"But We're Not Into Black Guys": Observation On Sexual Racism

[Pioneer1]

This is along the same vein of my previous thread about whether or not White men are gaining traction with our sistaz.

But it's a much broader scope.
 

Since being a teenager growing up in a Black city and then traveling the nation from coast to coast I've seen a lot of things and I've closely observered human interaction.
Especially as a younger man when it came to how males and females interacted.

I noticed that while most races and ethnic groups tended to marry, date, and/or had sex predominately within their group...a certain percentage would stray away and enter relationships with other groups.

 

What I found interesting was that when it comes to people of color....Black, Brown, Yellow -as well as the various tribes and nationalities among us...we usually did two things:

We'd either enter sexual relationships with eachother OR with White people.

However I didn't see a lot of inter-racial or inter-cultural or inter-ethnic relationships between DIFFERENT people of color.

In other words I'd see an Indian woman with an Indian man OR a White man; but not with a Chinese man.

I'd see a Nigerian woman with a Nigerian man OR a White man, but not with a Mexican man.

Interesting.....

So it seems that White men had a nice little sweet spot where they were the center of attention or the "go to" alternative for women of all races and ethnic groups who wanted to "stray away" and try something different.

 

Guess who wasn't....lol.

 

 

Another thing I noticed was that MOST of these groups showed through their behavior that they were NOT interested in sexual relationships with Black men, and many of them actually SAID OPENLY to me and other Black men that they "weren't into Black guys".

Hmmm....

I've heard it in real life and I've really heard this around the internet.

It was almost always women of COLOR who said this, not White women.

Even if a White woman wasn't into Black men...she wouldn't dare say it.
But many of these other women of color felt totally fine openly declaring that they weren't into Black men or in the case of many African and Caribbean Black women...Black American men.

I didn't pay it much attention at first.
First I would hear Asian women say it, then East Indian women say it....hmmmm.
Then Arab women say it, then Latina women say it.....woww.
But when I started hearing other African women say it about Black American men...that's when I REALLY had to take a step back and think about this.

Think about this CAREFULLY bruthaz......

You're living in a society where, it doesn't matter how good you look, what kind of car you drive, how much money you make...because you are a BLACK AMERICAN MAN...the MAJORITY of women in certain groups have written you off and don't even think about having sexual relations with you.

Not happening no matter what you do.

Think about this and what it means.
 

We didn't have this issue in the 70s and early 80s when it was primarily Black American and White women.
You COULD get both to a certain extent if you had "this" or were good at "that".

Now you got ENTIRE GROUPS of women who are totally out of reach for you no matter what you do, because of your race/ethnicity?

That's a problem, if you ask me.


 

Now to the sistaz (AfroAmerican women) reading this......

This commentary isn't some "divestment" or "passport bro" commentary to try to get Black men to LEAVE Black women or go around fucking White and "exotic" women.
No.
It's not about hating on the sistaz and I'm not blaming Black women in any way shape or form for this.

Nor is it about the actual act of sex itself!
No.
It's about our ABILITY to have sex with these women if we so chose to do so.
And it's really about RESPECT and SOCIAL CAPITAL.

If Black American men aren't getting respect in society from the men OR the women...that's an issue that must be addressed.
When the MAJORITY of women in a society just write you off because of your race and/or ethnicity...that's a problem.
 

If OTHER PEOPLE SEE YOU not being respected or wanted, it leads to more disrespect.

 

 

 

You may say,  
"Well why you worried about it...ain't you satisfied with YOUR women???"
Why you looking at somebody else's women???"
 

First of all NO woman belongs to another man or group, in America.
We're all supposed to be "free", right?
So what's with this "our women" and "their women" shit?


Second, the same question can be asked of WHITE MEN or LATINO MEN!
Why aren't people asking THEM when they're running around trying to slide their dicks into women of different races and winking at them in the grocery stores (especially Latino men), why aren't THEY satisfied with THEIR women???

They don't, because most people figure White men DESERVE to be able to screw any women they want because of their status.
They don't think Black men do...so they get jealous and angry at the thought of it.

That's the real "problem" with interracial marriage.
As long as White men are able to marry and screw Black women...there wasn't a problem.
It only became a "problem" when we were allowed to do the same.
....but that's a different subject for a different conversation, lol.


Third, damn right!
A man SHOULD be concerned if most women don't find him attractive or have written him off....for WHATEVER reason.

I don't give a damn WHAT excuse is being used to dismiss or avoid or demonize AfroAmerican men, if it's being done...it's a PROBLEM.

Fix the problem.

Because if this gets out of hand......
Now for the past 40 years or so (because these different ethnic groups wouldn't have DARE said that back in the 60s and 70s) they have felt comfortable openly declaring that they don't allow their women to sleep with Black men and many of the women feel comfortable openly saying that they aren't into Black men.
Say it on the internet, say it in real life.
 

