The Interracial Reality: Are White Men Gaining Traction? :Observation On Sexual Racism

[Pioneer1]

I've noticed over the past 10 years or so not only is there a rise in Black female/ White male relationships.....but for the past year or so I've noticed that they have actually OVER TAKEN the Black male / White female relationships!

Maybe I'm just noticing it more but it appears that now in 2024 in the public places I've been, there are MORE Sistaz running around with White dudes than Bruthaz running around with White women.
 
This is a huge problem in my opinion for a number of reasons..........

[ProfD]

Sistas aren't going to wait around on brothas forever to get their sh8t together.

 

Also, sistas aren't going to compete with each other for the handful of available Black dudes that are firing on all cylinders and established. 

 

Otherwise, the interracial thing has been heavy both ways for a long time especially in certain parts of the country.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Sistas aren't going to wait around on brothas forever to get their sh8t together.

 

Also, sistas aren't going to compete with each other for the handful of available Black dudes that are firing on all cylinders and established. 

 

Otherwise, the interracial thing has been heavy both ways for a long time especially in certain parts of the country

 

 

I hear (read...lol) what you're saying but.....

 

1. A LOT of bruthaz have got their shit together.
But the sistaz ain't choosing on them for one reason or another.

 

At work and in my neighborhood I've met over a dozen heterosexual intelligent working young AfroAmerican men and they are telling me they have so many problems with women.

Why?

Why are so many healthy virile young Black men having ANY problems with the opposite sex when they are the epitome of masculinity?

Back in the 80s  and 90s it was White men who were having trouble getting and keeping women, now all of a sudden you almost rarely see a lonely White dude.
Either he's gay with a partner or straight with a woman....of any race he chooses.

Something is going on in this society.

 

2. There aren't just a "handful" of Black men out there but MILLIONS.
There's no shortage of available Black men.
Any and everywhere you go in this nation there are Black men driving and walking around and most of them are NOT married and most of them are working; but I don't see women chasing after them like they did in the 80s and 90s.

...again, something weird is going on.
 

I don't see White women chasing after and hitting on Black men like they were in the 70s and 80s.

 

3. Yes, interracial dating has been heavy in different parts of the nation for a long time but it was MOSTLY Black men with White women.
I've been all over this nation and I didn't see MANY Black women with White men until about 15 or maybe 10 years ago when it really started to take off.

There has to be a reason why?
 

I think our sistaz and women of color in general are literally being brain-washed or conditioned to find White men attractive.

 

I'm serious.

 

Although a lot of bruthaz do fuck shit...women are genetically hardwired to find certain traits attractive in men and Black men tend to dominate in those traits regardless of their other negative behaviors.
Being tough, physically strong, sexually promiscuous....are things most women DO find attractive and always have.
So why would it all of a sudden NOW turn women off and drive them away???
 

No, something else is going on.

You may think this is ridiculous but I don't think it's what Black men are doing that's turning off a lot of women, I truly believe they are being subconsciously programed through subliminal images or something influencing their attractions.

That, and many if not most foreign women are being told NOT to have any type of sexual relationship with Black American men.

[ProfD]

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Why are so many healthy virile young Black men having ANY problems with the opposite sex when they are the epitome of masculinity?

Hard to know without talking to the dudes. Maybe they are lame in one way or three.

 

I know dudes who have great careers and stay in gym making sure they're buffed.

 

Yet, a conversation with these cats reveals why they're alone. They're not women magnets.

 

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Being tough, physically strong, sexually promiscuous....are things most women DO find attractive and always have.
So why would it all of a sudden NOW turn women off and drive them away???

Many Black women are buying into the feminist mentality that thay they don't need toxic masculinity.

 

White men might seem like a safer bet.

 

Also, Black women believing they can be  head of household Is leaving them without a Black man. 

 

Otherwise, I guess it depends on where you live. Around these parts, established dudes have pick of the litter.

 

A dude's woman problem here is not having enough time to accommodate them.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Hard to know without talking to the dudes. Maybe they are lame in one way or three.

 

No, these are solid young bruthaz.
Straight, made right, working, most of them have vehicles.
All of them can hold a conversation.

 

I will say that most of them are hesitant to approach women though and I think it's a generational thing.

Most of them grew up with and around White dudes and among White people "online dating" is the big thing.
 

 

 

Yet, a conversation with these cats reveals why they're alone. They're not women magnets.

 

Unless a Black man is semi-retarded or deformed, if he's normal looking and in shape...that ALONE should make him a woman magnet...in my opinion.

There shouldn't be THAT many barriers and obstacles to overcome in order to gain the attention and attraction of the women in your community.
Again, something is wrong.
 

 

Many Black women are buying into the feminist mentality that thay they don't need toxic masculinity.

 

I understand this.
So why aren't most of the Latina or Asian women buying into it when they too are living in the same society as the Black American woman are?

Access to the same information.

It appears that many Latina women MAKE IT A POINT to hold on to and support their men in public as if to tell the world how proud they are of him.
Even if he looks like a BEETLE with a goatee....she'll do it for him.
Black men tend to be more masculine than Latino men and definitely more masculine than Asian men, it appears our masculinity should COMMAND more public displays of loyalty and affection from our women. 

 

 

 

 

Also, Black women believing they can be  head of household Is leaving them without a Black man. 

 

Again, the question is why aren't Latina and Asian and even young White women having these vary same beliefs?

Also, why are the same Black women who DON'T want a Black man being head of the household....WELCOMING White men to be the head??

 

I've seen sistaz who cussed and hung out all night and were straight up hood rats CHANGE OVER NIGHT when they got a White boyfriend or husband.
It wasn't a religious conversion either.

On the rare occasions I asked one what happened, they'll look at me grinning and say they stopped acting like that because "her man" doesn't like for her to behave that way.

WTF??????

Again, Black men tend to be far more masculine than these other men but for some reason many aren't commanding the same respect from women.
This is why I believe something subliminal is going on.

I don't think it has to do with having a job or baby mamas or other garbage being put out in the media, I think it's much deeper than that.

Even when it's CLEAR that a Black man doesn't fit that profile...many of them aren't getting it.

 

 

Otherwise, I guess it depends on where you live. Around these parts, established dudes have pick of the litter.

 

I've been around the nation these past 15 years bro, I've seen certain patterns.

I was down in Atlanta before the Pandemic and saw PLENTY of hillbilly looking White men with beards running around holding hands with Black women....while Black men were holding hands with EACHOTHER.

White men almost DRAGGING sistaz through the mall and down the street  by the hand while they're grinning and trying to keep up.
Meanwhile bruthaz standing around against a wall with hoods over their heads smoking weed and looking goofy.

Atlanta 2018.

Something is wrong.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

ost of them grew up with and around White dudes and among White people "online dating" is the big thing.

Social media has been a huge influence on how younger folks communicate. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

So why aren't most of the Latina or Asian women buying into it when they too are living in the same society as the Black American woman are?

Access to the same information.

Culture plays a huge role in how other groups of people interact.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

...it appears our masculinity should COMMAND more public displays of loyalty and affection from our women. 

The dominant society is trying to turn Black women against Black men. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, why are the same Black women who DON'T want a Black man being head of the household....WELCOMING White men to be the head??

Many Black folks see white folks as being superior to them.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I was down in Atlanta before the Pandemic and saw PLENTY of hillbilly looking White men with beards running around holding hands with Black women....while Black men were holding hands with EACHOTHER.

ATL seems to be the capital of gay Black dudes. 

 

There's definitely something wrong and a program at work.

 

The question is what can Black men do to fix it.

[Troy]

On 10/20/2024 at 9:35 PM, Pioneer1 said:

now all of a sudden you almost rarely see a lonely White dude.

You ever heard of InCels?

 

On 10/20/2024 at 10:09 PM, ProfD said:

A dude's woman problem here is not having enough time to accommodate them.

“I got 99 problems…” Sounds like the issue is regional. Send like in places like NYC, ATL, DC a minimally motivated decent brother should have no problem finding a woman. 
 

 

 

 

 

[richardmurray]

well there was a time in the usa, the white male/black female partnerships were larger than ever after. Just in case anyone doesnt know i am speaking about blacks complete enslavement to whites in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it.

 

The usa has a combined human populace of over 300 millions which means ten percent is a solid 30 million. 30 million interracial relationships including : muslim with jew/black with white/asian with european and similar seems like a lot but it isn't. In NYC you always see all sorts of interracial relationships but they are never more than the mono racial, not even close, 90% of relationships are black with black/white with white/christian with christian or one with the same.  I think you see in very particular demographic zones examples against the norm and again , like white people who also complain about interracial relationships alot, what i see are a group of people whether they be black or non black in the usa, who seem to like to cry danger when they perceive more interracial relationships than they can stand, which is funny cause the usa  which is the most multiracial populace in humanity and quite large, over three hundred million. And ad d the fact that interracial relationships were the most plentiful during enslavement more than any time after, which produced tons of children... well, i think many in the usa are in simple denial about the truth of the usa or its parts. 

19 hours ago, Troy said:

You ever heard of InCels?

thank you @Troy the real topic in this post for me is perception to interracial relationships not their true condition. And again, what i see is a black person who joins his non black brethren who like to suggest their populace is being whittled or lessened by a growing quantity of interracial relationships that is simply not true.  

oh and please troy check your emails ok:) 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Social media has been a huge influence on how younger folks communicate. 

 

So much so it's actually destroying (or evolving...depending on how you look at it) the common vernacular...lol.

 

I'm hearing a lot of White folks sound "Black" in the way they communicate.

Talking about "baby mammas" and "where you at"....lol.

 

 

 

Culture plays a huge role in how other groups of people interact.

 

True.
And both Latino and most Asian cultures are steeped in racism and xenophobia.

 

 

ATL seems to be the capital of gay Black dudes. 

 

I would agree.
And from what I heard, D.C. is a close second....lol.

 

 

 

The question is what can Black men do to fix it.

 

The first step is acknowledging that there is a problem.
....something most Black men don't want to do, especially when it comes to sex and attracting women.

 

Most don't want to admit that they AREN'T attracting the women that they'd like to.

 

It's like admitting  that their dick is too small or something...lol...it would be the LAST thing they'd admit to even if they knew it was true.

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

You ever heard of InCels?

 

Yeah, and they used to be nearly all White.
You never heard of a Black InCel, until about 10 or so years ago and now you have PLENTY of bruthaz walking around lonely.

 

They just don't call themselves that.

 

White men improved on their game by getting online and ADMITTING that they were having problems getting and keeping women.
It spawned a lot of internet social groups like Pick-up Artists and sites that specialized in Online Dating apps and over-seas brides and hook ups.

