Mzuri Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 ************************************************************************************ I didn't know much about what happened there, listening to the news I got the impression that the white boy shot some people that were standing around minding their own business. I did not know the race of the people that were shot, it never really occurred to me. So I was watching the trial, in passing, and saw a video where one of the men that the boy shot was about to jump on top of the boy's head. So, YES, he acted in self-defense. This is the link to the video of him shooting all three people: GRAPHIC: Video of Kyle Rittenhouse Shooting 3 People So far, from what I have seen, the white boy acted in self-defense. And if I were on the jury, my decision would be that he is not guilty of the murders. I'm not sure about his other charges, so I have not decided on those yet. From the DAILY MAIL BLM protesters scream at Kyle Rittenhouse supporters as tensions flare on courthouse steps: Journalists hire armed guards and police try to ease 'anxiety' as jury deliberations continue BLM Protesters Scream at Kyle Rittenhouse Supporters ************************************************************************************ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 I haven't heard a reasonable explanation of why that boy was walking around with an AR-15 at a peaceful protest. He showed up and appointed himself vigilante. Self-defense is meeting a threat with similar force. Even if somebody went upside his head, there should have been fist-fight. No guns. Nobody would be dead. At least, that's how we settled our differences when I was growing up. All fists. No weapons. Don't get me started on the fake crying he did during his testimony. That boy needs to go to prison. Maybe there he'll learn how to fight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, ProfD said: Self-defense is meeting a threat with similar force. Even if somebody went upside his head, there should have been fist-fight. No guns. Nobody would be dead. No. The threat does not have to be similar force. If a mofo breaks into my house, I can shoot to kill, I am not required to wait until I see whether he is armed with a gun. You are saying you would let somebody jump on your head while you are down on the ground. And you could fight off multiple assailants with a fist fight like a kung fu movie. In an ideal world perhaps you could do that, but have you ever been chased by an angry mob? That mob saw the boy had that assault rifle, so why were they messing with him? Not too smart, were they? The boy supposedly went there to protect lives and property, since the police had retreated from the burning and looting protesters. He deserves a commendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Most states do not have laws that allow folks to shoot someone for punching them in the face or stomping on their head. Again, nobody appointed that boy to protect anything. He wasn't deputized to be law enforcement. He had no business being there with an assault rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Most states do not have laws that allow folks to shoot someone for punching them in the face or stomping on their head. Again, nobody appointed that boy to protect anything. He wasn't deputized to be law enforcement. He had no business being there with an assault rifle. Really? I did not know that. Well, here in The State of Texas, if a mofo breaks into your home while you are in it, you have the right to shoot him. Dead. You don’t have to wait and see if he is going to punch you or stomp you or rape you or anything else. I am not sure where else you can legally shoot somebody in Texas, but I am going to research that as soon as I can. Who appointed BLM to burn, loot, and cause a bunch of mayhem? And why is it alright for them to have all kinds of weapons but the white boy needs to be deputized? NEWSFLASH: Defense has filed for a mistrial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Castle doctrine (defense of habitation) allows us to use deadly force in protecting our homes. That's not applicable to this case. The police force is supposed to respond when folks riot, burn and loot. If the situation is beyond police control, the national guard is the next line of defense. There's no reason for a teenager to pack a weapon and roam the streets. That reads like someone looking for trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, ProfD said: Castle doctrine (defense of habitation) allows us to use deadly force in protecting our homes. That's not applicable to this case. The police force is supposed to respond when folks riot, burn and loot. If the situation is beyond police control, the national guard is the next line of defense. There's no reason for a teenager to pack a weapon and roam the streets. That reads like someone looking for trouble. Of course defending the home is not applicable in this case, I only brought it up because it does not matter what your opponent is armed with, in a self-defense case. Take the Zimmerman vs Trayvon case, Trayvon was not armed, but he overpowered Zimmerman and had him on the ground. Nobody thinks Trayvon should have been shot, but the jury decided in favor of Zimmerman. I don’t know what will happen in the Rittenhouse case, but he had a whole mob chasing and attacking him. He acted in self-defense. Anyway, I only started this thread because you brought this topic up in another discussion. I am curious to see the outcome of the trial and I hope there is no rioting in cities all over the world. Riots accomplish nothing other than ruining people’s lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Zimmerman also acted as a vigilante. The police told him to let that situation go but instead he decided to be judge, jury and executioner. He should be dead too. Rioting and protesting accomplishes nothing because it hasn't stopped folks from getting killed by racists and vigilantes. That's