Ok, what if it doesn't stop there?
What if in the next 20 years they start saying they won't HIRE Black men or let Black men move into their neighborhoods?

Talking about it's a "personal choice".

If we ALLOW this to take place and laugh it off, then who's to say it won't go from them SAYING that they won't sleep with Black men to saying that they CAN'T sleep with Black men and LYNCHING is brought back?

 

Racism is racism and shouldn't be tolerated PERIOD.

The fact that we as AfroAmerican men have allowed this shit to take place and get so far out of hand is straight up negligence on our part.
 

And again, it's not about us going around screwing women of all colors and races.

It's about our ABILITY to do it if we want.
 

If White men can do it and they're letting White men do it, why are we being discriminated against.

I know that for some of you reading this, it won't matter.
But for the WISE Black men who are....you know why it does.
 

Attracting women is like attracting money.
It's a testimony to how much of a "man" you are and your social status.

[ProfD]

First, I still beiieve culture = codification. Especially as it relates to the women. Most folks stick to their own group.

 

White men have a privilege and status having conquered the world. As a result, they have access to a buffet of women. 

 

The propaganda against AfroAmerican Black men specifically was spread around the world a long time ago.

 

The media still works overtime in how it portrays AfroAmerican men.

 

Talk to any non-FBA/ADOS person and if they're honest, they will tell you that AfroAmerican men have been demonized in such a way that makes us forbidden fruit.

 

AfroAmerican men have been personified as that apple in the garden of Eden. 

 

AfroAmerican men would have to change the perception spread about us in order to have easier access to other snatch boxes.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread, good luck changing the narrative if that is a goal/objective.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Well I'm glad to see that you agree with my PERSPECTIVE on the matter, lol.

 

 

 

As I mentioned in the other thread, good luck changing the narrative if that is a goal/objective

 

Actually, although the problem is global...that's not my focus.

My position is that the United States should be the country where that type of racism and sexual limitation should be put behind when other groups come here.
 

If you want to feel that way in your home country, fine.
That's your nation and your culture and you should have a right to it.

I wouldn't want people coming to African nations FORCING the women to have sex with other races and religions of men; although they're pretty much doing it anyway.

But in my mind, America should be DIFFERENT.
We shouldn't allow open racism and discrimination like that...especially from immigrants who come in here seeking a better way of life.

20 or 30 years ago I kinda noticed a little of this but I wouldn't have talked about it so openly like I'm doing now out of "shame".
Most men don't like admitting what they consider their "short comings".
But as I've gotten older and more mature and wiser, I realize that many problems can and will be solved when you openly ACKNOWLEDGE that this is a problem and let others know that this is indeed a problem for you even if it's not for them.

Like I said, I've been noticing this issue since I was a teenager.

As I've mentioned before,  wasn't the most attractive dude growing up (although women who've known me for a while say that I look much better now than I did when I was younger because my age has "matured" me...lol), but I've always had a good mouth piece...lol.
If I wasn't popular with the Sistaz or even some White girls...you KNOW these Asian and Latina girls weren't on me like that!
However, for whatever reason some years ago when I was in my 20's I mustered up the boldness to actually approach a dark skinned Indian woman (Dravidian) I saw on the Greyhound bus and we actually got into a good conversation and kicked it together until she had to transfer to another bus.
I got her number but I didn't call her for some reason that I don't remember.

But after my introducing myself to her, I basically tore right into the RACIAL issue and why Indian women avoided Black men and things of that nature and she was bold about her responses, which I didn't respect.
Even told me they heard about how Black men had big penises over in India!
But actually the sexual issues were only a FRACTION of what we talked about.
She moved all of her luggage and items from where she was sitting just to sit next to me and we were in the zone for a good 10 hours until she transferred.

Now, why do I tell this story?

It's an example of how problems are solved.

Although me and that Indian woman didn't actually solve the problem that night on the bus, we were ON THE ROAD (literally...lol) towards it by actually talking and interacting with eachother HONESTLY.
Something you don't see much in real life now a days.

But if we don't acknowledge it or pretend it doesn't exist or look at the problem and...out of pride or fear that our egos may be hurt...claim it AIN'T a problem...like so many Black men do....it's not going to get solved anytime soon.

Like the good Professor said, our status must be improved...but we first need to know where we stand in the world today and how other groups REALLY feel about us.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But in my mind, America should be DIFFERENT.
We shouldn't allow open racism and discrimination like that...especially from immigrants who come in here seeking a better way of life.

Reading that reminded me of the slave claiming the plantation as our home.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most men don't like admitting what they consider their "short comings".