 

Black men are too proud to do that.
We make songs about having "ho's in different area codes" and how our cell phones are overflowing with these ladies calling us up and sending picture.

However when I go to a public place like a shopping mall or grocery store, most of the Black men I see are walking alone while most of the White and Latino men are walking with women and families.

 

All of this bragging ain't adding up in 2024...lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

richardmurray

 

 

30 million interracial relationships including : muslim with jew/black with white/asian with european and similar seems like a lot but it isn't.

 

You consider Muslims with Jews an "interracial" relationship???

 

 

And again, what i see is a black person who joins his non black brethren who like to suggest their populace is being whittled or lessened by a growing quantity of interracial relationships that is simply not true.  

 

If this is true.....
The difference would be that the Black person you speak of (I wonder who that is referring too...lol) would be CORRECT in suggesting that White men scooping up Black women is on the rise AND it's whittling and lessening our population....while the "non Black brethren" who believe this are being somewhat paranoid and over the edge.

 

But as paranoid as these non Black peoples are....they are smart enough to SENSE and ACKNOWLEDGE a potential problem and threat before it materializes.

 

Our people could learn a lesson or two from this.

Don't sit up and wait UNTIL Whites and Asians snatch up all of the sistaz not only in the U.S. but in Africa too....THEN all of a sudden niggaz want to do a Youtube video crying and lamenting over it.

Which some are starting to do right now.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

42 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ATL seems to be the capital of gay Black dudes. 

 

I would agree.
And from what I heard, D.C. is a close second....lol.

Both cities have no shortage of sistas. A buffet for heterosexual brothas.

[Pioneer1]

19 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Both cities have no shortage of sistas. A buffet for heterosexual brothas.

It doesn't matter HOW many sistaz there are nor the ratio, if the sistaz ain't CHOOSIN' up on the bruthaz.

Yes there are plenty of sistaz.
Sitting at the table by themselves IGNORING most of the Black men who come past them.

And no, I'm not talking about ME or MY PERSONAL experiences but what I've WITNESSED in public and also based on what young Black men and many Black women are telling me.

Not sure what society yall live in where Black women are chasing Black men around like they were in the 80s and 90s because it's not in America in 2024.

I've been to D.C. AND Atlanta and Black women are NOT choosing up on most bruthaz like that.
And I'm talking about Black American women.

We won't even get into how the Ethiopian and Eritrean women there in the DMV area are treating Black men....lol.
We'll leave that alone...lol.

No sir.
Bruthaz over 40 need to get their minds out of what they saw waaaay back in 1995 while they were up in the club listening to Tupac and Jodeci, and look at the CURRENT reality and the sexual/racial dynamics of today.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not sure what society yall live in where Black women are chasing Black men around like they were in the 80s and 90s because it's not in America in 2024.

I've been to D.C. AND Atlanta and Black women are NOT choosing up on most bruthaz like that.
And I'm talking about Black American women.

My reality is different. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

We won't even get into how the Ethiopian and Eritrean women there in the DMV area are treating Black men....lol.
We'll leave that alone...lol.

DMV dudes don't really have to go after  African and West Indian women. 

 

AfroAmerican women are plentiful around here. Well built dudes don't have a problem pulling them.

[Chevdove]

On 10/20/2024 at 8:37 PM, Pioneer1 said:

This is a huge problem in my opinion for a number of reasons..........

 

Inter-racial relationships have endured a lot of challenges here in America for hundreds of years either way. 

I think economics has a lot to do with how these relationships occur.

If there is a big change now in White men going into relationships with Black women, I wonder how the economic aspect affects this trend. 

Also, I wonder too about the extended family and how the older parents view these relationships.

 

 

There is one couple that i have followed for  awhile now because their blog is hilarious. 

And it does seem like a  new trend from the past. I honestly do not believe that they would have a great relationship though, if their parents (White parents) did 

not accept it. I think that the parents have a lot to do with the success. 

Even with VP Harris, especially, I think that there is something significant on a much deeper level going on today when it comes to Black women being sought for marriage relationships with White men. But, I don't think it is a major problem, however, I can see how it would be viewed as a big problem from certain perspectives especially due to the foundation of how America formed! It could be seen as complete irony in that the foundation of America is based on Black women/white men relations under forced enslavement for the purpose of rape and giving birth and now today, its occurring by consent but for the same reasons of giving birth to progeny. 

 

In the past, these relationships did not occur due to love but it was for lust and for the purpose of giving birth and now today, it is by consent on both sides. 

idk, but I have to ponder this for a while. I've never really thought about it on this level until now and reading this post. 

 

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

 

Here's a few #Shorts of an inter-racial couple and their extended family.

She is from Kenya, and I think he is from California.

She is so pretty. 

They remind me of 'I Love Lucy' show. They are hilarious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Inter-racial relationships have endured a lot of challenges here in America for hundreds of years either way. 

Interracial relationships are tolerated here in the US.  They will never have the equivalent of a Pride parade like the alphabet soup community.

[harry brown]

Black. Men. Athletes. Some. Worship. White. Women. ...Some. Black. Men. Entertainers. ....Worship. White. Women......Some. Of. Them. Seem. To. Hate. Black. Women. And. Their. Black. Race. .....Rappers. Calling. Black. Women. Vile. Evil. Names. In. Rap. Songs. .....

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

My reality is different. 

 

Is it that our Realities are different; or is it our PERSPECTIVES  of the SAME Reality that's actually different?

 

 

DMV dudes don't really have to go after  African and West Indian women. 

 

Probably because they've realized that like most places around the nation...most Black American men don't have much of a chance with them.

You don't see a lot of Black men hollering at Arab and Indian (from India) women either although many of them are attractive and have nice bodies that Black men like.
Why not?
Is it that Black American men simply don't find them attractive, or is it that our bruthaz have been TRAINED since childhood that they are "less than" these women and shouldn't dare even think about trying to bang one.

....even though Arab men hit on Black women all day long.


As far as non-FBA Black women......

 

There are PLENTY of pretty and sexy African and West Indian women  in the D.C. area so don't tell me the bruthaz don't see them and wouldn't want to slide up in them if given a chance.
Problem is they aren't GETTING  too many chances because many of these woman have made it CLEAR that they aren't trying to have sex with Black American men.

Why beat a dead horse?

So bruthaz chase after easy game like Black American women and CERTAIN White women.

 

 
AfroAmerican women are plentiful around here. Well built dudes don't have a problem pulling them.

 

Define "well built".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chev

 

I think economics has a lot to do with how these relationships occur.

If there is a big change now in White men going into relationships with Black women, I wonder how the economic aspect affects this trend. 

Economics is a HUGE factor.

The vast majority of women of color who date and marry White men obviously do it because of their money and status.

This is one of the reasons I celebrate women's empowerment.

I'm not just saying that because you're a woman but because I know when women are making their own money and have control over their lives then THEY can choose who they want to have sex with whether it's a man of another race or even another woman if that's their inclination.
But atleast THEY get to decide...not a bunch of men who hold control over them.

 

So-called "traditional" cultures don't allow that.
Their idea of "family values" means keeping women subdued and maintaining control over who they sleep with...usually for racist reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

Even with VP Harris, especially, I think that there is something significant on a much deeper level going on today when it comes to Black women being sought for marriage relationships with White men. 
 

With Harris, part of her appeal to the White racist Establishment is the MESSAGE it sends to young Black girls that if you want to make it in life and be successful...leave them niggaz alone and hook up with a soft quiet White man who'll stand by your side while you make power moves.

 

 

 

 

In the past, these relationships did not occur due to love but it was for lust and for the purpose of giving birth and now today, it is by consent on both sides. 

 

I have to put "consent" in quotes because I believe Black women and most women of color are being brainwashed and psychologically programmed through subliminal messages to find White men attractive.

It's not quite on the level of drugging...but close.
 

idk, but I have to ponder this for a while. I've never really thought about it on this level until now and reading this post. 

 

Lol....
This is one of the reasons I make posts like these.

To bring things like this to people's attention they may not ordinarily pay attention to.

 

You RARELY hear a Black man complain about White men snatching up Black women.
We act like everything's cool and no problem.

 

A nigga can be homeless on the street with no home, no job, and no woman to sooth him, no respect from the world....but he's "cool" and still walking with a strut.

A time is going to have to come when Black men stop acting "cool" and start raising sand about the injustices they are facing economically, politically, and socially.

Shit.....
It took Black men over 30 years to finally realize all of these Latinos pouring into the country by the millions snatching up jobs and certain other opportunities were a threat to Black economics and will soon be a political threat.

A lot of our bruthaz are slow to wake up and that's a problem.

 

[ProfD]

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is it that our Realities are different; or is it our PERSPECTIVES  of the SAME Reality that's actually different?

When it comes to women, my reality is different. No problems whatsoever. 

 

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Define "well built".

A well built man doesn't have the problems outlined when it comes to pulling any type of woman.

 

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

 Economics is a HUGE factor.

Surely. A man's ability to take care of a woman on all levels is a factor that adds to his attractiveness.

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You RARELY hear a Black man complain about White men snatching up Black women.
We act like everything's cool and no problem.

Black men can't complain about Black women getting snatched up by other men especially if they cannot 1) afford to provide for and 2) protect them.

 

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of our bruthaz are slow to wake up and that's a problem.

Many of thosenn brothas don't care about the *problems*. They might be doing just enough to get by and/or trying to live off a woman.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

When it comes to women, my reality is different. No problems whatsoever.

 

Oh, so since YOU don't have problems with women....I guess everything is alright then, lol.
End of discussion.

 

Unfortunately, what YOU may consider YOUR "reality" isn't necessarily the same "reality" for many of our other brothers.

 

There are over 20 million Black men in this nation.
Most of them have problems that they need to deal with and solved.
Some are women problems, others health problems, others legal problems, and others a combination of all 3.
 

Just because YOU aren't having problems with women, doesn't mean none of the other 20+ million bruthaz aren't.

Just because YOU may live in a nice house, doesn't mean the other 20+ million bruthaz are.

Just because YOU may drive a nice vehicle, doesn't mean the other 20+ million bruthaz are rolling around in one too.

It's good to hear it when a Black man is doing well.
 

However some of us have to look out for and speak up for the bruthaz who ARE having problems and help them SOLVE those problems.
 

 

BTW....
I remember you saying something about you being dark skinned or very dark.

As a kid growing up and even today to a certain extent, a lot of dark skinned Black men face discrimination when it comes to dating and sex not only from other non-Black women but from even Black and AfroAmerican women.
 

Are you saying YOU never experienced that?

