2nd Congressional sub committee on UAP/UFO...

[ProfD]

50 minutes ago, frankster said:

Several have been leaked...

The problem is you what Official Acknowledgement...

The leaks have only proven to be inconclusive by their own admissions under testimony.

 

50 minutes ago, frankster said:

Physical evidence has been produce....many times - Officialdom just ridicule it and explains it away

 

Too many have been....but all can be easily explained away based on available tech

Human beings have imagination.  Not surprised that artists have been drawing objects.  No different from science fiction writers.

 

Still, nothing proves the existence of UAPs/UFOs or ETs.

 

50 minutes ago, frankster said:

I Agree with President Reagan on this....only it do not have to be a threat - just the mere disclosure.

Disclosure would have to be irrefutable proof.  They would have to fire up the spaceship or have an alien locked up in a facility before most folks would believe it.'

 

POTUS Reagan was right to the extent that human beings were threatened by something else, they would close ranks and try to fight it.

 

50 minutes ago, frankster said:

It is not Capitalism.....it is Oligarchism

Oligarchs are recognized even in Putin's Russia.  However, to date, America refuses to acknowledge it is an oligarchy or aristocracy.  Still hiding behind democracy and capitalism.

 

I would welcome an alien life form coming down and forcing humans to close ranks and get along better with each other.  I just don't believe it's going to happen.  Not in my lifetime.

[frankster]

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

The leaks have only proven to be inconclusive by their own admissions under testimony.

It is a big step and to me it is conclusive and evidentiary.

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Human beings have imagination.  Not surprised that artists have been drawing objects.  No different from science fiction writers.

True.

Drawing the ones people are taking picture of today...

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Still, nothing proves the existence of UAPs/UFOs or ETs.

Those are enough for me.....

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Disclosure would have to be irrefutable proof.  They would have to fire up the spaceship or have an alien locked up in a facility before most folks would believe it.'

Well the spaceships have been seen...but refuted by officialdom.

Highly credible individuals have testified to the existence of Aliens here on earth and visiting earth.

Most Scientist today accept the existence of Intelligent extraterrestrial life.

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

POTUS Reagan was right to the extent that human beings were threatened by something else, they would close ranks and try to fight it.

That closing of ranks would squeeze out all hidden suppressed and forbidden knowledge

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Oligarchs are recognized even in Putin's Russia.  However, to date, America refuses to acknowledge it is an oligarchy or aristocracy.  Still hiding behind democracy and capitalism.

The "Robber Barons" were Oligarchs....their descendants are Aristocrats - and the descendants of Aristocrats often become Nobility through some form of or mixture of "carpet bagging" or "Gerrymandering" and acquiring Social Titles of Status.

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

I would welcome an alien life form coming down and forcing humans to close ranks and get along better with each other.  I just don't believe it's going to happen.  Not in my lifetime.

Whether or not it will happen how you want is unclear....but its been going on for centuries.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Drawing the ones people are taking picture of today...

Right.  Goes back to human imagination.  Abstract images and similar have always been reflected in artwork. 

 

There's no shortage of books, magazines, TV And film content of otherworldly phenomenon. 

 

Technology just allows us to capture and/or express our imagination and creativity better.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Well the spaceships have been seen...but refuted by officialdom.

As I just posted in the other thread, I'm looking for proof that cannot be hidden or suppressed by a handful of people.

 

We witness natural disasters, wars, accidents, etc.  The landing of a spaceship and/or arrival of ETs should be no different.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Highly credible individuals have testified to the existence of Aliens here on earth and visiting earth.

Who or what makes these people highly credible?

 

Again, these people do not have any receipts.  They're just talking about what they claim to believe.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Most Scientist today accept the existence of Intelligent extraterrestrial life.

Scientists are not exempt from being kooks. 

 

Renowned astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson refuses to admit that ETs exist.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

That closing of ranks would squeeze out all hidden suppressed and forbidden knowledge

Right now we live on a planet inhabited by 8 billion people.  That's almost 16 billion eyes open at any given time of day.  Earthlings are never all asleep at the same time. 

 

If anything extraordinary moves in the skies above or ground underneath, there will be more than a handful of witnesses. No confusion, hiding or suppression.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

The "Robber Barons" were Oligarchs....their descendants are Aristocrats - and the descendants of Aristocrats often become Nobility through some form of or mixture of "carpet bagging" or "Gerrymandering" and acquiring Social Titles of Status.

Sure. Seems like there's always been some form of 3% of the population controlling in one way or another the other 97% of it.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Whether or not it will happen how you want is unclear....but its been going on for centuries.

My skepticism is rooted in believing half of what I see and none of what I hear especially if there are no receipts i.e. proof.

 

So, for someone like myself, a spaceship would have to crash land in such a way that it could not be hidden or suppressed by a handful of people. 

 

People give themselves all type of credentials and claim to be experts in sh8t that either doesn't exist or doesn't really *matter* in the grand scheme of things.

[frankster]

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

Right.  Goes back to human imagination.  Abstract images and similar have always been reflected in artwork. 

The rendition is too similar to what we see today and call UFO......back then people normally imagine demons dragons and Angels.

 

Here is it....which came first the Boat or the imagination of the Boat

Now does that mean that the boat is unreal or nonexistent?

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

There's no shortage of books, magazines, TV And film content of otherworldly phenomenon. 

Not back in 1200 - early 1800's.

Books and Magazines were Not Popular....only the wealthy and or educated had access

Even then being burnt at the stake for talking about writing drawing or having such material in your possession is not uncommon

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

Technology just allows us to capture and/or express our imagination and creativity better.

True

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

As I just posted in the other thread, I'm looking for proof that cannot be hidden or suppressed by a handful of people.

The day UFOs stopped play

Most things can be hidden.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

We witness natural disasters, wars, accidents, etc.  The landing of a spaceship and/or arrival of ETs should be no different.

But it is different....it carries with it serious implications - Other world like our Own

Natural disasters are like deer crossing the Mexican/US border....no one cares - as soon as humans do especially if the going north whole different ball game

Other inhabited Planets a fact that was denied by scientists for years and a reason for Religionist to persecuted and kill 

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

Who or what makes these people highly credible?

The Positions that they held in Government....Makes them more credible than any ordinary individual with no specialize experience and knowledge

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

Again, these people do not have any receipts.  They're just talking about what they claim to believe.

First receipt is swearing as a eyewitness .

Second receipts is having instrumentation from different locations confirming.

Third is having Recordings and corroborations.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

Scientists are not exempt from being kooks. 

Until they are proven right

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

Renowned astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson refuses to admit that ETs exist.

True because he needs to acquiesce to Officialdom requirements....

 

Professor Michio Kaku & Ross Coulthart interview IN FULL | UFO UAP News

Have Aliens Visited Earth? | StarTalk 101 with Neil deGrasse Tyson

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

Right now we live on a planet inhabited by 8 billion people.  That's almost 16 billion eyes open at any given time of day.  Earthlings are never all asleep at the same time. 

