Miss Nigeria Universe Controversy Goes Global

[Chevdove]

 

 

Miss Nigeria Universe Controversy Goes Global

 

 

 

 

Chidimma Vanessa Adetshina, Miss Nigeria Universe

 

 

Miss Nigeria Universe Pageant winner, Chidimma Adetshina has become a global sensation for more reasons that one. First of all, she went on to compete in the Miss Universe Pageant in New Mexico City and for the first time in history, she won First Runner up! However, there happens to be so much controversy that, not only surrounds ChiChi (Chidimma) but the pageant itself. So here's a brief outline of the story:

 

Chichi initially entered the Miss South Africa pageant to compete for the crown, however, due to being trolled and relentlessly pursued by the officials, she became so stressed that in August 2024, she resigned from the pageant. Apparently, she became investigated and it was alleged that she was guilty of identity theft, however, the actual person that was the actual suspect was Chichi's mother. Although Chichi was born in South Africa and grew up there, the officials came to believe that her mother was not South African but had Mozambique roots. So then, after Chichi resigned, the Nigerian pageant officials found out about it and invited her to compete in Nigeria because her father was a Nigerian of the Igbo tribe. She did. And well, she won!

 

Out of twenty-five amazing contestants, Chichi won the crown! She became Miss Nigeria Universe and then later became the First Runner up to the Miss Universe Pageant. But soon after, Chichi actually ended her bout with pageantry due to the stress that she endured. However due to the controversy that occurred with the South Africa pageant, this story has went global. Many Africans believe that Chichi was forced out of the Miss South Africa pageant because the officials wanted to crown another contestant with European ancestry. And so, Mia Le Roux, won the crown for South Africa:

 

 

 

Mia Le Roux, Miss South Africa 2024

 

However, due to an undisclosed health reason, she resigned and did not compete in Mexico City. But not only was this story headlines, this pageant had other controversy as well. The winner of Miss Universe, Miss Denmark, the beautiful Victoria Kjaer Theilvig became the first ever Miss Universe from Denmark. However, after she won the crown, a viral backlash happened due to comments that came from Donald Trump Jr.:

 

Trump Jr. reacted on X (formerly Twitter) by framing Theilvig's win as

a rejection of recent inclusivity efforts: "Biological & objectively attractive

women are allowed to win beauty pageants again. WE ARE SO BACK."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-hails-objectively-attractive-woman-winning-miss-universe-1987852

 

Now, why did he have to say that!? At any rate, his comments caused more contention in America:

 

 

 

Victoria Kjaer Theilveg, Miss Universe 2024

 

Many people believe that he was aiming at more than one target but especially in reference to the comment of the President elect, Donald Trump's comments against Transgender people. And this connects to even more conflicts within that Miss Universe Pageant. It just so happens that Donald Trump, who once owned the Miss Universe Pageant, sold it to a transgender wealthy entrepreneur from Thai named Anne Jakkapong Jakrajutatip who introduced inclusion and more dramatic changes to the pageant. For this reason, in 2018, a transgender contestant won the title of Miss Spain and competed in the Miss Universe pageant. Following were two more transgender contestants as well, but this year, it was reported that there was none. Also, the age limit was raised and so, Miss Malta, a Black contestant was the oldest to compete at the age of forty (40). And then another big change was that women who became mothers could also compete. And so, Miss Nigeria, Chidimma Vanessa Adetshina, a twenty-three (23) year old at the time of the pageant in fact, had a son. She was also previously married but divorced in February of 2024. So, there were a lot of changes to the Miss Universe pageant which has caused much controversy. 

 

Chichi also won the title of Miss Africa & Oceania and another surprise was that Miss Philippines, Chelsea Manalo, made history as a beautiful Black contestant who represented the Philippines. Her national costume was a huge hit as she highlighted the indigenous peoples of the Philippines:

 

 

Chelsea Manalo, Miss Philippines

 

But although Chidimma Adetshina made history in the Miss Universe Pageant, however, back in 2001, there was another winner from Nigeria. Agbani Derago won Miss World:

 

 

 

Agbani Darego, Miss World 2001 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

Unfortunate that drama pops up in beauty pageants.

 

The young women do a lot of preparation to represent themselves and their countries.