Being honest and realistic with self is one of the keys to maturity. 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I mustered up the boldness to actually approach a dark skinned Indian woman (Dravidian)...

In everything you've written on this particular subject...two words have been on my fingertips....confidence and communication.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like the good Professor said, our status must be improved...but we first need to know where we stand in the world today and how other groups REALLY feel about us.

AfroAmerican men already know our status and how other groups feel about us. 

 

We have to continually show and prove (confidence) and speak up for ourselves (communicate). That's in all things. 

 

The average AfroAmerican man cannot sit back like The Mack and expect a buffet of snatch box to fall in his lap.

 

Only an open mouth gets fed. Communicate.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Reading that reminded me of the slave claiming the plantation as our home.

 

But even if we aren't the masters over it, this IS our home.

Much like a child living at home, even though he doesn't own or control it.

 

 

In everything you've written on this particular subject...two words have been on my fingertips....confidence and communication.

 

Facts.

 

 

 

AfroAmerican men already know our status and how other groups feel about us. 

 

You'd be suprised at how clueless some of these younger dudes are, especially at the depth of how much many of these other groups dislike and disrespect AfroAmericans.

Many of them have no idea until we bring it to their attention and THEN they start observing it for themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

Only an open mouth gets fed. Communicate

 

POWERFUL

That's a "word" for this Sunday...lol

[ProfD]

27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

 

Reading that reminded me of the slave claiming the plantation as our home.

 

But even if we aren't the masters over it, this IS our home.

Much like a child living at home, even though he doesn't own or control it.

When the child gets too sassy or out of line the homeowners will remind them of who pays the bills and is in charge.

27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You'd be suprised at how clueless some of these younger dudes are, especially at the depth of how much many of these other groups dislike and disrespect AfroAmericans.

Many of them have no idea until we bring it to their attention and THEN they start observing it for themselves.

The elders among Black men should be having those conversations with younger dudes instead of ignoring or demonizing them for one reason or another.

27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Only an open mouth gets fed. Communicate

 

POWERFUL

That's a "word" for this Sunday...lol

We might have a breakthrough. Won't the Supreme Being do it.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

The elders among Black men should be having those conversations with younger dudes instead of ignoring or demonizing them for one reason or another

 

Yes, and the younger dudes have to have enough good sense to LISTEN to the elders and respect the knowledge they're being given.

I'm talking about...as you said...ELDERS.
There's a difference between "Elders" and "Old Niggaz"...lol.

I'm not talking about taking advice from some old nigga sitting on a milk crate outside of a liquor store with no teeth in his mouth and a nappy white beard full of fried chicken crumbs and snot.
I'm talking about actual bonafide ELDERS who have a history and record of achievement and success in the community and will give sound advice.


Speaking of elders demonizing the youth........
 

It's one thing for old White women or Asian men or some other demographic to complain about the behavior of young AfroAmerican males.
They've never been one and don't know what they're going through or how they think.
However when you start hearing older Black males...just a generation or two above complaining about the behavior and thinking of so many if these young bruthaz, you have to acknowledge that THEIR criticisms may be legitimate because they've been there and realize something ain't right.

 

Like I mentioned in the other thread....
It's one thing to sag or wear baggy clothes.
It's another thing to wear skinny jeans but then pull the seat of them down just enough so that the public can see how dirty your drawers are and air out your butt hole.

Not only does it look disgusting in the eyes of ANY culture, but talk about gay as hell...man.

Must be something in the fake weed they're smoking that's fucking up the judgement of some of these young dudes.

To your point, I don't think they should be demonized.
I think some of them should just be written off and kept out of our community.

As Dr. Umar Johnson would say:  FOR GOOOOOOOOOOD!

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's one thing for old White women or Asian men or some other demographic to complain about the behavior of young AfroAmerican males.

Yet, they aren't complaining about any other group of males.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However when you start hearing older Black males...just a generation or two above complaining about the behavior and thinking of so many if these young bruthaz, you have to acknowledge that THEIR criticisms may be legitimate because they've been there and realize something ain't right.

No other group has a right to criticize our own nor should we legitimize it.

 

Every generation complains about those coming up behind them.

 

It's interesting that folks of an older generation spend the majority of their time f8cking off. 

 

Then, they get old and want to start complaining about younger folks doing the same dumb sh8t.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's another thing to wear skinny jeans but then pull the seat of them down just enough so that the public can see how dirty your drawers are and air out your butt hole.

Not only does it look disgusting in the eyes of ANY culture, but talk about gay as hell...man.

Agreed.  That look is disgusting.  I blame the Black men who are too weak and afraid to call it out. 

 

Every time I see that BS, I'm telling those n8gglets to pull up their pants.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

To your point, I don't think they should be demonized.
I think some of them should just be written off and kept out of our community.