Yes

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

If anything extraordinary moves in the skies above or ground underneath, there will be more than a handful of witnesses. No confusion, hiding or suppression.

True...and their are more - thousands more and better now.

But then there is also so much more technology to use to fake a UFO and Special effects Make Up are now so good....

For the Officials to create dis/misinformation.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

Sure. Seems like there's always been some form of 3% of the population controlling in one way or another the other 97% of it.

True...the Ruling Elite

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

My skepticism is rooted in believing half of what I see and none of what I hear especially if there are no receipts i.e. proof.

To that you are entitled...it just does not mean you are right - however it means you are being smart.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

So, for someone like myself, a spaceship would have to crash land in such a way that it could not be hidden or suppressed by a handful of people. 

Yes....Once it crashes the clean up crew will hide it all - Officialdom will spin it

 

Have you heard of the following yes or no?....

if not then please look into it and any video you use to form your opinion or know more about this incident please share -

here is the story in a nutshell

Recently it was said that aliens happen to step out of a worm hole like structure formed in the middle of a Miami Mall Bayside Marketplace causing extreme panic the police arrived to the tune of over 50 squad cars only to report saying it was kids rampaging with fire works.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 11:05 AM, ProfD said:

 

People give themselves all type of credentials and claim to be experts in sh8t that either doesn't exist or doesn't really *matter* in the grand scheme of things.

These gave themselves nothing.....they were cleared by the US Government

These guys were credential by the US Military for High Level Security Clearance in Various Compartmented and Special Operations units

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

The rendition is too similar to what we see today and call UFO......back then people normally imagine demons dragons and Angels.

*Normally* doesn't account for every artist and writer past to present. 

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Here is it....which came first the Boat or the imagination of the Boat

Now does that mean that the boat is unreal or nonexistent?

Humans have been able to study and build things i.e. science and engineering for a long time.

 

An ancient civilization built the pyramids several thousand years ago. 

Boat building doesn't require imagination.  Just a rudimentary understanding of physics and the necessity of traveling across water.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Not back in 1200 - early 1800's.

Books and Magazines were Not Popular....only the wealthy and or educated had access

Even then being burnt at the stake for talking about writing drawing or having such material in your possession is not uncommon

My point remains that human imagination allows the mind to produce what the eyes cannot see. 

 

Some folks can document the events of their mind's eye i.e. imagination.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

The day UFOs stopped play

Most things can be hidden.

Sure.  There is no shortage of financial incentives in a cover-up.  It sells news, books, magazines, TV, film, etc. 

 

Whole agencies, organizations and businesses are built around selling people on things they believe and cannot prove.

 

Christmas time is a great example.  They have been selling Santa Claus for 100s of years now.

 

Most adults know there is no obese white guy riding around on a sleigh powered by reindeer passing out gifts to a billion children.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

The Positions that they held in Government....Makes them more credible than any ordinary individual with no specialize experience and knowledge

Government officials specialize in telling lies.  It's a prerequisite of the job.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

First receipt is swearing as a eyewitness .

Neil DeGrasse Tyson in the  linked video said an eyewitness account is the weakest form of evidence.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Second receipts is having instrumentation from different locations confirming.

Third is having Recordings and corroborations.

Still, we don't have a couple hundred or thousand people claiming the exact same sighting. 

 

We don't have a camera crew onsite as NTSB goes over the spaceship wreckage and pulls bodies from it.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

But then there is also so much more technology to use to fake a UFO and Special effects Make Up are now so good....

For the Officials to create dis/misinformation.

This is becoming circular.  You're insisting there is or could be a cover-up. 

 

My point is a real UAP/UFO/ET would make itself known to more a handful of people.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

To that you are entitled...it just does not mean you are right - however it means you are being smart.

This isn't about being *right* or *wrong* or *smart*.  I'm entitled to my belief and opinion.  I do have a *right* to question everything presented to me.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Yes....Once it crashes the clean up crew will hide it all - Officialdom will spin it

Again, it never crashes in the most public places.

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Recently it was said that aliens happen to step out of a worm hole like structure formed in the middle of a Miami Mall Bayside Marketplace causing extreme panic the police arrived to the tune of over 50 squad cars only to report saying it was kids rampaging with fire works.

The Miami Mall story was debunked within minutes. 

 

Astronomers geek out over wormholes.  They theorize that it would take a huge amount of energy to create a wormhole.  Yet, they have zero proof or evidence that wormholes exist.

 

Amazingly, it doesn't much to get folks on board with these beliefs.  Crazy that many of these "scientists" have gray hair i.e. they're old fools, er, folks trying to sell the rest of us into believing this stuff exists,

 

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

These gave themselves nothing.....they were cleared by the US Government

These guys were credential by the US Military for High Level Security Clearance in Various Compartmented and Special Operations units

Government credentials aren't that hard to get.  Bad actors i.e. terrorists and other criminals have been able to steal them.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

*Normally* doesn't account for every artist and writer past to present. 

True

but if the artist drew what typical recognize as a bird we would all agree that it was a bird.

The artist draws what he sees in the sky.....that fits what we typically call a UFO - now the artist is imaging things??

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Humans have been able to study and build things i.e. science and engineering for a long time.

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

An ancient civilization built the pyramids several thousand years ago. 

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Boat building doesn't require imagination. 

I disagree

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Just a rudimentary understanding of physics and the necessity of traveling across water.

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

My point remains that human imagination allows the mind to produce what the eyes cannot see. 

It also allows them to draw what the eyes see

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Some folks can document the events of their mind's eye i.e. imagination.

Yes

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  There is no shortage of financial incentives in a cover-up.  It sells news, books, magazines, TV, film, etc. 

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Whole agencies, organizations and businesses are built around selling people on things they believe and cannot prove.

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Christmas time is a great example.  They have been selling Santa Claus for 100s of years now.

 

Most adults know there is no obese white guy riding around on a sleigh powered by reindeer passing out gifts to a billion children.

true.

but then again it depends on how you want to look at it

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Government officials specialize in telling lies.  It's a prerequisite of the job.

Yes....for the Government

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Neil DeGrasse Tyson in the  linked video said an eyewitness account is the weakest form of evidence.

True...it is just strong enough to sent the accused to the death chamber - weak but still evidence

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Still, we don't have a couple hundred or thousand people claiming the exact same sighting. 

In some cases we do...

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

We don't have a camera crew onsite as NTSB goes over the spaceship wreckage and pulls bodies from it.

True

Whenever a UFO crashes camera and crew is most definitely there....the resulting recordings are only for a select few set of eyes

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

This is becoming circular.  You're insisting there is or could be a cover-up. 

Yes....and so are the men who testified

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

My point is a real UAP/UFO/ET would make itself known to more a handful of people.