 

Disappointing when a pageant winner loses the crown on a technicality for some reason beyond their control. 

 

Once shown on the world stage, their beauty cannot be denied. Hopefully it leads to lucrative opportunities in whatever they choose to do beyond pageants.

[Pioneer1]

An African sista being honored as "Miss Universe"......

It's funny how time and wisdom changes your perspective on society.

Back in my 20s and 30s I would have said this was a WONDERFUL thing!

Finally, the world is recognizing the beauty and feminity of Black women!

Now.....

 

Good for our sister, BUT-

I wonder who her husband/boyfriend is?

 

I don't need for African women or Black women in general to be promoted and praised JUST to entice them to separate themselves from Black men and get a "more deserved" White man.

 

 

I'm seeing a lot of praise and honor and attention go to the beauty and achievement of Black women in the media over the past 10 years or so.
And it's well deserved.
I'm not against it.

My issue is WHO it's coming from.

The same White men who DENIGRATED Black women a couple generations ago and told them in so many ways that they were "less than", now want to praise them and inflate their egos...while ignoring or in many cases demonizing the Black men who produced them.

"Hey there 'soul sister'...we like YOU.
You can come along and enjoy some of this prosperity.
But don't bring those other nappy headed African guys you're hanging out with, with you!
Leave their asses in Africa.
We'll call them when we need them."

 

 

 

 

Hopefully it leads to lucrative opportunities in whatever they choose to do beyond pageants

"Lucrative opportunities"  as in closer proximity to White men.

The Josephine Baker complex.
 

 

[ProfD]

30 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

"Lucrative opportunities"  as in closer proximity to White men.

Many women use their beauty to work for modeling agencies and/or build brands and businesses. For example, Naomi Campbell did well for herself.

[Pioneer1]

7 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Many women use their beauty to work for modeling agencies and/or build brands and businesses. For example, Naomi Campbell did well for herself.

Yes.....she certainly did...........

 

  

  

 

 

Like I said, "Lucrative opportunities"  as in closer proximity to White men. 

[ProfD]

17 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes.....she certainly did...........

 

Like I said, "Lucrative opportunities"  as in closer proximity to White men. 

Right. On cue, I mentioned her knowing you'd bring up her White man file.

 

However, it cannot be denied that she built a business on her beauty. 

 

Again, you've championed that it's a wise move getting closer to white supremacists if unable to defeat them. I guess it doesn't apply to Black women. 

[Pioneer1]

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Right. On cue, I mentioned her knowing you'd bring up her White man file.

That's because you know ME....lol.

And sure, it applies to Black women AND Black men.
I can't get mad at them for it.

But it doesn't mean I personally have to LIKE it.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And sure, it applies to Black women AND Black men.
I can't get mad at them for it.

But it doesn't mean I personally have to LIKE it.

No doubt. Folks are gonna live their best life by any means necessary. They don't give a d8mn about who likes it or not. Especially when they're doing well.

[Pioneer1]

Well, my question is how do most of these non-FBA Black women from other nations even KNOW what the "good life" is, if they haven't had an AfroAmerican lover?
They only know men from their own tribe OR White men.
 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well, my question is how do most of these non-FBA Black women from other nations even KNOW what the "good life" is, if they haven't had an AfroAmerican lover?
They only know men from their own tribe OR White men.

You're placing way too much emphasis on one aspect of life.

 

As women get older, s8x  doesn't matter as much to them.

 

However, a woman's security, protection and companionship matter more than what a man can do in the bedroom.

[Chevdove]

21 hours ago, ProfD said:

Unfortunate that drama pops up in beauty pageants.

 

Oh yes! I honestly believe that pageants are political. That doesn't mean though, that the winners did not earn that crown, but, I believe that politics  play a part in who gets to be in the top ten or at least the semi finals. But once the top five are chosen then, it becomes clear that the questions that the contestants have to answer shows their intellect and preparedness on how to adequately respond to important global topics. 

 

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The same White men who DENIGRATED Black women a couple generations ago and told them in so many ways that they were "less than", now want to praise them and inflate their egos...while ignoring or in many cases demonizing the Black men who produced them.

