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I think Pioneer just nailed the entire discussion. 

Troy I think you are not clear on what I'm discussing. My goal is not to get people to move to Memphis, my goal is to ask you with your facts and data why is it that a city with the infrastructure and political influence of Blacks in almost every major area why is Memphis failing to sway crime and why do we have the low education rates? Why is it that Memphis has everything that you seem to shoot for in establishing if there was more Black leadership or political influence, why is it Memphis is struggling. Once again the fallback answer will be history and once again I repeat I get that history has had an effect, but why are the kids here choosing to kill each other when they could all earn a living wage (yes I said all) at the multitude of warehouses and distribution centers in Memphis? The majority which offer tuition reimbursement. Memphis is the perfect model for establishing how a city can prosper under Black political influence, but because of the previous years of racism and laws it simply can't overcome the past. This is why I keep coming back to the need for the parents and immediate circle to build. This is why Pioneer's last post is so powerful. He states it perfectly, there has to be an effort at every level in the Black community.

You overlooked again where I said there were crappy teachers. Stop overlooking that. My personal experience is the exact same experience as your data I simply haven't take the time to write a book on the three distinct locations I've taught in that shows how the kids overcome the worst of circumstances when the teachers and parents work together. Please stop acting as if I said there aren't crappy teachers. I said based on percentages there are more good teachers than bad, and there are more good students than bad. If there weren't all Blacks would be in prison or dead and that just isn't the case. Your doom and gloom is almost as bad as the nihilism that prevents our people from seeking a way out when there is something they can try to latch on to.

Now to your points, my passport thing as you explain it is a great point. I may get a chance to speak and will need one, but remember I've spent time in more places in the world than most while in the Navy on West Pac cruises so my experience is extremely diverse. My decision to see more of this country is one that I'm doing now, but the fact is these opportunities are difficult when your kids are 14 and 8. I would assume a lot of your travel was as your kids became old enough or your extended family was capable of taking care of your kids. The reason I bring up why people aren't looking at passports and why that's a poor barometer is you've said continuously the opportunities aren't there for them so why would they spend time on a passport? More important some kids aren't even aware of what is available in their own cities. I know Black people in Memphis that have never been to any of the restaurants here that are locally owned. They only go to chains. I knew people in San Diego who lived in Southeast and had never been to the beach! Like you said, they are struggling.

I was speaking with my son last night (14) and I told him that when a person lives in the hood, that's all there is. If they don't have a car, they can't get a job. If they don't have food near them, they can't eat healthy. If they can't eat they can't perform well at school. They are absolutely stuck. I get that the government should do something and be held accountable, what I've been saying this whole time is that I just don't see it happening, so now what?

My solution is basic, touch the immediate circle. Your solution is to change the media. Pioneer's solution is to attack the system at every level through activism. Every one of these solutions are viable and important. I keep saying this. I'm only introducing Memphis as a city where everything is in place at the political level and with Black media outlets, but in Memphis as in every city where there is a majority Black population (using your words back there) Blacks are not doing as well as other groups. I chalk this up to my position that we are not focused enough on our immediate circles. Parents are not invested in their kids. Kids are not invested in their schools. Teachers are hindered from doing "everything" they can to build stronger people, but ultimately it's the lack of investment in the kids by the parents which is at the root of our shortcomings. For this reason I spend as much time as I can uplifting and trying to change what I can touch.

This is my logic. I'm not asking that it become yours. I am asking that in your discussions you use the data that discusses the success of kids who have parental involvement. Racism and Society are factors, but Parental Involvement is a very strong tool in battling the issues in our community. It is the only one that can work no matter the income level or government involvement. 

Oh, Nixon... read it, heard about it, how is this any different than the previous 400 years? This has always been done. The difference is in the last 40 years Blacks have placed the attainment of things over their children at every income level in the Black community things are more important than kids.

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Troy

I don't know how quickly vets can get a Passport, I know for us civilians it can take a while after applying. And you never know what type of emergency may jump off where you might have to book up out of here immediately.   Especially if Trump is President talking about building walls around the country to keep people out....
:ph34r:....or will it really be to keep people in?

Mine has really come in handy in more ways than I could imagine.
I got my Passport originally so that I could go to Europe but now it helps me get into Canada.
When I first started going to Canada at 17 all you needed was ID to prove your citizenship.
Then after 9/11 they started demanding you bring your birth certificate to cross over.
Now you need either a Passport or "Enhanced ID" just to get across the river.....AND GET BACK!
Border security will harass you even if they know you're an American, especially Blacks and Arabs.

I'll also co-sign on your point about how traveling abroad tends to change one's perspective and offers you someting to compare the United States to.  Much of my dissatisfaction with how things are managed here actually COMES from my having been to Europe and my frequent trips to Canada which showed me there were better more effecient ways of doing things.

