Pioneer1 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 Ok @richardmurray let me see if I got this straight...... Among Black people, you say there are 2 main "tribes" here in the U.S. : -The Black "DOSers" -The Black "Statians" Or are there more? Lol.....and which tribe does Cynique aka The Contrarian fit in to?
richardmurray Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 @Pioneer1 Ending black history month with thoughtfulness:) hope #black327 is very eventful I have confused you. Black Americans is the root, these are all black peoples in the usa, gardless of ancestry, language, religion, this is all about the skin. Black Americans in the USA today is composed of two main groups, populaces not tribes. Black DOSers- descended of enslaved black folk which also includes those who willingly immigrated into the usa before the 1960s, like MArcus Garvey for example + Black modern immigrants - black people who willingly immigrated to the usa when Blacks achieved in the USA complete legal federal recognition which was with the Civil Rights Act of immigration act of 1964 and who came after the immigration act of 1965. Yes, black people did freely immigrate into the USA before 1964 or 1965 but before then the federal legal rights of Black people in the usa were simply not in any way even to whites. Now states laws would take time to change but by the end of the jim crow era, 1980, they did. Black Modern immigrants tribes are based on the countries they come from: jamaican/panamanian/south african/nigerian/indian/brasilian either their country is majority black and so they come from a tribe in their country of their country has a name for the black minority. Black DOSers have three tribes from the creation of the USA and none are based on geography , all are based on a philosophy toward the usa or the whites in it. Black Statians are black people who embrace the USA as their home, gardless of whites activity, gardless of the historic reality, gardless of most black peoples views towards the usa or the whites in it. . James Forten for example. WAs a businessman, fought for the USA, was a prisoner of war, and all of this is while over 90% of black people in the colonies were completely enslaved, and most who got freedom fought against the USA, yet he held firm. Black Statians are not about being in the majority, it is about the usa as their home , gardless of anything else. Black Militants - I want to say a caveat, militancy is really about wanting to go to war. But Black Militants are really about trust. Black Militants don't trust/will never trust the usa or whites of the usa and want the earned revenge. Now the earliest black militants fought for the english, whites, not because they trust whites, but because they distrust white statians the most, and want revenge. Black Freefolk- I use this term because, what many people don't seem to comprehend is when the USA was founded, over ninety percent of black people were enslaved to whites. What does that mean? That means when the USA was founded over ninety percent of blacks, had no allegiance or caring for the USA or for whites, so they weren't statians, even though many of them them or most their lineage would only know the usa as a home, it had no connection to them. But they weren't militants. Yes, they hated whites but they didn't want revenge, they only wanted away from whites. All they wanted was to be as far away from the colonies or the later USA or white people as possible. In them you find the back to africa movement, which at is heart to trying to get black people as far away from whites or the usa. Their influence is what made in combination side black statians the exoduster movement, which at its heart is an agreement between black statians + black freefolk. Essentially, one group says they embrace the usa, the other group says, they want as far away from the usa or the whites in it. So the middle ground is places as far away from whites in the usa. The problem is, white people historically, don't like black people to be undisturbed by whites wherever we live. whether an urban black region or a black town, whites have a heritage of negative meddling with blacks. Another subtribe for the the black freefolk are those Leaving the USA [which for the record always goes on among black DOSers every year, yes it has never bee n a majority act but people forget whites historically hated black people who spoke of leaving the usa. From most whites perspectives, histoorically, they wanted black people to embrace being enslaved as a positive, for white financial betterment... ]. Another subtribe are black individualism. It makes sense to me. how Black people descended from enslaved people who had nothing to do with the creation of the usa and were descended from people who wanted nothing to do with the usa or the white people in it would see themselves as individuals. Embracing a hard truth that, the usa is nothing to them , but since fate has placed them here, they just live, not because they are comfortable or love whites, but simply because like the ninety percent of our forebears enslaved in the usa when it was founded , they have no where to go or nothing to be apart communally. The slave quarter isn't a communal zone, it is pig pen for humans, so if the usa is merely a huge pig pen in a black person's mind, they why should they think communally. For me, I don't know either of you well enough to be sure of anything . But based on communications in this forum, I think, cynique like yourself are Black Statians, the tribe in the populace of Black DOSers. Both of you embrace the USA. You pioneer seem to have an exoduster mentality. You embrace the usa, part of you loves it. But what you want for its future is black solidarity + safety in the usa, not as indiivduals in a hyper mixed brew but in specific locals. It isn't impossible, to reach what you want. Nothing is easy. Cynique it seems, has a James Forten philosophy. She embraces not only the usa but the idea its white enslaving founders suggested , a country of humans, individuals who embrace the idea that each individual should be treated equally. Frederick Douglass/MLK jr/Barrack Obama all live their lives with this idea, started from James Forten's or similars example. Arguably, Black Statians like Cynique are closest to achieving their goal. because Black Statians like her were by default most willing to work with whites, they benefited them in the usa, where whites only started allowing the majority of the black populace equal status, 1980. to be blunt, if you aren't willing to work with whites pre 1980, while you live in the usa, you essentially have nothing. As black DOSers forebears were enslaved so they could provide no fiscal inheritance and as all know, over ninety percent of wealth in the usa is inheritance. Very few whites are willing to work with blacks who want away. Yes, Back to Africa movements occurred in the usa , but their white financiers were never representing a majority of whites. So, For me, both of you are Black Statians. The key for you to comprehend is Black DOSers relationship to the usa is historically not financial, it is pure philosophy, or vendetta based. This is why Black Modern Immigrants fit in so well with the USA, because their relationship is like all non blacks who aren't indigenous. It is, a financial desire to make money, to be better off. But, Black DOSers didn't originally have that desire, and even in 1865, when the enslavement era ends and jim crow begins. Black DOSers didn't come into the Jim Crow era thinking I want to be apart of the USA. Black Freefolk historically had to be convinced of the merit of the USA which many Black Statians have always had problems with ., ala the similarity of Frederick Douglass/MLK jr/ Barrack Obama who arguably all spent the latter years of their most potent time disliked by most Black DOSErs. Which makes sense, because Black Statians by default, embrace the usa no matter what. So faced with Black people with the same experiences who don't accept it at all, or who need convincing when whites make that nearly impossible, outside of faith based, it becomes a natural divide no bridge can cross. 1
aka Contrarian Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 I'm not really sure nor do I even care what tribe I belong to anymore. I can't even keep it straight what the letters stand for. I would simply say that when it comes to black folks, my first loyalty is to the unadulterated truth, and let the chips fall where they may. The only way I would currently distinguish myself is to declare that my dislike for Trump and everything he represents is so intense that it's palpable, and I have nothing but utter contempt for black Conservative MAGAs. If whatever this reveals about me is true, then - so be it. zzzzzz 1
Pioneer1 Posted March 1 Author Report Posted March 1 richardmurray I have confused you. Confusion is founded in belief. Whether it's the WRONG belief or the frustration that comes from believing in MULTIPLE things that contradict eachother...lol. But if a person doesn't actually believe what you're saying to begin with and questions it or looks for a better understanding of it BEFORE they believe it....then you aren't confusing them, lol. Black Americans is the root, these are all black peoples in the usa, gardless of ancestry, language, religion, this is all about the skin. Lol @ "gardless" Black Americans in the USA today is composed of two main groups, populaces not tribes. Black DOSers- descended of enslaved black folk which also includes those who willingly immigrated into the usa before the 1960s, like MArcus Garvey for example So DOSers are a "populace" and not a "tribe"....ok. Black Modern immigrants tribes are based on the countries they come from: jamaican/panamanian/south african/nigerian/indian/brasilian either their country is majority black and so they come from a tribe in their country of their country has a name for the black minority. But these aren't tribes, they are nationalities...right? Black DOSers have three tribes from the creation of the USA and none are based on geography , all are based on a philosophy toward the usa or the whites in it. So under the DOSer populace, you have 3 "tribes" -Black Statians -Black Militants -Black Freefolk Which one are YOU, btw....? And under the Black Immigrant populace you have a number of so-called "tribes", is that correct? For me, I don't know either of you well enough to be sure of anything . But based on communications in this forum, I think, cynique like yourself are Black Statians, the tribe in the populace of Black DOSers. Both of you embrace the USA. Is there any way I can have her ass PUT OUT of my tribe? Who do I talk to about that?
richardmurray Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 @Pioneer1 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So DOSers are a "populace" and not a "tribe"....ok. right, all DOSers have forebears enslaved to whites but ... for me, a tribe is a group with a purpose. Not all DOSers have the same purpose. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: But these aren't tribes, they are nationalities...right? yes, jamaican in itself is a nationality, but in the context of Black Americans <Black Modern Immigrants< Jamaicans/South Africans/Sri Lankans/or other national labels are black people from one of said countries who live in the usa today and coalesce with others from the country they are from. All Non Black Americans or non first people fit that mold. ITlaian american/japanese american/jamaican american. The USA naturally lends to people free in it from countries coalescing with others from whatever country they are from. Because DOSers+ First Peoples have another original relationship to the usa compared to the rest of the people in the usa who are willing immigrants from some government outside the usa, they don't have the same way. It isn't a problem, just a reality. This is what whites are learning. Some whites in the usa didn't realize that as more and more other white nationalities enter the white american populace in modernity , they will bring another view towards blacks not dominated by the white anglo saxon protestant so to speak, and so these other whites wish for white power, wish to help their own, but aren't as interested in white absolute power. NYC is the proof. to be blunt, many people in the past suggested the usa is all about money, but it wasn't because all too often whites hurt their own ability to make money by their actions, even if they didn't realize it. But, in modernity, in the usa, making money truly has become the common standard and it welcomes all races, and wants a superior position over all heritages which not only includes black music's relationship to black people but also the white power heritage that was the engine of jim crow, which can't get the same numbers it used to. A Billy Eckstine, a NAt King Cole today would be very fiscally wealthy with all their white european fans + global fanbase in general. What happened to both of them can't happen in the usa today. A black artists who has committed no illegality or even crime while being the best in the industry , can't be blockaded from profit just to block the image of a black person. So.... nationalities in the global scheme of things, but in terms of Black Americans a tribe, mostly of people who , as you correctly state, don't go back because of the amenities of the usa. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So under the DOSer populace, you have 3 "tribes" -Black Statians -Black Militants -Black Freefolk Which one are YOU, btw....? And under the Black Immigrant populace you have a number of so-called "tribes", is that correct? yeah, in my assessment. functionally, functionally defined as how my life has been lived, I am a free folk. Even though I have negative experiences involving whites personally as well as in my lineage, detailed events not the de facto my forebears were enslaved, and I don't deny thinking of assaulting whites from time to time, I have never embraced the usa nor do I live my life to kill whites or get revenge for any past crimes by whites to me or my lineage. I want out, but I admit I want out my way. Am I selfish or risky? yes both labels are honest to the way I Want out 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Is there any way I can have her ass PUT OUT of my tribe? Who do I talk to about that? funny, I don't think you should want her out, like yourself, she is good people.