 

Well, I believe that this would be the very reason why this kind of platform is important though, for the oppressors to acknowledge the true virtue of Black women, especially because of the atrocities that have occurred. And yes, the backlash of how Black men are negatively regarded in the process of this kind of reparation that comes from White men is unfortunate. Nevertheless, the horrors that Black females endured during chattel slavery law must be addressed if there is to be any kind of healing. And this kind of respect, I believe, should also come from Black men too, IMO, because Black women have endured significant rejection too, coming from Black men as well, don't you think?

 

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't need for African women or Black women in general to be promoted and praised JUST to entice them to separate themselves from Black men and get a "more deserved" White man.

 

Yes, I understand and appreciate your stance because I believe it is important. And I believe that we must face this kind of challenge because eventually, this will not be an issue, IMO. Especially when I think about countries like Nigeria. It seems to me that the Nigerian males in that country are so supportive of their own women kind. It's so amazing. They sing songs about the beauty of Black women. And, I think too, that this kind of slave-time obsession with the slave master will soon become a thing of the past for cultures who practice gender respect and appreciation among themselves. But, I also believe that this kind of healing will happened, not based on younger females, but the Ole girls. How a country treats the queens will be vital in how males value the women in their culture. And again, I see this happening in Nigeria too. Nigerian men don't just admire their young women, but I see a significant presence of the aunties being acknowledged as well. That is the essence of a type of matriarchal system and goes hand-in-hand with a patriarchy. Anyway, that is what I believe.  

 

 

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right. On cue, I mentioned her knowing you'd bring up her White man file.

 

ROFL! On point!

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well, my question is how do most of these non-FBA Black women from other nations even KNOW what the "good life" is, if they haven't had an AfroAmerican lover?
They only know men from their own tribe OR White men.
 

 

No way! Are you serious? I would think that African people have heard a lot of negative statements about us over hear in how we have been negatively affected due to slavery. For this reason, they would probably be inclined to think that we are not the top of their list for relationships. 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

21 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

 

No way! Are you serious? I would think that African people have heard a lot of negative statements about us over hear in how we have been negatively affected due to slavery. For this reason, they would probably be inclined to think that we are not the top of their list for relationships. 

 

While you're right and the negativity that they've been taught about AfroAmericans is the usual excuse I hear for why so many African women don't have sexual relationships with AfroAmericans men; when they bring this argument to me I usually present 2 counter points:

1. The same negative behavior that Africans CLAIM prevents them from relating to Black Americans is often times just as bad if not WORSE among White Americans.
Millions of White people are homeless, have criminal records, have drug and alcohol problems, and are abusive and sexually perverted; yet this doesn't stop Africans from seeking THEM for marriage and sexual relationships.

2. It's funny to me how the negative portrayals of AfroAmericans can prevent African women from having sexual relationships with Black American MEN, but it doesn't seem to stop African MEN from pursuing and having sexual relationships with Black American WOMEN.
Most African men I know chase after Black American women...of all shades....like a game of cops and robbers.

I talk to an African dude and he can barely focus on the conversation with his eyes bucking and looking around trying to catch a glimpse at and grin at the sistaz walking past us....lol.
The MEN don't seem to care about those "negative stereotypes" when it comes to trying to bang Black American women.

So again, it seems as if the Black American MALE is being singled out.

[Chevdove]

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I talk to an African dude and he can barely focus on the conversation with his eyes bucking and looking around trying to catch a glimpse at and grin at the sistaz walking past us....lol.
The MEN don't seem to care about those "negative stereotypes" when it comes to trying to bang Black American women.

So again, it seems as if the Black American MALE is being singled out.

 

This is kind of funny at first, but yes, I can see this to be a reality!

And when it comes to African women, they are affected by White dominance probably just as much as we are because the Europeans flooded the continent before they even set up the Transatlantic slave trade and spread their form of White Jesus all across the huge continent. I remember seeing this movie, Shaka Zulu, starring the late Henry Cele and that was clearly brought out in that film in how the Europeans brought White Jesus into their cultures and pitched that to them. It showed how the African people related to the Europeans and how the African men gave their women over to the European men too. For this reason, there is a great difference, no matter how negative White Americans can be, it does not remove from the minds of African people that we, African Americans are severely affected by slavery. 