I went to Europe and every day I interacted with Black people who could speak 3 or 4 different languages, MOST had academic degrees and professional jobs or their own businesses, and most had clear criminal records and were on friendly terms with the local police. That let me know that there must be something wrong with the SYSTEM Blacks find themselves in here in America more so than a problem with Black people themselves.  If being Black in and of itself was the problem (as racists and most conservatives would have you believe) then you would find the same social dysfunction among Black people in other Western nations....but you don't. I was in Belgium and was suprised to find the Congolese population there own atleast 2 television stations and have their own districts .  They are members of parliament and hold other offices of authority.  I didn't know ANY of this until I actually traveled 6,000 miles and saw it for myself.  You don't hear about this on U.S. television.
 Haitians also have a lot of power in Montreal Canada.

 

I think BOTH of you are remarkable btw...
Aside from health, imparting knowledge is one of the greatest gives one human could give another so anytime Black men are willing to join the TEACHING profession and impart knowledge to the youth from a perspective only a Black man could give....that deserves applause and admiration.
Just like I personally believe Black police officers are BEST qualified (not that others can't) to handle other Black people in a proper manner because we tend to KNOW eachother and can tell the decent from the not so decent better than those outside of our community can....
It's the same when it comes to teaching.
There are certain things about Black males that only other older Black males who have been through what they've been through already can teach them...and in the WAY they need to be taught.
 

 

 


CD

Your story reminds me of one of my friends growing up who used to carry all types of guns and dope to school. He used to come to class just to sleep and then wake up bragging about what he saw at the dope house last night...lol. He wasn't necessarily hard...just criminal minded. People thought he would be dead or in jail before even graduating. But he was good at hooping and the coach helped him graduate.

10 years later I saw the brother in line at the bank in a suit, overcoat, and briefcase looking like Denzel Washington. That negro fucked around and got a Doctorate and ended up PRINCIPLE of one of the local Middle Schools!
When he told me this, knowing him, I said he HAD to be lying so a few weeks later I decided to go to the school and ask around and before I could park I saw him outside the school in a different suit and a stack of papers in his hand giving little kids high-fives and bumping fists with parents as they came to pick up their children.  I was glowing the rest of the day after witnessing that.

It just goes to show, you never know where life will take you....if you keep on living.

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Sara

Not only is the system currently in operation in the nation designed for Black people to fail, WESTERN SOCIETY in general was designed to benefit Whites and malign people of color.  It was designed this way during the European Renaissance as a way to maintain power and dominion over the territory and people's they conquered.

The diet which promotes a lot of starches and dairy products is against our nature.
The cold highy individualistic social customs are against our nature.
The nuclear family structure is against our nature.
The overly-cereberal and less kinetic academic system is against our nature.
The dreamy unattainable and usually sexually restrictive moral codes are against our nature.

But there is  hope if we choose to take advantage of some of the SAID freedoms America originally intended for it's White male citizens but WE now have after much struggle.   Taking advantage of them can give us a window of opportunity to correct other imbalances in the system and allow more of us to prosper in it.


 

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"It just goes to show, you never know where life will take you....if you keep on living."

Pioneer this is exactly my point. I know what the pitfalls are and the problems, but spending time dwelling on those things saps the positive energy required to get things done. I prefer to generate as much positive energy as I can when it comes to believing in the potential of my people. Doing this allows me to see the response to the good things and it helps. I look at the successes and then share those stories so that there will be more.

As far as the passport it isn't any faster for a Veteran just a few steps shorter because I have a DD-214. I just don't have one, but I've been to Singapore, Hong Kong (which is how I was able to start my shoe company), Perth, Dubai, and Manila. I haven't been to Alaska, Maine, or Puerto Rico (places here and commonwealths). I'd like to visit a lot of places here in my country and I claim this country as my own with all of its flaws. There isn't any other place I'd rather be. I'm not as down on the country as most people are. Maybe because of what I've been able to do coming from where I'm from. As much as I enjoyed visiting all of the places I saw overseas, America to me is still a great place. 

I see beauty in the struggle and I see opportunity. 

Good dialogue!

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 "...doom and gloom..."  sure that is the reality, but nihilism--no, not at all.  Trying to make the world, or at least our part of it a better place is what gives life meaning.  And if one did not believe things could get better there would be no reason to waste one's time trying.

So I can point out and complain about how the terrible conditions are in our chocolate cities, and at the same time try to do something about it.  

The problems we have are profound.  Again, I assert, doing the right things is not enough.

We have a very loooong history doing the right things.  We have to look at why, despite doing the right things, we are collectively doing so poorly in 2016.  We can do everything right up to getting a Brother into the white house, and it makes no difference.  We have to recognize the institutional structures constantly put in our path that thwarts our efforts, then and only then, can we make some progress.

This is why cities like Memphis are doing so poorly.  I was making a point, not suggesting that you (Chris) were trying to convince people to move there I could have used any other chocolate city to make the same point, Detroit, Newark, St Louis, DC, etc...