In all likelihood they have

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

This isn't about being *right* or *wrong* or *smart*.  I'm entitled to my belief and opinion.  I do have a *right* to question everything presented to me.

True...so do I

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Again, it never crashes in the most public places.

The Miami Mall story was debunked within minutes. 

Debunked by whom officialdom.

What convinced you it was all bull shyte?

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Astronomers geek out over wormholes.  They theorize that it would take a huge amount of energy to create a wormhole.  Yet, they have zero proof or evidence that wormholes exist.

Imagination First then .....

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Amazingly, it doesn't much to get folks on board with these beliefs.  Crazy that many of these "scientists" have gray hair i.e. they're old fools, er, folks trying to sell the rest of us into believing this stuff exists,

We all fools until proven correct wise right or smart

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Government credentials aren't that hard to get.  Bad actors i.e. terrorists and other criminals have been able to steal them.

Are you suggesting that these guys who testified stole theirs?

[ProfD]

8 hours ago, frankster said:

The artist draws what he sees in the sky.....that fits what we typically call a UFO - now the artist is imaging things??

Correct. The imagination of an artist allows them to combine real and abstract.

 

What we call a UFO could have been a shooting star, asteroid, meteor, comet, etc.

 

The artist using their imagination could have embellished on a cloud formation or some other celestial phenomenon. 

 

8 hours ago, frankster said:

It also allows them to draw what the eyes see

No doubt. Artists can create the seen and umseen. Doesn't have to be real.

 

8 hours ago, frankster said:

True...it is just strong enough to sent the accused to the death chamber - weak but still evidence

Another human flaw is passing judgment and punishing people for their beliefs, lifestyle, social status, etc.

 

8 hours ago, frankster said:

Whenever a UFO crashes camera and crew is most definitely there....the resulting recordings are only for a select few set of eyes

Therein lies the problem. 99.99% of the population didn't witness it.

8 hours ago, frankster said:

Yes....and so are the men who testified

They aren't credible without evidence and proof.

8 hours ago, frankster said:

Debunked by whom officialdom.

What convinced you it was all bull shyte?

No proof or evidence.

8 hours ago, frankster said:

We all fools until proven correct wise right or smart

Just like thieves and liars, some folks enjoy trafficking in deceit and deception.

 

A wise person keeps their 3rd eye open at all times.

8 hours ago, frankster said:

Are you suggesting that these guys who testified stole theirs?

I'm not suggesting these men stole their credentials. I'm typing that it's not hard to obtain them.

 

Past up to present, there are many military and civilians with higher level clearances in various areas of national security.

 

Over several deacades, for thousands of people to have access to information makes it improbable that any credible proof or evidence of UAP/UFO/ET has never been leaked.

[frankster]

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Correct. The imagination of an artist allows them to combine real and abstract.

How do you know what is real?

when it resembles something you have seen.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

What we call a UFO could have been a shooting star, asteroid, meteor, comet, etc.

Yes...that's exactly what officialdom says.

Problem with that is some of the drawings have what appears to be pilots in what appears to be UFO...so the explanation does not stand.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

The artist using their imagination could have embellished on a cloud formation or some other celestial phenomenon. 

True

The artist tend to involve something that lets you know its not a cloud or celestial phenomenon

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

No doubt. Artists can create the seen and umseen. Doesn't have to be real.

That is true....

In some cases the artist let you know that what is painted is real by having animals and or human looking up at the UFO.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Another human flaw is passing judgment and punishing people for their beliefs, lifestyle, social status, etc.

True

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Therein lies the problem. 99.99% of the population didn't witness it.

It only takes one person.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

They aren't credible without evidence and proof.

These Eyewitnesses testimony is Evidence.....enough for me

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

No proof or evidence.

Eyewitness and Instrumentation recordings

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Just like thieves and liars, some folks enjoy trafficking in deceit and deception.

True

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

A wise person keeps their 3rd eye open at all times.

Yes

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'm not suggesting these men stole their credentials. I'm typing that it's not hard to obtain them.

Really

Maybe fraudulent ones are easy to come by....

Real ones are most definitely not.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Past up to present, there are many military and civilians with higher level clearances in various areas of national security.

Yes

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Over several deacades, for thousands of people to have access to information makes it improbable that any credible proof or evidence of UAP/UFO/ET has never been leaked.

Credible Evidence has been leaked....but it has been refuted by officialdom

The same leaked evidence refuted today.....if approved tomorrow by officialdom - would be accepted as credible

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, frankster said:

How do you know what is real?

when it resembles something you have seen.

Right. We typically consider real that which we can perceive with our sensory system and confirm.

7 hours ago, frankster said:

Problem with that is some of the drawings have what appears to be pilots in what appears to be UFO...so the explanation does not stand.

No way I would believe that hundreds of years ago, UAPs/UFOs had windows and doors and flew low enough for an observer to see them and draw a picture.

 

7 hours ago, frankster said:

The artist tend to involve something that lets you know its not a cloud or celestial phenomenon

 

In some cases the artist let you know that what is painted is real by having animals and or human looking up at the UFO.

The artist is doing what they do....being creative.

7 hours ago, frankster said:

It only takes one person.

 

These Eyewitnesses testimony is Evidence.....enough for me

 

Eyewitness and Instrumentation recordings

You're not alone in believing it.

 

There are many of us who do not believe in it.

 

Either way...it's OK. Life remains the same for all of us.

 

7 hours ago, frankster said:

Maybe fraudulent ones are easy to come by....

Real ones are most definitely not.

A squeaky clean background investigation makes it easy to get a high level clearance.

7 hours ago, frankster said:

Credible Evidence has been leaked....but it has been refuted by officialdom

The same leaked evidence refuted today.....if approved tomorrow by officialdom - would be accepted as credible

The only credible evidence most folks will accept is physical proof and/or signs of life.

 

Written reports and fuzzy pictures and microfiche won't cut it as credible evidence and proof of UAP/UFO/ET existence.

[frankster]

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Right. We typically consider real that which we can perceive with our sensory system and confirm.

Eyes are part of our sensory system

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

No way I would believe that hundreds of years ago, UAPs/UFOs had windows and doors and flew low enough for an observer to see them and draw a picture.

You do not have to believe some of these paintings been around from 1200's

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The artist is doing what they do....being creative.

No doubt.

They also conveying their Truth

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

You're not alone in believing it.

I know

I especially appreciate The Dogons of Mali and The Sangoma Credo Mutwa of South Africa they confirm my knowledge of UFO and Extraterrestrial Intelligence.

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

There are many of us who do not believe in it.

That's fine......not believing will not affect UFO's

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Either way...it's OK. Life remains the same for all of us.

True

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

• A squeaky clean background investigation makes it easy to get a high level clearance.

it helps

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The only credible evidence most folks will accept is physical proof and/or signs of life.

True....those are the Gold Standard.

Alien Biologics and Alien Implants have also been found and explained away.