 

 

 

 

 

A well built man doesn't have the problems outlined when it comes to pulling any type of woman.

 

I asked you to please define "well built".

And I'll also ask, how many Black American men fit that description?
Or rather, of ALL of the Black men that you know...how many or what percentage would you say fits the description?

 

 

Surely. A man's ability to take care of a woman on all levels is a factor that adds to his attractiveness.

 

As it should.

 

 

 

Black men can't complain about Black women getting snatched up by other men especially if they cannot 1) afford to provide for and 2) protect them.

Oh we can complain....lol.
Even if the complaints aren't justified and are made out of pure jealousy....a man can still complain.
White men did it and often STILL do it.

 

But in this case, I think MY complaint is valid because of the deceptive and underhanded REASONS that White men are snatching up so many Black women.

It's not "boy meets girl".

They are using the justice system, drugs, the media, the educational system, employment and job security, even social services to link themselves up with Black women and get sex from them either by choice or by basic "bribery" or using subliminal messages in the media to influence them.

We don't have as many resources to do the same to their women or even Black American women.
Most Black men have to rely on good old fashioned SEX and being good in bed to keep most women "on our jock".

 

 

 

 

 

Many of thosenn brothas don't care about the *problems*. They might be doing just enough to get by and/or trying to live off a woman.

 

Those gigolo days have nearly ended for most of these bruthaz from what I can see.
I don't see bruthaz living off of women like so many did back in the 80s and 90s.  
Maybe it's because I'm older and not as "involved" in what a lot of the younger people are doing.
The vast majority of Black men who ARE living with women of any race are working and pulling their weight today.

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Oh, so since YOU don't have problems with women....I guess everything is alright then, lol.
End of discussion.

Slow down homie...I thought you asked about my reality/perspective. 

 

I'm keenly aware of the plight of our brothas. I know what it takes to overcome it too.

 

I have no problems jumping in my truck, pulling up in my old hood and chopping it up with brothas who are willing to listen.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I remember you saying something about you being dark skinned or very dark.

As a kid growing up and even today to a certain extent, a lot of dark skinned Black men face discrimination when it comes to dating and sex not only from other non-Black women but from even Black and AfroAmerican women.
 

Are you saying YOU never experienced that?

Being dark-skinned was never a liability for me. Keep in mind that I was born and raised in a chocolate city.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I asked you to please define "well built".

A well-built Black man can take care of himself, loved ones and whoever else he so chooses.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And I'll also ask, how many Black American men fit that description?

According to the late Kevin Samuels, only a  very small percentage of brothas qualify.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Or rather, of ALL of the Black men that you know...how many or what percentage would you say fits the description?

Folks usually attract and/or associate with others built like themselves. 

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We don't have as many resources to do the same to their women or even Black American women.

Right. Black men have to work 10 times harder in order to be successful. It's not impossible. 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most Black men have to rely on good old fashioned SEX and being good in bed to keep most women "on our jock".

That's always temporary. It eventually gets old and the woman rolls out.

 

A Black man who is attractive, intelligent, has money and physical endowment has even more fun with all types of women. He has to get rid of them.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those gigolo days have nearly ended for most of these bruthaz from what I can see.

Old dudes age out of the gigolo program. When everything starts to fail (looks, physical ability, mouth piece, etc.) they end up living with family member(s) or friends or in a nursing home.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't see bruthaz living off of women like so many did back in the 80s and 90s.  

Some of the young n8gglets are leaving their momma's house and living off a woman who's willing to take care of him just like his momma did with added benefits.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The vast majority of Black men who ARE living with women of any race are working and pulling their weight today

Sure. When men reach a certain age, they gotta bring more to the table than looks, slick talk, d8ck game and bubblegum.

 

Grown azz women got problems and needs that require finances. Younger women will figure it out sooner than later.

 

As Black men, we have to stay in the proverbial gym in order to get our weight up and keep it there.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Slow down homie...I thought you asked about my reality/perspective. 

 

I don't recall asking you about YOUR Reality and how easy it was to pull women in it.

I maintained that for the purposes of this discussion, we as Black men in the U.S. today may have different perspectives based on our different situations, but we are in the SAME Reality.

And IN this same Reality, while some Black men may EASILY attract women....others are finding it increasingly difficult.

I actually believe this is ONE of the main reasons for the growing LGBTQIA+ phenomena in our community today.
So many bruthaz are having such a hard time trying to attract women and get sex that many of them have essentially GIVEN UP on trying to do so or even be a MAN at this point.
 

 

 

 

I'm keenly aware of the plight of our brothas. I know what it takes to overcome it too.

 

Well, you know what it takes for YOU to overcome some of YOUR problems, but not necessarily the problems of most of our other brothers.
I'm not saying that to be argumentative; but simply reminding you of how complex the situation is and how we shouldn't be so dismissive of their issues as if they can just pull up their pants and solve them overnight.

 

I've repeatedly said in this thread that the enemy is using SUBLIMINAL messaging in the media to try to condition the thinking of people, especially women of all backgrounds into finding THEM attractive and finding AfroAmerican men UNattractive.

This is very deep and it affects how we get along with eachother in order to establish much of our success.

 

 

 

 

 
Being dark-skinned was never a liability for me. Keep in mind that I was born and raised in a chocolate city.

 

That should have made it worse...lol.

Like I said, I'm what some would call light skinned so I didn't experience too much color discrimination from my own.
....and I'm not THAT light.
So I didn't get the "yella boy" insults either, that some very light skinned dudes got...lol.

But what I did notice was that as a kid, often times a very dark skinned person would have a harder time around other AfroAmerican kids than around White kids who tended to see ALL Black kids as the same...lol.

 

I went to a White school in the suburbs for 2 years and noticed that the dark skinned AfroAmerican and African students didn't get picked on because of their actual skin tone like they did when they were in the Black schools.
They had their issues...but THAT didn't seem to be one of them.

 

In the Black schools...dark skinned kids were often clowned on.
Especially if they had other African features like thick lips or wide nose or very kinky hair to go along with them.

 

 

 

 

 

A well-built Black man can take care of himself, loved ones and whoever else he so chooses.

 

Uhh....
Ok, I read what you're saying and like Neely Fuller Jr. would say, maybe I'm not asking the question correctly.

I'm asking you to define what a "well built" Black man is and you keep telling me about his abilities.

Those abilities are very vague.

I was asking for a more descriptive definition of what makes the man himself "well built"....not what his being one allows him to do.

But if that's all there is too it, then.....ok.

 

 

 

 

According to the late Kevin Samuels, only a  very small percentage of brothas qualify

Ok..
Now we're getting somewhere!

So only SMALL PERCENTAGE of bruthaz qualify for what you're describing as a well built brutha who is attractive enough to pull and maintain these women.

So this helps PROVE MY POINT that AfroAmerican men in general aren't being considered very attractive in this society.

 

So where are all of these Black men that you speak of who have so much "game" that they have to fight the ladies off of them????

If MOST Black men aren't attracting women like that, isn't this a problem????

And on top of that, should that even matter to women who ONLY want a big dick or a good lay-down in the bedroom???
Yet many of THESE women aren't choosing on Black American men anymore.

 

 

 

 

Right. Black men have to work 10 times harder in order to be successful. It's not impossible. 

 

No it's not impossible.
However if Black men have to work 10 times harder to be successful....then MOST will not do it.

 

If what you say is true, then the ability to do that work takes TIME and ENERGY.
Theoretically a Black man would need 10 times the amount of time and energy that a White man has to reach the same goals.
This is totally unfair and will not do.

 

This is why we need to change/dismantle the system OR develop our own system so that WE can be just as and MORE Successful than White men.

We've seen this in sports, music, and other forms of entertainment.  In the White man's world...when we go "off script" and do our own thing...that when we as Black men usually find Success.

 

 

 

 

 

A Black man who is attractive, intelligent, has money and physical endowment has even more fun with all types of women. He has to get rid of them.

 

True!
But again, how many Black men fits this description?

If only a fraction of bruthas fit that description, and THAT'S the only way he can get women....then that's a problem.

 

Like I said before, 30 years ago and prior Black men didn't need ALL of that just to get a good woman or wife.
He just needed to be physically and mentally NORMAL and have a job...and he was set.
He had plenty of women to choose from.
Not that he could get EVERY woman he wanted, but he had plenty to choose FROM.

 

That's not the case now.

Simply being of sound body and mind with a job, home, and vehicle doesn't seem to be enough for most Black men to attract multiple women like they used to.

This is a MAJOR problem.

 

As far as the sex goes.....

 

As much as we talk about the financial part and how being financially stable attracts most women....this is true.
However at the end of the day, there's always a PERCENTAGE of women in all racial and ethnic groups who don't care about a man's finances as long as he has...excuse my language...some GOOD DICK.

 

These are facts.

He can be broke as hell, but as long as he can lay that pipe good in bed...he's good.

If a man is good in bed, he should be able to find women in ANY race willing to give him a chance because there's nympho-maniacs in every race.

 

Now why do I bring this up?

Because AfroAmerican men are WELL KNOWN for being well endowed and good in bed and yet this STILL prevents women of other races and nationalities from f'ing with them.

 

Why?

Not being "well built" or a good father or having a criminal record and these other excuses so many other races and nationalities come up with for not loving Black American men DOES NOT MATTER when it comes to having a big dick and being able to give a woman multiple orgasm.

 

For women who are ONLY looking for this...they know who can do it for them.
Yet they STILL aren't choosing on Black men for the most part.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

 

So that means SOMETHING ELSE is going on that's more nefarious because it's interfering with human nature.

If even NYMPO's of other racial groups and even many Black women from Africa and the Caribbean are too and even many BLACK AMERICAN women who are nympho's are starting to avoid Black American men in favor of White dudes....something serious is going on here.

 

Instead of laying back on the couch claiming that everything is alright and bragging about how much game SOME small percentage of bruthaz got...

We need to get to the bottom of this before it get out of hand.

I want to see MOST of my bruthaz Successful.
Not just financially but politically, socially, and sexually.

[ProfD]

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I maintained that for the purposes of this discussion, we as Black men in the U.S. today may have different perspectives based on our different situations, but we are in the SAME Reality.

Gotcha. I crossed the wires.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I was asking for a more descriptive definition of what makes the man himself "well built"....not what his being one allows him to do.

But if that's all there is too it, then.....ok.

I believe you already know the qualities that make a man well buit. If not, it's best to ask women.

 

Hopefully one of our sistas will chime in on this thread. Right now, it's just 2 dudes yapping.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

So where are all of these Black men that you speak of who have so much "game" that they have to fight the ladies off of them????

