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When patriotism degenerates into racism.

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Question:
What's stopping Black people from being patriotic?

Answer:
It's the victim mentality that so many of our people have been ingrained with that's preventing them from seeing themselves as even EQUAL to White people.....let alone just as American as them.

I've said it over and over again, despite the problems and injustices Black people face in this nation....one of the biggest problems is that Black people aren't using the opportunities and rights and priveledges that we ALREADY HAVE to improve our condition and acquire more power.

When Black people are mayors, police officers, (even Presidents)....they often times BEND OVER BACKWARDS to be fair to White people and not use their power and authority to make life better specifically for other Black people.
Black people become Governors and Sheriffs and don't do mass releases of Black people from the jails and prisons.

You have plenty of Black police officers....why haven't they confronted their fellow racist partners?

Black politicians get in office and don't re-write the voting laws to allow Blacks who are denied for some felonious violation to vote again.

There are plenty of Black people in power in Florida....how many Black officials in that state LAUNCHED an investigation in voter fraud and suppression for the 2000 Presidential election?

Thousands of Black votes tossed away.....and Black officials did little to nothing about it despite HAVING THE POWER TO TAKE ACTION.

Look at Republicans.
AS SOON as they take office they go to work to repeal laws they don't like and push their own agendas.....shamelessly.
Negroes get in office and get so quiet you can hear a rat pissing in cotton.
Just so glad to be there, better not dare take any meaningful action.

What good is being an American and having the rights of Americans if you aren't going to exercise them?

The biggest problem Black America faces isn't White facism or racism but BLACK STUPIDITY.

 

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"Black stupidity" aided and abetted by the white privilege that saturates this racist country.  But keep clinging to your red, white, and blue security blanket as you croon that Star Spangled lullaby and drift off into dreamland...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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POWER!

 

"It's wrong to do it in the streets,

It's wrong to do it in a tweet,

You cannot do it on the field ..

You cannot do it if you've kneeled.

And don't do it if you're rich,

You ungrateful sonofabitch.

Because there's one things that's a fact.  

You cannot protest if you're black"
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The system isn't broken. Is police shooting the new lynching?

 

Black people were suppose to die. Why do citizens need to fight for civil rights. Because Black Americans  are not seen as human. Animal cruelty elicits more concern than police execution sanctioned by the judicial branch and a percentage of citizenry. 

We have a south African schooling us about race. And he is heart broken. Wow.

I think Black Americans can't be seen as humans or even as equals. 

 

Racism in America doesn't appear to be a conversation black and white America can have rationally. 

White people need to talk to each other. 

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After reading the information Mel showed in another thread, I'm seeing this Colin Kaepernick so-called "protest" in an entirely new light.

It seems as if he was heavily influenced by a White football player who gave him bad advice....probably on purpose.
 


Del

White people need to talk to each other


That's the problem, White people ARE talking to eachother.

And they're talking about YOU....lol.

You're right, the system isn't broken but it's working EXACTLY how it was designed to work.
The system is called White Supremacy and it's designed to keep Whites in charge.

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I'm sure Colin or his advisor were in someway influenced by the practice of Martin Luther King and his cronies regularly  bending a knee in protest against discrimination back in the 1950s

 

 

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Those were ministers who were taking a knee in a form of PRAYER.

Look how their heads were bowed and their eyes were closed.


This is different that what Colin and many of the other players are doing.

According to the information we now know....a White football player  (Nate Boyer) who was in the military and most likely conservative was the one to influence Colin!

He was the one who convinced Colin to take a knee before the flag the same way people do to show honor to it during funerals for fallen miliary personel !

First he starts off sitting for the anthem as a form a protesting, but then he ends up KNEELING before the flag with his hand over his heart.....go try and figure THAT one out, lol.

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No Nate, did not mention Dr. King as his inspiration for advising Colin.  

 

I seriously doubt Nate knew very much about King's efforts.  

 

Pioneer is right, kneeling is the manner in which southern baptists pray.  This is the way I was taught.  