The solutions will not come easy for we have to do the right thing and make significant changes in how things work in this country.  Doing the right thing is easy--mostr people do that anyway, changing the system is hard ...very hard.

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Seems to me that blacks live in America, but it is not our country. In order to cure our ills and gain our equality and uplift ourselves, we would have to fall back and re-group; get our own territory. and start over. This is what Elijah Muhammad and the Black Muslims preached years ago.  But the thought of black Americans all converging in one place and trying to unite and organize was met with leery skepticism by the very people this was supposed to benefit.. 

Militants like Malcolm X and Stokely Carmichael and Huey Newton preached about seizing the time and taking our freedom, justice, and equality by any means necessary.  They were about revolution.  This is what the seminal Rap Group The last Poets had to say about this in their 1971 album. 

"Niggers tell you they're ready to be liberated
But when you say 'Let's go take our liberation'
Niggers reply: 'I was just playin'
Niggers are playing with revolution and losing
Niggers are scared of revolution..."

 Jesse Jackson said: "Keep hope alive!"

In the year 2016, everybody has their own mantra.  Mine is: "Whatever floats your boat."  

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Once again I love the dialogue, but I choose to look at what we are doing right that is working. The last 40 years have seen the decimation of the Black family, increase in incarceration and a collapse of the middle class Black family. 

This same 40 years saw the rise of multi-millionaire Black stars in sports and entertainment. An explosion of Black literature and publishing opportunities, an increase in enrollment into higher education, more women graduates and entrepreneurs than we've ever seen. As bad as things are, is as good as things can be. 

You spend each day finding a fact about Black people. This affects someone on a daily basis. If it stops, you may indirectly take out the next Maya Angelou. Without regard to whether you know what you are doing is working, you keep doing it. What you are doing is not exceptional and it changes things. What you are doing is what you needs to be done. I'm saying people in dire situations may not be aware of what needs to be done, but they know right from wrong. While there are excuses made for people who sell drugs, they don't have to do it.

I don't want to hear, "people are going to do what they do to survive." That's bullshit. You can stop before you pull the trigger and kill another Black man. You can stop and say I will die before I sell dope to another Black man. As naive as this sounds, I really don't care. We have choices to make, difficult choices, life or death choices, but we have to lift us up. If we don't all of our discussion becomes moot.

Cynique The Last Poets said it best, "Niggers are scared of Revolution." Black folks are absolutely terrified of waking up and not killing each other, hurting each other. Black folks are terrified of helping one another. That is the real revolution helping each other.

Like I said I love this dialogue, but I have few more last examples of why I think the action from the people is more powerful :-)

Troy, if it was Michael Eric Dyson, Omar Tyree, Bernice McFadden having this back and forth on AALBC what would happen to AALBC? While earlier it was noted that President Obama could have made an author, what would happen if the authors you profile actually made other authors? Literature would change immediately.

If every parent in the hood decided for one month to visit the school and make it to every teacher's meeting. I'm not talking both parents at least one of them, what would happen to the schools? If every parent planned an unexpected visit to the school at least once a month, what would happen in the schools? If every student made a commitment to not be disruptive for themselves, not to help the teacher or for the parents, if a kid decided to be dedicated, even in the worst school, what would happen?

If gangbangers stopped banging, what would happen in the hood. 

I know it's all simplistic and there is more to it than this, but my point is there are very subtle shifts that could occur in the Black community that would empower the hell out of the people. Rappers just say not to destructive music, etc. All small and simple things that don't require us to wait on government. You said doing the right thing is easy. I don't believe that. Obviously it has never been easy and really that's why we are where we are.

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I find it odd that somebody who crows about how awesome black folks are and how much she loves them and reveres their history, is also a someone who thinks nothing of looking down on blacks who she doesn't consider on "her level", dismissing them as drop-outs and idlers and worst of all, old, never appreciating the masses of black folks who work at honest labor and who have gotten their education from the school of hard knocks and their degrees in common sense.    LOL and SMH.  

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Oh lord, the girl done picked her gun back up.......

Cynique


I too used to say "Whatever floats your boat"....until everybody else started saying it.

Now I like to end disagreements with, "Well...whatever helps you sleep at night".






CD

Though I'm not quite ready to lable the United States the BEST nation in the world because I haven't been to every nation to qualify that statement....I believe it's up there in the top 10. ((smile)).

Personally, I like Canada better.  I fell in love with it the first time I went there after experiencing females actually hitting on me.  That was something that used to rarely happen in the United States.  I remember going to the mall and seeing Chinese girls wearing Fila with their hair braided up, and Chinese men with fades and earrings.  I thought to myself, something is DIFFERENT about this place.
Then at the airport a White woman asked me to hold her purse while she took a picture of her relatives and I started looking around for a video camera thinking it was a joke....lol.
The social attitude there as compared to here was like day and night.
The taxes are high, but in my opinion Canada is a healthier place for Black psychological health.