The small percentage of them are scattered everywhere. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If MOST Black men aren't attracting women like that, isn't this a problem????

Most isn't the norm in any aspect of society. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

And on top of that, should that even matter to women who ONLY want a big dick or a good lay-down in the bedroom???

We'll have to let the women answer that question. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

No it's not impossible.

However if Black men have to work 10 times harder to be successful....then MOST will not do it.

Right. They have to accept the reality that comes with it.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is why we need to change/dismantle the system OR develop our own system so that WE can be just as and MORE Successful than White men.

It isn't really necessary to create a system that makes it easier for the average Black men to have access to more women. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

We've seen this in sports, music, and other forms of entertainment.  In the White man's world...when we go "off script" and do our own thing...that when we as Black men usually find Success.

Actually, the white man still pays them..

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like I said before, 30 years ago and prior Black men didn't need ALL of that just to get a good woman or wife.

 

Simply being of sound body and mind with a job, home, and vehicle doesn't seem to be enough for most Black men to attract multiple women like they used to.

 

This is a MAJOR problem.

It's still true today.

 

Finding a good woman or wife is different from having easy access to s8x with a buffet of women. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If a man is good in bed, he should be able to find women in ANY race willing to give him a chance because there's nympho-maniacs in every race.

Your argument seems to be conflating good women to settle down with and women for s8x.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now why do I bring this up?

Because AfroAmerican men are WELL KNOWN for being well endowed and good in bed and yet this STILL prevents women of other races and nationalities from f'ing with them.

Culture has a lot to do with Black men not having easy access to women of other races and nationalities. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

For women who are ONLY looking for this...they know who can do it for them.
Yet they STILL aren't choosing on Black men for the most part.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Understood.  I still think women would he better addressing that part of your argument. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If even NYMPO's of other racial groups and even many Black women from Africa and the Caribbean are too and even many BLACK AMERICAN women who are nympho's are starting to avoid Black American men in favor of White dudes....something serious is going on here.

Again, women would have to validate that concern. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I want to see MOST of my bruthaz Successful.

Not just financially but politically, socially, and sexually.

Good luck finding an alternative to helping the brothas get there.

[Chevdove]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:07 PM, harry brown said:

Black. Men. Athletes. Some. Worship. White. Women. ...Some. Black. Men. Entertainers. ....Worship. White. Women......Some. Of. Them. Seem. To. Hate. Black. Women. And. Their. Black. Race. .....Rappers. Calling. Black. Women. Vile. Evil. Names. In. Rap. Songs. .....

 

Yes! America is a confusion! 

And I think that this is a conditioning that goes way back in time. And, it's been my experience though, that there are many Black men that think this way, but not all. There are some Black men that like White women but don't base it on hate. They don't hate black women and decide to go after White women for this reason. But the ones that do this on the basis of hate, many of them have Black mothers!!! So therefore, I think this kind of hate is a serious conundrum. 

 

It goes both ways imo. It's 50-50. Some Black women hate Black men too and date out of the 'race' based on this kind of hatred, however, I think this kind of Black Hatred goes really deep. It has deep roots. 

 

 

On 10/23/2024 at 8:25 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not just saying that because you're a woman but because I know when women are making their own money and have control over their lives then THEY can choose who they want to have sex with whether it's a man of another race or even another woman if that's their inclination.
But atleast THEY get to decide...not a bunch of men who hold control over them.

 

Yes @Pioneer1 I think that this is not an issue of Colorism and maybe not even genderism. White women and other kinds of women have also been severely oppressed by the males of their culture and today, many of them seek other kinds of men or relationships due to this kind of oppression now that economy has caused them to be able to break free and make their own decision on who they want to have sex with. IMO this is also not 'women empowerment' or freedom of choice, but it is all based on a deeper level of governmental power and control. But in regards to genderism, here is what Meryl Streep said about oppressed women in another part of the world.

 

 

 

 

On 10/23/2024 at 8:25 PM, Pioneer1 said:

o-called "traditional" cultures don't allow that.
Their idea of "family values" means keeping women subdued and maintaining control over who they sleep with...usually for racist reasons.

 

 

 

idk, I think it could be based on racist reasons, but perhaps it's also connected to male dominance due to certain males wanted to have their offspring be born like them, their racial identity, and they don't want their women giving birth to children that have 'black blood' or other kinds of genetics of people they hate. So in terms of racist reason, yes,, absolutely it is based on that, but mainly it is about identity. So some men dominate their women for this kind of issue, even though, yes, it is wrong to do in how they resort to violence and stripping their women from human rights. 

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 10/23/2024 at 8:25 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Even with VP Harris, especially, I think that there is something significant on a much deeper level going on today when it comes to Black women being sought for marriage relationships with White men. 
 

With Harris, part of her appeal to the White racist Establishment is the MESSAGE it sends to young Black girls that if you want to make it in life and be successful...leave them niggaz alone and hook up with a soft quiet White man who'll stand by your side while you make power moves.

 

 

 

 

In the past, these relationships did not occur due to love but it was for lust and for the purpose of giving birth and now today, it is by consent on both sides. 

 

I have to put "consent" in quotes because I believe Black women and most women of color are being brainwashed and psychologically programmed through subliminal messages to find White men attractive.

It's not quite on the level of drugging...but close.
 

 

 

 

Okay, so it sounds like being brainwashed?

 

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I want to see MOST of my bruthaz Successful.

Not just financially but politically, socially, and sexually.

Good luck finding an alternative to helping the brothas get there.

 

 

Well, I think that we need to go to the table on this issue and do some research, otherwise, we will continue to repeat a cycle.

Think about what @harry brown just posted in this very thread!

 

If Black men get wealthy and a lot of them have developed a hatred against Black women, tear down Black women, then why would it matter if they get successful?

That just doesn't make sense to me and vice versa. If Black women on a wide scale become economically successful and most of them seek relationships outside of their culture, then how will that help our culture? That just does not make sense to me. 

 

I am for inter-racial relationships and believe that to some degree, it is kind of like a high acknowledgement and adds great support to both cultures, but on the other hand, the Black American culture still has some terrible wounds from the past and so, if most of us are seeking relationships outside of our culture, it will eventually be a negative aspect and tear down the culture. So while, I do think it is great to see Black women getting married to other kinds of men and not waiting on a Black man that is positive to uplift them, I am one person that got stuck on wanting to marry a Brotha--so I did. And even though, it's been H3ll at times, I still have no regrets. Funny thing, too, it that the most opposition that I have received for my choice came [comes] from Black women. I have been severely attacked for my choice. I think too, that this kind of hatred that I have received comes from deep wounds. I know that many Black women loathe Black men due to the kind of abuse that they [we] have received from Black men and their hatred of us. I understand, but for me, I believe it comes down to a personal choice that stems from the Supreme Being. For me, it's a personal choice based on my awareness of a higher being. 

 

[Troy]

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So many bruthaz are having such a hard time trying to attract women and get sex that many of them have essentially GIVEN UP on trying to do so or even be a MAN at this point.

 

I don't know nothin' 'bout being gay, but I don't think it works this way.  Don;t you think Brothers would buy some pus*y before taking it up the butt or blowing some other dude?

 

@Chevdove It is probably just me, but I find the "Sharing is Caring" videos unappealing, and I watched them all.

 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

Finding a good woman or wife is different from having easy access to s8x with a buffet of women. 

 

Indeed, it is much harder -- especially if you've spent your prime adult years working on developing your ability to accessing a buffet of women for sex.

 

 

[Chevdove]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

 

 

@Chevdove It is probably just me, but I find the "Sharing is Caring" videos unappealing, and I watched them all.

 

Oh WOW. On that note, I wonder what makes some videos that become viral appealing to some but not to others.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Gotcha. I crossed the wires.

 

No problema carnal....lol.

 

 

 

I believe you already know the qualities that make a man well buit. If not, it's best to ask women.

Hopefully one of our sistas will chime in on this thread. Right now, it's just 2 dudes yapping.

 

It's a free forum in a "free" society...lol..nobody is stopping any registered sista from dropping her 2 cents on this topic if she likes.
It's welcomed, as far as I'm concerned.
But in the MEAN time and in BETWEEN time....I'd still appreciate if you'd give me a quick lay out of what you mean by a "well built" man.

 

 

 

 

 

The small percentage of them are scattered everywhere. 

 

Ok, but the point is...they are not the majority.

Would you say that the AVERAGE AfroAmerican man doesn't currently fit this description?

We're not talking about his "potential", but as it stands right now on a Friday in the year 2024...do MOST or does the AVERAGE Black man fit the description of "well built" AND/OR having so much game  that he has to fight the ladies off of him?

 

 

 

 

We'll have to let the women answer that question.

 

Come on bro, both of us have been around the block MORE than a few times.
I don't think it takes a woman to answer THAT question...lol.

 

You KNOW a straight up freak ain't asking for much besides physical performance.
Infact, in many cases SHE'LL pay HIM if he's laying it down right.

 

 

 

 

Right. They have to accept the reality that comes with it.

 

What I mean is that for the most part they PHYSICALLY can't do it.
One of the reasons Black men aren't as successful as White men in this society is because they literally CAN'T work 5 times as hard and overcome 5 times the obstacles that White men have to overcome....and they know it.
Maybe twice as hard and twice the obstacles; but when you put anybody under TOO much pressure...they break.

Black men are human beings and are limited in their abilities.
It's not a matter of just "over coming" certain things when you're being directly targeted for mistreatment.

 

 

 

It isn't really necessary to create a system that makes it easier for the average Black men to have access to more women. 

 

I don't believe that it's just "access" to women that's the issue with Black men in the United States.
Wherever we go, whether it's at school or at the job or just going to the mall...there are all kinds of women out there we have "access" to.

But most of them being OPEN for marriage, dating, and sex with us is the issue.

That window of opportunity...currently...is very narrow for most Black American men and really most Black men in general.
Even when it comes to NON-FBA Black men...they pretty much can only date and screw women in their own ethnic group or willing White women and sometimes....sometimes...Black American women.

 

 

 

 

Actually, the white man still pays them..

 

True, however they are STILL successful doing what they like and having more control and power over their creativity and performance.
 

Imagine the music industry BEFORE Motown where Black artists were pretty much encouraged to dance and sing like White men.
Oh yeah, we were good.
Still better than most White performers.
But our GREATNESS at music wasn't seen until Berry Gordy and 'em decided to promote Black men and women getting down the way they WANTED to get down in the studio...and that's when we took music to a whole new level that the world hadn't heard before and we've been leading the way in the entertainment industry since.

 

This is the case in EVERY field we enter.

Golf
Tennis

You name it.....