why I support everyone having the right to bear arms if that's what it takes to have a fair fight. if the protestors in Kenosha had been strapped that day, we would be having a totally different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 LATEST FROM THE DAILY MAIL: 'Do we view videos in private or in the courtroom?' Kyle Rittenhouse jury halts deliberation and asks to re-watch unspecified footage Do we view videos in private or in the courtroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-shooting-gun-b1959467.html So, this dude just gonna show up outside the courthouse armed with a rifle. Police politely ask him for ID and whether or not has a license to carry. He casually says no regarding the license. Well, in Wisconsin it's illegal to have a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. The sheriff deputies politely escort the dude back to his truck to put his firearm away. That's why I don't think police need to be defunded. They just have to look like the folks they've been sworn to serve and protect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 People should not be showing up at the courthouse with weapons. And especially not if they don't even have a license. He should have been arrested. They are saying that the longer it takes the jury to deliberate, the more likely that Rittenhouse will be convicted, so he may be going to jail after all. I hope not, but we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 With multiple charges, there's a lot for the jury to deliberate. Taking their time is a good sign that they are considering all possibilites. Still, I do not believe he will go to prison. White supremacists will further hail him a hero either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Another reason who people should not be allowed to run around, with weapons like this, in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 The verdict is in and the defendant has been found not guilty on all charges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Delano Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 I guess it is rabbit season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ProfD said: The verdict is in and the defendant has been found not guilty on all charges. I missed the announcement this morning. I'm usually glued to my television but I was busy with something else this morning. When I turned my TV on and saw the verdict, I was expecting to see riots. I hope that there won't be any riots about this. I was able to rewind to when the verdict was announced and saw the judge dismissed all charges, not sure if that dismissal supersedes the not guilty verdict. I hope that BLM will stop their jury tampering by threatening violence when verdicts don't go the way they would prefer. And I wish more people would be informed with facts and not speculation and fake news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Mzuri said: When I turned my TV on and saw the verdict, I was expecting to see riots. I hope that there won't be any riots about this. I hope that BLM will stop their jury tampering by threatening violence when verdicts don't go the way they would prefer. And I wish more people would be informed with facts and not speculation and fake news. The outcome of this particular case wouldn't have led to riots because the victims were white. BLM had nothing to do with the jury and/or any real interest in this case no more or less than the rest of us. It's easier for many people to rely on speculation and fake news than it is to research and fact check credible sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 It is interesting to realize how many people did not know the victims were white. I always assume the victims are white unless otherwise stated. In fact I assume everything in this country is white, unless otherwise stated I heard there was a protest, after the verdict, in Brooklyn, NY and maybe a couple of other cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, Troy said: It is interesting to realize how many people did not know the victims were white. It is rabbit season. not duck season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 https://www.foxnews.com/media/donald-trump-meets-kyle-rittenhouse-prosecutorial-misconduct-kenosha-trial It appears the hero treatment is just getting started. Meeting with the former POTUS. Rumored to be offered congressional internships. Money pouring in from white supremacists. I hope this dog whistle doesn't turn into a bullhorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 hours ago, ProfD said: https://www.foxnews.com/media/donald-trump-meets-kyle-rittenhouse-prosecutorial-misconduct-kenosha-trial It appears the hero treatment is just getting started. Meeting with the former POTUS. Rumored to be offered congressional internships. Money pouring in from white supremacists. I hope this dog whistle doesn't turn into a bullhorn. @ProfD You crack me up when you call everybody a white supremacist. Can't people just send some money to the boy's defense fund because they want to help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mzuri said: @ProfD You crack me up when you call everybody a white supremacist. Can't people just send some money to the boy's defense fund because they want to help? Sure. If they are non-white, obviously, I wouldn't call them white supremacists. I would call them d8mn fools. This boy has just opended season for white vigilantism in America. @Troy in his optimism wants guns taken off the streets. In light of recent events... As @Pioneer1 might post...SHEEEYIT.