But if America is indeed the best nation on Earth, best believe it's because we FORCED her into greatness!

And we can't stop....we have to keep pushing.
We can be grateful, and we should be.
But once you get SATIFIED with the way things are and stop adding more fuel to the fire....like a car in neutral if you aren't going forward then you go backwards.
We're seeing now what happens when people stop fighting for more and more government benefits...they start stripping them away.
Look at how expensive healthcare and college tuition has become.

You had to go to the military and risk your life and disability just to get a good college education, meanwhile the German, the British, the French boy your same age was able to go to college for FREE during that same time period.

Why?

Because while the United States was spending hundreds of billions of dollars to protect Europe.....since they didn't have to spend money building their military Europe could focus it's revenue on benefits for it's own citizens like free healthcare and free college education.








Sara

When a system is set up to ensure you fail, you will most likely be prevented from taking advantage of "said" freedoms. Yes, there will always be a token, but as a group, well, since everything is interconnected, SAID system will fail if it permits the group to partake of its goodies, unmolested. Reform only goes so far.


Surely the system is set up for certain people to fail, but I believe God has the power  to override ANY system and bless whom He chooses to prevail. Even during slavery there were Black people who were wealthy and prosperous. There have always been Black people who were blessed to achieve greatness despite the pressures against them.

There is a certain type of Karma that tends to balance things out, even on the racial level.
You think you wiped out the Native Americans, but they return to the land...this time speaking Spanish as Mexicans and Central Americans. 

I've even heard that America was secretly set up with the knowledge that Blacks would not only eventually gain thier freedom, but the forefathers also knew that through this nation we would eventually gain our rightful place on the planet.

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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Oh lord, the girl done picked her gun back up.......

No sly innuendo should go unanswered, Pioneer.   

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I too used to say "Whatever floats your boat"....until everybody else started saying it.

Now I like to end disagreements with, "Well...whatever helps you sleep at night".

 

 Well, you aren't going to sleep very well if your boat sinks.

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PIONEER  said:

I've even heard that America was secretly set up with the knowledge that Blacks would not only eventually gain thier freedom, but the forefathers also knew that through this nation we would eventually gain our rightful place on the planet.

Are you by any chance a Mason, Pioneer?  There are all kinds of conspiracy theories about how they secretly crafted the direction and the destiny of this country incorporating Astrology into the mix.  Anything can happen. Time is what brings change at its own natural pace.  As a  "religious" man, do you think Noah's curse on his son Ham has anything to do with the lingering pall that hangs over the black race.  That is the interpretation of many white Christians who used religion to keep slaves in bondage.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Surely the system is set up for certain people to fail, but I believe God has the power  to override ANY system and bless whom He chooses to prevail. Even during slavery there were Black people who were wealthy and prosperous. There have always been Black people who were blessed to achieve greatness despite the pressures against them.

Yes, there have always been examples of "rugged individuals", who undertook their own journey, "getting by with a little help from their friends."

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Cynique

No, I'm not a mason.

I'm sorry, I didn't intend for my reference to God to be taken as a RELIGIOUS reference.
I'm speaking from a non-religious point of view, though I do consider myself spiritually inclined with a strong belief in the Supreme Being.

Nor do I believe in that "Noah cursing Ham" garbage.
Most of the stories of the Bible were written by Semites....desert Caucasians who had to justify their racist genocidal takeover of Black lands in the Middle East.

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Obviously, Chris you get no arguement from me on the power of people working together and doing things in an organized fashion in their own self-interest.  The problem is that we rarely do this.

Rather we do what what is in some corporation's best interest or what is in our own individual best interest.  Corporations are great at helping people do what is the individual's best interest, often at the expense of everyone else.  If that makes sense.

To your point about Michael Eric Dyson, Omar Tyree, and Bernice McFadden participating on this site in a conversation.  If course if that happened people would come here to participate or read and AALBC.com would grow stronger as a result.  I'd be able to help many authors more easily with the additional revenue, and readers would be better served, and I'd also be able to pay more writers.  It would be a win for all.

But the likelihood of that happening is small, because individuals can enrich themselves more through their own efforts or through a corporation.

But I wrote the likelihood is not, but not non existent.  First, I would not lump Bernice and Omar in the same category as Michael.  @CDBurns check out something Bernice did that you would DEFINITELY appreciate: If you visit Bernice's website, you will see that she is using AALBC.com affiliate codes for her Amazon links!  

If you go to Omar's site you see he has a list of Black owned bookstores. He continues to support Black owned business on his website long after other authors have stopped doing this. 

In stark contrast, if you visit Dyson's website he does not link to another Black site (bookseller, reviewer, articles), or even mention one. But his own platform is weak given his resources; he latest book is not even mentioned. Image if Dyson directed readers to a Black bookseller, image if he linked to a Black book reviewers sites (I've published reviews of his work).  Of course I could go on and on about prominent Black folks who make no effort to support their own, but I'm sure it is just a matter of ignorance rather than a lack of desire, so i try to help these folks understand why it matters.

