limits.
The ability to do what you want or will.
Being totally unconscious doesn't allow for that in this Realm....because you have no wants or will.

 

 

 

Cancer is still kicking azz and taking names.

 

While you are correct, all slow deaths aren't Cancerous.

 

Smoking cigarettes or even drinking could be considered "slow deaths" if you're suffering an illness because of them.
That slow death will often give you an opportunity to STOP using those substances and change your lifestyle so that you may LIVE a much longer and healthier life.

 

 

 

 

False equivalence. It doesn't matter how they were living before foreign oppressors showed up.

 

Tell that to those of a lower status or prisoners of war from another tribe who may have been suffering UNTIL the White man showed up and put EVERYBODY under bondage....thus giving them a little relief, lol.

 

Iran calls America the "great Satan".
However I wonder how do many of the Iranian WOMEN....who are often thought of as oppressed in that nation....feel about America when THEY come here and enjoy fewer restrictions than they did in their home countries?

 

Whether you talk about Africa or the Americas....we know that White folks wouldn't have been NEARLY as successful as they were in conquering Africans and Native Americans if they weren't already beefing and fighting with eachother for centuries before Caucasians even showed up on the scene.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not making any compromises when it comes to protecting my life and liberty.

 

What if protecting your life COSTS you your liberty?
 

[ProfD]

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ok, so according to that belief you DON'T believe death is "freedom" or "paradise".

Death is freedom. No more pain and suffering. 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Freedom means no restrictions or limits.
The ability to do what you want or will.

There are rules and laws that prevent people from doing whatever they want to do.

 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Being totally unconscious doesn't allow for that in this Realm....because you have no wants or will.

Death is not form of unconsciousness. Supposedly, the spirit has been set free.

 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

While you are correct, all slow deaths aren't Cancerous.

Thrle point is that everyone is slowly dying. There's no cure for mortality. 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

That slow death will often give you an opportunity to STOP using those substances and change your lifestyle so that you may LIVE a much longer and healthier life.

Sure. Some people do unhealthy and destructive sh8t throughout their lives and live longer and healthier than others.

 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Tell that to those of a lower status or prisoners of war from another tribe who may have been suffering UNTIL the White man showed up and put EVERYBODY under bondage....thus giving them a little relief, lol.

Still a prisoner. Just glad to have company.

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Iran calls America the "great Satan".
However I wonder how do many of the Iranian WOMEN....who are often thought of as oppressed in that nation....feel about America when THEY come here and enjoy fewer restrictions than they did in their home countries?

Those women didn't hold the same beliefs about America if they were willing to leave their home country. 

 

The Iranians who believe America is the great Satandon't  come here unless they're terrorists.

 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Whether you talk about Africa or the Americas....we know that White folks wouldn't have been NEARLY as successful as they were in conquering Africans and Native Americans if they weren't already beefing and fighting with eachother for centuries before Caucasians even showed up on the scene.

Internal turmoil and strife doesn't give the right to colonize a sovereign country.

 

China was once a super power. Several dynasties. Plenty wars and conflicts within the country. Yet, they weren't colonized.

 

Great Britain and Ireland had conflicts. They weren't colonized.

 

 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

What if protecting your life COSTS you your liberty?

That's a chance I'm willing to take. Self-defense can be proved especially if I'm in the right.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Death is freedom. No more pain and suffering. 

 

It depends on whether YOU believe in Hell or not.

 

 

 

There are rules and laws that prevent people from doing whatever they want to do.

 

Then they aren't free.
ANY restriction cancels out the condition of true "freedom".

You may have LIBERTY, but not freedom.

 

 

Death is not form of unconsciousness. Supposedly, the spirit has been set free.

 

I believe this.
However as an agnostic, I didn't know YOU did.

 

 

 

 

 

Internal turmoil and strife doesn't give the right to colonize a sovereign country.

 

No, but being WEAK does.
Internal turmoil, strife, and excessive division usually LEADS to a weakened and vulnerable state that makes one easier to be conquered.

 

 

 

 

China was once a super power. Several dynasties. Plenty wars and conflicts within the country. Yet, they weren't colonized.

 

China was colonized by the British.

 

 

 

Great Britain and Ireland had conflicts. They weren't colonized.

 

Britain colonized Ireland.
That's what the conflicts were about...lol.

 

 

 

That's a chance I'm willing to take. Self-defense can be proved especially if I'm in the right.