aka Contrarian Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 @Pioneer1It figures that after your inept attempt to discredit and ridicule everything richardmurray had to say, you would then stupidly seek his advice on having me "put out of your tribe". Not to worry. As a seeker of the absolute truth, I am automatically disqualified from belonging to any tribe made up of lying, assisinine, windbags like you. Feel better now? 1
frankster Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 We all Africans.... Some of us are Black Africans We black Africans....here in the West Some came free on ships... Some of us been here before the slave ships..... Some of us came here on slave ships.... Some of us came here after the slave ships... Some of us came here on planes.. All this is but an attempt to further create disunity in the Black African community....Pan - African Manmade borders and philosophys cannot blind me to the recognition of who is my brother in Suffering(black people) and in Struggle(all peoples regardless of race or ethnicity so long as they fight to end oppression in all it forms) whether they know or recognize it or not.
aka Contrarian Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 3 hours ago, frankster said: We all Africans.... Some of us are Black Africans We black Africans....here in the West Some came free on ships... Some of us been here before the slave ships..... Some of us came here on slave ships.... Some of us came here after the slave ships... Some of us came here on planes.. You neglected to mention that here in the West, some of us were born here via slavery. Yes, Africa is our common denominator but that apparently is not enough to make an impact. I agree that finding other commonalities like being oppressed is the best any group of people can do when it comes to unity.
richardmurray Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 @frankster what you speak is what James Forten/ Frederick Douglass/ MLK jr/Barrck Obama said in more words or more eloquently or in how they lived their life. But their lives prove that other humans are not always in concurrence to that standing. and that is my point. I don't speak of tribes because it is the most positive plus effective end, the most effective end for humans is to treat all life on earth with the same love or consideration each human will want to themselves, but that isn't how humanity operates. @aka Contrarian yes, i think that in the population of the usa is already brewing a people who will functionalize your way [or at least try to] , the way many other black people in the usa today adhere to, what the raping slaver thomas jefferson wrote, what black people like james forten/frederick douglass/mlk jr lived their entire lives fighting for even when most black people opposed them. what barrack obama tried to uphold even though the needs of the usa in the immediate term warranted another way.
frankster Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 15 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: You neglected to mention that here in the West, some of us were born here via slavery. True....Here is the thing Those who are born Here are descendants....of all who came - maters not when or how they came Slavery or Colonialism two sides of the same Coin....That is the Theory and Pratice of White Supremacy None escape the ravages of Racism.... 15 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Yes, Africa is our common denominator but that apparently is not enough to make an impact. True.... That is so.....because we have yet to overcome and uproot the indoctrination of self hate. 15 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: I agree that finding other commonalities like being oppressed is the best any group of people can do when it comes to unity. To struggle against Injustice is Righteouness 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: @frankster what you speak is what James Forten/ Frederick Douglass/ MLK jr/Barrck Obama said in more words or more eloquently or in how they lived their life. True...all of them are our Savior 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: But their lives prove that other humans are not always in concurrence to that standing. and that is my point. Yes...such is always the case 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: don't speak of tribes because it is the most positive plus effective end, the most effective end for humans is to treat all life on earth with the same love or consideration each human will want to themselves, but that isn't how humanity operates. The problem is Ignorance that then becomes Arrogance Chiefly manifesting itself in some people believeing that they are more deserving than others
Pioneer1 Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 richardmurray right, all DOSers have forebears enslaved to whites but ... for me, a tribe is a group with a purpose. Not all DOSers have the same purpose. To me, a tribe isn't about a particular purpose but about a particular LINEAGE. Tribes are united by blood and familial history. If people are uniting on a particular PURPOSE, it's often either a political group, religion, or street gang....lol. funny, I don't think you should want her out, like yourself, she is good people. Yeah, she's good alright. Good for sitting on the porch smoking Virginia Slims and cussing at bees just minding their own beeswax in the bee hive...lol. frankster We all Africans.... Some of us are Black Africans We black Africans....here in the West Some came free on ships... Some of us been here before the slave ships..... Some of us came here on slave ships.... Some of us came here after the slave ships... Some of us came here on planes.. All this is but an attempt to further create disunity in the Black African community....Pan - African Manmade borders and philosophys cannot blind me to the recognition of who is my brother in Suffering(black people) and in Struggle(all peoples regardless of race or ethnicity so long as they fight to end oppression in all it forms) whether they know or recognize it or not. You make good points, however.......... The FBA/Delineation movement that is taking place around the community and especially in social media circles IS warranted to a certain extent. As a Pan-Africanist myself... One who has held the Pan-Africanist philosophy for decades... I wasn't the only one who noticed that when it came to other Black people in the Diaspora, the Pan-African rhetoric was usually ONE SIDED with Black Americans constantly going out of their way to unite with Africans and West Indians. Much of the time it wasn't reciprocated, though. Not sure what was happening OUTSIDE of America, but inside the United States....regardless as to how much WE wanted to unite with our African and West Indian brothers and sisters....many of them made it crystal clear that they didn't come here to kick it with us, unite with us, or help us fight racism. Perhaps pulling back and letting them feel the full brunt and impact of raw White Racism will be the therapy some of them need to get their minds right and cure them of their maniacal love for White folks.
richardmurray Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 @Pioneer1 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Tribes are united by blood and familial history. I see. we have variance in nomenclatures. I wonder who in modern humanity is united by genetic lineage or forebear history? do you have any modern examples?
frankster Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You make good points, however.......... The FBA/Delineation movement that is taking place around the community and especially in social media circles IS warranted to a certain extent. Both FBA/ADOS are funded by White Racist Republicans.....using pseudo-blacks and black sellouts as fronts 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: As a Pan-Africanist myself... One who has held the Pan-Africanist philosophy for decades... I wasn't the only one who noticed that when it came to other Black people in the Diaspora, the Pan-African rhetoric was usually ONE SIDED with Black Americans constantly going out of their way to unite with Africans and West Indians. Much of the time it wasn't reciprocated, though. If you know better you do better.... Many blacks from North America the Motherland South America West Indies or else wear.....are simple not Aware of the Real Situation or fall prey to propaganda. 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Not sure what was happening OUTSIDE of America, but inside the United States....regardless as to how much WE wanted to unite with our African and West Indian brothers and sisters....many of them made it crystal clear that they didn't come here to kick it with us, unite with us, or help us fight racism. Teach Them and or if you must school them..... just don't son them - they know not what they do To fight them is to fulfill the plan of the racist.....Divide and conquer 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Perhaps pulling back and letting them feel the full brunt and impact of raw White Racism will be the therapy some of them need to get their minds right and cure them of their maniacal love for White folks. Abandoning them is not good either.....Chances are they will only end as better pawns of the racist
ProfD Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 9 hours ago, frankster said: Both FBA/ADOS are funded by White Racist Republicans.....using pseudo-blacks and black sellouts as fronts There will always be folks who try to infiltrate & undermine a movement. Have to be wary of & vigilant about weeding them out. Otherwise, the FBA/AfroAmerican movement that promotes delineation from misaligned folks; unity within & building strategic alliances is ideal. 9 hours ago, frankster said: Many blacks from North America the Motherland South America West Indies or else wear.....are simple not Aware of the Real Situation or fall prey to propaganda. Teach Them and or if you must school them..... just don't son them - they know not what they do To fight them is to fulfill the plan of the racist.....Divide and conquer Abandoning them is not good either.....Chances are they will only end as better pawns of the racist Reprogramming people takes a a great deal of effort. Neither Pan-Africanism nor Black/Brown alliances has really worked out in that regard. Other Black & Brown folks have reaped the benefits that FBA/AfroAmericans paved the way from them to be in the USA. Non-FBA/AfroAmericans are still throwing a lot of shade at FBA/AfroAmericans & more aligned with the system of racism white supremacy. IMO, FBA/AfroAmericans are better served pouring that energy into unification & reparations.
frankster Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 1 hour ago, ProfD said: There will always be folks who try to infiltrate & undermine a movement. Have to be wary of & vigilant about weeding them out. True 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Otherwise, the FBA/AfroAmerican movement that promotes delineation from misaligned folks; unity within & building strategic alliances is ideal. The Moment you begin to divide the Peoples of the MAAFA....you are going down the wrong path - We are One People Who have suffered the the same insults in different places at the hands of the same people from different places... So please let us not become gangs who own blocks and destroy each other because you from the east side and I am from the south side 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Reprogramming people takes a a great deal of effort. Yes 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Neither Pan-Africanism nor Black/Brown alliances has really worked out in that regard. It is still working...those who want you to abandon the Project are saying it hasn't worked What do you call the Civil Rights Movement and the successes of all those African Countries achieving Political Independence..? If you do not recognize the incremental success.....then you will become a part of the demise of the Movement toward the achievement of full Liberty 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Other Black & Brown folks have reaped the benefits that FBA/AfroAmericans paved the way from them to be in the USA. Many were and are apart of those movements....their sons and daughters fought Sacrificed and died for those Benefits. In short We have bled for each others success here at home on the American Continents and their on the Mother Land. Our People have crossed bred Many timed....Americans Blacks Going home to Africa or migrating to North South and Central America - some even to Europe. The Enslave were bought and sold accross all political borders of countries North South West and East...The enSlaved were not considered citizens or nationals of any. In short they had no political Identity(until 1863-5 3/5's)....they were considered property - to now retro-actively apply citizenship is a lie used to prop up a falsity. Most of the enslave never even had family Names (surnames) - excluding that of the masters family name applied as a last name to show ownership 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Non-FBA/AfroAmericans are still throwing a lot of shade at FBA/AfroAmericans & more aligned with the system of racism white supremacy. That is true on both sides....what they have in common - Is ignorance and susceptability to propaganda It is unwise to be led by the Ignorant or let them cause you to take actions against your best Interest....because of Greed or Status It is equally unwise to let the racist expliot seeming differences to create a social divide and pit peoples who are the same against one another.... As they did by creating Races and Racism....to turn poor expliot and oppress whites Against blacks....Now they are creating ADOS/FBA Blacks against all Other Blacks 1 hour ago, ProfD said: IMO, FBA/AfroAmericans are better served pouring that energy into unification & reparations. True
ProfD Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 56 minutes ago, frankster said: So please let us not become gangs who own blocks and destroy each other because you from the east side and I am from the south side I'm definitely not advocating that Black folks become warring factions against each other. Absolutely not. 56 minutes ago, frankster said: What do you call the Civil Rights Movement and the successes of all those African Countries achieving Political Independence..? Many were and are apart of those movements....their sons and daughters fought Sacrificed and died for those Benefits. In short We have bled for each others success here at home on the American Continents and their on the Mother Land. Our People have crossed bred Many timed....Americans Blacks Going home to Africa or migrating to North South and Central America - some even to Europe. Right. True riders in the struggle for freedom & independence are already on code. Those Black folks throughout the diaspora know the deal. 56 minutes ago, frankster said: That is true on both sides....what they have in common - Is ignorance and susceptability to propaganda Exactly. Weeding out includes all Black folks who are working against their own in one way or another. Strategic alliances means building with like-minded Black folks across the diaspora. Ideally, I would love to see all Black people united against the common enemy...the system of racism white supremacy.
admin Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Ideally, I would love to see all Black people united against the common enemy...the system of racism white supremacy. Me too. But we must also recognize that race is also a tool of the plutocrats, understood to be false by the educated, but believed to be true by the masses. Educate the masses and the tool becomes useless.