As Dr. Umar Johnson would say:  FOR GOOOOOOOOOOD!

That's hilarious.

 

 We cannot write off or kick the n8gglets out the community. 

 

Black men need to keep it a buck and tell the youngin's what's up. That's all.

[Laydee Gaga]

Black men have the least amount of options in terms of sex access. I cannot say the same for BW. I have seen way more half black/jewish biracials, half black/insert any asian here biracials and more half black/insert any latino group here biracials with Black moms. When I say Jewish = small hats. I was surrounded by small hat biracials growing up, all had black moms. 

 

I did notice that these people asians, latinos, indians etc did not mess with each other even on a friendship level. If you ever see a diverse friend group, usually a white person or a black person is anchoring everyone. 

[Troy]

20 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Black men have the least amount of options in terms of sex access.

 

I'm not so sure about that.  You should probably make a distinction between have sex and making babies and getting married.

 

I only have a few diverse friend groups none are actually anchored by white people.  I have never though about those friend group in this way before but those anchors are people i really admire...

[Laydee Gaga]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

 

I'm not so sure about that.  You should probably make a distinction between have sex and making babies and getting married.

 

I only have a few diverse friend groups none are actually anchored by white people.  I have never though about those friend group in this way before but those anchors are people i really admire...

 

I meant what I said. BM have the least amount of options when it comes to sexual access. Theres no reason to make a distinction since im only talking about sexual access. 

 

Thats not what I meant by anchor. You wouldnt see a korean, mexican and an indian hanging out together unless their white friend was there or their black friend was there. Thats what I meant by anchor. I see this with little children as well. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Every generation complains about those coming up behind them.

 

Yes, but some complaints are more legitimate than others.

I think the criticisms of the 80s (Crack Era) Babies generation is well deserved, lol.

 

 

 

It's interesting that folks of an older generation spend the majority of their time f8cking off. 

Then, they get old and want to start complaining about younger folks doing the same dumb sh8t.

 

But they're not, that's the issue.

The older Baby Boomer generation for the most part not only help usher in the Civil Rights for AfroAmericans that we now enjoy but that generation and definitely the generations of AfroAmericans before it actually WORKED and STARTED BUSINESSES that provided a more economically independent and stable community than we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed.  That look is disgusting.  I blame the Black men who are too weak and afraid to call it out. 

 

Well.....
You can it whatever you like but when I see them dressed like that I don't say shit to them...lol.

Except maybe, "Excuse me, can I get by?  Thanks young man."

....and go on about my business, before I end up in somebody's Youtube video...lol.

 

 

Black men need to keep it a buck and tell the youngin's what's up. 

 

But the youngin's need to be willing to LISTEN and HEED the advice given to them.
Some of these crazy ass niggaz...you can't talk to.
The only thing they understand is EXPERIENCE and CONSEQUENCES.

 

You're trying to talk sense to him and he's sitting down with a tray in his lap with a razor blade, a cigar, and some fake weed crumbled up all over it -rolling blunts and licking them with some purple lips while grinning at you.

You can't do anything with that fool.

...besides...maybe....nod at him and smile as you walk pass to keep the peace until you can find a way to get him OUT of your community.  
FOR GOOOOOOOOD!
 

 

 

 

Laydee Gaga

 

I did notice that these people asians, latinos, indians etc did not mess with each other even on a friendship level. If you ever see a diverse friend group, usually a white person or a black person is anchoring everyone. 

You wouldnt see a korean, mexican and an indian hanging out together unless their white friend was there or their black friend was there. Thats what I meant by anchor. I see this with little children as well. 

We share the same observations.

I've said it before that most of these other groups don't associate with eachother outside of work.
And usually it's at a job White folks own or run where everyone by law is FORCED to be hired and work together.

But in their individual businesses..they almost never hire or work around other races of color except for maybe hiring illegals for cheap labor.
I've seen both East Asian and East Indian business owners do that.

 

Now how long would America....as we know it...last with THAT type of "stay to your own" mentality?
This place would look just like the countries they ran away from, with different factions and groups fighting with eachother.
 

Also as you said, it's usually a Black American or White ANCHOR that keeps the multi-racial unit glued together.
These non-FBA people of color are trying to fit in with "America" and in order to do that and learn the style and flow they need traditional "Americans" to do that....which are usually Black or White people.

Speaking of diverse group......

 

What I've seen routinely is if there is a diverse group of women of say...Black, White, Asian/Latina/East Indian mix or college girls.
They'll party together and have a good time among themselves.

Now, if a WHITE MAN comes among them to party and dance and hang out...still a lot of smiles and giggles and a good time.