 

29 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Written reports and fuzzy pictures and microfiche won't cut it as credible evidence and proof of UAP/UFO/ET existence.

They all help in outing the liars who keep the cover up going...

[ProfD]

14 hours ago, frankster said:

Eyes are part of our sensory system

I knew you were going to point it out.  Eyes are just one part of our sensory system.  Any one part of our sensory system can be compromised.  That's why I added confirm which requires a combination of senses. 

 

 

14 hours ago, frankster said:

You do not have to believe some of these paintings been around from 1200's

Paintings can be forged and manipulated too.  

 

14 hours ago, frankster said:

I especially appreciate The Dogons of Mali and The Sangoma Credo Mutwa of South Africa they confirm my knowledge of UFO and Extraterrestrial Intelligence.

The one thing they have in common is white folks dropping in to study and steal information from them and white folks writing books about their *discoveries*. 

 

 

14 hours ago, frankster said:

Alien Biologics and Alien Implants have also been found and explained away.

 

They all help in outing the liars who keep the cover up going...

So, over several generations, we should believe the Reptilians have been running the show.

[frankster]

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

I knew you were going to point it out.  Eyes are just one part of our sensory system.  Any one part of our sensory system can be compromised.  That's why I added confirm which requires a combination of senses. 

Which is Why I mentioned Instrument and or Recordings

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Paintings can be forged and manipulated too.  

Yes...

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

The one thing they have in common is white folks dropping in to study and steal information from them and white folks writing books about their *discoveries*.

True...

The Information which was stolen speaks of a Star System from Which Intelligent Beings Originated and Travel to Earth 

This information  is corroborated by the South African Shamans and Egyptian Stories of The Dog Star

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

So, over several generations, we should believe the Reptilians have been running the show.

That's another subject...

[frankster]

5yrs ago..

The Language changed ever so slightly

From:- UFOs do not exist...

To:- UFOs exist.. but we do not know what they are

Now:- UFOs are being called UAPs

 

 

Time stamp:- 1:30 - 1:34

 

Former Nevada Sen. Harry Reid shares what he saw at Area 51, thoughts on UFOs

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, frankster said:

5yrs ago..

The Language changed ever so slightly

From:- UFOs do not exist...

To:- UFOs exist.. but we do not know what they are

Now:- UFOs are being called UAPs

The name changes but the objective remains the same...to keep people engaged in believing it.

[frankster]

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

The name changes but the objective remains the same...to keep people engaged in believing it.

It has pass the point of belief....We now have Military Electronic Surveillance Recordings.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

It has pass the point of belief....We now have Military Electronic Surveillance Recordings.

We as in Joe Q. Public don't have anything.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

We as in Joe Q. Public don't have anything.

We as in US John Q. Public....The information is in the public domain.

It is your choice  whether or not to accept as true or not....

The information that has been made available through The Freedom Of Information Act.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, frankster said:

We as in US John Q. Public....The information is in the public domain.

It is your choice  whether or not to accept as true or not....

The information that has been made available through The Freedom Of Information Act.

Definitive information on the existence of UAP/UFO/ET is not in the public domain.  Not even through FOIA (Freedom of Information Act).

 

 That's why they're hauling whistleblowers up to Capitol Hill to spill the beans.  Their cans are empty so far.

 

 

[frankster]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Definitive information on the existence of UAP/UFO/ET is not in the public domain.

I have Gotten what is definitive enough for me....

It seems for you and my skeptics nothing short of Officialdom  stamp of approval of Evidence already provided will be enough...

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 Not even through FOIA (Freedom of Information Act).

It would not make a difference to you....if they did.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

 That's why they're hauling whistleblowers up to Capitol Hill to spill the beans.  Their cans are empty so far.

They have spill the beans.....but officialdom propaganda has a hold on most

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

It seems for you and my skeptics nothing short of Officialdom  stamp of approval of Evidence already provided will be enough...

 

It would not make a difference to you....if they did.

I don't want a stamp of approval from Officialdom.  I want to see the UAP/EFO/ET for myself.  No confusion.

[frankster]

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

I don't want a stamp of approval from Officialdom.  I want to see the UAP/EFO/ET for myself.  No confusion.

you been seeing them...in pictures and paintings from all over the world.

Where?...Do you want to see this UFO?

Picture Videos and instrumentation is not enough???

 

I remember when all we had was words....well is we only had more credible individuals

Well we now have credible individuals...well if we only had better evidence

well now we got better evidence..... well if only you had a picture.

well now we have pictures...well if its was only clearer less fuzzy

well now we have videos....well if only you had corroborating evidence

Now we have radar and other instrumentation...well if you only had ....

 

now we have so much more - yet for many a skeptics that is not enough.

You do not know it but what you waiting on is officialdom to approve.

 

 

[ProfD]

43 minutes ago, frankster said:

Where?...Do you want to see this UFO?

 

now we have so much more - yet for many a skeptics that is not enough.

You do not know it but what you waiting on is officialdom to approve.

It doesn't have to come from officialdom.   

 

I want to see the UAP/UFO/ET whenever and wherever it lands and/or receive indisputable evidence and proof. 

 

For example, the wildfires in California are very real.  I don't have to be out there to know it's happening.

 

As I wrote earlier, a personality quirk is that I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear without confirmation.

 

The UAP/UFO/ET thing should be no different from any other event.

[frankster]

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

It doesn't have to come from officialdom.   

Okay cool....

Do you know/believe that electrons are real?

 

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

I want to see the UAP/UFO/ET whenever and wherever it lands and/or receive indisputable evidence and proof. 

Look thats understandable we would all like that...

Have you Consider the fact that a powerful group of people in Governement wants to keep that info hidden?

 

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

For example, the wildfires in California are very real.  I don't have to be out there to know it's happening.

How do you know that they are fires out there in California?

Why are so sure they are there?

 

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

As I wrote earlier, a personality quirk is that I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear without confirmation.

Yes you did...we all have our idiosyncrasies

 

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

The UAP/UFO/ET thing should be no different from any other event.

True....and it isn't

It is being kept secret by propaganda and officialdom is part of this cabal - knowingly or unknowingly.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Do you know/believe that electrons are real?

I believe electrons are real to the extent of what science teaches us about atoms. 

 

I have not done any atomic experiments to isolate electrons, protons and neutrons.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Have you Consider the fact that a powerful group of people in Governement wants to keep that info hidden?

I can imagine why a powerful group of people would want to hide such information.  I don't believe they could hide such a thing if it really exists.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

How do you know that they are fires out there in California?

Why are so sure they are there?

Constant media coverage and personal testimonies of people living through it.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

It is being kept secret by propaganda and officialdom is part of this cabal - knowingly or unknowingly.

I just cannot give a handful of people that much credit in keeping proof of UAP/UFO/ET existence a secret from 8 billion people.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I believe electrons are real to the extent of what science teaches us about atoms. 

Yet you believe... you think you believe because science says.