Now if you visit my Michael Eric Dyson Page, you'll find it is actually more complete than his own website, and I'm just getting started.  If someone supported my work to the extent that I support Michael's, there would usually be some form of reciprocation, acknowledgement, or gratitude. But this is nothing to complain about, for it is not unusual.  While I'm not motivated by Michael's reciprocation, I know it would help.  One day this type of thing may change.

For now I get by with the support I do get; for therein lies the hope, not ust for AALBC.com but for all of us.

 

 

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The Bible says Noah cursed his son Ham who laughed at him when he saw him naked, by "marking" him.  White Supremists interpreted this as meaning that black skin was the mark of Noah.  The Black Muslims said white skin was the mark of Noah. The Bible is full of "garbage" just waiting to be interpreted by those with ulterior motives.

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I read your page on Dyson and what you've written about his website and online profile vs that of Bernice and Omar is very telling. It is also why anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. I've often said he is an opportunistic academic who rides the coattails of the next hot topic. You are exactly right on every point though.

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That's not even a good try, sara.  For somebody who calls herself a writer, you stink.  Nothing you say  makes sense, and what would you do without your talent for lying.  LMAO.

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Something you epitomize; it's the joke of your existence, that you don't realize this,  LMAO.

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sara, the sincere, stupid, ignoramous just proved my point.  Guess she doesn't realize she already posted the definition of herself.  Nothing like "a fool who knows not that she is a fool", another perfect description of sara.   LMAO. 

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18 minutes ago, Cynique said:

sara, the sincere, stupid, ignoramous just proved my point.  Guess she doesn't realize she already posted the definition of herself.  Nothing like "a fool who knows not that she is a fool", another perfect description of sara.   LMAO. 

 

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It's all about interpretation, Dummy.  No where in the bible does it say that women should not be licking each other's vaginas , but what you and your girlfriend do is considered an abomination by people who interpret the bible any way they choose.  Chew on that and don't hurt her labia or she might not do your anus for you.

And listen to the hypocritical sara, "lover of black people" talk about Blacks who don't conform to her phony standards.  You are really a piece of work. A fool who knows not that she is a fool.  SMH

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Guess ol lying, desperate, silly-assed sara is in her cups again which of course means one of her multiple personalities has emerged.  This is triggered by her inflated ego reacting to my disregard for her being anything other than a mentally disturbed psycho.  (Is that redundant, or what?)   

Poor fool.  She tried so hard to be sane, but has apparently gotten off her meds and is at again. One look at her spamming was enough to keep me from actually reading what it is she posted by I'm sure everybody will find it entertaining.  YAWN. 

 What a nut case. I thought this loose cannon might've had a life, but I guess she doesn't. Poor ol wanna-be.  LOL

 

  

 

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Sara ((if you feel like coming back to this thread...lol))


The bible was written before 638 A.D.

So was Homer's "The Odyssey"...what's your point?
 


At any rate, it is well that you don't believe in that "Noah cursing Ham" garbage because nowhere in the bible does it says Noah cursed his son, Ham


I know it actually says it was his grandson Canaan.
But regardless, it's still garbage.
I peronally believe the story was made up during the Jewish exile in Babylon to justify their taking the land of Canaan from the people who were already living there.
How can anyone who gets drunk stand on the moral highground to curse someone else....and that curse be honored?

 

Come on Sara..........

Now why would you sit up there and talk about that woman's titties like that?
You KNOW there is no such thing as titties turning "leathery".....lol.


That's right!
I still can't believe you'd say such a thing about another woman's titties.
You have titties of your own....Sara....you should have more empathy, lol.


 

it has waaaaay more free time than even the average octogenarian!

The average octogenarian doesn't know how to post on the internet!

I'm under 50 and still don't know how to use Instagram.
And don't WANT to....lol.


 

 



Cynique

 

The Black Muslims said white skin was the mark of Noah.


I've studied the Nation of Islam teachings and never came across that one, however there are some  scholars who believe the mythological "Mark of Cain" was White skin.
Many also believe that the "leprosy" of the Bible was a curse of White skin or what we now call "vitiligo" today.


But I personally don't believe that entire races or ethnic groups are cursed from the actions of one ancestor.

The closest thing to a "generational curse" would be a genetic defect, which is usually through no fault of the ancestor but probably came about through some form of incest.

People need to understand that in Western Civilization, White supremacy is the OBJECTIVE.  Religion, laws, science, and other institutions are just METHODS used to achieve the objective.

In the past when people were more religious,  White Supremists used religion and religious books to justify their mistreatment of people of color by claiming they were descendants of a "cursed Cain" or a "Cursed Canaan".
But now, since much if not most of their religions have turned out to be based on falsehood and stolen mythology....they've turned to "science".
So now White Supremists use "science" to justify their racist behavior by claiming Black people are either intellectually inferior or less evolved.