 

But if a BLACK MAN comes among them, the Black and White women will often dance and flirt and laugh but like clockwork you'll see the Asian/Latina/East Indian women stop smiling as much and start looking around or looking more at their cell phones.
The mood changes  with them.

If a DOG or STRAY DEER wandered up on the dance floor, you'd see a warmer welcome from them than they'd give that brutha..lol.

[Troy]

11 hours ago, Laydee Gaga said:

I meant what I said. BM have the least amount of options when it comes to sexual access.

Then we’ll have to just agree to disagree. Given your name I assume you’re a woman, you should consider a Black man’s perspective on this issue. 

As far as anchors and friend groups, I did understand your definition. My personal experience simply does not support with it. 

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

 

 

Every generation complains about those coming up behind them.

 

Yes, but some complaints are more legitimate than others.

I think the criticisms of the 80s (Crack Era) Babies generation is well deserved, lol.

Which generations gave birth to 1980s Crack babies?

 

Which generation allowed drugs into Black communities?

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But they're not, that's the issue.

The older Baby Boomer generation for the most part not only help usher in the Civil Rights for AfroAmericans that we now enjoy but that generation and definitely the generations of AfroAmericans before it actually WORKED and STARTED BUSINESSES that provided a more economically independent and stable community than we have today.

Many baby Boomers thought Civil Rights leaders were stirring up trouble. Of course, they didn't mind benefitting from it. 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You're trying to talk sense to him and he's sitting down with a tray in his lap with a razor blade, a cigar, and some fake weed crumbled up all over it -rolling blunts and licking them with some purple lips while grinning at you.

I try not to disturb people while they're working.

 

Now, if his momma is in my prayer warrior group, I might drop a jewel or two of wisdom on his dome-piece.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Which generation allowed drugs into Black communities?

 

All of them since the 60s.
What could they do to stop it?

 

Many baby Boomers thought Civil Rights leaders were stirring up trouble. Of course, they didn't mind benefitting from it. 

 

True.

My Father used to tell me how Black men would sit up in barber shops down South talking about Martin Luther King and how them White folks would never allow integration or let you marry their women.
Them same niggaz would be the FIRST one to start inviting White women to the movies and sitting in the front row (instead of the balcony) after King and the Freedom Riders got things moving

[ProfD]

24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ll of them since the 60s.

What could they do to stop it?

Just say no.

24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

My Father used to tell me how Black men would sit up in barber shops down South talking about Martin Luther King and how them White folks would never allow integration or let you marry their women.

Them same niggaz would be the FIRST one to start inviting White women to the movies and sitting in the front row (instead of the balcony) after King and the Freedom Riders got things moving

Exactly. History doesn't tell that part.

 

It was those same type of n8gglets who set MLK Jr., Malcolm X and Fred Hampton, etc.

 

Nowadays, those same type of n8gglets were at the Diddy parties dancing around in baby oil and getting free happy beginnings and endings. They're notoriously silent right now too.

[Pioneer1]

Those Freak Off parties....
Another negative set of imagery they're going to promote to scare women of other races and ethnicities away from Black men.
 

Just shooting arrows left and right.
 

But sometimes these images have a way of backfiring.
A lot of White women seek out Black men LOOKING FOR those same hyper-sexual stereotypes they been told about us all of their lives.

Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes Black men have made was "down playing" our sexuality and our sexual power.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those Freak Off parties....
Another negative set of imagery they're going to promote to scare women of other races and ethnicities away from Black men.

They're among the silent folks who were at those parties. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of White women seek out Black men LOOKING FOR those same hyper-sexual stereotypes they been told about us all of their lives.

They were at the Diddy parties too. Not gonna air the laundry though.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes Black men have made was "down playing" our sexuality and our sexual power.

Other groups of people are fully aware of it. As I've mentioned, we are considered forbidden fruit.

 

Still, that's around not stopping other groups of people from getting at Black men all over the planet.

 

Ask any black man who's served in the military or played pro sports or entertainment industry. 

 

Kanye West pseudo-crazy azz seems to only attract a string of non-FBA women.

[Troy]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Kanye West pseudo-crazy azz seems to only attract a string of non-FBA women.

 

I'm sure he attracts a bevy or women, but chooses the non-FBA women. 

[Pioneer1]

Yes, but nearly all of Kanye's women are CAUCASIAN.

They may vary in ethnicity and "flavor" but they are all pretty much of the same race, which is variation of the Caucasian race.

Has anyone seen him with a Somali woman or Japanese woman or Zulu woman or Mestiza woman from Guatemala?


And that's another thing I've noticed.
Almost without fail, I seem to attract Caucasian women regardless of their ethnicity or cultural background even if the OTHER racial women of that group don't approach me.