 

And thanks to Obama and his homosexual movement, we are now considered in general as a cesspool of immorality to Africans. They think we are Sodom and Gomorrah. African women are not accustomed to the kind of 'hit and run' relationships that we are thought to engage in over hear. They are not holy people as a whole either, but African women, I think, deal with a lot of H3ll when it comes to having to deal with other wives their men bring into their lives, but they are not accustomed to 'hit and run' with no financial support of child support. Even if African men are dealing with poverty, they are not completely 'absent fathers' or hit and run lovers either. So, those African women probably would never feel safe in a relationship with Black American men for that reason. I heard a foreign women from the Middle East about this very topic and she was horrified in what she heard about Black single mothers be left without no support from the baby Daddy. That completely scares Muslim women from other countries. 

 

As for African men, that is their custom, from what I believe. It is an expectation that they have in that they can have multiple women. So, they probably heard the same thing that the African women have heard about commitment. They probably entertain the thought that we over hear are exploited and left abandoned and so, it wouldn't be a deterrent for African men to desire Black American females. 

 

 

This is How Nigerian Men View Nigerian Women!

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

15 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

 

And thanks to Obama and his homosexual movement, we are now considered in general as a cesspool of immorality to Africans. They think we are Sodom and Gomorrah. African women are not accustomed to the kind of 'hit and run' relationships that we are thought to engage in over hear. They are not holy people as a whole either, but African women, I think, deal with a lot of H3ll when it comes to having to deal with other wives their men bring into their lives, but they are not accustomed to 'hit and run' with no financial support of child support. Even if African men are dealing with poverty, they are not completely 'absent fathers' or hit and run lovers either. So, those African women probably would never feel safe in a relationship with Black American men for that reason. I heard a foreign women from the Middle East about this very topic and she was horrified in what she heard about Black single mothers be left without no support from the baby Daddy. That completely scares Muslim women from other countries. 

 

As for African men, that is their custom, from what I believe. It is an expectation that they have in that they can have multiple women. So, they probably heard the same thing that the African women have heard about commitment. They probably entertain the thought that we over hear are exploited and left abandoned and so, it wouldn't be a deterrent for African men to desire Black American females. 

Stop playing...is THIS one of the African women I know in real life???

Lol....what you just laid out....point by point...is the VERY argument I hear from quite a few African women I talk to on a regular basis as to why they don't deal with Black American men!
I'm talking point by point.

They don't mention the "white jesus" thing like you did....that's usually a point that I bring up, lol.
I believe the indoctrination with the images of a white Jesus lays the foundation for falling inlove with White people later on in life.
This was the case not just with many Africans, but also with many AfroAmericans before we became "conscious" and started insisting on Jesus being a man of color.
Many of them STILL worship a Jesus whom they portray as White.
 

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Lol....what you just laid out....point by point...is the VERY argument I hear from quite a few African women I talk to on a regular basis as to why they don't deal with Black American men!
I'm talking point by point.

Yet, in our dialog back and forth dialog, you refuse to acknowledge that culture and world view based on false narratives is the main reason non-FBA women are hesitant to deal with AfroAmerican men.

 

AfroAmerican men can pull non-FBA women but it takes work. 

 

The AfroAmerican man has to be able to remove the scales from their eyes in order to make panties drop and snatch box pop.

 

Only that AfroAmerican man can decide for himself whether it's worth the extra effort. Especially when non-FBA snatch box may not be any better than that which is easier to catch.

[Pioneer1]

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

Yet, in our dialog back and forth dialog, you refuse to acknowledge that culture and world view based on false narratives is the main reason non-FBA women are hesitant to deal with AfroAmerican men.

 

AfroAmerican men can pull non-FBA women but it takes work. 

 

The AfroAmerican man has to be able to remove the scales from their eyes in order to make panties drop and snatch box pop.

 

Only that AfroAmerican man can decide for himself whether it's worth the extra effort. Especially when non-FBA snatch box may not be any better than that which is easier to catch.

I don't disagree with what you've said or the points you've made in other threads.
I think the "dispute" comes from what we're choosing to put weight on.