You really believe because Credible Individuals say so and officialdom approves of what they are saying.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I have not done any atomic experiments to isolate electrons, protons and neutrons.

Exactly

You have not done the science nor witness the experiments or particles

.....yet you accept. 

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I can imagine why a powerful group of people would want to hide such information.  I don't believe they could hide such a thing if it really exists.

It is no longer hidden......the information is out there but you not seeing it because propaganda is and has blinded you to the fact...

Whistleblowers are trying to left that veil.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Constant media coverage and personal testimonies of people living through it.

Well good....we also have the testimonies going back yrs...of people living with and through UFO encounters

The media coverage for yrs was negative derisive and mocking....

Enquirer globe and star etc carried out a - Disinformation campaigns for decades...all done under the auspices of the CIA and the UFO cabal(MJ12)

You are now witnessing the change in media coverage...

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I just cannot give a handful of people that much credit in keeping proof of UAP/UFO/ET existence a secret from 8 billion people.

It is not so much a secret but that they constantly deny it with officialdom stamp of approval.....propaganda is what hids it - people already know.

The West is not the world....so it is not 8 billion.

Most Africans and Asians do accept the idea of Plurality of Worlds or Cosmic Pluralism.....It is Western Cultural Imperialism that is forcing a change to that status quo

[ProfD]

15 hours ago, frankster said:

Yet you believe... you think you believe because science says.

You really believe because Credible Individuals say so and officialdom approves of what they are saying.

 

Exactly

You have not done the science nor witness the experiments or particles

.....yet you accept. 

I knew where you were going with that question. 

 

As a human being, I'm composed of matter which is a bunch of atoms according to science.  I accept the scientific information because *I* exist. 

.  

15 hours ago, frankster said:

It is no longer hidden......the information is out there but you not seeing it because propaganda is and has blinded you to the fact...

Whistleblowers are trying to left that veil.

The information is not available to everyone like a science textbook.

 

15 hours ago, frankster said:

Well good....we also have the testimonies going back yrs...of people living with and through UFO encounters

The media coverage for yrs was negative derisive and mocking....

Enquirer globe and star etc carried out a - Disinformation campaigns for decades...all done under the auspices of the CIA and the UFO cabal(MJ12)

You are now witnessing the change in media coverage...

The media is pretending to uncover if there is any truth regarding the existence of UAP/FO/ET. 

 

Conspiracy theories and unexplained phenomena sells news, magazines, books, movies, etc.

 

15 hours ago, frankster said:

It is not so much a secret but that they constantly deny it with officialdom stamp of approval.....propaganda is what hids it - people already know.

The West is not the world....so it is not 8 billion.

Why is it only that the west is mainly making these claims of UAP/UFO/ET?

 

15 hours ago, frankster said:

Most Africans and Asians do accept the idea of Plurality of Worlds or Cosmic Pluralism.....

Why aren't they showing the evidence and proof of UAP/UFO/ET?

 

15 hours ago, frankster said:

It is Western Cultural Imperialism that is forcing a change to that status quo

I don't believe western cultural imperialism is capable of forcing billions of people throughout the world to hide any evidence or proof of UAP/UFO/ET existence.

[frankster]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

I knew where you were going with that question. 

True

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

As a human being, I'm composed of matter which is a bunch of atoms according to science.  I accept the scientific information because *I* exist. 

Exactly you accept...without a stitch of proof beyond the say so of credible individuals and the approval of officialdom

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

.  

The information is not available to everyone like a science textbook.

Of course it is not.....it is not approved by Officialdom

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

The media is pretending to uncover if there is any truth regarding the existence of UAP/FO/ET. 

The Media does the biddings of officialdom 85% of the time....

Whistleblowers risk much to bring it to media....who often refuse to print.

Then you end up with one of the three discredit and unapproved mocking sisters - Enquirer etc

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Conspiracy theories and unexplained phenomena sells news, magazines, books, movies, etc.

Yes...some do sexy females and fit muscle bound men.

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Why is it only that the west is mainly making these claims of UAP/UFO/ET?

No...its not only the West

African and East Indians have been making the claim long before the West....

Africans Have a long history of Knowledge of intelligent beings from the stars people called the Chituari and the Nommo

As a matter of fact some Africans can name the star system they were from....sure you have heard of the Dogon of Mali

 

Heres is a story you might find interesting....one that would resound with @Pioneer1

Back in the 1920's South Africa when White Racist National Party was being founded and began  talking of introducing  Apartheid..

Panic was rife throughout the Native African Community...

One Prominent African Politician had to scold his comrades for their talk of star people coming to save them...

That instead they should unite their efforts.

 

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Why aren't they showing the evidence and proof of UAP/UFO/ET?

The Dogon have release some knowledge.....that I see as proof

The Indian Vedas certainly minces no words about these beings

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

I don't believe western cultural imperialism is capable of forcing billions of people throughout the world to hide any evidence or proof of UAP/UFO/ET existence.

You do not know how easy that is...to do - you do not have to hid it all just give it a new meaning and explanation.

 

I remember listening to an African griot from NE African tellings us that the libraries of Timbuctu and Alexanderia were not burned...but stolen

The scrolls books and manuscripts were stolen And so the African keepers of the knowledge hid many of the surviving books....

After the Europeans learned from the Africans how to read the Heiroglyphics....

They murdered any existing African who could read  it and then pretended they deciphered Ancient Egyptian Heiroglyphics

He went  as far as to state that all of Isaac Newton and Francis Bacon discoveries and invention are but rip off from the Alexanderian Library.

In the early 1990's over a thousand Manuscripts from One African Keeper in Niger was released...Manuscripts dating from the 11 century 

As a result I believe every word that griot told us in the late 1970's

 

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Exactly you accept...without a stitch of proof beyond the say so of credible individuals and the approval of officialdom

Science has been proven, taught and accepted for centuries.  The results can be reproduced.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

African and East Indians have been making the claim long before the West....

Africans Have a long history of Knowledge of intelligent beings from the stars people called the Chituari and the Nommo

As a matter of fact some Africans can name the star system they were from....sure you have heard of the Dogon of Mali

Do they have a physical proof and evidence of encounters?

 

I have read about the Dogon of Mali.  

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Back in the 1920's South Africa when White Racist National Party was being founded and began  talking of introducing  Apartheid..

Panic was rife throughout the Native African Community...

One Prominent African Politician had to scold his comrades for their talk of star people coming to save them...

That instead they should unite their efforts.

D8mn shame that star people did not prevent that horrible system of oppression.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

The Dogon have release some knowledge.....that I see as proof

The Indian Vedas certainly minces no words about these beings

That it's sufficient enough for you is cool.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

You do not know how easy that is...to do - you do not have to hid it all just give it a new meaning and explanation.

