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Australia is Engulfed in Flames. Is This the Result of Climate Change?

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@Delano, I trust you are your's are safe. However I was wondering it the inferno raging across the country you live in has changed your opinion on climate change.

 

The reason it occurred to me is the U.S.'s coverage, of the Australian coverage, of the unprescenced fires raging across your continent.  Apparently, Rupert Murdoch's media conglomerate is doing everything in its power to push the agenda that climate change is not a factor in the fires.  This led me to believe Murdoch's influence may be -- even unconsciously -- influencing your stance on man.s influence on the climate.

 

Media also made me think about our bets in 45 presidency.  You and @Kalexander2 after losing a bet to me over 45 presidency  doubled down and bet me again thinking he would be booted from office before the end of his term.  It is virtually certainty that he will complete his term, in fact he may win a second.

 

I thought about why a situation they seemed so obvious to me could be seen so differently by you and K2.  Then it occurred to be -- neither of you live in the U.S.  Your perceptions of what is going on here is quite distorted leading you to believe things that folks here would not possibly believe.

 

In much the same way we, in the U.S., are given distorted views of other countries by our own media you are given a distorted view of the U.S.  What do you think?

 

 

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The bet was Trump would be out by Mid January. But I'll check if I said out or in the way out. Clearly you haven't been reading the news. 

 

All of Australia is not on fire. I know people who have been directly effected. Although it's has been smokey and I have seen some falling ash. The fires are about  55miles or 88 km away.

 

It's really hard to get news. A lot of people hey their news from Facebook, bit don't bother to fact check. Although there may be a growing trend to do so.

 

I trust the Guardian , the Onion and Dave Chappelle.

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25 minutes ago, Delano said:

Clearly you haven't been reading the news. 

 

Nope, because most of it is not "news." Besides I already know how the country works.

 

28 minutes ago, Delano said:

All of Australia is not on fire

 

I was exaggerating, but 15% of it has already burn up and that is indeed massive! 

 

30 minutes ago, Delano said:

A lot of people hey their news from Facebook, bit don't bother to fact check. Although there may be a growing trend to do so.

 

Yes, it is well known that a lot of folks get their news from Facebook, but there is no indication that they are fact checking in higher numbers. Even if they did, this is increasingly difficult because news sources are not always fact checking they sources are the have an agenda like Rupert Murdoch, FIX News, etc.

 

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I was unaware of these Australia fires before reading this thread. Wonder what is causing them? PG&E, the California electric company, is the direct culprit responsible for many of the fires in that state. Negligence by campers and deliberate acts by criminals cause the rest of them. I honestly can't comprehend any "natural" causes of wildfires. Fires don't just start spontaneously.

 

It's scary seeing a wildfire a mile or less from your property. I've had to evacuate twice in the last five years. It's the price you pay living in remote areas situated between desert and mountain brush.

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Ruppert Murdoch is using his media properties to push the claim that the fires are natural. Scientists say the unprecedented scale of the inferno is a direct result of climate change exacebated by man.

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15 hours ago, Delano said:

The Blue Mountains in NSW is a forest of eucalyptus trees. 

 

Eucalyptus trees are very green. It's common knowledge that the greener the plant, the harder it is to burn. Granted I'm not familiar with Australia climate and seasons. But let's say Australia has fall/autumn like the USA and the eucalyptus trees in the Blue Mountains lose their leaves and the foliage dries out and falls to the ground. Technically that would serve as fuel for fires. But spontaneous combustion requires at least 500 degree Celsius (930 degrees Fahrenheit) temperatures. Even if someone dropped a magnifying glass in those mountains and it landed perfectly so that the sun's rays could shine through it and ignite a few leaves on fire, I doubt that could cause wildfires that rage out of control.

 

Most in this forum know I'm always willing to hear a good conspiracy. But if these fires are being set deliberately by corporations or government, what are they trying to eliminate? What is the goal? @Troy do you have reason to believe Murdoch has something to gain from all this?

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@Kareem I'd assume Murdoch like the rest of the other wealthy climate change deniers do so because of financial interest; Investments in oil or other industries that are threatening their wealth.

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What percentage of  people do you know using solar power or hybrid cars or just taking public transport. It is not likely the mining and drilling is for fun, it is because demand. WE live in a consumer based society.  While we can point to capitalist and industrialist as the problem, their wealth came from consumer demand. Here is a list of the top ten on the Fortune 500. Perhaps the individual consumer isn'taware of the impact of their economic choices.

 

The Top 10

1Walmart

2Exxon Mobil

3Apple

4Berkshire Hathaway

5Amazon.com

6UnitedHealth Group

7McKesson

8CVS Health

9AT&T

10AmerisourceBergen

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