 

@Cynique, I wonder, are there any other activists (other than Colin) that you support?  

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The picture of MLK kneeling was posted on FaceBook by his daughter, so she thought it was timely. Considering what his mission was, when King bent a knee, he was demonstrating against racial injustice among other things.  He is leading a protest march in the picture, where his lieutenant, Ralph Abernathy, is also shown.  You guys  look for any excuse to discredit Kaepernick.  

 

i support "Chance the Rapper", a Chicago guy who is doing a lot good for the community, donating a million dollars to the city depleted school funding, and calling out both Chicago's mayor and Illinois' governor for their foot dragging. People have even been touting him for mayor but he says he's not interest in running for office because he has enough sense and humility to declare that he's a musician, not a politician. "Common", another Chicago Rapper, is doing good things too, giving back to the community.   i don't know of any other individual who is publicly  protesting racism.  Which shows what the power of using a public venue at your disposal to call wide spread attention to black grievances.  i keep telling you this is one strategy in a movement.  i think BLM has good intentions but i'm not familiar with any of their leaders.

 

What black leaders do you support, Troy and Pioneer?

 

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Stew in your juices, fellas.  :D

 

 

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Most of the activists I support you would know know Cynique; they are not trending on social media.  I'm not trying to be sarcastic.  I'm saying these Brother and Sisters are not going to garner media attentions because they are serious about helping Black folk.  They do substantive work and are not profitable to corporations that thrive in the dysfunctional ravings of 45.

 

Many of them are in the vein of these Brothers, they are one of the main reasons I started AALBC.com; to make their knowledge more widely known and accessible.  

 

I know you have heard of Haki Madhubuti, his publishing company, Third World Press, is based in Chicago and just this past weekend celebrated 50 years!  Haki has done some important things and was doing important things when Colins parents where children.  He has published many important books.

 

I could really go on and on Cynique...

 

The fact of the matter is the media is making much more of this kid's  (Colins) actions than is warranted.  He has not built anything and he serves at the largess of his owners and has already been dismissed. By contrast, Haki has built an institution.  But as we give all our attention to the Colins and ignore the Hakis of the world.  These important institutions including his will disappear.

 

This is not to say Colin is a waste. No quite the contrary, he has tons of potential, but he is not there today; only time will tell.

 

 

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@TroyFor the umpteenth time,  there is room for all types of protest in the movement!  Why does Kaepernick's bringing attention to racism stick in your craw?  i don't have a problem with these unheard of leaders you prefer, those who choose a different way to "get things done", so why do you begrudge Kaepernick any success he evokes?   Nobody is even asking you to support him or agree with his methods because your disapproval doesn't make any difference. 

 

i am not alone in supporting what Kaepernick's  method of agitation has produced. Its ripple effect has inspired people to step up their own activism projects. But, continue to waste your energy, ruminating about his boat rockin.  

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Again  @Cynique you are so fixated on Colin that you can't see my issue is not about him personally.  I explained this over and over again, most recently here.

 

I see the activists you like Cynique are all entertainers. That is no surprise, as that is driven by the way our media works. 

 

It is one of the reasons 45 is president and why Chance the Rapper is being called on to run the City of Chicago.  Sounds like Chance has his head on his shoulders and recognizes someone trained in policy, management, law, community organizing, would be better suited for political office rather than a rapper--even if the city's constituents don't understand this.

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@TroyAnd you are so fixated on my being fixated on Colin that you can't process that it's not about the messenger,  it's about the message because  I AM DISGUSTED WITH WITH AMERICA AND THE FLAG AND ANTHEM THAT ARE A CROCK OF BS.  Whoever puts that message out gets my support.  Get it yet?? 

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@Cynique, Got it.  

 

Minister Farrakhan has exposed the evils of American far longer and much more forcefully the Colin has, or likely ever will.  Using your reasoning I think you be a strong support of Farrakhan, but you are not. Why?