It's all garbage not based on actual facts, but cherry picked bits and pieces of pseudo-science and mythology patched together to justify the mistreatment of people.

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Sara

I said desert Caucasians because they came down from the Caucasus mountains and migrated to the desert areas of Iraq and Syria and became what was known as the Hyksos, Hitities, Hebrews, Assyrians, and other groups......

 

Uh, (snicker) NEXT time so there can be no, er, uh, misunderstanding give the correct answer rather than the incorrect one that makes you have to "backtrack." Wheee!!!!!


Well, "Wheeeeeeee" my ass...lol

I'm not the one who said "Ham" had the curse in the first place.
I was responding to the original statement Cynique made...word for word.



 

But of course you didn't "look it up." It's just 'coincidental' that you and Wiki came to the same conclusion.... INDEPENDENTLY!

I gues so.
We both tend to come to our conclusions based on FACTS and solid research.

I had known for years from reading other sources that the "myth" of Canaan being cursed was made up by Jewish Rabbis to justity them their taking of the land BEFORE wikipedia even existed.


The Aryans came up with the same excuse to demonize the Dravidians to justify taking the Indus Valley region from them...calling them evil and animalistic. ou won't find THAT in Wikipedia.



Your momma has titties. Would she extend her titties sympathy to Cynique?

I suppose any woman with titties would...lol.
If I had a pair of titties myself, I wouldn't want to even THINK about them eventually become leathery.


 

What the....??? So NOW it comes out - YOU'RE Cynique's alter ego! Oh, for shame. SMDH

If you think I'm Cynique's  "alter-ego"....you've been shaking your head TOO damn much...lol.

Stop that.

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Sara

 

Negro, please!

You don't have to beg.

Just start being nicer to me and I MIGHT....lol.

 

Oh! Just in case I decide to tell in what war black men kicked the U.S. Army's butt, killing at least 20 white soldiers for every black one (in some cases, darn near 100 whites killed for every brutha biting the dust! lol)... in case I decide to SHARE knowledge of that war, tell us - what war am I talking about? Uh, and if you don't answer, please don't come up with "I knew that!" .... should/when I decide to 'share

I hope you're not talking about Somalia back in the 90s.
That wasn't an official war, and a lot more Somalis died in the conflict than Americans.
They were just so relentless that Clinton decided to pull out early ((he made the same mistake with Monica...lol)).

If you're NOT talking about Somalia, then please share you knowledge with me and the viewers.


Anyway, I just came across this question on my way out the door so whether you tell me I'm right or wrong don't expect a response from me until later.

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We'll I'll admit I'm unaware of a war (formally declared or otherwise), fought on U.S. soil, in which darn near 100 white U.S. military men were killed for every one Black man.  But I'm a product of the America's public education system.

I did not cheat and try to look it up.  (I'm not even sure how I would craft that search). But if you do share the information I'll make it an Black history month update.

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OK so I presume it was a battle during the Civil war, but I await your response.  It it was a battle during the civil war, I'm sure it has been documented (as you know, not everything can be found on Google).

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On 4/16/2016 at 9:19 PM, Pioneer1 said:


Cynique said:
The Black Muslims said white skin was the mark of Noah.

Pioneer replied.
I've studied the Nation of Islam teachings and never came across that one, however there are some  scholars who believe the mythological "Mark of Cain" was White skin.
Many also believe that the "leprosy" of the Bible was a curse of White skin or what we now call "vitiligo" today.

 

I take exception to your comment, Pioneer.  As someone who was a grown person in the late 1950s and 60's during the hey day of TV round table discussions hosted by white liberal moderators, and where people like Malcolm X and MLK and other prominent black activists and celebrities were frequent guests who,  in this informal setting, very often said things just off the top of their heads, many of which I remember because they were provocative. 

Believe it or not, the myth about Ham being marked by his father Noah has been floating around for over a century propagated by white supremicists, like the KKK. I made the mistake of assuming that this was common knowledge.  Malcolm X was who I remember turning the tables on white supremicists who claimed black skin was the curse of Noah. He said that white skin was actually the curse of Noah.  He may have been kidding when he made this remark but I remember him saying it. 

There are a lot of things I know from being observant about the world around me and remembering noteworthy events down through the years, things that  I don't have to go to Wiki about.  This seems a foreign concept to liars who dismiss those who have lived history and who love to distort my recollections.  And even if a person does double check things by googling them, why is such research scorned by someone who calls herself a writer to whom research should be essential.  I  continue to be amused by sara who so obviously doesn't have a broad scope of knowledge about a lot of different subjects.  Just somebody who wants to play "gotcha" about obscure black history but didn't even know that the freedom rides and sit-in demonstrations happened during the 1960s, showing her ignorance when she pompously informed me that I stood on the shoulders of these demonstrators when, in fact,  I started dooing my protest thing back in the 1950s. This is the same yammering wanna-be who was even less informed about how in the 1920s Jews dominated the movie industry and regularly anglicized their names.  She's too busy dispensing  the tired old legend  about  Napoleon shooting off the Sphinx's nose because it was flat.  SMH.  LOL

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Cynique

If you noticed, I didn't say they DIDN'T teach it...I said I never came across it.