 

True
 

[ProfD]

20 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It depends on whether YOU believe in Hell or not.

I believe heaven or h8ll are right here on earth. Not in the afterlife. 

 

20 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Then they aren't free.

ANY restriction cancels out the condition of true "freedom".

You may have LIBERTY, but not freedom.

According to that logic, nobody is free because everyone is subject to rules and laws.

20 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I believe this.  However as an agnostic, I didn't know YOU did.

You may be lumping atheists and agnostics together.

 

27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

China was colonized by the British.

 

Britain colonized Ireland.

You're right. My point is those countries have been sovereign in ways different from Black countries. 

 

Being weak will get that azz run over but that doesn't make it *right*.

 

I'd be considered a bully if I ran around taking advantage of weak people.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

I believe heaven or h8ll are right here on earth. Not in the afterlife. 

 

This is very similar to what the Nation of Islam teaches

 

 

According to that logic, nobody is free because everyone is subject to rules and laws.

 

Correct.
Nobody living in a society is actually free.

 

 

 

You may be lumping atheists and agnostics together.

 

No, I know the difference.
Without going to Websters....an atheist definitely doesn't believe while an agnostic isn't sure one way or the other.

However it's interesting that as an agnostic, that you believe that a spirit lives on after physical death.
Do you also believe that that spirit is conscious?

 

 

 

 

Being weak will get that azz run over but that doesn't make it *right*.

 

It depends on your moral code.

In nature, WEAKNESS itself is wrong.

 

Weakness and sickness are evil.
Strength and vitality are good.

Animals aren't going to church or burning incense at altars.....they are living their lives based on their natures and reproducing one generation after the other based on the law of "the strong survive".
It appears to be working for them to some degree.
 

I'd be considered a bully if I ran around taking advantage of weak people.

 

I'm not sure, but perhaps nature intended for the strong to take advantage of the weak in some ways...to weed out the weak.

As you know, in the hood...being a strong and hard GANSTA is more respected and honored than being a book smart punk or sissy.
Is that right?
Is that wrong?
 

Perhaps that we have gained the wrong understanding of what it means to be "good" or "bad" living under Caucasians and being influenced by THEIR ways of thinking.
 

[ProfD]

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

However it's interesting that as an agnostic, that you believe that a spirit lives on after physical death.

Do you also believe that that spirit is conscious?

I only wrote that the spirit is free. No idea of if it's conscious.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Animals aren't going to church or burning incense at altars.....they are living their lives based on their natures and reproducing one generation after the other based on the law of "the strong survive".

Humans and animals live by a different code. Supposedly, the Supreme Being gave us dominion over them. We're held to a higher standard.

 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not sure, but perhaps nature intended for the strong to take advantage of the weak in some ways...to weed out the weak.

Not among humans. We're supposed to love each other.

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

As you know, in the hood...being a strong and hard GANSTA is more respected and honored than being a book smart punk or sissy.
Is that right?
Is that wrong?

N8gglet sh8t doesn't get validation. 

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps that we have gained the wrong understanding of what it means to be "good" or "bad" living under Caucasians and being influenced by THEIR ways of thinking.

Humans have been doing the same sh8t for thousands of years long before racism white supremacy.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

I only wrote that the spirit is free. No idea of if it's conscious

 

Well if you don't know if the spirit is conscious or not, then the question I have for YOU is what good is the spirit being "set free" in death with no more pain or suffering, if you aren't conscious to enjoy it?

 

Yes it's good to NOT suffer any more pain or humiliation, however if there is no consciousness....how do you enjoy it?

 

 

 

 

Humans and animals live by a different code. Supposedly, the Supreme Being gave us dominion over them. We're held to a higher standard.

 

Ok, mr.agnostic....lol

And my question is W/who is holding us to this "higher standard"?

And if we don't meet the standards, what are the consequences...besides the ones we may give eachother?

 

Like I was telling this sista the other day who wanted to argue with me over the virtues of being a Catholic....

Humans get married, have sex, have children -higher standard.
Animals just have sex and have children  -lower standard.

 

The offspring of humans live, eat, shit, and die.
The offspring of animals live, eat, shit, and die.

 

What Benefits do we get from being held to a higher standard in YOUR opinion?

 

 

 

 

Not among humans. We're supposed to love each other.

 

Says who?