For example, I can be around a bunch of Mexicans and the smaller brown Mestiza and Indigenous looking Latinas (whom I actually like more) will barely look at me, but the white looking very light skinned woman with the slim frame will stare at me, smile, and even make conversation.

Same with Turkish/Arab women.

It seems that Caucasian women have a natural attraction towards Black men.

[Pioneer1]

Let's stop beating around the bush and keep it real.

A lot of Black American men....probably even most....consider most non-Black women SUPERIOR and OUT OF REACH for them to date, let alone fuck, or marry.

That's real.

A situation has presented itself in this nation that we haven't seen since Jim Crow or perhaps Slavery itself.

Entire groups of women that Black American men have been PROGRAMMED/TRAINED/CONDITIONED to ignore and leave alone....or else.

But instead of it being that White woman who was put up on a pedestal.....
-better not touch her boy.
-better not even look at her.
-no reckless eyeballin' around here.

.....instead of the White woman who Black men was told was out of reach, now we have Arab, Asian, Indian, and most African women who are ALSO out of reach for Black American men.

Our bruthaz have been so TRAINED to leave these women alone that no matter how attractive they are, these bruthaz don't holla.
And if they DO holla and get dissed...they accept it and move on and are careful NOT to make that "mistake" again.

Now here's the problem.
Once Black men have been conditioned to see certain groups of women as "out of reach" or "out of their league" to have sex with or marry....how far will it go?
Will it next be socially acceptable for certain JOBS to be "out of our league" too?
What about housing and education?
If they can openly discriminate with us when it comes to getting pussy, what will stop them from discriminating against us with housing and jobs and loans and other things?
 

[ProfD]

20 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Let's stop beating around the bush and keep it real.

A lot of Black American men....probably even most....consider most non-Black women SUPERIOR and OUT OF REACH for them to date, let alone fuck, or marry.

That's real.

I've responsed to this whole post in the other thread. 

 

You're making assumptions based on your observations and perspective.

 

You're entitled to your VGQ but, for several reasons, it is skewed.

 

The dialog is cool but as we know, you're rigid in your opinions and beliefs. No changing it. We'll allow those doses to keep slapping you upside your head.

 

20 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Will it next be socially acceptable for certain JOBS to be "out of our league" too?
What about housing and education?
If they can openly discriminate with us when it comes to getting pussy, what will stop them from discriminating against us with housing and jobs and loans and other things?

Discrimination against AfroAmerican men has been ongoing since slavery supposedly ended.

 

However, many AfroAmerican men have built themselves in such a way to overcome discrimination. Especially when it comes to women.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

However, many AfroAmerican men have built themselves in such a way to overcome discrimination. Especially when it comes to women.

 

They're NOT overcoming it....and that's the problem.

They are IGNORING their racist and discriminatory treatment and focusing on the small percentage of women who AREN'T discriminating against us.
 

Like I said, if MOST Arab, Indian, Asian, and Latina women are not having any sort of sexual relationship with Black American men BECAUSE they are Black and for no other reason; and they are OPENLY saying this online and offline.
 

And we IGNORE it or TOLERATE it and instead focus on the just the FBA or few White women who DO want us...

That's not "overcoming"....that's SUBMITTING to being a victim of racism and accepting your position as a 2nd or possibly a 3rd or 4th class citizen.

 

Overcoming means CONFRONTING the racists over their racism and after the confrontation...winning.


Since we we're submitting to SEXUAL discrimination, what else are we SUBMITTING to as Black men?
 

If we try to check into a hotel and they say "we don't rent rooms to Black guys, sorry"
Should we be ok with THAT too and just move on and focus on the Holiday Inn or some hotel that does?
 

What about grocery stores that put up signs saying no Blacks allowed?
Should we ignore those and focus on the stores that WILL allow us in?

 

How far should we go in allowing people to openly discriminate against us as Black American men?

At what point is it no longer acceptable?
 

[ProfD]

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like I said, if MOST Arab, Indian, Asian, and Latina women are not having any sort of sexual relationship with Black American men BECAUSE they are Black and for no other reason; and they are OPENLY saying this online and offline.

How do you propose to get those women to think or feel differently?

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If we try to check into a hotel and they say "we don't rent rooms to Black guys, sorry"
Should we be ok with THAT too and just move on and focus on the Holiday Inn or some hotel that does?

We should use that motivation to build our own hotels.

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

What about grocery stores that put up signs saying no Blacks allowed?
Should we ignore those and focus on the stores that WILL allow us in?

We should build our own grocery stores.

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

How far should we go in allowing people to openly discriminate against us as Black American men?

We should build ourselves to become self-sufficient and independent. That would also make us more attractive and desirable to outsiders too.

 

Humans always wanna get with a winning program. Look no further than successful places and people. Everybody flocks to it.