ProfD Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 10 minutes ago, admin said: But we must also recognize that race is also a tool of the plutocrats, understood to be false by the educated, but believed to be true by the masses. Educate the masses and the tool becomes useless. Good luck. Educating the masses about race & class status would solve all of the world problems. There is no appetite for that level of enlightenment especially among the greedy & powerful (plutocrats) who use it to control world order.
frankster Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 5 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm definitely not advocating that Black folks become warring factions against each other. Absolutely not. Cool 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Right. True riders in the struggle for freedom & independence are already on code. Those Black folks throughout the diaspora know the deal. True when we struggled there was no FBA/ADOS.....only the descendants of the formerly enslaved Black Africans. Now they want to divide us.....along lines of where we were imprisoned as chattle. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Exactly. Weeding out includes all Black folks who are working against their own in one way or another. Even those Black african who are among us and who are also against us must be allowed access to the benefits....so long they are black Africans. You can be sure that the white man and especially the white woman will be given access to those benefits... Why would you wish to deny your own.... 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Strategic alliances means building with like-minded Black folks across the diaspora. True.....Pan Africanism 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Ideally, I would love to see all Black people united against the common enemy...the system of racism white supremacy. True
Pioneer1 Posted March 7 Author Report Posted March 7 richardmurray I see. we have variance in nomenclatures. Since you see that...... Do you also see a DICTIONARY laying around, I need to look up "nomenclature".....lol. I wonder who in modern humanity is united by genetic lineage or forebear history? do you have any modern examples? Who??? MANY MANY tribe around the world are united by lineage and ancestral history. The Somalis are a good example: The Total Somali Clan Genealogy (second edition) | Scholarly Publications frankster Both FBA/ADOS are funded by White Racist Republicans.....using pseudo-blacks and black sellouts as fronts I've heard this before for both ideologies. Not sure how true it is or to what extent, however I can definitely see how White racists would benefit off of promoting the Black American "separatist" ideology. FBA is less organized than the more centralized ADOS movement. Although Tariq Nasheed is probably it's most famous spokesperson and I believe he actually came up with the name, it's now spread like wildfire with no central command but with strong AfroAmerican nationalist beliefs that are not funded by or promoted by Whites or Republicans. Whites and especially Republicans have spent most of their history trying to "un-American" Black people and deny not only the contributions of Black Americans but even question whether or not they should be in the nation. It would seem counter intuitive to me that they would promote an ideology that patriotizes Black people as the ultimate "foundational" Americans. They are definitely trying to infiltrate it, but I don't believe they originated it. If you know better you do better.... Only if you WANT to do better. A drug addict "knows" he shouldn't be using drugs and needs to stop.....but he doesn't stop unless he has a strong desire to. A diabetic person may "know" they should eat better to improve their health....but unless they WANT to, they usually won't. A lot of people "know" better than to do some of the things they do, but don't want to do "better" or do the "right" thing. They want to do what THEY want to do and what benefits them at the moment. Many blacks from North America the Motherland South America West Indies or else wear.....are simple not Aware of the Real Situation or fall prey to propaganda. That may have been an excuse 50 or even 25 years ago, but not in 2026 or even 2020. There are millions of Africans in the United States who see with their own two eyes how AfroAmericans are living and talk with their relatives and friends back home every day about what's going on. Even Africans back on the continent have the internet informing them how things are around the world. Ignorance is no excuse for Black people to mistreat, ignore, or avoid meaningful relationships with eachother today. It's self hatred....plain and simple. Either that, or maniacal love for White people. Teach Them and or if you must school them..... just don't son them - they know not what they do They know EXACTLY what they're doing....lol. Infact.... They know more about what they're doing than YOU do. The fact that many Africans who ordinarily wouldn't talk to you at work or on the street will run up in your face and call you "bruda" all of a sudden....when they want something or need help...is evidence that they know better, lol. Nigga been working with you or living next door to you for 5 years and ain't said shit to you; but all of a sudden when HE get's in trouble....... "Hey bruda! What is wrong with deez White peepaz? Why deez peepaz oba'deh give me traffic ticket, fah' ??? Is deez de...what you call...ehhh....racizeem ???" Nigga following you all up your driveway almost to your front door trying to make conversation with you when HE needs some help. A lot of our people....both African AND American.....are shitty until they need something and THEN want to play the role of "bruda" or "seesta" To fight them is to fulfill the plan of the racist.....Divide and conquer We....as AfroAmericans....know that already. You may want to try explaining that to the Diasporan Blacks who go out of there way TO divide themselves from us. Abandoning them is not good either.....Chances are they will only end as better pawns of the racist There's a difference between a child who is abandoned and one who RUNS AWAY. One of the key differences is who initiates the separation. It's not us. For decades we've insisted on forming united Black fronts with other Blacks around the world. But unity is a TWO way street...where we meet eachother. Not a round-a-bout where we keep going in circles as I chase you. ProfD Reprogramming people takes a a great deal of effort. And they have to WANT to be reprogrammed. They have to WANT Black unity and link up with other Black people. One of the first steps to ending any addiction is the DESIRE TO END IT. But hell, if a nigga loves smoking crack and doesn't want to quit and gets violent when you try to take that pipe from him...leave him alone. Other Black & Brown folks have reaped the benefits that FBA/AfroAmericans paved the way from them to be in the USA. And see, that's part of the problem right there. Many of these people are very judgmental of AfroAmericans and how we act and talk because THEY didn't have to struggle for any rights in this country. It was already here for them when they got here. Like a spoiled child who criticizes his daddy's rough hands or the fact that he's rarely home to play games with him......cuz daddy is out WORKING and making a living for for yo' ass, lol. They come to America....because of our struggles. And they reap the benefits that have been granted for everyone....because of our struggles. They take it for granted because they didn't earn it or have to fight for them. So now if we pull back and let them get a good taste of White racist venom or maybe let THEM do some facing off and fighting of this devil for a change....perhaps they'll have more appreciation for AfroAmericans and why we act and talk the way we do. Maybe they'll be less judgmental. I notice how many Latino immigrants are very judgmental about AfroAmericans and how so many engage in crimes and go to jail, until they spend a few years in America and end up in cuffs and behind bars themselves. Then the next generation are cussing out the police and hustling on the streets engaging in the same behavior they used to condemn. When folks talk about how "hard working" Latinos are, they fail to mention that this is usually the FIRST generation who come straight from third world poverty. Troy But we must also recognize that race is also a tool of the plutocrats, understood to be false by the educated, but believed to be true by the masses. Educate the masses and the tool becomes useless. Dr...DOCTOR...Martin Luther King had a doctorate degree. He was WELL educated...lol....and still acknowledged the reality of race.