 

 

 

 

 

Finding a good woman or wife is different from having easy access to s8x with a buffet of women. 

 

True.
But we need BOTH options.

 

Just like I said in the other thread that not everyone was meant to be with somebody, some people SHOULD be alone.
Not everybody is meant to "settle down" with one good wife, some will be players for life.

 

 

 

 

Your argument seems to be conflating good women to settle down with and women for s8x.

 

No.
Both are necessary for a well balanced society.

 

 

 

 

Culture has a lot to do with Black men not having easy access to women of other races and nationalities. 

 

Yes.
And RACISM is part of most of their cultures.

This is one of my main points.

Sexual racism is STILL racism.
But it's tolerated because people don't want to talk about it.

 

 

 

Good luck finding an alternative to helping the brothas get there.

 

I'm sure I'm not the only one on this journey...lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chev

 

 

And I think that this is a conditioning that goes way back in time. And, it's been my experience though, that there are many Black men that think this way, but not all. There are some Black men that like White women but don't base it on hate. They don't hate black women and decide to go after White women for this reason. But the ones that do this on the basis of hate, many of them have Black mothers!!! So therefore, I think this kind of hate is a serious conundrum. 

 

It goes both ways imo. It's 50-50. Some Black women hate Black men too and date out of the 'race' based on this kind of hatred, however, I think this kind of Black Hatred goes really deep. It has deep roots. 

 

 

I....I made a pretty big comment on this issue addressing Harry's post...then I deleted it because I didn't want to open up a bag of worms.

The fact that you said it went both ways made me realize that I should have left it up there.

Why?

 

I took it down because I didn't want it to look like I was trying to "justify the disrespect" so many Black men exhibit in our music and in the urban culture.  But your post reminded me of how even minded and logical so many of our sistaz are and gave me comfort that my comments wouldn't be misconstrued.

I basically said that.........

 

During the 60s and 70s during the so-called "Sexual Revolution" in the United States that also affected the Black community, as we were coming into our own and Black men started promoting the images of the Black women's bodies more in movies, magazines, etc..
You saw way more naked Black women in the movies back in the 70s than you do today, and her body was glorified and honored.

Intially, the desire for sex with our sistaz and the glorification of the Black woman's body wasn't seen as disrespectful but actually flattering, especially in a society that historically would call Black women unattractive and asexual.

 It wasn't until the 80s, especially when certain rap music came along calling women bitches and hoes...that a lot of people started calling out the disrespect of our sistaz and including the sexual talk and glorification of her body in this.
Instead of it being considered flattering and flirtatious, it became disrespectful to talk about how nice a Black woman's butt is and talk about your desire to have sex with her.

Men chase after women by nature and they want sex and especially Black men love the curves of a woman and that big butt...lol.
AfroAmerican men als tend to be bold about expressing our attraction and desire for sex.
This too is labeled as "disrespectful" by many.

 

So after generation or two of what we saw as natural being termed as "disrespectful" and demonized...it stared a backlash among a lot of younger Black men who actually DID start being disrespectful and angry and vindictive towards women as a form of "pay back" for how they were made to feel or for how they were demonized for their natural feelings and desires.

 

So what you have now is a big ass ball of confusion.

 

Men who want sex and love the body of women-
And women who have been taught that men who want this are wrong and should be condemned and even arrested and jailed for that type of thinking-
And now to top it off you have men who straight up HATE women for feeling that way about them.

 

Confusion.

 

 

 

 I think it could be based on racist reasons, but perhaps it's also connected to male dominance due to certain males wanted to have their offspring be born like them, their racial identity, and they don't want their women giving birth to children that have 'black blood' or other kinds of genetics of people they hate. So in terms of racist reason, yes,, absolutely it is based on that, but mainly it is about identity. So some men dominate their women for this kind of issue, even though, yes, it is wrong to do in how they resort to violence and stripping their women from human rights. 

 

If you study it closely.....
Most forms of Patriarchy, Chauvinism, and Sexism are ROOTED in racism.

 

In the Middle East, do you know where so-called "honor killing" comes from?

It originally came from the "dishonor" of a Caucasian woman having sexual relations with a Black man.

Do you know where the female genital circumcision/mutilation that's practices through out the Middle East comes from?
It originally came from Caucasians who were so afraid that their girls would grow up to enjoy sex with Black men that they actually cut their clitoris' out to deprive them of feeling the joy of sex.


 

 

 

Troy

 

 

I don't know nothin' 'bout being gay, but I don't think it works this way.  Don;t you think Brothers would buy some pus*y before taking it up the butt or blowing some other dude?

 

Come on Troy, a well educated brutha like yourself knows that TWO NEGATIVES will equal a POSITIVE...lol.

If you "don't" know "nothing" about it then that means you know SOMETHING about it...lol

I'm not talking about homosexuality per se but the ultra-feminine behavior you see being exhibited by some young bruthaz today.

I'm talking about FLAMBOYANCY.

If look at how so many bruthaz aren't just gay but FLAMBOYANT with it, they do it in a way that you simple don't see among White men.
They are ridiculous with it....like Sha nae nae from Martin.

When you see a big 300 pound brutha wiggling down the street with a blonde wig on and a blouse tied up at the bottom with his big belly out and some booty shorts on....come on man.
 

Not only is he making a fool of himself he's sending a message to society that he's GIVEN UP on even trying to be a man and has decided to be a woman.

He's asking that society please treat him accordingly.

In other words...be easy on him and don't expect him to put up a fight or hassle.

That's why those dudes dress and act that way.
It has nothing to do with being gay or what you're doing in the bedroom, this is a PUBLIC display of a foreiture of masculinity.

In other words....."buck broken".

 

 

Indeed, it is much harder -- especially if you've spent your prime adult years working on developing your ability to accessing a buffet of women for sex.

 

Which is why some men OR women AREN'T meant to settle down and shouldn't even try to.
 

This is a non-religious society.
Why people insist and try their hardest to settle down when they KNOW they can't and don't even like it.....who knows???

Look.......
Some people are made for monogamy, some people were not.
Infact, some people were meant to be ALONE and not have ANY partner.
 

It is what it is.

[Chevdove]

37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you study it closely.....
Most forms of Patriarchy, Chauvinism, and Sexism are ROOTED in racism.

 

In the Middle East, do you know where so-called "honor killing" comes from?

It originally came from the "dishonor" of a Caucasian woman having sexual relations with a Black man.

Do you know where the female genital circumcision/mutilation that's practices through out the Middle East comes from?
It originally came from Caucasians who were so afraid that their girls would grow up to enjoy sex with Black men that they actually cut their clitoris' out to deprive them of feeling the joy of sex.

 

Oh wow! I never heard of that. I've heard that it stemmed from Africa.

 

But, it does seem to make sense that racism is the root of male dominance as you put it in terms of Patriatism and Chauvinism, etc. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But in the MEAN time and in BETWEEN time....I'd still appreciate if you'd give me a quick lay out of what you mean by a "well built" man.

Proactive. Go-getter. Six figure income. Homeowner. Respected by peers. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Would you say that the AVERAGE AfroAmerican man doesn't currently fit this description?

Correct. The average Black man doesn't fit the description.

 

But, average women should be dealing with the average men. There's no shortage of either.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

One of the reasons Black men aren't as successful as White men in this society is because they literally CAN'T work 5 times as hard and overcome 5 times the obstacles that White men have to overcome....and they know it.

The problem is too many Black men are working for white men instead of themselves. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But most of them being OPEN for marriage, dating, and sex with us is the issue.

I don't see why Black men should be entitled to accessing women of different races or nationalities. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even when it comes to NON-FBA Black men...they pretty much can only date and screw women in their own ethnic group or willing White women and sometimes....sometimes...Black American women.

Culture = codification. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Imagine the music industry BEFORE Motown where Black artists were pretty much encouraged to dance and sing like White men.

Motown was an anomaly in the music business. The majority of Black artists and musicians work for white companies. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But our GREATNESS at music... 

 

This is the case in EVERY field we enter.

Golf
Tennis

You name it.....

Black folks are always the employees. That's why they call athletes $40 million dollar slaves.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But we need BOTH options.

We still have both options. It just looks and smells different especially as we get older.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not everybody is meant to "settle down" with one good wife, some will be players for life.

Facts. Accepting that reality is the road to freedom. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Both are necessary for a well balanced society.

It will never change. Same game. Different players. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

And RACISM is part of most of their cultures.

This is one of my main points.

Sexual racism is STILL racism.
But it's tolerated because people don't want to talk about it.

Cultures are codified. White people have to start wars in order to break it.

 

I know you're not suggesting we press other cultures to give us access to their snatch boxes.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

During the 60s and 70s during the so-called "Sexual Revolution" in the United States that also affected the Black community...

Life in America prior to the 1960s was kinda rigid.

 

Obviously, folks were still f8cking but it was within certain parameters.

 

White women were tired of being housewives. Kids were rebelling against wars. Black folks wanted civil rights.

 

The white Patriarchy had decisions to make as fires were raging on several fronts. F8ck it.

 

Let women go to college and work. Black folks can vote. Here's drugs to keep the kids tranquilized. jump in the bed with anybody.

 

No rush to get married. Explore the world. Find yourself. Do what you like especially if you're white.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black men started promoting the images of the Black women's bodies more in movies, magazines, etc..

You saw way more naked Black women in the movies back in the 70s than you do today, and her body was glorified and honored.

Black folks benefited from the s8xual revolution by default.

 

 Fast-forward to these flamboyant n8gglets forfeiting their masculinity because it's too hard to be a man is a cop-out. Too bad we don't have a drop squad.

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

 

Oh wow! I never heard of that. I've heard that it stemmed from Africa.

 

Yes, TODAY it's commonly practiced in NorthEast Africa in places like Eritrea, Somalia, and Sudan and to a lesser extent through out Arabia however it started with the ARABS who INVADED those lands.

It's the same idea with CASTRATION and the making of EUNUCHS.
Remember Phil and the Eunuch story in the Bible.

Why were there so many Eunuchs in the land in those days?
Where did Eunuchs and the act of castrating men come from?
 

When these Caucasians (Arabs, Persians, Jews, etc...) went into Black lands to invade them, they had to maintain sexual control over both the men and the women so that the Black population they were dominating didn't get out of hand.

When they'd enslave the Black boys they'd make them Eunuchs so that they could keep them around without worrying about them screwing their women or spreading their seed.

They "circumcised" the Black girls cutting off their clitoris' so that they could have sex with them without the women enjoying it.

Eventually these things....like the religions they brought...became a part of the "cultures" of those regions.

 

 

But, it does seem to make sense that racism is the root of male dominance as you put it in terms of Patriatism and Chauvinism, etc. 