There's a lot of people you SHOULDN'T love, in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

N8gglet sh8t doesn't get validation

 

Nigga shit may not fly well on Wall Street, but it just might keep you ALIVE in the 'hood....lol.

Sometimes just walking down the street in a wife-beater and doo-rag on your head is enough to keep people from fucking with you, lol.

 

 

 

Humans have been doing the same sh8t for thousands of years long before racism white supremacy.

 

Yes, that's part of my point.
Them coming along with their various religions and moral/ethical codes don't change reality.

We may be living UNDER their rule, but human nature is human nature and the most effective Black folks seem to be the ones who discover "the real" on how to survive and thrive in this system.
 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ell if you don't know if the spirit is conscious or not, then the question I have for YOU is what good is the spirit being "set free" in death with no more pain or suffering, if you aren't conscious to enjoy it?

I believe spirits are having a wonderful time because they don't come back to tell us anything.

 

At least my loved ones have never communicated with me.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes it's good to NOT suffer any more pain or humiliation, however if there is no consciousness....how do you enjoy it?

We have no way of knowing nor can we define Enjoyment for others.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ok, mr.agnostic....lol

And my question is W/who is holding us to this "higher standard"?

I wrote supposedly. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And if we don't meet the standards, what are the consequences...besides the ones we may give eachother?

The Supreme Being will be the judge...supposedly.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What Benefits do we get from being held to a higher standard in YOUR opinion?

The benefit is everything that comes with being human. 

 

I doubt that anybody wants to trade existences with a cicada. It comes out after 17 years of incubation and dies shortly thereafter. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Says who?

There's a lot of people you SHOULDN'T love, in my opinion.

Most dysfunction among humans is tied to  the absence or lack of love.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Nigga shit may not fly well on Wall Street, but it just might keep you ALIVE in the 'hood....lol.

Sometimes just walking down the street in a wife-beater and doo-rag on your head is enough to keep people from fucking with you, lol.

Situational awareness is a survival instinct. Getting out of the hood should be the goal.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes, that's part of my point.

Them coming along with their various religions and moral/ethical codes don't change reality.

We may be living UNDER their rule, but human nature is human nature and the most effective Black folks seem to be the ones who discover "the real" on how to survive and thrive in this system.

Humans have the ability to adapt to their environment and conditions.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

I believe spirits are having a wonderful time because they don't come back to tell us anything.

 

You may not have had any spiritual visitations from deceased loved ones but millions of people around the planet claim they HAVE and billions more have made the same claim through out history.

I said "claim" because I'm not in a position to validate what they say, but it's certainly compelling.

 

 

We have no way of knowing nor can we define Enjoyment for others.

 

No?
Gimme 10 minutes with a CONSENTING woman and I'll PROVE to you that I can know what she enjoys and clearly define how much she enjoys it...lol.

 

 

 

I wrote supposedly. 

The Supreme Being will be the judge...supposedly.

 

So you base that standard on a supposition (from your perspective) that you're not even sure about?

 

And as we follow this line of reasoning.....

 

If you believe The SUPREME BEING "supposedly" judges a human for their behavior, do you believe there will be some reward or punishment for that behavior?
And when do you suppose they may receive it?

 

 

 

 

The benefit is everything that comes with being human. 

I doubt that anybody wants to trade existences with a cicada. It comes out after 17 years of incubation and dies shortly thereafter. 

Lol...that was funny for real.

Well, a human can live like an animals in SOME respects and still enjoy the same benefits.

 

For example....
Humans don't have to get married and go through the rituals of weddings or even rearing children....just to enjoy sex.
They can enjoy that benefit the same as an animal can, without the higher standards the society places on them.

 

 

 

 

Situational awareness is a survival instinct. Getting out of the hood should be the goal.

 

For most people, it is.
However there is a large minority of folks who not only LOVE the 'hood but THRIVE in the 'hood and wouldn't live anywhere else even when given the choice.

I had several relatives and friends like that.

I had an uncle who was a hustler and made ALL of his money underground and he wouldn't go north of 8 Mile, lol.
He literally STAYED in Detroit and wouldn't leave the city under any circumstances and actually preferred the most 'hood parts of the city.
He said that's where the money was...lol.

 

 

 

Humans have the ability to adapt to their environment and conditions.

 

Most do, anyway......

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

You may not have had any spiritual visitations from deceased loved ones...

Right. I have not had those encounters.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

So you base that standard on a supposition (from your perspective) that you're not even sure about?