umbrarchist Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 Who cares? People cannot figure out what to do in the Techno-Economic Wargame. The haoles cannot figure out something as simple as mandatory accounting in the schools. When Africa Awakes (1920) by Hubert Harrison https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/69712/pg69712-images.html Black Man's Burden (1961) by Mack Reynolds http://www.gutenberg.org/files/32390/32390-h/32390-h.htm
frankster Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Both FBA/ADOS are funded by White Racist Republicans.....using pseudo-blacks and black sellouts as fronts I've heard this before for both ideologies. Not sure how true it is or to what extent, however I can definitely see how White racists would benefit off of promoting the Black American "separatist" ideology. It is true... 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: FBA is less organized than the more centralized ADOS movement. Although Tariq Nasheed is probably it's most famous spokesperson and I believe he actually came up with the name, it's now spread like wildfire with no central command but with strong AfroAmerican nationalist beliefs that are not funded by or promoted by Whites or Republicans. His message is definitely one that divides and weakens the global black community 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Whites and especially Republicans have spent most of their history trying to "un-American" Black people and deny not only the contributions of Black Americans but even question whether or not they should be in the nation. True 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It would seem counter intuitive to me that they would promote an ideology that patriotizes Black people as the ultimate "foundational" Americans. And that is exactly the point..... It only speaks to Black American patrriotism...... but it actually divides Black People 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They are definitely trying to infiltrate it, but I don't believe they originated it. Wealthy Racist prefer Black organization that already have black peoples Trust and Loyalty. It is much easier to lead the masses astray once you either corrupt or black mail the leadership 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If you know better you do better.... Only if you WANT to do better. A drug addict "knows" he shouldn't be using drugs and needs to stop.....but he doesn't stop unless he has a strong desire to. A diabetic person may "know" they should eat better to improve their health....but unless they WANT to, they usually won't. A lot of people "know" better than to do some of the things they do, but don't want to do "better" or do the "right" thing. They want to do what THEY want to do and what benefits them at the moment. Does that mean you do not want to do better? Or that you would rather make an enemy of your ignorant brothers and fight them? Yes it is true...being first Willing or Wanting to stops helps the addict Sometimes they do not have the Skills Tools or Infrastructure to do better 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Many blacks from North America the Motherland South America West Indies or else wear.....are simple not Aware of the Real Situation or fall prey to propaganda. That may have been an excuse 50 or even 25 years ago, but not in 2026 or even 2020. There are millions of Africans in the United States who see with their own two eyes how AfroAmericans are living and talk with their relatives and friends back home every day about what's going on. Many Blacks born here for generations still do not know whats happening to them? 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Even Africans back on the continent have the internet informing them how things are around the world. The internet is one of the greatest purveyor of misinformation and propaganda 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Ignorance is no excuse for Black people to mistreat, ignore, or avoid meaningful relationships with eachother today. It's self hatred....plain and simple. Either that, or maniacal love for White people. It is ignorance... The self hate taught by white racist to black people and all peoples regardless of color is ingrained in the American Society....it is Social Institutional and Structural 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Teach Them and or if you must school them..... just don't son them - they know not what they do They know EXACTLY what they're doing....lol. Infact.... They know more about what they're doing than YOU do. They think they know what they are doing is Right. Because the White Racist control Mass Media has Misinformed them and Pathologized/Criminalized black American culture 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The fact that many Africans who ordinarily wouldn't talk to you at work or on the street will run up in your face and call you "bruda" all of a sudden....when they want something or need help...is evidence that they know better, lol. White Racist are also guilty of that.... So that is not any sort of evidence that the knew better from beginning......How could they - there is good and bad in every Nation Society or Peoples What it means is that there is a potential oppurtunity to Awaken their mind and free them from the disinformation and misinformation mindset they have been living No matter always remember we are all individuals.....and labor under our own prejudices in order to survive in this world 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Nigga been working with you or living next door to you for 5 years and ain't said shit to you; but all of a sudden when HE get's in trouble....... "Hey bruda! What is wrong with deez White peepaz? Why deez peepaz oba'deh give me traffic ticket, fah' ??? Is deez de...what you call...ehhh....racizeem ???" Nigga following you all up your driveway almost to your front door trying to make conversation with you when HE needs some help. A lot of our people....both African AND American.....are shitty until they need something and THEN want to play the role of "bruda" or "seesta" Yes they are in need of help....it is sometimes hard to ask a friend for help - much more a starnger or neighbor Sadly I have seen many being taken advantage of and abused when they are in need of help......or worst led astray 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: To fight them is to fulfill the plan of the racist.....Divide and conquer We....as AfroAmericans....know that already. The way you typing it seems you would rather fight them set the up to fail or abandon them. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You may want to try explaining that to the Diasporan Blacks who go out of there way TO divide themselves from us. All they know about Black Americans is how black americans are portrayed by white media...... You also know even people born here do not trust there own as a result of white media 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Abandoning them is not good either.....Chances are they will only end as better pawns of the racist There's a difference between a child who is abandoned and one who RUNS AWAY. One of the key differences is who initiates the separation. It's not us. For decades we've insisted on forming united Black fronts with other Blacks around the world. But unity is a TWO way street...where we meet eachother. Not a round-a-bout where we keep going in circles as I chase you. Many of them has and is saying the same thing Do not chase anyone....they will only run away faster thinking you are a scary threatening violent black power fanatic. It is the thoses who comes to you for help teach and schools them to the extent they are able to learn
Pioneer1 Posted March 8 Author Report Posted March 8 richardmurray the somali are a unique people Yes. You asked for a modern example, and I gave you one. frankster His message is definitely one that divides and weakens the global black community It divides it, but I'm not sure if it "weakens" it. Not all divisions weaken the collective. Sometimes separating and cutting the dead weight makes you stronger and more virile. And that is exactly the point..... It only speaks to Black American patrriotism...... but it actually divides Black People Does it DIVIDE Black people? Or does it WIDEN the division that ALREADY EXISTED between different Black communities? Does that mean you do not want to do better? If you're enquiring about me personally....I'm always seeking self improvement. Or that you would rather make an enemy of your ignorant brothers and fight them? If he's my brother he's NOT my enemy. At worse, only my opponent or adversary. Yes it is true...being first Willing or Wanting to stops helps the addict Sometimes they do not have the Skills Tools or Infrastructure to do better Are you saying this is the case with Africans and West Indians who avoid contact and relationships with AfroAmericans....even while IN America itself? They do it because they don't have the skills, tools, or infrastructure to better the relationship? Many Blacks born here for generations still do not know whats happening to them? Is that a statement or a question? The internet is one of the greatest purveyor of misinformation and propaganda It's also one of the greatest tools of information and man-made sources of facts, truths, and knowledge. Which one you're find largely depends on your intentions and motivations. It is ignorance... The self hate taught by white racist to black people and all peoples regardless of color is ingrained in the American Society....it is Social Institutional and Structural True. But you break out of that ignorance and self-hatred with a DESIRE to do so. For a long time I preferred light skinned women with long straight or wavy hair and thought they were the most beautiful "Black" women. It wasn't until I had the DESIRE in my 30s to change my preference....recognizing that it was a manifestation of ingrained self-hatred and racism.....that my mind actually changed to TRULY finding dark skinned African women more attractive. It didn't just happen. I didn't wait on somebody to come to me and ask me to do it. I had to take the initiative and voluntarily change my train of thought. They think they know what they are doing is Right. They think that what they're doing is more beneficial to them. I'm not sure if they're convinced that it's "right" or not. The fact that so many won't admit it and will atleast PRETEND to feel otherwise in order to get along and keep the peace with AfroAmericans, is evidence that they know their true beliefs wouldn't be tolerated very long. White Racist are also guilty of that.... It's expected from them. Yes they are in need of help....it is sometimes hard to ask a friend for help - much more a starnger or neighbor Sadly I have seen many being taken advantage of and abused when they are in need of help......or worst led astray Sometimes the best help you can give people is to stop "enabling" them and leave them alone. Let whatever they're dealing with "over take" them to the point that they have a SINCERE change of heart and attitude. The way you typing it seems you would rather fight them set the up to fail or abandon them. I wouldn't set them up for failure, however some....like some AfroAmericans....I would definitely abandon. As you said, there are good and bad people in every race and culture. So why how else would you deal with the "bad" Africans, besides letting them go their own way? All they know about Black Americans is how black americans are portrayed by white media...... That's not necessarily true. Again, you have MILLIONS of Africans living here in the United States who know better because they've seen better. You have millions more living in Africa who have been here and seen better. It is the thoses who comes to you for help teach and schools them to the extent they are able to learn Those I already have a great relationship with and come to me for help and advice....I help. But don't work next to me for 6 months never saying so much as a "hello" or "kiss my ass akata" during that time, but all of a sudden when a White manager writes you up for leaving work early NOW here you come: "Hey bruda! Do you know how badly deez peepaz treated your African seesta today?" Because I'll tell you: "If you're still in the building talking to me.... Apparently not as bad as it could have been" ....and keep on pushing. The shiesty way some of them niccaz act is almost COMICAL...lol They know better.
ProfD Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 19 hours ago, umbrarchist said: People cannot figure out what to do in the Techno-Economic Wargame. The haoles cannot figure out something as simple as mandatory accounting in the schools. Yet, they have figured how to become the most powerful people on the planet.
frankster Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: frankster His message is definitely one that divides and weakens the global black community It divides it, but I'm not sure if it "weakens" it. It does weakens.... It creates enemies of ourselves On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Not all divisions weaken the collective. True On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Sometimes separating and cutting the dead weight makes you stronger and more virile. Sometimes....but not in this case If did make us stronger we should see new growth but instead we see the disease of infighting On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: And that is exactly the point..... It only speaks to Black American patrriotism...... but it actually divides Black People Does it DIVIDE Black people? Yes On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Or does it WIDEN the division that ALREADY EXISTED between different Black communities? It turns a Difference into a Division....Thereby Creating a Separation On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Does that mean you do not want to do better? If you're enquiring about me personally....I'm always seeking self improvement. Then be the unifying force you know black people needs.....even when they or not and do not know they need it On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Or that you would rather make an enemy of your ignorant brothers and fight them? If he's my brother he's NOT my enemy. At worse, only my opponent or adversary. cool Why not see them as Compatriots....still be wary though - but be ready to teach inform and share when and where necessary On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Yes it is true...being first Willing or Wanting to stops helps the addict Sometimes they do not have the Skills Tools or Infrastructure to do better Are you saying this is the case with Africans and West Indians who avoid contact and relationships with AfroAmericans....even while IN America itself? They do it because they don't have the skills, tools, or infrastructure to better the relationship? No....they are ignorant of the true situation we both are in - hence the skills and tools are either employed incorrectly if at all. The Infrastructure of the US reinforces and reward anti-blackness....which is to hate dislike and distrust all who look black African - including themselves. On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Many Blacks born here for generations still do not know whats happening to them? Is that a statement or a question? It is both. On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: The internet is one of the greatest purveyor of misinformation and propaganda It's also one of the greatest tools of information and man-made sources of facts, truths, and knowledge. Which one you're find largely depends on your intentions and motivations. True On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: it is ignorance... The self hate taught by white racist to black people and all peoples regardless of color is ingrained in the American Society....it is Social Institutional and Structural True. But you break out of that ignorance and self-hatred with a DESIRE to do so. The Desire comes from the knowledge that it is possible to break out.....Enlightened On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: For a long time I preferred light skinned women with long straight or wavy hair and thought they were the most beautiful "Black" women. It wasn't until I had the DESIRE in my 30s to change my preference....recognizing that it was a manifestation of ingrained self-hatred and racism.....that my mind actually changed to TRULY finding dark skinned African women more attractive. Your desire to change came from your recognition....that you were indoctrinated with self hate and that it was possible for you to change - you became Aware. On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: it didn't just happen. I didn't wait on somebody to come to me and ask me to do it. I had to take the initiative and voluntarily change my train of thought. The Catalyst is individual to each person.....usually coming from a culmination of things read seen heard or experienced. Simply as it may seems the Knowledge that it is possible to change or finding a way to change is most important. On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: They think they know what they are doing is Right. They think that what they're doing is more beneficial to them. I'm not sure if they're convinced that it's "right" or not. The fact that so many won't admit it and will atleast PRETEND to feel otherwise in order to get along and keep the peace with AfroAmericans, is evidence that they know their true beliefs wouldn't be tolerated very long. Sounds like the behavior of the ignorant from both... On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: White Racist are also guilty of that.... It's expected from them. They both learned what is taught to all who live in the US......be fearful and distrustful of Black African peoples - matters not whether you white or black African. On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: Yes they are in need of help....it is sometimes hard to ask a friend for help - much more a starnger or neighbor Sadly I have seen many being taken advantage of and abused when they are in need of help......or worst led astray Sometimes the best help you can give people is to stop "enabling" them and leave them alone. Let whatever they're dealing with "over take" them to the point that they have a SINCERE change of heart and attitude. If you think so....your are so entitled. On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: The way you typing it seems you would rather fight them set the up to fail or abandon them. I wouldn't set them up for failure, however some....like some AfroAmericans....I would definitely abandon. As you said, there are good and bad people in every race and culture. So why how else would you deal with the "bad" Africans, besides letting them go their own way? fair enough On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: All they know about Black Americans is how black americans are portrayed by white media...... That's not necessarily true. Again, you have MILLIONS of Africans living here in the United States who know better because they've seen better. You have millions more living in Africa who have been here and seen better. You obviously do not understand how propaganda works.... The social environment creates the narrative which creates the mental frame of reference ....which dictates how you interpret and understand what you see and experience. In short what they see and experience only supports the propaganda they have been fed On 3/8/2026 at 10:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: It is the thoses who comes to you for help teach and schools them to the extent they are able to learn Those I already have a great relationship with and come to me for help and advice....I help. But don't work next to me for 6 months never saying so much as a "hello" or "kiss my ass akata" during that time, but all of a sudden when a White manager writes you up for leaving work early NOW here you come: "Hey bruda! Do you know how badly deez peepaz treated your African seesta today?" Because I'll tell you: "If you're still in the building talking to me.... Apparently not as bad as it could have been" ....and keep on pushing. The shiesty way some of them niccaz act is almost COMICAL...lol They know better. Sounds like a personal issue...