 

They are tied together.
Just like here in the United States during Slavery where White men preached how the races shouldn't mix and would lynch Black men for being intimate with White women BUT routinely raped and had sex with Black women themselves.

 

It had nothing to do with "purity" or "religion" but was about maintaining control over the races you subjugated.

 

This is one of the reasons I'm so sensitive about this "stay away from the Black guys" narrative being pushed so much.
If they'd stay away for Black men AND Black women...no problem.
But I know they'll tell women to stay away from Black men WHILE AT THE SAME TIME they're staying up all night chasing after and trying to screw Black women!!!

It's not about keeping the races separate.
It's about keeping that Black penis away.

 

 

 

ProfD

 

 

Proactive. Go-getter. Six figure income. Homeowner. Respected by peers. 

 

OK, thank you.
Well, if that's the case MOST WHITE MEN don't fit that description..lol.

 

While it's realistic, I don't think that's a very likely/probable goal for most men to reach anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

Correct. The average Black man doesn't fit the description.
But, average women should be dealing with the average men. There's no shortage of either.

 

Agreed.
There's no shortage, but the willingness to engage in sexual activity is the issue.

Many "average" women are holding out sexually because they were taught to wait on Mr.Right or Mr.Well-built to come along and "save" her...lol.

 

 

 

The problem is too many Black men are working for white men instead of themselves. 

 

FACTS

However to make it clear.
I don't believe most men of ANY race were made to be business owners.
When I say Black men should work for themselves, I mean that MOST Black men should be working in the businesses of other qualified Black men or Black women.

 

 

 

I don't see why Black men should be entitled to accessing women of different races or nationalities. 

 

I'll give you 2 simple reasons and a question:
 

1. Because we're all human and made to have sex with eachother
 

2. Because they're THERE.

If we all lived in separate countries or territories, the argument may be a little different.
But "thanks" to White folks bringing nearly ever race and nationality on this planet here to America...we're here together now.

Wouldn't it be kind of akward for dozens of different races and nationalities of women and men to work and go to school around eachother but NOT expect to have any sort of intimacy with eachother?

Question:  If we ask why should Black men have access, then why should White men also?

That's like asking why should Black men have access to being billionaires or owning land.

Women are humans obviously, but they are also CAPITAL and of VALUE.
The more you have and can attract...the more value and and worth you have and the higher your status.
 

 

 

 

Black folks are always the employees. That's why they call athletes $40 million dollar slaves.

 

You have a point but....
As President Obama would say:

 

"Don't make perfect the enemy of the good"

 

If you're GOING to be a slave any way, it's better to be a $40 million one than to be a broke ass one..lol

 

 

 

It just looks and smells different especially as we get older.

 

Not sure about the sistaz YOU'VE dealt with but the smell hasn't changed as they aged...lol.
The only "look" that has changed with some of them was just more grey hairs down there...LOL.

 

 

 

 

I know you're not suggesting we press other cultures to give us access to their snatch boxes

 

I was waiting on your to ask me for what I consider to be the SOLUTIONS to this problem.

 

First of all, there is no need to use any kind of force and I wouldn't advocate for that anyway.
I personally wouldn't enjoy the company of a woman if she was FORCED to be with me.

 

All we have to do is use DENIAL.

I think if we as Black men got on code and built up our economics and own communities and gate-kept them while MAKING IT CLEAR that any non-FBA women who entered into OUR communities or sought our protection or benefits would have to entertain the idea of being sexually intimate with us...things would change in one generation.
I say we pretty much pull out of this society as much as possible and focus on building US and OUR weight.
 

In other words.....
Today Black men are in school, at work, in the government....pretty much doing everything White and Latino men are doing but not getting as much respect for it.
But if we were to pull out our talents from the mainstream and focus more on building OUR businesses and OUR housing so that when immigrants come to the United States and they see what WE have going on, they will want to live around and work for US because WE will have the advantage.

Naturally...and I've seen and experienced this more times than I've counted...when most women want and need things from you most of them DON'T HESITATE to offer you their attention, smiles, and even sometimes their bodies to get them.
 

If Black men are the ones with the jobs, money, and housing to offer....these same women who swore up and down they wouldn't have anything to do with Black American man will change their tune almost OVER NIGHT.

 

My word is bond on that one.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

When they'd enslave the Black boys they'd make them Eunuchs so that they could keep them around without worrying about them screwing their women or spreading their seed.

They "circumcised" the Black girls cutting off their clitoris' so that they could have sex with them without the women enjoying it.

Many boys and girls died as a result of the process.

 

Would you agree those died were better off than those who survived and had to live a life unfulfilled and no enjoyment of s8x?

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many "average" women are holding out sexually because they were taught to wait on Mr.Right or Mr.Well-built to come along and "save" her...lol.

Ignore those women and find willing participants. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't believe most men of ANY race were made to be business owners.

Who makes the determination of who is or isn't qualified to start a business?

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Wouldn't it be kind of akward for dozens of different races and nationalities of women and men to work and go to school around eachother but NOT expect to have any sort of intimacy with eachother?

It's happening right now. You're arguing against it.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Question:  If we ask why should Black men have access, then why should White men also?

White men won the war entitling them to the spoils of it. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's like asking why should Black men have access to being billionaires or owning land.

A Black man can do the same thing if he puts in the work.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Women are humans obviously, but they are also CAPITAL and of VALUE.
The more you have and can attract...the more value and and worth you have and the higher your status.

Sure. Gotta put in work for it. Doesn't fall into one's lap.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you're GOING to be a slave any way, it's better to be a $40 million one than to be a broke ass one..lol

That default position of being a slave at a price is the main reason Black folks cannot be independent and autonomous. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not sure about the sistaz YOU'VE dealt with but the smell hasn't changed as they aged...lol.

The only "look" that has changed with some of them was just more grey hairs down there...LOL.

I wasn't referring to the snatch box smell. That gets better with age. It's the Ben Gay and other pain relief cream they might need at night.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I think if we as Black men got on code and built up our economics and own communities...non-FBA women...would have to entertain the idea of being sexually intimate with us...
 

If Black men are the ones with the jobs, money, and housing to offer....these same women who swore up and down they wouldn't have anything to do with Black American man will change their tune almost OVER NIGHT.

 

My word is bond on that one.

Over several posts, I've tried to explain this is not a *problem* for well built men.

 

You're advocating that average men pull up their status to enjoy the same perks. There's nothing wrong with that goal.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Would you agree those died were better off than those who survived and had to live a life unfulfilled and no enjoyment of s8x?

 

It's hard to say because there's an old saying:
You don't miss what you've never had.

 

Those children were often circumcised or castrated at such a young age that they've NEVER had sex or the urge for it so they don't realize let alone miss the joy of it.

 

On top of that, some Eunuchs were afforded pretty high positions in wealthy and noble homes.
They were the equivalent of "house niggas" for that era.

If you to asked some of THEM would they have rather been in their positions or dead...they'd looked at you like you were insane.

 

 

 

Who makes the determination of who is or isn't qualified to start a business?

 

-the customers, and those with experience having operated one.
If you call yourself operating a SEAFOOD JOINT....but you're constantly running out of shrimp and catfish every other day....YO ASS shouldn't be in business, lol.
 

If you can't even hold down something as simple as a 9-5, why would you think you'd qualify to operate an entire business which is usually much more complex?

 

I'm not talking about selling weed to your friends or bags of oranges on the off-ramp of a freeway and calling THAT a "business".

 

"Hey...I got my own fried critter bid'ness!"
 

Any fool can do that....as long as somebody is supporting their broke ass with a REAL job or they're getting a government check
But when it comes to operating a real BONAFIDE business like a restaurant or coffee shop or barber shop....most people aren't qualified to do that, in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

It's happening right now. You're arguing against it.

 

Correct.
I'm against it because it's not fair and improper.
 

 

 

 

 

White men won the war entitling them to the spoils of it. 

 

I don't see it that way.
I don't think any man is entitled to sexual satisfaction from any woman he's not legally/publicly married to.
And even then, if she decides not to grant him satisfaction...his only recourse should be either to bribe her or leave her.

 

 

 

Sure. Gotta put in work for it. Doesn't fall into one's lap.

 

I'm not sure if putting in work or even being a well built man will work in the cases of many if not most non-FBA women of color when it comes to sexual intimacy with an AfroAmerican man, no matter HOW much money he has.

Perhaps it will, I'm not wealthy enough nor have I interviewed Black men who were wealthy and went around trying to do so but something tells me that in the cases of many if not most of these women, even his money won't matter.

I don't think a young inshape billionaire Black man could go to India or Korea and pull even a FRACTION of the single women in those nations and convince them to have sex with him.

 

 

That default position of being a slave at a price is the main reason Black folks cannot be independent and autonomous.

 

That's a different argument all together...lol.

My point is, IF you're going to be a slave...better off being a rich one.

Juvenile said:  Ya'Undastan'????

 

 

 

I wasn't referring to the snatch box smell. That gets better with age. It's the Ben Gay and other pain relief cream they might need at night.

 

I was actually warned about that from an old head back in the day and the first time I encountered it, I started laughing and remembering what he said.

When I told him I liked older women, he said I would get enough of smelling that liniment and alcohol they have to rub them old bones up with at night...lol.

 

 

 

You're advocating that average men pull up their status to enjoy the same perks.

 

Well, SHOULDN'T that be the goal?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Would you agree those died were better off than those who survived and had to live a life unfulfilled and no enjoyment of s8x?

 

It's hard to say because there's an old saying:
You don't miss what you've never had.

 

That applies to the folks who died fighting instead of being slaves.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

On top of that, some Eunuchs were afforded pretty high positions in wealthy and noble homes.
They were the equivalent of "house niggas" for that era.

If you to asked some of THEM would they have rather been in their positions or dead...they'd looked at you like you were insane.

They were still prisoners of a system.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Who makes the determination of who is or isn't qualified to start a business?

 

-the customers, and those with experience having operated one.

Anyone with a vision, knowledge, skill, talent, work ethic and capital can start a business.  Their success will be predicated on customers and the market.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's happening right now. You're arguing against it.

 

Correct.
I'm against it because it's not fair and improper.

When all else falls, the only way to bring about justice is war.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

White men won the war entitling them to the spoils of it. 

 

I don't see it that way.
I don't think any man is entitled to sexual satisfaction from any woman he's not legally/publicly married to.
And even then, if she decides not to grant him satisfaction...his only recourse should be either to bribe her or leave her.

History shows us that when diplomacy fails, war is the recourse.  The winner gets the bounty and booty.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sure. Gotta put in work for it. Doesn't fall into one's lap.