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Because i didn't like Farrakhan's misogynistic religion or how he lived like a king at the expense of his sheeple. in public he never did anything but rant about jews and preach ad infinitum about the Koran. When he told Steve(?) Wallace off on the TV clip you posted, I agreed with him.   I prefer Kaepernick's dramatic form of protest.  

 

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OK @Cynique

 

While I have no interest in joining the NOI, or adopting their chaste lifestyle, I'd take a Farakhan over a Kaepernick any day of the week.  

 

Many, perhaps most, of Farrakhan supporters are not in the Nation.  Indeed many in hip hop drew inspiration from him, including myself.  He spoke with the force of a contemporary Malcolm, a Malcolm I was too young to witness.  Farrakhan, like Malcolm before him, drew criticism from white folks and scared a lot of Black folks too.  Malcolm like Farrakhan had a platform they helped lead and did not need the support of the media.  Colin does not exist without the media.

 

Malcolm, like Farrakhan, was chosen by Black folks.  He was not propped up for us by corporations as our acceptable symbol of protest the way Colin had been. 

 

You mis-characterize Farrakhan by saying he never did anything but rant about Jews and do a disservice to the people of the Nation of Islam calling them "Sheeple."

 

But again, I understand why you'd say these things, because that is what the white corporation would have you believe.  Cynique you have to understand the power of the media. You don't give them enough credit because you feel you are not impacted, but indeed you are--we all are to a certain extent.  

 

Farrakhan only rails against the Jews who do us harm.  He speaks highly of Jews he admires. He is a minister so of course he is going to proselytize--that is his job, but no different that a TD Jakes  who whitefolks find more acceptable because his is a Christian and does not speak about America's evils... though Jakes is much better at separating Black folks from their money.

 

Yes, Farrakhan's excoriation of CBS's MIke Wallace on 60 minutes was priceless. I seriously doubt Colin is capable of such a thing. I prefer what What Farrakhan said to MIke, clearly exposing America's evil and duplicity for all to see.  Kneeling is open to interpretation, says nothing clear, does nothing concrete, and was easily shut down.

 

It took a lot more effort, and violence, to weaken the NOI, to destroy Malcolm and Dr. King.

 

Colin was just fired.

 

 

 

 

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@TroyI am not an important person who wields a lot of influence and what i say or think reaches very few people and has very little effect.  So what difference does it make to you that i gravitate toward Colin Kaepernick instead of Louis Farrakhan who you aggrandize and continue to jam down my throat in spite of the fact that, unlike Kaepernick, this adversary of Malcolm X never sacrificed his job or his wealth to get his message across. A someone who i relate to very little. 

 

Being an arm chair supporter of Kaepernick is a personal choice i have made in the year 2017,  something which i really don't have to justify or apologize for.  So, you'll just have to somehow find a way to accept that i, and i alone, decide whose cause i support, and stop obsessing about my decision.  Of course you will say that i typify those who gravitate toward Kaepernick and that we are all wrong and misguided, and that  your aversion to the media and a guy you think is innocuous, qualifies you to be the person we should be listening to.  This in spite of how little you know about what Kaepernick is currently and quietly doing with his money, something the media doesn't report, but which I am told appears on a web site,  information i heard Ta-nehisi Coates dispense in an interview. 

 

History may very well be the judge of which one of these men  had the most impact on the civil rights climate in this entire country rather than a small cult within a black minority in white America.  

 

 

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Cynique I understand that you, like myself, are simply individuals who wield little influence. 

 

Again my concern is not about you or I, but our culture. Whether it is Cardi B becoming the most significant rap artist of the day, Colin Kaepernick being the most visible activist today, or a great Black writers who remains obscure unless they are given the white co-sign.

 

I tried really hard to explain why my point is not about you or I individually, but about us collectively.  The only reason I speak about you specifically is because you bring up things that are specific to you, so I address those things and maybe that gives the impression that I'm making this about you--again that is not my intent.

 

You like to state that Black people are not a monolith.  Of course we are not, that goes without saying, we are all individuals and are all unique. I'd don't want anyone to adhere to my standard of behavior any more than I would want to adhere to theirs. So while I think the NOI is more significant that Colin.  I would not want the NOI to run the entire country.