ProfD Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 @frankster...for a very long time, FBA/AfroAmericans have tried to form alliances with Black folks across the diaspora. Pan-Africanism hasn't really developed & taken off in a major way. Mainly because of the propaganda you mentioned that has brainwashed Africans & other Black folks. West Indian Blacks were extremely hostile back in the heyday of the drug epidemic. Where I'm from, FBA/AfroAmericans & Jamaicans were killing each other. There's a mutual respect & mostly indifference now. I'm not for dividing Black folks (tribes) as a permanent solution. Again, I would love to see all Black folks united especially against the system of racism white supremacy & its proxies. However, I do believe a tribe has to be unified internally before they can form strategic alliances with other tribes. FBA/AfroAmericans have some work to do within before getting into situations with others. Like any human entanglement, one must heal & eliminate unnecessary baggage from a failed relationship prior to getting into a new situation.
frankster Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 19 hours ago, ProfD said: @frankster...for a very long time, FBA/AfroAmericans have tried to form alliances with Black folks across the diaspora. There was no trying....we were and are One Most Well known Black Organizations prior to and during the 70's...Were formed by Black Africans regardless of Origin Now you have two supposedly Black organizations that has or intents to elevated street rivalries and office contentions over simply differences.... To create a new socio-political dimension of Division in and among Black Africans....based on Origin 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Pan-Africanism hasn't really developed & taken off in a major way. Why do people continue to believe this obvious propagandistic falsity....it has developed and taken off What do you mean by a major way? 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Mainly because of the propaganda you mentioned that has brainwashed Africans & other Black folks. Yes...to believe that pan-africanism is ineffective 19 hours ago, ProfD said: West Indian Blacks were extremely hostile back in the heyday of the drug epidemic. Both sides taking the worst of either to represent the entire people....that exactly what the racist do - the worst of us is paraded in mass media as the most of us. So you are equating drugs fiends as model on which to base our thinking ideas and treatment of a people? We are not struggling over or for corners block or cubicles....but for our African Black peoples Soul - where they are or from 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Where I'm from, FBA/AfroAmericans & Jamaicans were killing each other. There's a mutual respect & mostly indifference now. I still think you are using those in the business selling of drugs, poisoning their own family and community as your frame of reference.. FBA/ADOS is trying to create a Socio-Political organization over our differences....planting seeds of Animosity to be exercised Socially and Politically. You are Witnessing the attempt to create a whole new Social Class....that some may term a new racial class. 19 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm not for dividing Black folks (tribes) as a permanent solution. You may not.... But that is what racist funding FBA/ADOS want..... that is exactly what they are funding and intending. One of the racist biggest fear is that Blacks unite...so of course any form of unity will be discredited - do not fall prey to their propaganda of misinformation. Final Call did an article on this fear for which the US has a policy for .......I think it was call NSSM200 or 2000 written either by Brzezinski or Kissinger could not find it thought so i did not quote it ...with more time i will continue the search for links 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Again, I would love to see all Black folks united especially against the system of racism white supremacy & its proxies. Then Be apart of the Union.... And not apart of the propagation of lies whose only purpose is to promote division. 19 hours ago, ProfD said: However, I do believe a tribe has to be unified internally before they can form strategic alliances with other tribes. Yes....We are one same tribe. 19 hours ago, ProfD said: FBA/AfroAmericans have some work to do within before getting into situations with others. We as a people have work to do 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Like any human entanglement, one must heal & eliminate unnecessary baggage from a failed relationship prior to getting into a new situation. True.. But We do not have a failed relationship Racist are promoting the idea that we have a failed relationship
ProfD Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 35 minutes ago, frankster said: There was no trying....we were and are One Most Well known Black Organizations prior to and during the 70's...Were formed by Black Africans regardless of Origin Now you have two supposedly Black organizations that has or intents to elevated street rivalries and office contentions over simply differences.... To create a new socio-political dimension of Division in and among Black Africans....based on Origin Why do people continue to believe this obvious propagandistic falsity....it has developed and taken off What do you mean by a major way? Yes...to believe that pan-africanism is ineffective Pan-Africanism at its best would have developed multinational companies to circulate wealth among Black people. There is no reason that Chinese people should have a major foothold investing & developing African countries. 35 minutes ago, frankster said: So you are equating drugs fiends as model on which to base our thinking ideas and treatment of a people? No. I used it as an example of the division that already exists among Black people. The Jamaicans did not see themselves as *brothers* to FBA/AfroAmericans. 35 minutes ago, frankster said: Then Be apart of the Union.... And not apart of the propagation of lies whose only purpose is to promote division. Sure. I spend a great deal of time re-educating the Africans in my own family. Every time my African family members fall off the wagon & start regurgitating the BS white media feeds them about Black folks, I have to bring them back from the brink of ignorance. Talking to & taking them on field trips to see Black folks at their best can be exhausting. 35 minutes ago, frankster said: Yes....We are one same tribe. We as a people have work to do Right. There is no shortage of work to do. 35 minutes ago, frankster said: But We do not have a failed relationship Racist are promoting the idea that we have a failed relationship it may not be a *failed* relationship but there are definitely levels of dysfunction within it. Again, I do not believe FBA/AfroAmericans have to permanently sever ties with other Black folks. However, I do not have a problem with the movement trying to determine who should receive reparations for America's original sin. For example, not all Black people in the USA should be entitled to reparations if their lineage does not trace back to slavery here. That's a different conversation though.
frankster Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: Pan-Africanism at its best would have developed multinational companies to circulate wealth among Black people. True... But isn't Politic liberty more important..It is the Philosophy of Pan Africanism most responsible for those Successes Getting Rid of Colonialism was a politically necessary first step... Developing Multinational Corporations is often no best for the Masses but the Individuals....maybe we will find another way Though we have a few Multinationals of our own 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: There is no reason that Chinese people should have a major foothold investing & developing African countries. There is every reason they do and should.... 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: No. I used it as an example of the division that already exists among Black people. Yes....and you used Drug Dealers as your example....Thats territorialism amongts criminals being used to color all black Africans - Wow Why not look to the UNIA PUSH NAACP NOI and the OAAU...Black Churches and Islamic Mosques - all bastions and representations of black unity with no regard to origin. but no let us focus on fringe the insignificant and highlight them who are most selfish greedy and ignorant amongst us....let the inform us teach us. 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: The Jamaicans did not see themselves as *brothers* to FBA/AfroAmericans. Really....do not confuse the few who were dealing drugs or caught in the pangs of ghetto life.. You mean Jamaicans who started the Haitian revolution and form the Rastafari movement and founded the UNIA? Some of our Civil Rights Leaders was from all over the Globe 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: Sure. I spend a great deal of time re-educating the Africans in my own family. Good.... 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: Every time my African family members fall off the wagon & start regurgitating the BS white media feeds them about Black folks, I have to bring them back from the brink of ignorance. Talking to & taking them on field trips to see Black folks at their best can be exhausting. Right. There is no shortage of work to do. Racist have media control and they know how to use well. 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: it may not be a *failed* relationship but there are definitely levels of dysfunction within it. There is a concerted effort to create this illusion that this dysfunction is a real characterization of the Global Black African Family. 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: Again, I do not believe FBA/AfroAmericans have to permanently sever ties with other Black folks. I never believe they did or where ever divided 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: However, I do not have a problem with the movement trying to determine who should receive reparations for America's original sin. A brother or sister who would deny another brother or sister bread is despicable... Knowing full well white women were the greatest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action....to which they could do nothing. Racist will not help you to deny white people anything....but they will most definitely help you to deny any black person everything. 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: For example, not all Black people in the USA should be entitled to reparations if their lineage does not trace back to slavery here. How are you to discern that? A lot of the deserving will be denied. 19 minutes ago, ProfD said: That's a different conversation though. Lets discuss it....started a new thread....
ProfD Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, frankster said: But isn't Politic liberty more important..It is the Philosophy of Pan Africanism most responsible for those Successes Getting Rid of Colonialism was a politically necessary first step... Developing Multinational Corporations is often no best for the Masses but the Individuals....maybe we will find another way That's where strategic alliances among Black people are beneficial. 1 hour ago, frankster said: There is every reason they do and should.... Anytime a man sacrifices his home, land, women, children, etc., to another man, they will all become slaves to him. Depending on the Chinese is no different from being colonized by white folks. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Yes....and you used Drug Dealers as your example....Thats territorialism amongts criminals being used to color all black Africans - Wow You're hung up on the minutiae of the larger point. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Why not look to the UNIA PUSH NAACP NOI and the OAAU...Black Churches and Islamic Mosques - all bastions and representations of black unity with no regard to origin. Despite these organizations, there are still divisions among Black people that exist to this day. 1 hour ago, frankster said: There is a concerted effort to create this illusion that this dysfunction is a real characterization of the Global Black African Family. As mentioned above, there's some reprogramming necessary among Black people to remove the scales of ignorance from their eyes including the 3rd. 1 hour ago, frankster said: A brother or sister who would deny another brother or sister bread is despicable... Reparations is not about excluding the poor &/or hungry. 1 hour ago, frankster said: How are you to discern that? A lot of the deserving will be denied. Reparations is not just about handing out checks. The plan I envision goes much deeper. However, it ultimately benefits ALL Black people.
frankster Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, ProfD said: That's where strategic alliances among Black people are beneficial. True 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Anytime a man sacrifices his home, land, women, children, etc., to another man, they will all become slaves to him. I do not see where that is what is happening.....but I know western media is saying that is what is happening. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Depending on the Chinese is no different from being colonized by white folks. That is to be seen... So far they have not went around setting brothers against brothers Displacing Killing Rapping Pillaging and Kidnapping Men Women and Children. What an individuals does is not always Government policy 1 hour ago, ProfD said: You're hung up on the minutiae of the larger point. I thought you were the one so hung up.... Please tell me of your "LargerPoint"? 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Despite these organizations, there are still divisions among Black people that exist to this day. Yes....thats we are going against a better financed opponent with a lot more access. Remember these opponents have in the past search all our success big and small for persecution through lynching floodings and bombings. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: As mentioned above, there's some reprogramming necessary among Black people to remove the scales of ignorance from their eyes including the 3rd. No doubt...especially those"scales" being espouse by FBA/ADOS 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Reparations is not about excluding the poor &/or hungry. True But FBA/ADOS is about denying those Black Africans deemed unworthy....whether poor or hungry. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Reparations is not just about handing out checks. The plan I envision goes much deeper. However, it ultimately benefits ALL Black people. Some of our more short sighted brothers and sisters want checks....I am sure the racist will support and accomdate them in their quest...maybe a compromise. For we are One.