 

I'm not sure if putting in work or even being a well built man will work in the cases of many if not most non-FBA women of color when it comes to sexual intimacy with an AfroAmerican man, no matter HOW much money he has.

 

Perhaps it will, I'm not wealthy enough nor have I interviewed Black men who were wealthy and went around trying to do so but something tells me that in the cases of many if not most of these women, even his money won't matter.

I don't think a young inshape billionaire Black man could go to India or Korea and pull even a FRACTION of the single women in those nations and convince them to have sex with him.

It would be wise to interview those men in order to find out how it's working out for them.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That default position of being a slave at a price is the main reason Black folks cannot be independent and autonomous.

 

That's a different argument all together...lol.

My point is, IF you're going to be a slave...better off being a rich one.

Juvenile said:  Ya'Undastan'????

Understood.  That default position works at the individual level.  Not for the community of Black men you're seeking to elevate.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I was actually warned about that from an old head back in the day and the first time I encountered it, I started laughing and remembering what he said.

When I told him I liked older women, he said I would get enough of smelling that liniment and alcohol they have to rub them old bones up with at night...lol.

Yep.  It gets real especially among older women.  They will wear Spicebomb duing the day.  Lidocaine at night. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You're advocating that average men pull up their status to enjoy the same perks.

 

Well, SHOULDN'T that be the goal?

Sure.  That should be the goal.  Elevated status means they're no longer average.

[Chevdove]

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Oh wow! I never heard of that. I've heard that it stemmed from Africa.

 

Yes, TODAY it's commonly practiced in NorthEast Africa in places like Eritrea, Somalia, and Sudan and to a lesser extent through out Arabia however it started with the ARABS who INVADED those lands.

It's the same idea with CASTRATION and the making of EUNUCHS.
Remember Phil and the Eunuch story in the Bible.

 

I've never heard of it practiced in that region. Can you provide some references? I know it was practiced though in other parts of Africa and in Ethiopia.

 

 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It had nothing to do with "purity" or "religion" but was about maintaining control over the races you subjugated.

 

This is one of the reasons I'm so sensitive about this "stay away from the Black guys" narrative being pushed so much.
If they'd stay away for Black men AND Black women...no problem.
But I know they'll tell women to stay away from Black men WHILE AT THE SAME TIME they're staying up all night chasing after and trying to screw Black women!!!

 

This reminds me of an earlier origin during the Moorish period when the Europeans gained a foothold on trade. 

After they were able to expel the Moors and Jews from Europe. I've read a lot of material and remember how they vowed to bond together and never allow Black men to rule again and thus began the slave ship trade. 

 

 

[Laydee Gaga]

On 10/20/2024 at 7:37 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I've noticed over the past 10 years or so not only is there a rise in Black female/ White male relationships.....but for the past year or so I've noticed that they have actually OVER TAKEN the Black male / White female relationships!

Maybe I'm just noticing it more but it appears that now in 2024 in the public places I've been, there are MORE Sistaz running around with White dudes than Bruthaz running around with White women.
 
This is a huge problem in my opinion for a number of reasons..........

 

You are only noticing it because WM with wither nothing to lose or WM who cant get top of the line WW are now not ashamed to be seen with BW (im being polite). Thats why you are only seeing it more but as a BW, I have known for decades WM were sleeping with BW. 

 

Whats the AGE of these WM you are seeing with BW? Im curious

[Pioneer1]

Laydee Gaga

 

 

I have known for decades WM were sleeping with BW. 

 

Me too, however I believe they were sleeping with them for different reasons than they are now.

Back in the day right up to the 90s...women of color including Black women were having sex with White men almost strictly for money, to keep their jobs, for help with some sort of social service, to stay out of jail, etc.
They did it for some sort of benefit but rarely out of love or sexual pleasure.

 

TODAY it APPEARS (based on my limited research and observations) that most of the relationships between White men and women of color is based not JUST on tangible benefits but also genuine attraction.
That's what's I find so interesting.

 

It appears that a lot of Black women today GENUINELY find the average White man attractive and even love him.

If this is not the case, they're putting up a good front.

 

 

 

Whats the AGE of these WM you are seeing with BW? Im curious

 

Most of them are younger.
From their teens right up to their early 40s.

And most of the ones I'm seeing today are between middle and working class people.
I don't see a lot of poor White men with poor Black women.
When I see Black women with White men, most of them look like typical working class people so the men don't look terribly rich.

[Pioneer1]

Check out this Nightline segment from about 14 years ago pretty much OPENLY calling for Black women to seek sexual relationships with White men:
 

 

[Troy]

I forgot all about Steve Harvey being a relationship expert. Something tells me that aspect of his life is not going to age well.
 

All those women are fine and it’s hard to imagine they can’t find a man especially the first one.

 

Whenever I see an attractive, intelligent, and well built woman who complains she can’t find a man I can’t help but put that on her. Maybe she should stop cheerleading And use that time to be a bit more proactive and intentional about meeting a man.

 

I know places like Atlanta are harder for the sisters given the demographics but again homegirl is foine. I’m sure there are brothers that would. leave their wives and children for her

All of those sisters would be in their late 40s by now something tells me they are probably all on their second marriages  

[ProfD]

There's already not a 1:1 ratio of Black  women to Black men.

 

The reality is choices in Black men get slimmer as Black women become more successful. 

 

Even if a Black women lowers her expectations of what she wants in a Black men, especially if she's successful, more than likely they're going to be unequally yoked from a power perspective.

 

As Steve mentioned, successful Black women should consider dating older established Black men.

 

[Troy]

So you are not surprised that sister can’t find a man?  
 

I’m not sure moving up in age would help very much as most of the decent men 10 to 15 years their senior are either already hooked up or don’t wanna be tied down (how many 45 year-old men do you see walking around never married claiming they can’t find Sista?)

 

I think the problem is that their standards are unrealistically high. one sister was saying she wanted a brother that was 6’ 5” — a very small percentage of  Americans are that tall. 
 

Still it would be interesting to see where they are today. Maybe they decided to leave the black male gay capital of America to where more heterosexual black men live.

 

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Troy said:

So you are not surprised that sister can’t find a man?

Nope. I've seen it for several decades.

5 hours ago, Troy said:

I’m not sure moving up in age would help very much as most of the decent men 10 to 15 years their senior are either already hooked up or don’t wanna be tied down (how many 45 year-old men do you see walking around never married claiming they can’t find Sista?)

It might help to the extent that it widens the pool of candidates.

 

Older divorced or widowed dudes might end up back on the market. They would  appreciate a woman who comes to the house with her own bag i.e. money.

 

 

5 hours ago, Troy said:

I think the problem is that their standards are unrealistically high.

Definitely a problem. I believe unrealistic standards is a sign that she doesn't really want a man. Many of them are trying to be a man.

 

5 hours ago, Troy said:

Still it would be interesting to see where they are today.

In their 40s now, a couple of them may have settled for the Black man who works in the service industry or a blue collar job.

 

5 hours ago, Troy said:

Maybe they decided to leave the black male gay capital of America to where more heterosexual black men live.

That would have definitely expanded their options.

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

All those women are fine and it’s hard to imagine they can’t find a man especially the first one.

 

Because they CAN find a man.
It's about trying to find the KIND of man they actually WANT.
....a Zaddy 

 

There are PLENTY of men out there for them to choose from, but who they really WANT may be a little scarce for them.

...and that's part of the propaganda.

Because who they really WANT...is a Zaddy (wealthy powerful White man).

 

 

 

All of those sisters would be in their late 40s by now something tells me they are probably all on their second marriages 

 

If married at all.

Most AfroAmericans don't get married.
...as the Africans I work with constantly remind me, lol.

 

 

 

how many 45 year-old men do you see walking around never married claiming they can’t find Sista

 

WHAT????

Man, come on....a LOT.

 

I can name 4 right off the top at my job ALONE...not counting the ones I know outside of work.

I know bruthaz in their 50s and 60s who are LOOKING for sistaz to settle down with and claiming they can't find one or keep one.

 

 

 

 

I think the problem is that their standards are unrealistically high. 

 

I agree.
And going back to the theme of that video, I think many of them subconsciously want a Zaddy...a wealthy White man...to swoop down and "save" them.

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

There's already not a 1:1 ratio of Black  women to Black men.

 

Really?

I'd go as far as to say it's probably about EVEN when I sit down in a public place and just LOOK at it.

Not sure about New York/Florida or D.C., but in Michigan...even in Detroit...I see JUST AS MANY Black men as I do Black women.

Maybe this wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s...it certain is today based on MY perspective.

This mess about there not being enough Black men go to around....go to any mall in a major city and you'll see HUNDREDS of bruthas strolling around on cell phones and carrying Footlocker bags...lol.

 

The reality is choices in Black men get slimmer as Black women become more successful. 

 

Is this statement true as it stands, or is their a caveat to it?

Meaning...

Are the choices in Black men slimmer?
Or do the choices in SO-CALLED SUCCESSFUL BLACK MEN WHO MEET THEIR DEFINITION OF SUCCESS get slimmer and slimmer?

 

Why won't a sista who's a doctor date a brutha who owns a barber shop who's probably making just as much if not MORE money than she is without the education?

 

 

 

As Steve mentioned, successful Black women should consider dating older established Black men

 

I concur
However, being older doesn't necessarily mean "established".
Especially in OUR community.

 

Traditionally, being older meant being wiser and more financially stable because you had decades of career and experience to build your wealth.
However in THIS racist system that puts so many obstacles in your path...a brutha is doing good to simply be ALIVE at 70s, let alone wealthy and independent.

 

Let's keep things in perspective....lol

 

 

 

In their 40s now, a couple of them may have settled for the Black man who works in the service industry or a blue collar job.

 

Which...speaking as a blue collar brutha...isn't a bad choice.

It really depends on what she's looking for.

If she just wants a man who's good in bed who can satisfy her sexually, she should admit that.
If she's making her own money, she could find a good brutha who IS good in bed but mentally stable, not abusive, and can even hold down a job.
Plenty of bruthaz like that around.

The problem is, she listens to her girlfriends and "society" telling her that first of all she should get "married" as a professional and secondly she shouldn't marry "down" but be EQUALLY YOKED.

 

If people were actually true to themselves and what they wanted, over 90% of the problems in our community would be solved overnight.

Most of the marriages would dissolve and relationships would be RE-FORMED to more accurately reflect how people actually felt about eachother.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I know bruthaz in their 50s and 60s who are LOOKING for sistaz to settle down with and claiming they can't find one or keep one.