When Elijah Muhammad's brother John was still alive he used to teach and I would go to hear him speak from time to time and heard things from HIM that I NEVER heard or read from Nation of Islam literature or Elijah Muhammad's speeches.

Nor am I questioning what you may have heard from Malcolm.
I know for a fact that we often witness things with our own eyes and ears that doesn't make it on the "official" records of history.
Growing up in Detroit you could watch a crime or accident go down in the street and if it was big enough to make news you run to the television later on that night to see it and the reporters end up telling it NOTHING like what you saw yourself.  Half of the description is wrong and it seems that some news reports even feature people in the story that you've never even SEEN in the years you've been living in that neighborhood.
You turn on the 11 pm news and you see some fool running his mouth with a showercap on and tattoos but you were out there on the same block all day since the incident occurred and NEVER saw him..lol.

My only point was that I studied the Nation's teachings heavy when I was younger so I know that in most of their official literature they teach that White skin came about through a sort of selective breeding...not a curse, regardless as to any casual statements made by some of it's members.


As far as racists claiming Noah cursed his son Ham Black, the fact that they claim it is true.....but the object of the curse is Biblically not true which just exposes more of their ignorance.
I've also read the Bible from cover to cover and most curses in the Old Testament involve turning the skin WHITE...not Black.

For examples:

Exodus 4: 6
"
Again, the LORD said to him, "Put your hand inside your cloak." And he put his hand inside his cloak, and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous like snow."


2 Kings 5:27
"Because you have done this, you and your descendants will suffer from Naaman's leprosy forever." When Gehazi left the room, he was covered with leprosy; his skin was white as snow."

In most cases the "leprosy" of the Old Testament spoken of as a curse actually turned the skin White and not Black.  
If more Christians would actually read the book they claimed to believe in instead of letting preachers tell them what was in it, most would know better than to believe Blackness was a curse.

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SMH.  For somebody who professes to be sane and intelligent, you are an incredibly childish and mentally unbalanced ditz. You hide behind your anonymity but your transparency will not be denied and it doesn't take long for your real self  to transcend your cyber persona.  You  are an ugly, maladjusted, shallow liar. You have no class, no character, have a repulsive personality, are an educated fool and you have found a soul mate in ol sorry-assed wanna-be Carey who skulked off to start his own blog which tanked. LMAO.

 Frantically researching old posts,  looking for dirt about me and cherry picking as usual, says more about you than it does me. How many orgasms did you experience when you found what you were looking for?  Who is begging for attention and approval and seeking it at my expense any more than you?  Why does it make a difference to you whether people like me or not?  No matter how bad I come across, it does not elevate you. Your hysterical whining about not being treated fair really reveals your lack of insight about your true self. You think, everything you say is permissible but when you get it thrown back in your face, you go ballistic because you can't deal with the fact that someone isn't impressed with your shallow phoniness.  That's the difference between you and me.  I never professed to be Mary Sunshine; I've said this numerous times. Why do you think I adopted my screen name?  But ol saran wrap clings to the idea that she is admirable and above reproach. tsk-tsk  Pity poor old strapped up sara, the homo ho, a psychotic schizo who is obviously eaten up with hate for old women, as evidenced by how she goes into great detail to recreate memories from her sordid past. tsk-tsk.  

Obviously this board is not big enough for the both of us.  And this feud with you has provided me with the excuse I've been looking for to retire from this forlorn forum. Maybe things will pick up if Troy renames it "Sara's Sink Hole", - undoubtedly your 16-year-old girlfriend's nickname for her favorite part of your anatomy.  :lol:

See ya, but I wouldn't wanna be ya! :P

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OK I see you are referring to the Seminole Wars. No they never covered that in history class I learned about it later in life, but never dug deep into the details.  Worthy of a Ken Burn documentary.  That guy andrew jackson was something else huh?

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OK start a new conversation when you are ready to share...  

No I was not walking about like Washington as this character.  While he won an academy award for this role, there is nothing about any of I would emulate.

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I saw your post @Sara and I don't understand why you rejected my response, when we were obviously referring to the same war (perhaps because you referred to one of them).

I'm not sure why you think the Seminole Wars are so widely known, but it is not worth debating the point.

Denzel wore a cross in Training Day.