 

However we as Black people must reclaim our agency.  We can not continue to allow corporations who are run largely by white men motivated by profit, to set our agenda--to even determine something as mundane which Black owned websites survive.

 

Individually, we have no power to change anything but together we do.  These are the efforts that I personally engage in and support.

 

I would not be surprised that Colin is engaged in more substantive activity.  As I previously discussed substantive activity by Black folks is not something the media like to cover.

 

Beyond kneeling, what activity did Coates say that Colin is engaged in?  I did read somewhere that Colin has pledged to donate $100,000 to 10 charities over the next 10 years. As you said we'll see Colin's impact over time.  I, for one, hopes it becomes significant.

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1 hour ago, Troy said:

Beyond kneeling, what activity did Coates say that Colin is engaged in?  I did read somewhere that Colin has pledged to donate $100,000 to 10 charities over the next 10 years.


@TroyThat would be a 1 MILLION DOLLARS over 10 months.. $100-THOUSAND PER MONTH 

 

http://kaepernick7.com/million-dollar-pledge/ 

 

“I will donate one million dollars plus all the proceeds of my jersey sales from the 2016 season to organizations working in oppressed communities, 100k a month for 10 months.”  Colin Kaepernick

 

And in my 50 something years ... I've never heard white america squeal like a stuck pig over anything Farrakhan has said or done...Even during the million man march - remember the joke that NPS counted black men as 3/5  - and returned a count of 400-thousand in attendance..

 

Farrakhan doesn't enter into white america's sanctuary.  He's smart enough to stay in his playground.  He's not a threat to white America's psyche. 

Beyonce was enemy no 1 , though, when she performed "formation" during the 2016 super bowl.  THE SUPER BOWL 50.  Like a Trojan Horse, she  and her black panthers styled-warriors marched out on their field and she resurrected Malcolm X and gave corporate America the finger.   

 

White folks screamed bloody murder and cops threatened to not provide security for her concerts. Butthurt. 

 

 Today, 45 and white America are butthurt because Kaepernick took a knee 7 months after Bey danced into formation .   For a protest to be effective you got to surprise them on their own battlefield... 

 

https://youtu.be/SDPITj1wlkg

 

 

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My bad @Mel Hopkins 10 months.

 

@Del you live in a community with others.  Here is the US we have 45 to show for a population of misled, and riled up by fake news and misinformation.  Was that a rhetorical question.

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That must have been torture for your kids :-)  I doubt I'd get rid of my TV, but I definitely don't watch a lot of the shows people rave over...

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i fail to see why some people hold TV in such low regard.  To me, it is a window to the world  - if you have premium cable.  All you have to do is be a discriminating viewer.  There all kinds of interesting educational and entertaining programs to watch on the History, Science, Discovery, National GEO, channels, plus travelogues, documentaries, a whole catalog of classic movies, comedy specials.  There are also the music channels where you can hear any type of music you like and of course PBS. Then there are the late night talk shows and their celebrity guests who you get to observe and  "hate on".  

 

For somebody like me, a great evening  is to relax on my recliner, nibble on some snacks and sip from  refreshing beverages and watch TV.  Television is my companion and my "remote" is my enabler.  When i get tired of that, going "on line" is my other option where i can interact on FaceBook and AALBC and play Bridge with live partners, and Solitaire by myself.   

 

 My venturing out into the real world is limited to my daily walks up and down my neighborhood, something i equally enjoy. if i didn't have these diversions, i would have nothing else to do but read books and work crossword puzzles, because i'm not interested in doing anything else...  I've been a  reader all my life, but a book has to be awfully compelling to command my attention these days and would preferably  be biographical or  non fiction.

 

Senior citizen activities don't really appeal to me as an alternative to my "sedentary" llfestyle.   My peers and i don't seem to have a lot of common interests.  Wonder why? Oh well.  Whatever.  :mellow:

 

 

 

   

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11 hours ago, Cynique said:

i fail to see why some people hold TV in such low regard.