They sure did wait a long time before deciding to settle down. Coinciding with getting older and the *problems* that come with it.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

This mess about there not being enough Black men go to around....go to any mall in a major city and you'll see HUNDREDS of bruthas strolling around on cell phones and carrying Footlocker bags...lol.

That doesn't read like a prime candidate for a 6 figure woman.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is this statement true as it stands, or is their a caveat to it?

Meaning...

Are the choices in Black men slimmer?
Or do the choices in SO-CALLED SUCCESSFUL BLACK MEN WHO MEET THEIR DEFINITION OF SUCCESS get slimmer and slimmer?

There's no shortage of average men. Fewer successful men especially among Black folks.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Why won't a sista who's a doctor date a brutha who owns a barber shop who's probably making just as much if not MORE money than she is without the education?

When parents groom their children to become successful they don't encourage them to marry "down". 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

 

As Steve mentioned, successful Black women should consider dating older established Black men

 

I concur
However, being older doesn't necessarily mean "established".
Especially in OUR community.

That's why I wrote older established...

 

Of course, there are older folks who are more broke than a bag of glass.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If she just wants a man who's good in bed who can satisfy her sexually, she should admit that.

There's no shortage of men and women who are ONLY good for happy endings. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If she's making her own money, she could find a good brutha who IS good in bed but mentally stable, not abusive, and can even hold down a job.
Plenty of bruthaz like that around.

Very few of those brothas want to spend a lifetime as the tail instead of the head.

 

Then, those same n8gglets will ride around in her luxury car flexing and  trying to pick up broke azz women.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If people were actually true to themselves and what they wanted, over 90% of the problems in our community would be solved overnight.

First, they have to *know* who they are and more importantly, they have to be raised properly.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most of the marriages would dissolve and relationships would be RE-FORMED to more accurately reflect how people actually felt about eachother.

Marriages dissolve every day. New relationships are formed.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

They sure did wait a long time before deciding to settle down. Coinciding with getting older and the *problems* that come with it.

 

Sheeeeyit, what "problems" is YOU talking about????
Lol.
Actually, my sexual performance has gotten BETTER in my mid-50s than it was in my 20s because it takes me a longer time to nut.

 

But these dudes I'm referring to are a bit of a mix between some who want to "settle down" and others  who are looking for women to just have sexual fun with.

I don't blame either for wanting to do "their thing".

Also, these men I'm refering to are complaining about not being able to attract ANY of the women they want.
I know of a brutha right now who is 61 years old, says he's straight, and looks pretty decent but there is no history of him having a woman although he claims he wants one.

Although I don't have problems finding women if they are AfroAmerican (or White American if I want one), I do consider it a problem that I see so many African, Caribbean, and East Indian woman in my environment that I haven't been able to pull....so I understand how many of them feel.
 

 

 

 

That doesn't read like a prime candidate for a 6 figure woman.

 

Depends on what she's looking for.
Ever heard of a "nymphomaniac"???

A certain percentage of women ONLY want sex from a man.

 

That's another issue I have with a lot of these non-FBA women.
Every group has a certain amount of nymphos who don't care about a man's money, race, religion or, status...as long as he can get an erection.
Yet even THEY don't approach Black American men.

 

 

 

There's no shortage of average men. Fewer successful men especially among Black folks.

 

It depends on what one considered "successful".

Success simply means accomplishing your goals.
 

But I agree, as I've said numerous times and have been saying for atleast 20 years....there are PLENTY of good normal Black men out there.
This myth about their being a "shortage" of Black men is straight up bullshit.
An excuse for sistaz who are either lesbian or pink-peter-eaters.

They didn't want to just come right out and say they didn't find Black men attractive anymore, so they had to make EXCUSES for why they weren't with one.
Today on the internet...they are being more open and honest about how they feel.

 

 

When parents groom their children to become successful they don't encourage them to marry "down". 

 

a) How many Black American parents are actually "grooming" their children today?
Is the Boule as strong as it used to be?

 

b) How is a doctor who marries a business owner marrying "down"?

So if a brutha owns a chain of Soul Food restaurants and is a multi-millionaire, because he may not have a college degree...he's "beneath" her too?

 

 

 

 

Then, those same n8gglets will ride around in her luxury car flexing and  trying to pick up broke azz women.

 

Perhaps.
Men tend to cheat, even when they're with good partners who are attractive and treat them well.

What you said reminds me of some scenes from the movie Baby Boy...lol.

 

 

 

Marriages dissolve every day. New relationships are formed.

 

True.
However they usually DISSOLVE for the wrong reasons just like they usually are FORMED for the wrong reasons.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sheeeeyit, what "problems" is YOU talking about????

I'm referring to any problems men over 50 years old have and hide and as a result are even more gun shy when it comes to women.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But these dudes I'm referring to are a bit of a mix between some who want to "settle down" and others  who are looking for women to just have sexual fun with.

No shame in wanting to do their thing. Being honest with themselves is the key. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, these men I'm refering to are complaining about not being able to attract ANY of the women they want.

They have to put themselves in a better position to attract those women. Not gonna fall into their lap.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Although I don't have problems finding women if they are AfroAmerican (or White American if I want one), I do consider it a problem that I see so many African, Caribbean, and East Indian woman in my environment that I haven't been able to pull....so I understand how many of them feel.

Reads like a support group needs to be formed in order to improve game.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's another issue I have with a lot of these non-FBA women.

Every group has a certain amount of nymphos who don't care about a man's money, race, religion or, status...as long as he can get an erection.
Yet even THEY don't approach Black American men.

Again, despite that she may be a nymph, your argument is that she should be available to Black men.

 

Yet, there are Black men who are banging the h8ll out foreign women at home and abroad. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It depends on what one considered "successful".

Success simply means accomplishing your goals.

Ask the woman how she defines success. Wait for answer.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But I agree, as I've said numerous times and have been saying for atleast 20 years....there are PLENTY of good normal Black men out there.
This myth about their being a "shortage" of Black men is straight up bullshit.
An excuse for sistaz who are either lesbian or pink-peter-eaters.

No different from men using a woman's looks as an attraction, women have their criteria too.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

They didn't want to just come right out and say they didn't find Black men attractive anymore, so they had to make EXCUSES for why they weren't with one.

Between TLC calling dudes scrubs and Beyonce telling them to put a ring on it, there's more at play than carpet munching.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

a) How many Black American parents are actually "grooming" their children today?

Doesn't matter. A woman has a right to choose whether she wants to deal with a broke azz or under-resourced man. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

b) How is a doctor who marries a business owner marrying "down"?

So if a brutha owns a chain of Soul Food restaurants and is a multi-millionaire, because he may not have a college degree...he's "beneath" her too?

A man  who amassea a multi-million fortune isn't down. He's considered successful.

 

Mike Tyson once married a doctor.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps.

Men tend to cheat, even when they're with good partners who are attractive and treat them well.

It makes a successful woman look real stupid when she gets played by a broke azz n8gglet.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

However they usually DISSOLVE for the wrong reasons just like they usually are FORMED for the wrong reasons.

That's why it's important for people to be honest with and true to themselves. Know thy motives. Be prepared to deal with the consequences. Personal responsibility and accountability. No confusion.

[Troy]

On 10/31/2024 at 8:18 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I can name 4 right off the top at my job ALONE...not counting the ones I know outside of work.

I know bruthaz in their 50s and 60s who are LOOKING for sistaz to settle down with and claiming they can't find one or keep one.

 

This must be a class issue.  I don't know anyone in my peer group who is make that has never been married and wants to be.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I know of a brutha right now who is 61 years old, says he's straight, and looks pretty decent but there is no history of him having a woman although he claims he wants one.

 

Has it occurred to you that this brother might be lying? Has he described any failed attempts?  

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However they usually DISSOLVE for the wrong reasons just like they usually are FORMED for the wrong reasons.

 

True.  The latter, of course, leads directly to the former. 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

I'm referring to any problems men over 50 years old have and hide and as a result are even more gun shy when it comes to women.

 

Well, whatever problems they're having...a few of these bruthaz clearly aren't shy about it the way they chase after women.

They CHASE...but it appears the women don't allow them to catch, lol.

 

 

 

They have to put themselves in a better position to attract those women. Not gonna fall into their lap.

 

Well some of them are at work, a few are in my neighborhood so in both ENVIRONMENTS (Realities?...lol) there are plenty of women around and they talk to them.


 

Again, despite that she may be a nymph, your argument is that she should be available to Black men.
 

Yes, they should.
I'm not saying they should be attracted to EVERY Black American man obviously....but most.
If she's a true Nympho...race/ethnicity shouldn't really matter much.

 

Yet, there are Black men who are banging the h8ll out foreign women at home and abroad. 
 

You are speaking of a FRACTION of the population.
There are Black men who are banging the hell out of SOME OTHER BLACK MEN, if you want to go that route...lol.

I'm not focusing on marginal cases, but the norm or atleast what SHOULD be the norm.

 

A man  who amassea a multi-million fortune isn't down. He's considered successful.
 

Right.
I said that in reference to you suggesting that a doctor who marries a brutha who owns a barbershop was "marrying down".




 

Troy

 

This must be a class issue.  I don't know anyone in my peer group who is make that has never been married and wants to be.
 

It is.
It may come as a surprise to you, but every Black person wasn't ALLOWED to attend those marvelous Jack and Jill get-to-gethers where young Black people are hooked up at an early age..lol.

 

Has it occurred to you that this brother might be lying? Has he described any failed attempts?  

Well, I think MOST men lie when it comes to their sex lives, so yes...lol.

However I think he's RELATIVELY honest about his lack of success.
I don't see what benefit he'd get from lying about NOT getting any trim.
 

He doesn't describe any failed attempts outside of the vague,
"Man I be tryna talk to these women man and they ain't tryna holla"...lol.
 

I don't see him trying too hard; but again he's 61 so perhaps he tried so much in the past that he's all but given up trying.
But if some women walk past us while we're talking or they're sitting on the porch outside, he'll comment on his attraction to them or how he'd like to get with her.
 

[Pioneer1]

We know that Serena Williams is married to a Caucasian man.
I did a quick search for Venus' current/former boyfriends...and saw a list of Caucasian men for her as well.

....what does that say?

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We know that Serena Williams is married to a Caucasian man.
I did a quick search for Venus' current/former boyfriends...and saw a list of Caucasian men for her as well.

....what does that say?

I've often wondered if the Williams sisters' daddy Richard told them not to deal with Black men.

 

Serena Williams dated Common for a while.  He doesn't stick around with any woman long enough to hear those wedding bells though.

 

It says rich Black women have as many options as men.  If/when they want children and marriage, that might make a difference.