 

Black men have to create it for themselves. Can't rely on Zaddy, er, white supremacists to fix the conditions and problems they  created for us.

 

I'm a huge football fan. Black players make up a majority of the National Football League (NFL) . They bring all of the flavor and excitement to the game.

 

Yet, Black folks own less than 1% of the NFL. No real owners. A couple of GMs and head coaches.

 

But, we complain about the NFL and NBA (National Basketball Association) too.  Nothing is stopping us from leaving those plantations and starting our own leagues...except us.

 

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

At what point is it no longer acceptable?

It's never been acceptable. The question remains when are we going to do something about it. Build our own sh8t.

 

That question usually leads to resignation...slumping on the couch and eating food bought from Asians or alcohol or drugs, smoking stinky weed or having s8x, etc.

 

The solution seems to non-productive behaviors when faced with the seemingly insurmountable task of doing something...action.

[Pioneer1]

Spittin' straight facts.
Can't argue with you on that last one....lol.


As far as......


How do you propose to get those women to think or feel differently?

I'm not sure.
I think pushing more positive images in the entertainment industry would be a great start.

More POSITIVE music with POSITIVE images of Black men.
More movies and movie roles with POSITIVE images of Black men.

When I say POSITIVE, I don't mean weak and sissified.
I mean strong, virile, masculine, tough....yet fair and honest and morally righteous.
More police officer roles and less criminal roles.
More roles as leaders, presidents, CEOs, etc...

I talked to one sista from Kenya who told me that she wanted to come to America and go to an HBCU strictly because of a show she used to watch on television when she was a kid.
I asked her what show was that?

She said,   A DIFFERENT WORLD

 

 

She said she was inlove with Dwayne Wayne and wanted to come to America, go to an HBCU, meet a man like HIM and join a sorority!

I'm not ashamed to say that when she told me that, my eyes juiced up just a little bit....not much...just a little....lol.
I met so many Black Americans who said they wanted to go to college because of a Different World but that was the first time I heard an African say that.
I didn't know they even GOT the show over there at that time.

That show...like the Cosby Show...is NOW long and gone.
What replaced it?

We didn't know what we had and how much of an impact it was having across the globe, but the devils did.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

More POSITIVE music with POSITIVE images of Black men.  More movies and movie roles with POSITIVE images of Black men.

Solid Black folks have to be in a position to control the content being commercialized.

 

Too many alphabet soup community, women and non-FBA folks  are willing to push the BS narratives about Black men.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

She said,   A DIFFERENT WORLD

 

She said she was inlove with Dwayne Wayne and wanted to come to America, go to an HBCU, meet a man like HIM... 

Right. Think about everything he represented. Non-threatening, educated Black man.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That show...like the Cosby Show...is NOW long and gone.

What replaced it?

Those Black TV shows from the 1990s laid the ground work for a POTUS Obama. 

 

Otherwise, those TV shows were replaced with either criminalizing or pussifying Black men.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We didn't know what we had and how much of an impact it was having across the globe, but the devils did.

By design, those 1990s Black TV shows ran concurrently with Gangsta Rap music.

 

The devils work on their program non-stop and decades in advance.

 

White supremacists are playing chess while Black folks are playing checkers or Go Fish.

[Pioneer1]

BTW.....

That sista from Kenya is ANOTHER sista who works in the Administrative department of my job who says she's being sexually harassed by her White co-workers and upper Managers.
She said 3 of them be messing with her.
We saw one messing around with her, and when I mentioned it to her one day she said he wasn't the only one and then mentioned two others!

And she's actually a supervisor herself.
One of the guys is actually BELOW her in that department but she says he's relentless with the jokes and the touching.

But she wants to focus more so on them being MEN than being White.
When we talk, she often finds a way to start saying how some Black men back in Kenya often behave the same way.
....which I'm in no position to argue with her over.

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That sista from Kenya...says she's being sexually harassed by her White co-workers and upper Managers.

Reads like there is a culture of s8xual harassment in that workplace. 

 

The issues will not get resolved as long as the victims aren't willing to report it. 

 

I don't believe a 3rd party whistleblower will make a difference. Unhealthy workplace.

[Pioneer1]

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Reads like there is a culture of s8xual harassment in that workplace. 

 

The issues will not get resolved as long as the victims aren't willing to report it. 

It is, but I've worked in MANY places like that before.
And about 80% of the time it's White men fucking with women of color whether they're Black or Latina.

Now I've worked on jobs where Black men would make lewd comments and entice sex from co-workers.
I've done it myself!
However I have NEVER harassed women.
I've PROPOSITIONED them...lol.
I've used the promise and delivery of BENEFITS and ASSISTANCE to get sex from them.
....not going to lie.
But harass them....no.
And by "harass" I mean, when she has made it CLEAR that she's not interested....continuing to pursue her and chase her around making comments and even touching.
That's a no no.
And most Black men that I've seen....don't harass women.
I've seen a FEW do it, but of the majority who DO pursue women and get their game on at work....the vast majority isn't of a "harassing" nature but of a MUTUAL attraction.