I think it's hard to hide UAP/UFO/ET crafts and bodies if they have been crash landing around the planet for decades.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

I remember listening to an African griot from NE African tellings us that the libraries of Timbuctu and Alexanderia were not burned...but stolen

 

As a result I believe every word that griot told us in the late 1970's

It's very interesting that African griots can tell stories that are hundreds of years old. 

 

Even more interesting that Africans were supposedly the original scientists, engineers, doctors, etc.

 

Then, it doesn't make sense that non-Africans colonized and built the rest of the world to include the continent of Africa.

 

But I digress...

 

if UAP/UFO/ET really want to make themselves known to us, crash land in my back yard.  I'm shooting video, live streaming and the whole 9 yards.

[frankster]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Science has been proven, taught and accepted for centuries.  The results can be reproduced.

Yes but you haven't done the work yourself.....you take the word of others in whom you trust

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Do they have a physical proof and evidence of encounters?

Some do....especially in South America

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

I have read about the Dogon of Mali.  

Good

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

D8mn shame that star people did not prevent that horrible system of oppression.

True

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

That it's sufficient enough for you is cool.

Yep I find the people credible...

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

I think it's hard to hide UAP/UFO/ET crafts and bodies if they have been crash landing around the planet for decades.

Course you do

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

It's very interesting that African griots can tell stories that are hundreds of years old. 

Yes they do

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Even more interesting that Africans were supposedly the original scientists, engineers, doctors, etc.

Yes they were..

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Then, it doesn't make sense that non-Africans colonized and built the rest of the world to include the continent of Africa.

Civilizations rise and fall...

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

But I digress...

That's cool..

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

if UAP/UFO/ET really want to make themselves known to us, crash land in my back yard.  I'm shooting video, live streaming and the whole 9 yards.

No body would believe you except propable me....

The only paper that would print your story would most likely be the......enquirer

[ProfD]

13 hours ago, frankster said:

Yes but you haven't done the work yourself.....you take the word of others in whom you trust

We take for granted that which has already been proven and/or is factual. 

 

Many folks are skeptical when it comes to information devoid of evidence, proof, facts, etc.

 

13 hours ago, frankster said:

Civilizations rise and fall...

Empires rise and fall.  Modern civilization is several thousand years old. 

 

13 hours ago, frankster said:

No body would believe you except propable me....

The only paper that would print your story would most likely be the......enquirer

Maybe so.  But, as I have been trying to point out, modern technology makes it harder to discredit real evidence and proof.

[frankster]

57 minutes ago, ProfD said:

We take for granted that which has already been proven and/or is factual. 

It is more like we accept that which credible people  say is proven and or is factual...especially when officialdom approves

 

57 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Many folks are skeptical when it comes to information devoid of evidence, proof, facts, etc.

I have provided the same type of information only difference is that officialdom done does not approve.

 

57 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Empires rise and fall.  Modern civilization is several thousand years old. 

Modernity began with the Industrial Revolution or the Renaisseance making it approximately 300 - 700 yrs old.....not thousands

It seems you are referencing European Civilizations which began with Greece and or Rome....3600 - 2900 yrs ago - neither of which would be considered mondern.

 

57 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Maybe so.  But, as I have been trying to point out, modern technology makes it harder to discredit real evidence and proof.

No modern technology makes it easier to explain away.... as some from of - SFX VFX CGI AI or Digital Compositing/Camera tricks.

To the public at large who do not understand the capabilities and or  limits of a particular technology .....

.All they need to do is create confusion and sow doubt.....mission accomplish

Add a little mocking ridicule and the conversation is over and the public at large is satisfied ...

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

I have provided the same type of information only difference is that officialdom done does not approve.

Did your information include proof and evidence?

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Modernity began with the Industrial Revolution or the Renaisseance making it approximately 300 - 700 yrs old.....not thousands

It seems you are referencing European Civilizations which began with Greece and or Rome....3600 - 2900 yrs ago - neither of which would be considered mondern.

OK.  I see how you're defining modernity.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

No modern technology makes it easier to explain away.... as some from of - SFX VFX CGI AI or Digital Compositing/Camera tricks.

Sure.  Technology can be used both ways to deceive and to prove.

[frankster]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Did your information include proof and evidence?

Mostly Evidence..

Remember Evidence becomes proof when it is considerd strong enoug to establish a fact as true beyond a reasonably doubt...

The testimonies given are such 

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

OK.  I see how you're defining modernity.

How are you defining Modernity?

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  Technology can be used both ways to deceive and to prove.

 True

 

 

interesting points being made by another very credible individual below

interest points:-

time stamp:

11:35 - the UFO part starts

21:40 - 26:05

36:20 - 37:18

37:32 - 38:01

The Government's UFO Problem with Christopher Mellon

 

 

Understand that the US Government is telling you that they are Real.....you just not hearing 

Due to  of years of indoctrination and exposure to propaganda....... you are now unable to process the about face.

You are experinencing Cognitive Dissonance..

 

Unidentified: Former Defense Official Says UFOs are Real | History

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, frankster said:

How are you defining Modernity?

I'm defining modernity as the period of time humans have been able to survive, apply science, engineering and technology, build things, form governments, etc.

 

3 hours ago, frankster said:

interesting points being made by another very credible individual...

What makes this individual credible?

3 hours ago, frankster said:

Understand that the US Government is telling you that they are Real.....you just not hearing 

Due to  of years of indoctrination and exposure to propaganda....... you are now unable to process the about face.

You are experinencing Cognitive Dissonance..

I'm not experinencing cognitive dissonance. My position is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

 

Supposedly there's no cure for cancer. Yet,  trillions of dollars have been spent researching it.

 

Same goes for UAP/UFO/ET phenomenon. A whole lot of money can be generated from it.

[frankster]

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'm defining modernity as the period of time humans have been able to survive, apply science, engineering and technology, build things, form governments, etc.

Ok cool...The definition you give fits when a particular culture is considered a Civilization.

Modernizations is mark by Mechanization and Automatization.

 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

What makes this individual credible?

His Credentials are as follows...

 

 

Christopher Mellon spent nearly 20 years in the U.S. Intelligence Community, including serving as the Minority Staff Director of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. In the Senate, he conceived and drafted the legislation establishing the US Special Operations Command in 1986 while working as an aide for U.S. Senator William S. Cohen (R-ME).

 

He has taught at Georgetown University, authored a number of articles on public policy issues, and received numerous awards including the National Reconnaissance Office Gold Medal, the DIA Director’s Medal, and the Secretary of Defense Public Service Award. Mr. Mellon has also served as the Chairman of the Science Committee at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History.

 

He earned his B.A. from Colby College and his M.A. from Yale University. Since retiring from federal service Mr. Mellon has been working as a private equity investor engaged in biotech and information technology start-ups. He also appears in the History Channel TV series UNIDENTIFIED, and plays a prominent role in the movie “The Phenomenon."

https://www.christophermellon.net/

 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'm not experinencing cognitive dissonance. My position is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

In this space we are sharing....the best form of evidence i can present is words pictures and videos.