ProfD Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, frankster said: I do not see where that is what is happening.....but I know western media is saying that is what is happening. I'm not accusing the Chinese of mistreating Africans. They're just rude as h8ll. In talking to Africans, they're not enthused with the way African leadership is bending over backwards to accommodate Chinese development & giving away resources to white folks & Arabs. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Some of our more short sighted brothers and sisters want checks.... Right. That's a very short-sighted view of a real reparations package. I'm not interested in merely handing out checks so Black folks can give the money right back to non-Black folks. That would be terrible.
umbrarchist Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 On 3/8/2026 at 10:42 AM, ProfD said: Yet, they have figured how to become the most powerful people on the planet. Which ones? The Smart White People, The Dumb White People, or The Brainy White People It is the technology. Any moron can shoot a machine gun. Is the problem escaping the sabotage? My mother called my science fiction books "Something CRAZY" when I was 10 years old. I ignored her. I decided to go to college for engineering at 12. No adults suggested it. Of course after 12 I never asked anybody. "Powerful?" Why are there so many homeless White Americans? How many who look prosperous are in debt to their eyebrows? This system is Bizarre!
ProfD Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 7 hours ago, umbrarchist said: Which ones? The Smart White People, & The Dumb White People, or The Brainy White People It is the technology. Any moron can shoot a machine gun. "Powerful?" Why are there so many homeless White Americans? How many who look prosperous are in debt to their eyebrows? This system is Bizarre! The same white people who invented both the technology & system & start wars.
frankster Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 18 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm not accusing the Chinese of mistreating Africans. They're just rude as h8ll. True dat 18 hours ago, ProfD said: In talking to Africans, they're not enthused with the way African leadership is bending over backwards to accommodate Chinese development & giving away resources to white folks & Arabs. So far the Chinese are the only one giving us Black Africans a fair deal.... The Whites and Arabs both play tag team so as to pressure unfair deals out of African 18 hours ago, ProfD said: Right. That's a very short-sighted view of a real reparations package. I agree 18 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm not interested in merely handing out checks so Black folks can give the money right back to non-Black folks. That would be terrible. Exactly
frankster Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 15 hours ago, umbrarchist said: Which ones? The Smart White People, The Dumb White People, or The Brainy White People It is the technology. Any moron can shoot a machine gun. Is the problem escaping the sabotage? My mother called my science fiction books "Something CRAZY" when I was 10 years old. I ignored her. I decided to go to college for engineering at 12. No adults suggested it. Of course after 12 I never asked anybody. "Powerful?" Why are there so many homeless White Americans? How many who look prosperous are in debt to their eyebrows? This system is Bizarre! We all Live lives of quiet Desparation... The System is Design to keep us in Desperate fear of Destitiution and Loss of Status....otherwise you will have time to challenge the Ruling Elite. Once you understand that....then it wll no longer seems bizarre.. My Mother always told me the Nobles and the Aristocracy are all evil.....I ignored her. As I studied the world I realized she was right... The Only thing that puzzled her was their fanaticism for wealth...she would always say they cannot take it with then I told her....Heavy is the head that wears the crown. She said that cannot be it because even when their death is inevitable they will still kill for a dollar? It took me awhile to figure that one out and even then i had a hard time accepting it as true.....The Epstien case finally led me to acceptance
Pioneer1 Posted March 11 Author Report Posted March 11 frankster It does weakens.... If this is true, can you PROVE how the current delineation movement among AfroAmericans where we are stressing and promoting our own separate identity and culture in contrast to other Blacks in the Diaspora has weakened either AfroAmericans as a community OR the Black race as a whole? In order to do this, you must show where we WERE strong and how specifically THIS movement has weakened that strength. Sometimes....but not in this case If did make us stronger we should see new growth but instead we see the disease of infighting You ARE seeing new growth. You are seeing economic growth from the promotion of FBA products and events. You are seeing intellectual growth as FBA educates entire generations of not just Black American youth but all who will listen about REAL Black American history including our presence in the United States before Slavery as well as our inventions. Ofcourse these things were taught to a certain degree before the FBA movement, but now you're seeing a huge resurgence. You are especially seeing a renewed and more vigorous call for Reparations and more accountablity from Black politicians. It turns a Difference into a Division....Thereby Creating a Separation You seem to be oblivious (or simply ignoring) the fact that many Africans and West Indians have ALREADY SEPARATED themselves from AfroAmericans anyway. Have been for a long time. It's a division THEY initiated. The FBA movement simply tells AfroAmericans to finally ACCEPT this fact and move on. Stop begging those who have no desire to unite with us TO do so, and instead focus on improving OUR OWN community. Then be the unifying force you know black people needs.....even when they or not and do not know they need it That's like telling a man who's wife left him and filed a restraining order against him, to be the best husband he can be to her whether she appreciates it or not. It doesn't matter how much you try, ultimately the person you're targeting has to be RECEPTIVE to your approach. They both learned what is taught to all who live in the US......be fearful and distrustful of Black African peoples - matters not whether you white or black African. Some would argue that most Whites don't have to be "taught" racism...in the U.S. or elsewhere. Some would argue that it is innately part of their genetic make-up. You obviously do not understand how propaganda works.... The social environment creates the narrative which creates the mental frame of reference ....which dictates how you interpret and understand what you see and experience. In short what they see and experience only supports the propaganda they have been fed "Propaganda" somebody's ass......... A lot of that shit they believe was fed to them....not from White folks....but FROM EACHOTHER. When you really do your research, you come to find out that a lot of their negative opinions of AfroAmericans didn't come from White folks or some movie shown to them in a dank dark room somewhere during the immigration process. It came from the mouths of other Africans, including their own parents....telling them to stay away from AfroAmericans and don't bring any home. I have yet to see these "movies" that so many people talk of being supposedly shown to Africans to turn them away from AfroAmericans. What are the propaganda videos that supposedly exist? They are watching the same violent movies with mostly White actors that many Americans watch. They aren't attending some special class that shows a picture of a Black man with an evil grin on his face and the words "stay away". No. They spread this foolishness about Black Americans among THEMSELVES. Somewhere in Portland or Seattle there's a White man sitting in a Starbucks tapping away on a tablet and sipping on a latte, having no idea of what he's being accused of....lol. "Wait.... They said I went to Africa and showed them what??? How To Be A Menace To Society???" ProfD Mainly because of the propaganda you mentioned that has brainwashed Africans & other Black folks. I'm beginning to even question THAT. Barack Obama was elected President back in '08....nearly 20 years ago and nearly all Africans know about him. Nearly every major metro area in this nation has wealthy and well-to-do Black people....some more than others....but EVERYWHERE has atleast SOME Black Americans doing well. So at this point, if any Africans or Asians or any other immigrants coming here will let some "Niggaz in the Hood" movie or rap video supersede the Black political and economic success that they can easily witness with their own two eyes in real life....we might as well hang up the phone on 'em.
ProfD Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I'm beginning to even question THAT. Barack Obama was elected President back in '08....nearly 20 years ago and nearly all Africans know about him. Nearly every major metro area in this nation has wealthy and well-to-do Black people....some more than others....but EVERYWHERE has atleast SOME Black Americans doing well. You're right. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: So at this point, if any Africans or Asians or any other immigrants coming here will let some "Niggaz in the Hood" movie or rap video supersede the Black political and economic success that they can easily witness with their own two eyes in real life....we might as well hang up the phone on 'em. Hilarious. Just close the flip phone. We're done talking bruddah.
umbrarchist Posted Friday at 06:03 AM Report Posted Friday at 06:03 AM On 3/10/2026 at 10:14 AM, ProfD said: The same white people who invented both the technology & system & start wars. The Apocryphal Monolithic White People? https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/maxims-machine-gun-slaughtered-hundreds-thousands-people-63222 Hiram Maxim invented the machine gun. Any Moron can shoot it. Of course it takes an industrial society to mass produce it.