Again, this is from my PERSONAL observations.....but women themselves may have a different story to tell.
I've heard sistaz talk about how relentless some of these bruthaz are at work, on the street, etc....especially when they get dissed.


 

[ProfD]

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

And by "harass" I mean, when she has made it CLEAR that she's not interested....

I've heard sistaz talk about how relentless some of these bruthaz are at work, on the street, etc....especially when they get dissed.

Right. A woman should only have to say 'no' one time and be done with it.

 

Too often, many dudes have to be told more than twice that she's not interested.

[Pioneer1]

5 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Right. A woman should only have to say 'no' one time and be done with it.

 

Too often, many dudes have to be told more than twice that she's not interested.

And sometimes they STILL don't listen.

I'm not just saying this to sound like a good dude, I mean it......I couldn't force myself on a woman.

For me personally, part of sexual attraction is knowing that YOU are attracted to me.
It's one thing for me to be more attracted to you than you are to me.
But if I feel that you aren't attracted to me AT ALL....that in and of itself is a turn off.

I don't care how much I liked a woman, if she said she just wasn't interested and I knew she was serious...I'd get insulted and leave her ass alone anyway.

....and she'd have to BEG me to come back to her!

[ProfD]

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And sometimes they STILL don't listen.

I don't care how much I liked a woman, if she said she just wasn't interested and I knew she was serious...

One of the main reasons a dude keeps trying is because he has to believe she's seriously not interested.

 

It only gets worse from there in the form of harassment. 

 

I hope those persistent kinda dudes keep that same energy if they end up in prison and  stronger dudes start pressing and harassing them.

 

A straight line is the shortest distance between two points. 

 

The best thing a man can do if he's interested in a woman is to directly ask what it would take to get her attention.

 

Wait for her answer. Accept it. Move on to the next episode.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Even if a woman isn't initially interested, there are ways to GET her interested but harassing her isn't one of them.

Many of these dudes haven't been taught that.
 

Getting into relationships with women at your job or even in your neighborhood can have it's own issues, but one of the GOOD things about it is....you usually have TIME to win a woman over, lol.

The "go slow but drop jewels here and there once very few days" approach has worked WONDERS for me.
 

[ProfD]

26 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even if a woman isn't initially interested, there are ways to GET her interested but harassing her isn't one of them.

Many of these dudes haven't been taught that.

Sure.  A woman will let a man know if she's slightly interested. 

 

Some dudes think the caveman approach still works. 

 

Those clowns are going to wear the woman down or hit over the head with a club and drag her into the cave.  Ridiculous.

[Pioneer1]

6 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  A woman will let a man know if she's slightly interested. 

 

MAN....these young cats ain't hype to that "slightly interested"...lol.

They figure it's all or nothing.

I try to tell some of my nephews and cousins that if she shows ANY type of hope or promise....just be patient.

If she gave you her phone number.....that's a sign.
Keep calling every now a then.

If she smiles and carries on a conversation with you....that's a sign.
Have another one with her a few days later.

Be cool and give it some time!

But some of these dudes want to go on a dissing campaign after ANY immediate resistance.
Start going online dissing her on her facebook page and shit...lol.

As I've gotten older I've learned the value of knowing what WON'T work.

Even if I don't always know what DOES work....I often know what WON'T work...lol.

[ProfD]

7 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

MAN....these young cats ain't hype to that "slightly interested"...lol.

They figure it's all or nothing.

But some of these dudes want to go on a dissing campaign after ANY immediate resistance.

Some of them are way too emotional over dumb sh8t. 

 

I was in a Wendy's fast food spot yesterday.  A young dude  may have stood in line for 3 minutes.  They didn't take his order fast enough. 

 

The dude went ballistic.  Cursing and threatening to spit on the floor to "make them clean it up".  He stormed out of the place..  Still didn't have any food.

 

Now, imagine this same overly emotional n8gglet not getting any play from a woman. 

 

That clown might beat up a female and diss her on social media too. 

 

There's too much estrogen in some of these dudes.

[Pioneer1]

11 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

There's too much estrogen in some of these dudes.

 

Is it estrogen...or is it that fake ass weed so many of them are smoking that's causing so much emotional instability????

[ProfD]

6 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is it estrogen...or is it that fake ass weed so many of them are smoking that's causing so much emotional instability????

Too many dudes are being *raised* mainly by women.  They are taking on that emotional energy.  The fake azz weed probably makes it worse.