 

@Cynique ,I think it's because they haven't been taught to interpret the symbols.  Television programming isn’t bad - but what I've learned when reading reviews is people watch on the surface and miss the meaning.  For example, "the blacklist” is about resources and networking - how even your worse enemy can be a great resource depending on your goals and needs...   

Through television programs it is easy to learn how to navigate corporate politics ... I used a phrase with my daughter, in fact both, her dad and I use the phrase” Did she "good wife" you" when she tells us about the corporate shenanigans ... "The Good Wife" phrase in this context, as you've probably gathered, is someone in the office threw her under the bus soon after they decided how they were going to handle a challenge (a contract in her case).

By the way, you may be an octogenarian but I wonder if you, like I, have had always had a hard time finding those who share your interests?   I find very few people are interested in observing humans, their skills, talents and behaviors... Sometimes, I feel like a homosapientologist ...and I don't think there are many of us. 
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Actually there is SO much more quality programming on TV today it would be hard to dispense with the tool.  

 

You can watch lectures from all over the planet given by brilliant people.  Believe it or not I had no concept of the quantum world until I discovered it on YouTube about 10 years ago.  I was simply never exposed to it. I learned about this fascinating world watching streaming videos.

 

@Delano, you recently mentioned Richard Feynman. I discovered him several years ago watching youtube videos on my TV.  How did you discover him?  Have you never watched his YouTube videos?  If you have, you are basically using whatever device you watched that video on as a TV.  You should rethink what a TV is.

 

Like anything a TV is what you make of it, but as technology advances and corporations become more powerful, the ability of our "TV" to manipulate us will become greater (more harmful) and our ability to thwart this effort will become more difficult.

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I read books. And i used to read the New York Press free weekly. Which is how i found a few writers. Like David Foster Wallace and Amanda Filipaci. Which lead to anthology. So if i like the writer I read their entire canon : David Foster Wallace, Jonathan Franzen, Kurt Vonnegut, Ishmael Reed , Roger Zelaney.

Then there are subjects that pique my interest : Mathematicians, Jungian psychology, astrology, tarot numerology, social dynamics. , erotica. , sci fi and Mythology. 

 

And Biographies/Autobiographies  Miles Davis , Prince, Isaac Newton. , Albert Einstein. 

 

There's one writer i found from TV. Jamake Highwater. He was an American Indian writer that wrote about American Indian mysticism in the 90s.

I found out that he was a fraud. He was a Jewish and he got lots if grants ti lecture about indian affairs. 

16 hours ago, Cynique said:

i fail to see why some people hold TV in such low regard.  To me, it is a window to the world  - if you have premium cable.  All you have to do is be a discriminating viewer.  There all kinds of interesting educational and entertaining programs to watch on the History, Science, Discovery, National GEO, channels, plus travelogues, documentaries, a whole catalog of classic movies, comedy specials.  There are also the music channels where you can hear any type of music you like and of course PBS. Then there are the late night talk shows and their celebrity guests who you get to observe and  "hate on".  

 

For somebody like me, a great evening  is to relax on my recliner, nibble on some snacks and sip from  refreshing beverages and watch TV.  Television is my companion and my "remote" is my enabler.  When i get tired of that, going "on line" is my other option where i can interact on FaceBook and AALBC and play Bridge with live partners, and Solitaire by myself.   

 

 When i was younger I went clubbing. Went to  musical gigs. , performance art, art and read one to two books a month and did some travelling. I thought life was.more interesting than TV. 

Now its more dinner guest once or twice a month. Facebook and Aalbc.

 

There have been shows i have checked out. Mostly HBO and Show time. However after a few episodes it seems too predictable. 

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TV and the internet have a low signal to noise ratio. Which requires sorting wheat and chaff. Hanging out got me a cheap apartment in Manhattan, an invite to a Movie premiere and places to stay overseas, interesting stories and people. Although I  did win a thousand on TV in the 80's.

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