 

And as we follow this line of reasoning.....

 

If you believe The SUPREME BEING "supposedly" judges a human for their behavior, do you believe there will be some reward or punishment for that behavior?

And when do you suppose they may receive it?

As an agnostic, I personally don't believe any of it.

 

Again, I wrote *supposedly* based on what others choose to believe. I don't subscribe to it. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Humans don't have to get married and go through the rituals of weddings or even rearing children....just to enjoy sex.
They can enjoy that benefit the same as an animal can, without the higher standards the society places on them.

That's right. Humans have Free Will.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

However there is a large minority of folks who not only LOVE the 'hood but THRIVE in the 'hood and wouldn't live anywhere else even when given the choice.  I had several relatives and friends like that.

Absolutely. I have a bunch of family and friends who are about that life.

[Chevdove]

On 10/17/2024 at 1:51 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

 

 

Last, what does protection really mean to you? I dont protect people I dont like, who dont have the same ideology as me and are of no value to me. I am not going to protect anyone who willingly lays up with white people and fakes as if they didnt know whites would never accept them. 

 

The foundation of this western civilization has brought about so much confusion and varied beliefs when it comes to Black oppression and White Supremacy. Many Black people edify White people due to these foundations of how our ancestors have been made to depend on them for relief. So then years later, when faced with violence and racism, it becomes a worse fate and abandonment from a system that was based on ignoring this type of human sacrifice. 

 

On 10/17/2024 at 7:55 PM, ProfD said:

Haitians got it right when they fought back against the French. Yet, they were still compromised by their own people.

 

Yes, this seems to be what @Laydee Gaga is alluding to. How can we fight against lynchings and racism against Black people when we are so divided? 

And many times, the Blacks that want help from racism only want it when they have been betrayed by the white people they once worshiped and so, what would happen then, if Black people fought for this type of wrongdoing? 

 

On 10/17/2024 at 7:55 PM, ProfD said:

 

Most Black folks aren't built to die for their freedom.

 

I guess the difference may be that Black people have a built in form of distrust.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Right. I have not had those encounters.

 

You rarely find someone over 40 who has never had a Spiritual encounter with a deceased relative.
They may not ACCEPT it as such and just dismiss the experience as part of their imagination or something else....but they DO experience it.

Have you atleast had vivid dreams about loved ones who've passed away?

 

 

As an agnostic, I personally don't believe any of it.

Again, I wrote *supposedly* based on what others choose to believe. I don't subscribe to it. 

 

Since that's the case; when it comes to judging human behavior or the lack there of....you really should be more aligned with MY position which is questioning societal standards of good/bad...lol.

Chev

I guess the difference may be that Black people have a built in form of distrust.

Perhaps that and.....

Quite frankly, a lot of Black folks are ENJOYING their lives under White rule and wouldn't want to end their "good thing" by getting into violent confrontations with them.
Especially when THEY don't see much of a chance of winning.
 

Something as simple as eating a pizza and watching a video game while smoking that fake weed...lol.

These are "luxuries" many young Black men ENJOY and wouldn't give up just to wage some undefined "war" against their "oppressors".

They don't want freedom, they just want an easier life and for their oppressor to be less brutal to them.

They don't want to BE the police...they just want the police to be less brutal towards them..
This is why so many would rather PROTEST the local police department instead of JOINING it.

[ProfD]

51 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You rarely find someone over 40 who has never had a Spiritual encounter with a deceased relative.
They may not ACCEPT it as such and just dismiss the experience as part of their imagination or something else....but they DO experience it.

Have you atleast had vivid dreams about loved ones who've passed away?

Nope.  I have no idea of why dead people don't fool with me.

51 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Since that's the case; when it comes to judging human behavior or the lack there of....you really should be more aligned with MY position which is questioning societal standards of good/bad...lol.

I apply the golden rule when it comes to human behavior.

 

People should treat each other as they want to be treated.   

 

It never fails to deliver constructive results.

 

Everything else I believe is based on questions and answers; reasoning and logic...whatever makes the most sense to me.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD


People should treat each other as they want to be treated. 

Some say you should treat people the way YOU want to be treated.

Others say you should treat people the way THEY want to be treated.

I say treat them like they NEED to be treated....lol.


I wouldn't want a person pulling out a baseball bat and shouting at me to "get out" of their house.
....and they don't need to.
When a friend starts yawning and says they gotta get up for work in the morning, I have sense enough to know that's my signal to leave....lol.