The claims are being made by individuals in a position to know....They are former government officials

Stating on the record that UFO's are real

 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Supposedly there's no cure for cancer. Yet,  trillions of dollars have been spent researching it.

can't see relevance???

First off Cancer is real....And they have treatments for cancer as a result of the research.

There are also some individuals who claimed to have a cure and have cured cancer in sick individuals.

 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Same goes for UAP/UFO/ET phenomenon. A whole lot of money can be generated from it.

Yes it does generate money...

Are you saying they should do it with out receiving some kind of renumeration?

Most people who testify to the existence of UFO...tend to lose their jobs business livelihood and sometimes even their lives.

 

 

 

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, frankster said:

His Credentials are as follows...

Weren't his credentials bestowed upon him by officialdom?

 

Still, in all of his talking, the man didn't provide sn evidence or proof of anything. Just a bunch of words.

4 hours ago, frankster said:

The claims are being made by individuals in a position to know....They are former government officials

Stating on the record that UFO's are real

Two sides of the same coin. Selling the same product. 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

can't see relevance???

First off Cancer is real....And they have treatments for cancer as a result of the research.

Cancer is real. Medications allow people to live longer. No cure. They still spending *researching* it. 

 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

There are also some individuals who claimed to have a cure and have cured cancer in sick individuals.

i put them in the same box with those who believe in UAP/UFO/ET.

 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

Yes it does generate money...

Are you saying they should do it with out receiving some kind of renumeration?

I'm saying that everything about selling UAP/UFO/ET phenomenon generates money from various avenues.  Just like crime, drama, comedy, science fiction, fantasy, etc.

 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

Most people who testify to the existence of UFO...tend to lose their jobs business livelihood and sometimes even their lives.

 I doubt the numbers of these people losing is significant enough to raise the unemployment or murder rate.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Weren't his credentials bestowed upon him by officialdom?

Yes...of course

That is the source of his credibility....officialdom

They are coming from inside the Citadel of officialdom.....Hence they are sometimes called Whistleblowers

Those credentials gave him access to information most people are not privy to.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Still, in all of his talking, the man didn't provide sn evidence or proof of anything. Just a bunch of words.

What type of proof are you expecting him to provide.....

UFO on your lawn with aliens stepping out?....

if so that's not going to happen...

Him saying UFO's are real is big

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Two sides of the same coin. Selling the same product. 

If the coin is Ufology...then yes some people are in it for the money

That doesn't answer the question....as to whether or not aliens are visiting earth?

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Cancer is real. Medications allow people to live longer.

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

No cure.

I believe there are cures...

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

They still spending *researching* it. 

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

i put them in the same box with those who believe in UAP/UFO/ET.

cool...that's me

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I'm saying that everything about selling UAP/UFO/ET phenomenon generates money from various avenues.  Just like crime, drama, comedy, science fiction, fantasy, etc.

Yes that is true...

Even though that is so it does not in any way negates the reality as to whether or not aliens are visiting earth...coming going and staying

Since this a global phenomena going back to to the time of Ancient Egypt...

Those in it for the money only cloud the issue at most at best they bring more information.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I doubt the numbers of these people losing is significant enough to raise the unemployment or murder rate.

True

When it's your life or that of those you love...it is devastatingly high cost.

[ProfD]

10 hours ago, frankster said:

That is the source of his credibility....officialdom

They are coming from inside the Citadel of officialdom.....Hence they are sometimes called Whistleblowers

Those credentials gave him access to information most people are not privy to.

Yet, this credible source has walked out of the building with any evidence or proof.  Just his memory and mouth.

10 hours ago, frankster said:

What type of proof are you expecting him to provide.....

UFO on your lawn with aliens stepping out?....

if so that's not going to happen...

Him saying UFO's are real is big

Exactly,  I expect you and me to see the UAP/UFO/ET for ourselves. 

 

If that's not going to happen, these people are selling BS.

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

If the coin is Ufology...then yes some people are in it for the money

That doesn't answer the question....as to whether or not aliens are visiting earth?

You and I have not witnessed it.

 

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

I believe there are cures...

There's a cure but thousands of people die from cancer every year. That doesn't make sense but OK.

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

Even though that is so it does not in any way negates the reality as to whether or not aliens are visiting earth...coming going and staying

Since this a global phenomena going back to to the time of Ancient Egypt...

Since we have not witnessed it for ourselves nor have we seen evidence and proof, some of us will continue to believe it's not real.  

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

Those in it for the money only cloud the issue at most at best they bring more information.

It's easy to monetize unexplained/non-existent phenomenon. The human imagination feeds on it along with science-fiction, fantasy, conspiracies,etc.

 

I could put on a tinfoil hat and compose music dedicated to UAP/UFO/ET, the universe and cosmos.  There's no shortage of people who would eat it up like Skittles.  Especially when they are smoking that real purple haze, skunk, kush, etc.

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

When it's your life or that of those you love...it is devastatingly high cost.

Ties back to my comment about cancer.  If there is a cure, seems like devastated people who've lost loved ones would have formed a huge movement clamoring for it. 

 

Sames goes for UAP/UFO/ET believers.  They should have a movement complete with evidence and proof of their claims.  it would be hard for offcialdom to hide it. 

[frankster]

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Yet, this credible source has walked out of the building with any evidence or proof.  Just his memory and mouth.

No not exactly..

He is responsible for the release to the public of the the following three videos through FOIA "Tic Tac"  "Go fast" and "Gimbal Video"

 

Extraordinary Until Proven Otherwise

 

https://www.history.com/videos/uss-nimitz-tic-tac-ufo-declassified-video

USS Nimitz ‘Tic Tac’ UFO: Declassified Video

 

(2m 45s) tv-pg

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Exactly,  I expect you and me to see the UAP/UFO/ET for ourselves. 

Well....

If I present pictures and or video how will you know whether or not they are representing true and real events?

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

If that's not going to happen, these people are selling BS.

cool....

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

You and I have not witnessed it.

Yes....I have not witnessed it nor seen it first hand

I have seen pictures and or various forms of recordings of UFOs...that I deemed/accept to be true and represent real actual events.

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

There's a cure but thousands of people die from cancer every year. That doesn't make sense but OK.

This is off topic....only tangentially related by way of the behavior and working operations of Officialdom and its players

if you wish to delve further into this issue - please start a new thread.

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Since we have not witnessed it for ourselves nor have we seen evidence and proof, some of us will continue to believe it's not real.  

Yet as shown previously there are many things you and I have not witnessed ourselves that we accept as true....because of its Source and Support.

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

It's easy to monetize unexplained/non-existent phenomenon. The human imagination feeds on it along with science-fiction, fantasy, conspiracies,etc.

I at no time denied any of the above..

Instead I have argue that notwithstanding those facts it changes little based on the credibility of the Information being given/presented.