frankster Posted Friday at 08:27 PM Report Posted Friday at 08:27 PM On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankster It does weakens.... If this is true, can you PROVE how the current delineation movement among AfroAmericans where we are stressing and promoting our own separate identity and culture First it is divivise.....It teaches at its core that we are not Black Africans - which is a basic Lie. Anything based on a lie tends to be evil and malicious. If we accept the Premise that we are not Africans then it provides support for the idea that we have no justifiable reasons to work togather. Currently it is foster misunderstanding and resentment based on where you are from and not who or what you are It Prioritizes Domestic issues over International Collaborations.... On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: in contrast to other Blacks in the Diaspora has weakened either AfroAmericans as a community OR the Black race as a whole? Do not understand the question.... They Purpose Aim and Goal of ADOS/FBA is to prevent a working relationship between People of the African Diaspora. On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: In order to do this, you must show where we WERE strong and how specifically THIS movement has weakened that strength. Pan AFricanism has gotten us all the freedoms we now enjoy both here and elswhere. This Functional Relationship is what is being undermined by providing a philosophical Organizational and political Basis for Division and Dissension On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: Sometimes....but not in this case If did make us stronger we should see new growth but instead we see the disease of infighting You ARE seeing new growth. The only growth I see is a growth in Dissention and a coming togather around issue that promoted hate and distrust of fellow black Africans On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: You are seeing economic growth from the promotion of FBA products and events. That is not growth....That is the commercialization(promotion and advertising) of hate and distrust among Black Africans - Degradation and Degeneration On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: You are seeing intellectual growth as FBA educates entire generations of not just Black American youth but all who will listen about REAL Black American history including our presence in the United States before Slavery as well as our inventions. The Black Africans in the USA before Slavery....was and is welknown - and they all came from Black Africa I learned all of that through and from Pan-Africanism. Now they are using that info to divide Black Africans at Home and Abroad On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: Ofcourse these things were taught to a certain degree before the FBA movement, but now you're seeing a huge resurgence. This Resurgence is funded and suits the purposes of the racist to create and foment Dissension with the Black African Community On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: You are especially seeing a renewed and more vigorous call for Reparations and more accountablity from Black politicians. We have been doing this for generations.....As one community What is new is that racist are trying to use money to drive a division among us On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: It turns a Difference into a Division....Thereby Creating a Separation You seem to be oblivious (or simply ignoring) the fact that many Africans and West Indians have ALREADY SEPARATED themselves from AfroAmericans anyway. No No you seemed to be ignoring the fact that I have already stated that both sides have ignoramuses in them....and we should not follow their example. In short I have Already acknowledge ignorance on both sides....you just want to be apart or see the separation and the hate Yes...the ignorant who have succumb to the propaganda of the racist.... So now you are going to reinforce that stupidity by doing the same or following them by separating yourself...thereby helping to accomplish the aims of the racist On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: Have been for a long time. Really....give an exapmple of this long time animosity? On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: It's a division THEY initiated. The blame game....They started it - so lets continue it On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: The FBA movement simply tells AfroAmericans to finally ACCEPT this fact and move on. Its is not a fact...because we are more united and have always been that way.. I see it everyday....how we all get along and intermarry. Do Not let the racist foster a lie to grow in your heart On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: Stop begging those who have no desire to unite with us TO do so, and instead focus on improving OUR OWN community. Do not beg anyone..... Yes focus on your community....The Black African Community. On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: Then be the unifying force you know black people needs.....even when they or not and do not know they need it That's like telling a man who's wife left him and filed a restraining order against him, to be the best husband he can be to her whether she appreciates it or not. No...not the best husband - the best Man he can be. On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: It doesn't matter how much you try, ultimately the person you're targeting has to be RECEPTIVE to your approach. You are not forcing anyone...nor or you denying anyone You are simply making it available and accessible to all in the community. On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: They both learned what is taught to all who live in the US......be fearful and distrustful of Black African peoples - matters not whether you white or black African. Some would argue that most Whites don't have to be "taught" racism...in the U.S. or elsewhere. Some would argue that it is innately part of their genetic make-up. I do not believe that... It is taught to use all regardless of socalled Race Ethnicity and place of Origin - it is Socialized Indoctrination On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: You obviously do not understand how propaganda works.... The social environment creates the narrative which creates the mental frame of reference ....which dictates how you interpret and understand what you see and experience. In short what they see and experience only supports the propaganda they have been fed "Propaganda" somebody's ass......... A lot of that shit they believe was fed to them....not from White folks....but FROM EACHOTHER. If that what you choose to believe On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: When you really do your research, you come to find out that a lot of their negative opinions of AfroAmericans didn't come from White folks or some movie shown to them in a dank dark room somewhere during the immigration process. It came from the mouths of other Africans, including their own parents....telling them to stay away from AfroAmericans and don't bring any home. Yes...but not during the immigration process' From in their respective homelands in their homes from Movies Magazines TV series BillBoards Product Covers or wrappings and Newspaper Produced Written and Promoted to them ......by racist owned Media. Informing then that they themselves are Lazy Sick Ugly and Ignorant just like their counterparts In the US.....self hate On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: I have yet to see these "movies" that so many people talk of being supposedly shown to Africans to turn them away from AfroAmericans. You Haven't???? lol I do not know if I should realy answer this because you must not be a black person! On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: What are the propaganda videos that supposedly exist? They are watching the same violent movies with mostly White actors that many Americans watch. Dude you seriously....do not know how to recognize propaganda? That is why you reason like you do. On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: They aren't attending some special class that shows a picture of a Black man with an evil grin on his face and the words "stay away". No. LOL....I will give you a peak and the one of the most blatant one and you should go watch it..... Most today are Subliminal and Implicit Birth of a Nation.... On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: They spread this foolishness about Black Americans among THEMSELVES. Go listen to every thing Charlie Kirk say and espouse about or in regard to Black Africans....that whats fed to Black African Community Globally as truth On 3/10/2026 at 8:06 PM, Pioneer1 said: Somewhere in Portland or Seattle there's a White man sitting in a Starbucks tapping away on a tablet and sipping on a latte, having no idea of what he's being accused of....lol. "Wait.... They said I went to Africa and showed them what??? How To Be A Menace To Society???" Yes...that could very well be true
Pioneer1 Posted Saturday at 04:48 PM Author Report Posted Saturday at 04:48 PM frankster First it is divivise.....It teaches at its core that we are not Black Africans - which is a basic Lie. Many of them are right. Despite their motives of not wanting to be associated with Africa, many of those who represent and promote the FBA movement are actually correct because many so-called Black Americans actually are NOT Black Africans Many AfroAmericans like Dr. Claude Anderson and the late great Neely Fuller Jr. are more White than they are Black....genetically speaking. They are AfroAmerican by heritage and culture and are our people, but they aren't the same "race" as Tyrese or Oprah or Michael Jordan. This racial/genetic difference is important because it explains how people of the same ethnicity may still see, experience, and process things differently based on their genetic make-up. If we accept the Premise that we are not Africans then it provides support for the idea that we have no justifiable reasons to work togather. You have a good point of which I agree with. It Prioritizes Domestic issues over International Collaborations.... Now this is a GOOD thing in my opinion because we as AfroAmericans really SHOULD be getting our house in order as best we reasonably can FIRST before attempting to connect with and network with other groups who are in a worse condition. How can we help those when we haven't helped ourselves? If you attempt to hook up with and work with others before getting your own shit together first, this often makes you vulnerable to be exploited by others. Do not understand the question.... They Purpose Aim and Goal of ADOS/FBA is to prevent a working relationship between People of the African Diaspora. According to YOU. According to ADOS, their primary goal is to seek Reparations. According to FBA, their primary goal is to delineate and promote and PRIORITIZE Black Americans and our issues first OVER others but not necessarily to prevent working with them. But the question again is how has the FBA or ADOS movement weakened the Black race globally? Yes it has exposed divisions and perhaps widened divisions that already existed, but how has it WEAKENED the Black race? For example, can you show evidence how the FBA or ADOS movements have made Black people poorer, caused more violence directed at Black people, caused Black people to lose businesses or political offices? Pan AFricanism has gotten us all the freedoms we now enjoy both here and elswhere. I'm not sure of that. AfroAmerican organizing and fighting has gotten US as AfroAmericans the benefits that we currently enjoy. And although the majority of the fight done by Black South Africans, pressure FROM AfroAmericans also helped them to end Apartheid in South Africa. Our Civil Rights movements have inspired Black people around the planet to have more pride in themselves and become more politically active. However, except for a few West Indian individuals like Marcus Garvey and Minister Farrakhan....and except for the Haitian Revolution which was over 200 years ago....what have OTHER Black people in the Diaspora either individually or collectively done to help AfroAmericans? That is not growth....That is the commercialization(promotion and advertising) of hate and distrust among Black Africans - Degradation and Degeneration Tariq Nasheed did a film recently called "Microphone Check" in which he documents and details the FBA origins and foundations of Hip Hop music. Can you explain to me how THIS promotion and commercialization of FBA heritage has promote hate and denigration of other Black people? What is new is that racist are trying to use money to drive a division among us Lol....that is NOT new. Racists have been using resources to divide Black people for generations. No No you seemed to be ignoring the fact that I have already stated that both sides have ignoramuses in them....and we should not follow their example. I haven't ignored it. What I'm taking issue with is the fact that you seem to be "evening" or "leveling" the blame for the lack of unity among the Diasporan community instead of properly laying most of the weight of the blame where it should be....non-Black Americans. Outside of the White racists who are the MOST to blame for the lack of unity among our people, those who are second most responsible would be other Black ethnicities who don't carry the mantle of Pan-Africanism and see themselves as individual based on their tribes or religions first. Black Americans are one of the few Black groups who prioritize being Black and uniting on that basis above other identities. So now you are going to reinforce that stupidity by doing the same or following them by separating yourself...thereby helping to accomplish the aims of the racist Again, we are already separate....culturally speaking. However the delineation comes from so many of THEM isolating themselves from US and not prioritizing their Blackness the way WE do. How many Black Africans or Black West Indians are on this site willing to just talk with us casually? The blame game....They started it - so lets continue it Anytime you have a pandemic or epidemic that effects the entire community or globe...in order to solve it you usually have to look for it's origins. Its is not a fact...because we are more united and have always been that way.. I see it everyday....how we all get along and intermarry. I don't see Black Americans and Africans marrying every day. I see them getting along NOW more than they did 20 or even 15 years ago, but I don't see what you're talking about. Yes focus on your community....The Black African Community. If you want to go there, YOU said that ALL people are Africans....lol. So why just focus on the BLACK African community? Why not be a TRUE Pan-Africanist and focus on all of humanity???? Yes...but not during the immigration process' From in their respective homelands in their homes from Movies Magazines TV series BillBoards Product Covers or wrappings and Newspaper Produced Written and Promoted to them ......by racist owned Media. Informing then that they themselves are Lazy Sick Ugly and Ignorant just like their counterparts In the US.....self hate Can you give me some examples? Say a list of 5.....movies, magazines, billboards, etc....from the last 20 years promoted in Africa that portray AfroAmericans specifically in a negative light? You Haven't???? lol I do not know if I should realy answer this because you must not be a black person! Lol..... You're starting to sound like Joe Biden now. "If you can't figure out whether you should vote for me or Donald Trump.... then YOU AIN'T BLACK" Whether I'm actually Black or not shouldn't prevent YOU from naming these videos I keep hearing about that has brainwashed these Africans into not liking or trusting Black Americans. From what they've told me it's often times THEIR OWN FAMILY members teaching them this shit, not some damn movie or video. Dude you seriously....do not know how to recognize propaganda? That is why you reason like you do. We can cut out all the drama and get to name dropping. In the past 20 years....what movies or videos are they showing to Africans to get them to think negatively about AfroAmericans? LOL....I will give you a peak and the one of the most blatant one and you should go watch it..... Most today are Subliminal and Implicit Birth of a Nation.... Man, that movie is over 100 years old! Most AMERICANS haven't even seen that damn movie, let alone Africans....lol. Go listen to every thing Charlie Kirk say and espouse about or in regard to Black Africans....that whats fed to Black African Community Globally as truth I'm only vaguely family with Charlie Kirk's work and propaganda. It is my understanding that most of his events and speeches dealt with issues in America and in American politics. Did he do a lot of work in Africa as well? That would indeed be shocking. I'm trying to get you to see how big of a role other Black people in the Diaspora THEMSELVES play in promoting the hatred and division you see in the greater Black nation. You want to blame nearly all of it on White folks and FBA/ADOS but White in many case through out history White folks have merely taken advantage of the fractures and divisions that have already existed among Black people...including pre-colonial Africa.