Some folks ain't got no sense and they NEED a different "treatment" than someone with common sense...lol
 

[Chevdove]

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps that and.....

Quite frankly, a lot of Black folks are ENJOYING their lives under White rule and wouldn't want to end their "good thing" by getting into violent confrontations with them.
Especially when THEY don't see much of a chance of winning.
 

Something as simple as eating a pizza and watching a video game while smoking that fake weed...lol.

 

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

These are "luxuries" many young Black men ENJOY and wouldn't give up just to wage some undefined "war" against their "oppressors".

 

Yes, I can see that!

But, I wonder too, if this is king of like a way to protect yourself, I mean, like settling for little things and adopting 'habits' because of settling for little pleasures just to avoid

oppression.

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They don't want freedom, they just want an easier life and for their oppressor to be less brutal to them.

 

I think they 'we' want freedom but some of us have given up on the reality of it ever happening, so we settle. 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some say you should treat people the way YOU want to be treated.

Others say you should treat people the way THEY want to be treated.

I say treat them like they NEED to be treated....lol.

There's no confusion when treating others as one (you) want to be treated.

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some folks ain't got no sense and they NEED a different "treatment" than someone with common sense...lol

Nobody deserves to be mistreated.

 

22 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

But, I wonder too, if this is king of like a way to protect yourself, I mean, like settling for little things and adopting 'habits' because of settling for little pleasures just to avoid oppression.

 

I think they 'we' want freedom but some of us have given up on the reality of it ever happening, so we settle. 

Compromise is usually the point of peace, comfort or surrender especially when there's no longer a desire to fight for it.

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

Yes, I can see that!

But, I wonder too, if this is king of like a way to protect yourself, I mean, like settling for little things and adopting 'habits' because of settling for little pleasures just to avoid
oppression.

 

Ofcourse.
It's human nature to try to make a difficult situation as easy and tolerable as you can.

If they don't know how to END their oppression, then they try to make it less painful.

 

That's understandable.

 

 

I think they 'we' want freedom but some of us have given up on the reality of it ever happening, so we settle. 

 

Oh sis....you'd be surprised at how many of our people DON'T want freedom.

They love it just the way it is.
As long as they continue to legalize weed and spray more of that sparkling shit on it and have free give aways so that they can get as high and go as crazy as they want.
And don't let a McDonalds or White Castle open up across the street from the weed shop.
....it's over

Some of these niggaz don't want freedom.
The just want a nicer, gentler, more loving master who will put more butter on their biscuits.

 

 

ProfD

There's no confusion when treating others as one (you) want to be treated.
 

But you CAN'T always treat people the way YOU want to be treated.

When I'm intimate with a woman I want her to open up and let me slide inside.
I don't want the same done to ME!!!!

I say, you treat people how they SHOULD be treated.


 

Nobody deserves to be mistreated.
 

I didn't say MIS-treated.
I said that some people need DIFFERENT treatment than others.

If you're giving them what they DESERVE....then it's not mistreating them.
 

Just like different medical conditions require different treatments.....
 

If you go to a medical professional with asthma, you wouldn't want him or her to treat you the same as he just finished treating someone who had genital herpes!

Talking about:

 

"Ooooh no!
We treat everybody the same when they walk through THESE doors.
Now DROP 'em"


Everybody should be treated ACCORDINGLY based primarily on their needs and deeds.

[ProfD]

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

When I'm intimate with a woman I want her to open up and let me slide inside.

I don't want the same done to ME!!!!

Surely, you're going in (pun intended) with the belief that she wants to please you as well. Quid pro quo.

 

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you're giving them what they DESERVE....then it's not mistreating them.

Slippery slope depending on who's determining what someone else deserves.

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just like different medical conditions require different treatments.....

Apples and oranges. 

 

Medical professionals take an oath to do no harm. They cannot purposefully prescribe the wrong meds.

 

The golden rule if practiced as it is written leaves no room for confusion.

[Chevdove]

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I think they 'we' want freedom but some of us have given up on the reality of it ever happening, so we settle. 

 

Oh sis....you'd be surprised at how many of our people DON'T want freedom.

They love it just the way it is.
As long as they continue to legalize weed and spray more of that sparkling shit on it and have free give aways so that they can get as high and go as crazy as they want.
And don't let a McDonalds or White Castle open up across the street from the weed shop.
....it's over

Some of these niggaz don't want freedom.
The just want a nicer, gentler, more loving master who will put more butter on their biscuits.