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I could put on a tinfoil hat and compose music dedicated to UAP/UFO/ET, the universe and cosmos.  There's no shortage of people who would eat it up like Skittles.  Especially when they are smoking that real purple haze, skunk, kush, etc.

You should if you think that is true or worth the effort - then you should....truth is you know it probable will be a waste of time - so you wont

Yes it is the weekend...And I am looking forward to enjoying  some good old fashion Sinsemillia

Especially since those Disclosure guys promise to come out with some new info on UFO of Extraterrestrial kind and also of The Home Grown Earthling Back Engineered Kind.

Need me some good shyt for that...doesn't help my Credibility

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Ties back to my comment about cancer.  If there is a cure, seems like devastated people who've lost loved ones would have formed a huge movement clamoring for it. 

Start a thread....lets discuss it

 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Sames goes for UAP/UFO/ET believers.  They should have a movement complete with evidence and proof of their claims.  it would be hard for offcialdom to hide it. 

If everybody needs first hand proof before they believe....then its pretty easy to hide and obfuscate.

[frankster]

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The World's Highest Ranking Alien Believer

 

Gravitas: Israeli official says aliens exist

 

 

[ProfD]

On 1/17/2025 at 12:24 PM, frankster said:

I have seen pictures and or various forms of recordings of UFOs...that I deemed/accept to be true and represent real actual events.

You are not alone.  There are other believers.

 

On 1/17/2025 at 12:24 PM, frankster said:

If everybody needs first hand proof before they believe....then its pretty easy to hide and obfuscate.

We have been conditioned by a society that requires all types of proof of verification (birth certification, transcripts, photo IDs, passport, insurance cards, contracts, etc.).

 

It's not unreasonable for some of us to require more evidence and proof than a handful of folks claiming it.

 

the 87-year old man says the aliens don't want to communicate with humanity directly but they're talking to a handful of humans.  I'm wondering how those particular folks were selected. 

 

Then, the woman in the Gravitas video clowns at the end saying the old man should be hospitalized and by recommending Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

[frankster]

53 minutes ago, ProfD said:

You are not alone.  There are other believers.

True

 

53 minutes ago, ProfD said:

We have been conditioned by a society that requires all types of proof of verification (birth certification, transcripts, photo IDs, passport, insurance cards, contracts, etc.).

Yes...we are owned

 

53 minutes ago, ProfD said:

It's not unreasonable for some of us to require more evidence and proof than a handful of folks claiming it.

True....and it is perfectly reasonable

 

53 minutes ago, ProfD said:

the 87-year old man says the aliens don't want to communicate with humanity directly but they're talking to a handful of humans.

True

 

53 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I'm wondering how those particular folks were selected. 

I can only guess as to why that is....mostly likely in my opinion having to do with future bloodline.

 

53 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Then, the woman in the Gravitas video clowns at the end saying the old man should be hospitalized and by recommending Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

That's how the truth is hidden in plain sight.

[ProfD]

24 minutes ago, frankster said:

I can only guess as to why that is....mostly likely in my opinion having to do with future bloodline.

Maybe they only communicate with Reptilians.

 

24 minutes ago, frankster said:

That's how the truth is hidden in plain sight.

Even if the truth is hidden in plain sight, it would seems that humans should be able to decipher the clues and figure it out.

 

I guess they're waiting to dump every book ever written and other data into computers and allow AI to compile the answers. 

 

I've got a feeling that if they asked AI about UAP/UFO/ET phenomena right now, it would parrot the same information we've been getting from whistleblowers.

[frankster]

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Maybe they only communicate with Reptilians.

They tend to communicate with anyone who fulfill certain criteria.

Reptilians are a specie of Aliens....

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Even if the truth is hidden in plain sight, it would seems that humans should be able to decipher the clues and figure it out.

Some Humans have deciphered it...of those some have decided to keep secret the knowledge to benefit themselves.

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

I guess they're waiting to dump every book ever written and other data into computers and allow AI to compile the answers. 

Akashic Records....Book of Life

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

I've got a feeling that if they asked AI about UAP/UFO/ET phenomena right now, it would parrot the same information we've been getting from whistleblowers.

Good idea....go ahead and share your results

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

They tend to communicate with anyone who fulfill certain criteria.

That part doesn't make sense.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Some Humans have deciphered it...of those some have decided to keep secret the knowledge to benefit themselves.

Therein lies the reason for disbelief and skepticism. 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Good idea....go ahead and share your results

I was referring to artificial intelligence compiling the information. Not myself.

[frankster]

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

That part doesn't make sense.

This is a guess on my part....I do not think it is a totally random who they chose to communicate with

What are the guideline and requirement they are looking for i do not know....but i know they are using one.

Its like a farmer check out his flock....some males some females various ages and some from different locations.

A lot of it may also depend on what they are trying accomplish or find out.

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

Therein lies the reason for disbelief and skepticism. 

Why are you in disbelief? and skeptical?

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

I was referring to artificial intelligence compiling the information. Not myself.

 I thought you were going to ask AI about UFOs?

Starting with chatgpt....

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, frankster said:

This is a guess on my part....I do not think it is a totally random who they chose to communicate with

What are the guideline and requirement they are looking for i do not know....but i know they are using one.

 

Why are you in disbelief? and skeptical?

Well, they're clearly not communicating with me.  I'll remain in disbelief until they do.

 

5 hours ago, frankster said:

 I thought you were going to ask AI about UFOs?

Starting with chatgpt....

Of course, I'm not going to do that because it's no different from asking one of these whistleblowers.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Well, they're clearly not communicating with me.  I'll remain in disbelief until they do.

cool

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Of course, I'm not going to do that because it's no different from asking one of these whistleblowers.

I am of the opinion that AI should give you officialdom point of view...but then it might surprise and support the whistleblowers?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

I am of the opinion that AI should give you officialdom point of view...but then it might surprise and support the whistleblowers?

The officialdom POV is there is nothing to see. 

 

The whistleblower's POV is having seen it but has no evidence or proof.

 

With or without AI, that's how we end up with a confluence of confusion or as @Pioneer1 eloquently put it...bullsh8t. 

[frankster]

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

The officialdom POV is there is nothing to see. 

True

That POV is changing ever so slowly

 

 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

The whistleblower's POV is having seen it but has no evidence or proof.

How can say there is no Evidence?

Even Officialdom is walking back the Idea of "No Evidence" and "UAP/UFO are not real".....

 

Officialdom New Position is.....

 "They are real but we do not know what they are" and "We do not know where they are from or who/what is piloting them"

Civilian Governmental Bodies are now being empowered and financed to study UAP/UFO.

They will use very little military evidence(only declassified) that has been collected over the years.....NASA is leading this effort

 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

With or without AI, that's how we end up with a confluence of confusion or as @Pioneer1 eloquently put it...bullsh8t. 

A great many things confuse our dear brother @Pioneer1 and its all categorize as .....bullsh8t