Ofcourse there are SOME AfroAmerican men who can get SOME non-FBA women.
I know this by experience and observation.

However the RATE is the issue.
The fact that...like you said....most Black American have to put in so much extra effort to do it when we shouldn't have to is the issue.

Also, the fact that so many women are trained to ignore our sexual potency as AfroAmerican men....just IGNORE it...and focus more on negative stereotypes than sexual pleasure, seems a bit strange.

There are nymphomaniacs in EVERY society who don't care about negative stereotypes, they just want some good Vitamin D....lol.
Yet many of THOSE women aren't choosing up on Black American men, which tells me the problem is deeper.

 

 

 

 

Only that AfroAmerican man can decide for himself whether it's worth the extra effort. Especially when non-FBA snatch box may not be any better than that which is easier to catch

For me, the issue isn't just about sex itself.
It's about IMAGE.

The fact that many of these women BELIEVE that White men or "other" men are superior to Black American men or somehow a "better catch" simply because of who they are is the problem.
Even if they were freaks and enjoyed sex with Black American men....the fact of not wanting to be seen in public with one or marrying one would STILL be a major problem because they're saying that they feel these men are "better".
 

BTW....for some reason I like the term "pussy" better than "snatch box".
Snatch box sounds too Trumpish...lol.
 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However the RATE is the issue.
The fact that...like you said....most Black American have to put in so much extra effort to do it when we shouldn't have to is the issue.

It would be helpful to have data to determine the rate of success or failure AfroAmerican men have in getting at non-FBA women.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, the fact that so many women are trained to ignore our sexual potency as AfroAmerican men....just IGNORE it...and focus more on negative stereotypes than sexual pleasure, seems a bit strange.

Most women in general are not focused on the s8xual potency of AfroAmerican men or others.

 

A woman's primary concern is her security (mental, financial and physical). S8xual pleasure is either an added benefit or a chore to maintain it.

 

Men are more interested in s8x than women. That's why prostitution is the oldest profession and the porn industry became lucrative. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are nymphomaniacs in EVERY society who don't care about negative stereotypes, they just want some good Vitamin D....lol.
Yet many of THOSE women aren't choosing up on Black American men, which tells me the problem is deeper.

Again, it would be helpful to have data. I doubt that non-FBA nymphomaniacs and prostitutes are discriminating against AfroAmerican men.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

For me, the issue isn't just about sex itself.

It's about IMAGE.

The fact that many of these women BELIEVE that White men or "other" men are superior to Black American men or somehow a "better catch" simply because of who they are is the problem.
Even if they were freaks and enjoyed sex with Black American men....the fact of not wanting to be seen in public with one or marrying one would STILL be a major problem because they're saying that they feel these men are "better".

That comes back to the narratives they been fed. AfroAmerican men have to change it.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

BTW....for some reason I like the term "pussy" better than "snatch box".
Snatch box sounds too Trumpish...lol.

Because I don't know who's reading the forum or how algorithms will pick up on words, I choose to maintain a certain amount of etiquette in what I type.

 

That's also why I insert numbers or characters in words too. 

 

Then, there's the comedic aspect of it. The funniest jokes don't have to use crass or foul language.

 

I find snatch box and nappy dugout to be funnier than p8ssy.

[Chevdove]

On 11/25/2024 at 4:46 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Stop playing...is THIS one of the African women I know in real life???

Lol....what you just laid out....point by point...is the VERY argument I hear from quite a few African women I talk to on a regular basis as to why they don't deal with Black American men!
I'm talking point by point.

 

Amazing! 

 

On 11/25/2024 at 4:46 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Many of them STILL worship a Jesus whom they portray as White.

 

Oh yes. These idols are still in many Black Churches! 

And if you raise any opposition, you will be rebuked!

Been there, done that.

But here's one insane reality; Now that Europeans have went all throughout the world with this idol, some of them discreetly preach against it... Discreetly!

We've been brainwashed to think it is okay, when in fact this is the ultimate form of blasphemy; It's identity theft to the highest degree. 

But the good thing is that you can't fool all of the people all of the time. 

One of my favorite films highlighted this issue, First Sunday, Produced by Ice Cube and starring Katt Williams. 

And of course, many Africans still idolize this too. It's crazy.