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Celes

quickly married anything pale white and relied upon White Supremacy to claim the confused offsprings were "black" (the idea that one drop of black makes you black lie comes from - The Doctrine of White Supremacy), embraced white liberal attitudes that "men were no longer necessary in the family" and that women, through feminism, could raise children alone, that Black Americans should be more concerned about social issues at large and less concerned about Black America's issues, and implied that Black America's economic situation would improve if we only embraced white liberal democrats and bashed white conservative republicans (in which studies show that white liberal democrats are equally as racist in employing African-Americans, particularly Black American men! Not only that, white liberal democrats are also notorious for attempting to control the thinking of Black Americans in the white liberal racist democrat stating "You are Black" should a Black American disagree theologically with gay marriage, abortion or any other white racist liberal movement). The older Black generation also informed us that anyone with a drop of black must be dumped on the Black community and be an issue for Black America to embrace all rejects by different cultures, which instantly made Black America's respectability further decrease substantially in the world, as no culture has or will ever respect any culture that has an open-door policy to all, particularly rejects or trash (which is why cultures, countries, organizations and institutions tend to more highly respected when these entities exercise exclusivity.

 

Those were very insightful comments concerning the confusion so many AfroAmericans have about race.
I've been saying for quite some time now that the "one drop" rule is not only inaccurate, but is down right insulting and demeaning to the Black race by forcing every rejected one into our ranks while keeping thier own ranks "pure".

Infact, I touched on it not too long ago in these threads:

http://aalbc.com/tc/topic/3667-race-ethnicity-nationality/

http://aalbc.com/tc/topic/3642-the-myth-of-race-and-the-evolution-of-skin-color/


This is why I use the term "AfroAmerican" for our particular ethnic group in the United State regardless of phenotype. But I'll use the term "Black" specifically for those AfroAmericans with a preponderance of African ancestry that clearly manifests in their physical characteristics.

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"Today I can barely understand WHAT the hell most of those younger cats from Mississippi and Georgia are saying they are mumbling and dragging and half pronouncing so much of thier vocabulary. White kids born and raised in the same district don't even sound like them. Some of these young negroes sound like slaves who just stepped off a plantation."

Interesting you should say this. A friend and I were having a discussion about this very subject two days ago. I have noticed that Negroes from the South are the worst offenders of staggering poor English. Yes, I understand how a history and legacy of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow was the perfect formula for this tragedy. I got that. But at some point, you would have to know that your ability to articulate and enunciate words properly is compromised. It's not as if these people are isolated to the point where they only hear themselves and have nothing to compare their usage to (the rest of the world). I have seen these Negroes on television say things that left me paralyzed with disbelief. In fact, at one point, it was so bad -I had written a number of instances down (don't have them front of me at this moment). 

Unfortunately, in America, there is a linguistical divide based on race. There is so-called black English and then there is rest of the American populace. Yes, there are various southern, midwestern and east coast accents. But there is a very definitive and highly recognizable verbalization difference between most Negroes and the rest of the populace. And for the record -there is no such thing as speaking white! This is nonsense. It is Negroes and their different levels of Ebonics and standard North American English that is spoken by the rest of the nation. Yes, I know such talk offends many Negroes but it does not change the naked and harsh reality of the American Negro dialect and the rest of the English-speaking population....

"Again, other than thinking you sound dope, where is your proof for the above? Except for 'abandoning' the slums and ghettoes to move into middleclass (white) neighborhoods, you're blowing smoke.

BIG time!"

THANK YOU! The commentary you are referring to is so convoluted and ridiculous I had to read it twice! There was not one shred of fact or evidence that was even remotely connected to reality!

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Xeon


To be fair, having lived on the West Coast the Latinos there have their own type of speech that mixes the corrupted Spanish of Mexico along with the corrupt English of America. And like you said many older Whites in the North East from Boston down into Pennsylvania still have that strong Eastcoast dialect though it doesn't seem to be as pronounced in the younger generation of Whites.
I've met White people who claimed they were born and raised in Brooklyn who didn't have the slightest "Brooklynese" dialect.

But as you've pointed out,  that southern drawl of Black youth from the South (and Chicago for some reason) seem to stand out from the rest.

I wouldn't even call it Ebonics.
Ebonics I believe has a scientific explaination to it involving the West African syntax that seems to be genetically inherited.



I attribute the vast majority of Black southern youth's desecration of human speech directly to the rap music so many have been listening to the past 15 or so years.

I remember back in the early 90s you had southern rappers like Arrested Development and TLC who didn't sound ANYTHING like these slaves dominating the airwaves today.
You couldn't tell them from Black youth who came from Detroit or Los Angeles.

But then OutKast and Nelly (who's not even from the South) came out pushing that deep southern drawl in thier music and then New Orleans rappers and it's been downhill since.
It seems that life started imitating art as Black youth from the South began to purposely drag and slur their words just to create a distinct sound they could call their own.
But if only they knew how sloppy and uncivilized it sounds.

Instead of saying, "Over there"....they started saying "Oba durrr".
Straight up retarded.

One of the most embarassing moments not just for hiphop but for the Black American community in my opinion was when Three Six Mafia came on stage to accept an award back in '06 and people could barely understand what the hell they were saying:

 

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