 

lol. 

I have to say that you are right. 

Complacency. 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Surely, you're going in (pun intended) with the belief that she wants to please you as well. Quid pro quo.

 

Maybe I'm being to technical with it but, it seems as if you're taking it from: TREATING people the way you want to be treated to MAKING PEOPLE FEEL the way you want to be felt.
 

I gave the illustration because obviously you can't treat everyone YOU want to be treated.

What YOU may want may be harmful or offensive to them.

That was my point.


 

Slippery slope depending on who's determining what someone else deserves.
 

Correct.
That can be said about most social situations.



 

Medical professionals take an oath to do no harm. They cannot purposefully prescribe the wrong meds.
 

They can't?
Somebody should have told Hitler and his Nazi doctors that when they were running experiments on and poisioning people by the thousands.



 

Chev

 

I have to say that you are right. 
 

I'm USUALLY right, lol.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Maybe I'm being to technical with it but, it seems as if you're taking it from: TREATING people the way you want to be treated to MAKING PEOPLE FEEL the way you want to be felt.

You're treating each other when it comes to the mattress mambo.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What YOU may want may be harmful or offensive to them.

That was my point.

The question remains would you want the same treatment.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They can't?
Somebody should have told Hitler and his Nazi doctors that when they were running experiments on and poisioning people by the thousands.

Clearly, they weren't bound to the hippocratic oath. Hitler wasn't a doctor either.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

The question remains would you want the same treatment.

 

The answer is I WOULD NOT want a woman to treat me like I treat HER.

Even prostate exams are uncomfortable.
One could only imaging what it would be like having a soul pole being slid in and out of you.

 

 

Clearly, they weren't bound to the hippocratic oath.

And how many doctors around this planet today do you think ARE actually bounds to and honor that oath?

You're doing harm when you prescribe a medicines that you know will cause side effects that are often times worse than the malady you're treating.

[ProfD]

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The answer is I WOULD NOT want a woman to treat me like I treat HER.

The disconnect here is that you're looking at treatment from a physical perspective literally.

 

In no way did I suggest allowing a woman to perform a prostate exam during a romp.

 

Most women wouldn't treat a man to a prostate massage unless she was highly experienced s8xually.

 

Otherwise, "Do unto others as you would would have them do unto you" is a metaphor for how humans should treat each other.

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

And how many doctors around this planet today do you think ARE actually bounds to and honor that oath?

Every doctor who takes the oath is bound to it.

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You're doing harm when you prescribe a medicines that you know will cause side effects that are often times worse than the malady you're treating.

Medications are prescribed to treat disease or sickness.

 

The side effects are revealed in accordance with the oath. 

 

Patients have every right to refuse to take any medication prescribed. That includes medical procedures too.

 

Plenty folks decide against disease treatments, surgeries and exams. We're not obligated to see doctors.

 

Men are notorious for making doctor visits a low or no priority.

 

Those types of people are perfectly fine with some combination of holistic approaches and letting nature take its course.

 

That mentality may not save a life but it does save some time and money.  

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Otherwise, "Do unto others as you would would have them do unto you" is a metaphor for how humans should treat each other.

 

There is no disconnect or misunderstanding, I know EXACTLY what you're saying.

It's what President Obama would call a "fundamental disagreement"

 

You believe that you should treat people the way YOU would like to be treated or make them feel the way YOU would like to feel....I don't.

I don't think some people DESERVE to be treated the way me or others are treated.
I don't think some people DESERVE to feel the way I or others feel.

 

 

 

Every doctor who takes the oath is bound to it.

 

Ok
And what material or substance is "binding" them to that oath and holding them to honor it?

 

In other words....
If they BREAK that oath, who's going to hold them accountable for their actions and what will the consequences be?

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

There is no disconnect or misunderstanding, I know EXACTLY what you're saying.

It's what President Obama would call a "fundamental disagreement"

Cool. We can agree to disagree even if it's fundamentally.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

And what material or substance is "binding" them to that oath and holding them to honor it?

 

In other words....

If they BREAK that oath, who's going to hold them accountable for their actions and what will the consequences be?

The law. Medical malpractice can be costly.

50 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I heard (read....lol) you the first time; did you see my response?

Just realized I double posted. Deleted duplicate.