frankster Posted Monday at 02:18 AM Report Posted Monday at 02:18 AM On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankste First it is divivise.....It teaches at its core that we are not Black Africans - which is a basic Lie. Many of them are right. Despite their motives of not wanting to be associated with Africa, many of those who represent and promote the FBA movement are actually correct because many so-called Black Americans actually are NOT Black Africans To racist they are all Black FBA is trying to create division where there is none On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Many AfroAmericans like Dr. Claude Anderson and the late great Neely Fuller Jr. are more White than they are Black....genetically speaking. Science have yet to identify a so called black or white gene that is exclusive to any one socalled race What you are furthering is racism in two of its Internalize forms .....Featurism and colorism/shadeism As far as western racism is concern....They are Africans On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: They are AfroAmerican by heritage and culture and are our people, but they aren't the same "race" as Tyrese or Oprah or Michael Jordan. Then what race are they? On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: This racial/genetic difference is important because it explains how people of the same ethnicity may still see, experience, and process things differently based on their genetic make-up. Not Genetics.... But on their social upbringing and individuality On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: If we accept the Premise that we are not Africans then it provides support for the idea that we have no justifiable reasons to work togather. You have a good point of which I agree with. Yet you know this and promulgate such divivise ideas On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: It Prioritizes Domestic issues over International Collaborations.... Now this is a GOOD thing in my opinion because we as AfroAmericans really SHOULD be getting our house in order as best we reasonably can FIRST before attempting to connect with and network with other groups who are in a worse condition. Yes we should get our house together. Our house is Your House....Your house is Our house - they are One and the same On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: How can we help those when we haven't helped ourselves? Teach them how to help themselves....do On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: If you attempt to hook up with and work with others before getting your own shit together first, this often makes you vulnerable to be exploited by others. True... So do not hook up without first making help available and accessible. On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Do not understand the question.... They Purpose Aim and Goal of ADOS/FBA is to prevent a working relationship between People of the African Diaspora. According to YOU. According to ADOS, their primary goal is to seek Reparations. According to FBA, their primary goal is to delineate and promote and PRIORITIZE Black Americans and our issues first OVER others but not necessarily to prevent working with them. Both FBA/ADOS real goal is to prevent a working relationship between and among Black Africans of the Diaspora.. On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: But the question again is how has the FBA or ADOS movement weakened the Black race globally? How can you ask this when you just agree with me on this issue here is quote of our previous exchange: If we accept the Premise that we are not Africans then it provides support for the idea that we have no justifiable reasons to work togather. You have a good point of which I agree with. Which do you think help our cause unity or division? On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Yes it has exposed divisions and perhaps widened divisions that already existed, but how has it WEAKENED the Black race? Division of a people does not result in strengthening them On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: For example, can you show evidence how the FBA or ADOS movements have made Black people poorer, caused more violence directed at Black people, caused Black people to lose businesses or political offices? Sure can.....The FBA/ADOS organization are black washed BIRTHERISM used and failed against Obama.....but was exteremely successful against Kamala Harris.... Where many Black African Men and Women voted for a white man instead of a Black woman... On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Pan AFricanism has gotten us all the freedoms we now enjoy both here and elswhere. I'm not sure of that. AfroAmerican organizing and fighting has gotten US as AfroAmericans the benefits that we currently enjoy. Stokely Carmicheal was a leader in the Civil Rights movement and he was from Trinidad... On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: And although the majority of the fight done by Black South Africans, pressure FROM AfroAmericans also helped them to end Apartheid in South Africa. We have always worked together On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Our Civil Rights movements have inspired Black people around the planet to have more pride in themselves and become more politically active. Yes... So Have our struggles in Haiti and successful overthrow of racist led to many revolutions all over the globe On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: However, except for a few West Indian individuals like Marcus Garvey and Minister Farrakhan....and except for the Haitian Revolution which was over 200 years ago....what have OTHER Black people in the Diaspora either individually or collectively done to help AfroAmericans? Harry Bellafonte Malcolm X Shirley Chisholm and A Philip Randolph etc On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: That is not growth....That is the commercialization(promotion and advertising) of hate and distrust among Black Africans - Degradation and Degeneration Tariq Nasheed did a film recently called "Microphone Check" in which he documents and details the FBA origins and foundations of Hip Hop music. Can you explain to me how THIS promotion and commercialization of FBA heritage has promote hate and denigration of other Black people? This is a cheap attempt by conflating obfuscating in order to confound and distract It is being promoted as an us against them in order to sow dissension..... Laying the fondation for division which will only grow On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: What is new is that racist are trying to use money to drive a division among us Lol....that is NOT new. Racists have been using resources to divide Black people for generations. True... The complete thought did not post On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: No No you seemed to be ignoring the fact that I have already stated that both sides have ignoramuses in them....and we should not follow their example. I haven't ignored it. What I'm taking issue with is the fact that you seem to be "evening" or "leveling" the blame for the lack of unity among the Diasporan community instead of properly laying most of the weight of the blame where it should be....non-Black Americans. NO....I do not play the blame game No one can win and everybody can lose....it is all ado about nothing It will be a circus of he did she did without end Instead one should just solve the issue at hand Work together on our Issues. On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Outside of the White racists who are the MOST to blame for the lack of unity among our people, Yes On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: those who are second most responsible would be other Black ethnicities who don't carry the mantle of Pan-Africanism and see themselves as individual based on their tribes or religions first. Teach them school them.....dont blame them On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Black Americans are one of the few Black groups who prioritize being Black and uniting on that basis above other identities. True I find that in some members of all black African Communities On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: So now you are going to reinforce that stupidity by doing the same or following them by separating yourself...thereby helping to accomplish the aims of the racist Again, we are already separate....culturally speaking. However the delineation comes from so many of THEM isolating themselves from US and not prioritizing their Blackness the way WE do. It comes from the ignorant among us.....do not make them your role model On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: How many Black Africans or Black West Indians are on this site willing to just talk with us casually? I really do not know....ask admin I see them on other websites and forum discussion boards.... On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: The blame game....They started it - so lets continue it Anytime you have a pandemic or epidemic that effects the entire community or globe...in order to solve it you usually have to look for it's origins. Yes To find the source and causes not to blame and create division..... but to discourage and stop unhealthy behavior. And replace it with healthy habits. On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Its is not a fact...because we are more united and have always been that way.. I see it everyday....how we all get along and intermarry. I don't see Black Americans and Africans marrying every day. I see them getting along NOW more than they did 20 or even 15 years ago, but I don't see what you're talking about. I see it When last you been to Church or the Masjid? On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Yes focus on your community....The Black African Community. If you want to go there, YOU said that ALL people are Africans....lol. Yes On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: So why just focus on the BLACK African community? Why not be a TRUE Pan-Africanist and focus on all of humanity???? Because I am talking to @Pioneer1 about Black African issues... So I try to maintain a distinction so as not cause confusion in our discourse Now the term Pan Africanism is mostly concern with the conventional meaning of African..... On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Yes...but not during the immigration process' From in their respective homelands in their homes from Movies Magazines TV series BillBoards Product Covers or wrappings and Newspaper Produced Written and Promoted to them ......by racist owned Media. Informing then that they themselves are Lazy Sick Ugly and Ignorant just like their counterparts In the US.....self hate Can you give me some examples? Say a list of 5.....movies, magazines, billboards, etc....from the last 20 years promoted in Africa that portray AfroAmericans specifically in a negative light? I gave you one...that should suffice Check out CEMOTAP (The Committee to Eliminate Media Offensive to African People) start there and pull on that thread do A deep dive. On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: You Haven't???? lol I do not know if I should realy answer this because you must not be a black person! Lol..... You're starting to sound like Joe Biden now. "If you can't figure out whether you should vote for me or Donald Trump.... then YOU AIN'T BLACK" Birth Of A Nation.....the most blatant Game recognize game On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Whether I'm actually Black or not shouldn't prevent YOU from naming these videos I keep hearing about that has brainwashed these Africans into not liking or trusting Black Americans. From what they've told me it's often times THEIR OWN FAMILY members teaching them this shit, not some damn movie or video. Who and Where do these family membesr learn it? On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Dude you seriously....do not know how to recognize propaganda? That is why you reason like you do. We can cut out all the drama and get to name dropping. In the past 20 years....what movies or videos are they showing to Africans to get them to think negatively about AfroAmericans? Now you saying past twenty yrs.....do your research man On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: LOL....I will give you a peak and the one of the most blatant one and you should go watch it..... Most today are Subliminal and Implicit Birth of a Nation.... Man, that movie is over 100 years old! Most AMERICANS haven't even seen that damn movie, let alone Africans....lol. Did you see it? On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: Go listen to every thing Charlie Kirk say and espouse about or in regard to Black Africans....that whats fed to Black African Community Globally as truth I'm only vaguely family with Charlie Kirk's work and propaganda. It is my understanding that most of his events and speeches dealt with issues in America and in American politics. Did he do a lot of work in Africa as well? That would indeed be shocking. I do not know how much work he did in Africa if any ..... He is an example of the type of propaganda that we are all exposed to....about our fellow african community On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: I'm trying to get you to see how big of a role other Black people in the Diaspora THEMSELVES play in promoting the hatred and division you see in the greater Black nation. I see it Just that I know what the cause is......ignorance On 3/14/2026 at 12:48 PM, Pioneer1 said: You want to blame nearly all of it on White folks and FBA/ADOS but White in many case through out history White folks have merely taken advantage of the fractures and divisions that have already existed among Black people...including pre-colonial Africa. Yes....racist see a difference and create a dividsion among people where none was so as to expliot them both
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