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 hours ago, ProfD said: @Troy in his optimism wants guns taken off the streets. Yeah cause we know this will help. One of the white boys Rittenhouse shot (but managed not to kill) had a loaded Glock. He did gun did not help him. In fact it is the very reason he was shot... You want a country where it is cool for teenagers to travel across the country and kill protestors if they feel threated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Troy said: You want a country where it is cool for teenagers to travel across the country and kill protestors if they feel threate(n)ed? I would rather not have a country where folks feel the need to shoot and kill each other for any reason. I think getting guns off the street and/or out of folks' hands will be as impossible as eradicating racism. As long as people feel threatened in a real or imaginary way, they are going to lean on their constitutional right to bear arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, ProfD said: I think getting guns off the street and/or out of folks' hands will be as impossible as eradicating racism. Impossible? No we can not get ALL the guns off the street but we can get most of them off the street and reduce the number of murders. Racism will be eradicated over time. Indeed it is disappearing as we speak. It will only last a small portion of of time on this Earth in a hundred years we will look back on the concept of racism the same way we look look at blood letting as a medical practice a flat Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, Troy said: Impossible? No we can not get ALL the guns off the street but we can get most of them off the street and reduce the number of murders. Racism will be eradicated over time. Agreed. Time solves ALL problems. A willingness to do so by taking action(s) can speed up the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Troy said: Impossible? No we can not get ALL the guns off the street but we can get most of them off the street and reduce the number of murders. We have more guns than people, there's something like 400 million guns in the U.S. So this is an awful problem, especially when some of those guns are in the hands of criminals, mentally unstable, drug abusers, etc. It will be difficult getting even a small percentage of guns off the street, other than the guns that should be confiscated during stop and frisk, which I hope is in effect where needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 Yeah realistically we are not gonna take away the guns already legally purchased, but we can restrict where they can be carried. we helped save lives by restricting where people can smoke. we can do the same with guns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Troy said: Yeah realistically we are not gonna take away the guns already legally purchased, but we can restrict where they can be carried. we helped save lives by restricting where people can smoke. we can do the same with guns Lawmakers would have to be willing to make guns a health and safety issue in order to impose restrictions on carry and conceal laws. The politicians will get a major fight from the people who believe in their right to bear arms. The bigger fight for politicians will be with gun lobbyists who fill their coffers and get them elected. When it comes to getting things done in America, follow the money and watch their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Troy said: Yeah realistically we are not gonna take away the guns already legally purchased, but we can restrict where they can be carried. we helped save lives by restricting where people can smoke. we can do the same with guns Not in Texas. We don't even need a license to carry our guns anymore, either openly or concealed. Anyone over the age of 21, unless otherwise prohibited, can carry where it is not restricted. But who is going to be checking if someone brings a gun to a school or hospital. These nuts around here are going to carry their guns EVERYWHERE. I'm amazed that there hasn't been an increase in mass shootings. I think that is because of COVID and once we get back into full swing, those will start occurring more frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 22 hours ago, Mzuri said: Not in Texas. We don't even need a license to carry our guns anymore, either openly or concealed. Texas is a great example of a place with relaxed gun laws yet all h8ll doesn't seem to be breaking loose. It isn't the epicenter of mass shootings and murders. I believe the reason Texas isn't the wild wild west is because anybody could be packing a gun at any time. That's an equalizer and crime deterrent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 Another supposed self-defense killing that happened on 5 November is in the news. Why people continue to antagonize someone who has a gun is beyond me. There is a video in this article. From the Daily Mail: Horrifying moment gun-wielding Texas man shoots dead partner's ex during furious child custody row: Cops are yet to lay charges as lawyer claims killing was 'justifiable homicide' Texas man shoots dead partner's ex during child custody argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Mzuri said: Why people continue to antagonize someone who has a gun is beyond me. Unfortunately, some folks don't believe they're gonna get shot until it's too late. According to the gun laws in Texas, I believe that shooter will get away with justifiable homicide. Sadly, the custody battle is over now and the son no longer has a father. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 23 hours ago, ProfD said: Texas is a great example of a place with relaxed gun laws yet all h8ll doesn't seem to be breaking loose I guess it depends on how one defines “all hell breaking loose.” Check out the stats associated with the graph. Also do you see a correlation between firearm homicides rates (which the graph shows) and gun laws? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mzuri Posted November 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Facebook Stifled Freedom of Speech From The New York Post: “We’ve designated the shooting in Kenosha a mass murder and are removing posts in support of the shooter,” Facebook announced barely a week after the event, as it began a truly epic campaign of censorship blatantly at odds with its professed support for free speech. Facebook declared Kyle Rittenhouse guilty, silencing his defense in the court of public opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 As much distain I have for Rittenhouse, If the Post's reporting about Facebook is true -- that is crazy! I would never take the word of the NY Post (or the Daily Mail) and other tabloids at face value. If I had the time, I would probe a bit deeper to find a primary source (like Facebook own words) to determine if the Post's headline is actually accurate. I think this is an important subject, but something tells me it is just typical tabloid sensationalism. #sourcesmatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/27/21404518/facebook-search-kyle-rittenhouse-blocked-kenosha-shooting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzuri Posted November 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 hours ago, Troy said: As much distain I have for Rittenhouse, If the Post's reporting about Facebook is true -- that is crazy! I would never take the word of the NY Post (or the Daily Mail) and other tabloids at face value. If I had the time, I would probe a bit deeper to find a primary source (like Facebook own words) to determine if the Post's headline is actually accurate. I think this is an important subject, but something tells me it is just typical tabloid sensationalism. #sourcesmatter Why do you disdain Rittenhouse? Do you disdain Black people that go around shooting people for no reason at all? He acted in self-defense. And what is wrong with The Daily Mail? It is one of the world's oldest newspapers. Some of their stories may be considered as gossip, but they are a serious news organization. The New York Post is older than the The Daily Mail. The description "tabloid" refers to the size of their pages, and has nothing to do with the content. The reason that I get most of my news from The Daily Mail is because they cover some topics that cannot easily be found from U.S. sources. I get news from Sky Australia for the same reason. As to Facebook, they have been censoring for awhile now. I won't go into any conspiracy theories but I think that it's pretty bad. Censoring is also happening at the other social media corporations. Fauci’s Daughter Works at Twitter Which Suspends People for Disagreeing With Him And ICYMI, we lost our freedom of speech when Biden declared that people could not refer to illegal aliens as such, and that we could not call COVID-19 the China/Wuhan virus. Immigration Agencies Ordered Not To Use Term 'Illegal Alien' Under New Biden Policy Biden 'China Virus' Ban May Foretell National Security-Threatening Policies This crap starts out with the federal agencies and then it trickles down on the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Mzuri said: Do you disdain Black people that go around shooting people for no reason at all? He acted in self-defense. Of course I do, color has nothing to do with it. Rittenhouse should have kept his butt at home and not placed himself in a dangerous situation. 12 hours ago, Mzuri said: The New York Post is older than the The Daily Mail. Age has nothing to do with the content. So you you are not familiar with "tabloid" used in the content that I used it, so I will ask you this question, are you at all familiar with the NY Post? Have you ever seen the print version of the newspaper? Again sources matter. I don't treat Twitter or Facebook as a news source, so personally I do not care that they filter news. Actually, I do care because so many people use Facebook's websites and I care about how the population is informed, as misinformed people directly impacts my life. @Mzuri, I looked at the first link you posted and the article said, "Primarily, the platform vowed to crack down on tweets that represent a 'denial of expert guidance.'" I actually don't see anything wrong with doing that. In the early days of the pandemic someone who posted here regularly, started sharing all types of misinformation that directly conflicted the science -- it was classic conspiracy rife with links to all types of sites exposing mis information and lies -- even saying Black people were immune to covid. Now I did not ban him but I challenged every lie he posted. He ultimately left removing all of his posts. Now Twitter has far too many trolls to deal with on an individual basis, so I would not blame them for reacting the way that they did. But again, we should not be seeking important information from Twitter @Stefan I just ran a search on "Kyle Rittenhouse" on Facebook and I got results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Meanwhile, in Michigan, a 15 year old shooter has murdered 4 schoolmates. He's being charged as an adult with murder, intent to murder, weapon possession & terrorism. The teenaged killer posted on social media. His dad bought the gun a few days ago. The parents should be charged too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENNETH Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 Nothing new or unexpected in the Rittenhouse verdict. White people have always dealt violently with black people especially when they merely perceive a challenge to white power. And any white person who stands with black people is fair game too. The simple fact is white people are tired and angry at peaceful black protest not just rioting or looting. For many of them a violent extralegal backlash is appropriate. History just keeps repeating itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 @Troy, the latest mass shooting in MI might reignite the dialog on gun control. The parents have been charged. Those clowns tried to go on the lam. They weren't able to hide out for long. They were nabbed in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 It might start a conversation about gun control, but it will not amount to anything in places like MI. I’m surprised the parents tried to run. It makes them look as guilty as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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