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ProfD They even took the napkins, paper cups, bottled water, and plastic utensils!

frankster The process is different but the result is same.....an accurate navigable representation of the Environment - Hence Basically the same The differences is WHO or WHAT receives the information that is being processed. Consciousness...or technology. What then is Consciousness.... The first and primary way for us to determine Self Awareness....AI has Demonstrable proved that they are capable of Identifying themselves as opposed to other AI and other Things Huh? That reads: AI has demonstrated that they can identify themselves as opposed to AI??? Seeing is the brain processing information coming from the eyes True. But once this information is processed it is acknowledged and considered...a product of consciousness. Until you define Consciousness....I do not agree with your statement - that you need consciousness to interpret and use visual info to recognize and move with in your environment. It's hard for ME to nail down an exact definition but I'd say consciousness is awareness of one's self, time, one's environment, and how they all relate to eachother. When I say "we"....the "we" means I am in Agreement with those who did the test and reported their findings Right. You're just AGREEING with them....but you weren't actually there to witness who was doing what. Or what they were CALLING "AI". No evidences does not mean impossible.... True. Well on that we disagree... My definition of Love.....does not allow for a love without Acts of Caring Respect Selfless Service and Encouraging Supporting Consideration(actual and verbal) There are people who have out of body experiences when they travel to other Realms and literally SEE and literally FEEL what they call "Love". The Love they speak of is a very tangible thing and not just an emotion. They come back with some of that Love with them. Which is why I can say a person can have love IN them without expressing it. So can AI....how do you know which is true or real? You often times don't. The above was me showing you that they do Create and Train other AI.....OffSpring No way. They don't create. They may generate or innovate...but they don't create. True....as a category If Man is a part of Nature....is it not then also true that Nature made it? This is no more true than claiming that cows make cheese; or that Big Mac Happy Meals with all of it's chemicals and preservatives are still organic natural foods since all of the ingredients were somehow derived from somewhere on this Earth. Human refers to Biology/Specie.....the moment your biological body dies you are no longer human Interesting perspective.......... According to the Ancients it is the Breath and The body that makes us a Living Soul Remember that those English words in the Bible are merely an attempted TRANSLATION of the Hebrew words and their intended meaning. While old English considered the WHOLE MAN a "soul"....Hebrew uses the word "Nepesh" for the entire man and "Rauch" for the spirit of life. They drew a distinction. You are using the correct words ....but your understanding seems to be lacking Just as I thought.... I mis-spoke about the chi/qi/prana being the energy that animates the SOUL. I'm not sure how much of a role these this energy plays in animating the ENTIRE entity or what we call the SOUL; but it is certainly needed to maintain and animate the PHYSICAL body.

ProfD No surprise. Those meetings will be happening in auditoriums & conference rooms all over the USA. Hope the coffee & danish was good.😎 When the meeting first got started, most of us just took one danish or donut. After they announced the news about layoffs....people started grabbing PLATES and BROWN PAPER BAGS and loading them suckers up shamelessly, lol. By the time the Africans and Latinos left the auditorium, NOTHING had to be thrown in the garbage .....only the recycle bin for carboard and paper. Everything edible vanished. Troy The problem immediately becomes what will you use it to do @Pioneer1 ? The plan..... I'd likely use it either for my own businesses and other self interests. However if things don't work out how I plan them and I end up working for others until I reach retirement age...being educated on how to use AI and make it work for profitability would be a nice credential on my resume, lol. What keeps me up at night is how do I keep AALBC from becoming obsolete (ignoring that fact people will almost certainly continue to read less). The answer will be people--as it always has been. If people abandon aalbc.com for AI it is a wrap... I would think taking care of your YOUNGEST DAUGHTER is what keeps you up at night...lol...but that was a few years ago so perhaps she's past the age of crying all night. Can AI create new music once musicians have no incentive to create new music to train the models and are starving in the streets? I don't know about other genres of music, but judging by that goofy sounding shit AI produces when it "tries" to imitate Jodeci, Troop, and Keith Sweat......they got MILES to go before they can even be considered competition, let a lone a threat big enough to displace real singers. Listen to this AI embarassment rendition of Keith Sweat..........

Sounds like Delano and I are CLOSE to agreeing on something. Now I'm going to have to RE-THINK my position.....lol. Interested in hearing his argument as to why AI will never become conscious, though.

Troy Is that a ONE TIME fee after that 100 has been reached, or do you have to pay a fee for EACH SEARCH after 100?

Before leaving the White House, former POTUS George W. Bush Jr. (GWB Jr.) said the quiet part out loud. POTUS GWB Jr. said the USA financial system was built on a house of cards. The economists know exactly what & how to keep the USA propped up. The government keeps printing money & moving the goal line on its debt. If any creditor decides to call in the markers, the USA has the military might to strongly suggest they take a hike.🤣😎

@admin IT is interesting, I argue, the directory developers were not good programmers. Like many systems, from email to directories to large language models that are the basis for the commonly called AI the programmers were and are poor. Everything they create is speed based but not efficient based, andI do comprehend that working for the private sector with the investment firms constantly hounding for what they are owed aside the publicly traded mechanism who are filled with those constantly hounding for increased revenue, this falls upon programmers to be focused on speed over efficiency, sequentially the search engine is preferred over the directory. But I think the directories needed smarter algorithms. The question is why didn't web directories scale? The reason why is the web directories weren't designed to let their usage have a role to play in the categorization. For example, the internet was flooded with websites , from humans or non humans, at a high speed secondly, as the internet has global usage at all hours, sequentially having a manual categorization even with twenty four hour cycles will never keep up with the rate of creation, what you say is a failure to scale. But, i see it as a simply problem of categorixzation. They could had inputted the uncategorized websites in the directory in an expansive category designed to grow but not to be rated. So, all the websites online are in. Then, let the users of the directory dictate the quality rating. How so? for example, when someone types, an authors name, the website of the author will not be in the rated category if it was just put in a half hour before the query. but if it is in the unrated category, the directory can simply state it doesn't have a rated directory entry for the author and then display best search case, based on the index words for the website. And then if a user clicks it, it gets a positive search rating but not a quality rating. Thus the directory will have two segments, rated + unrated, the rated is curated, tested, proven, assured, grown manually. The unrated is grown programattically, but all of its entries are rated with the lowest value and only vary from each other by traffic usage, and when one reaches a certain quality of traffic it will be tested onto the rated segment. This way the scaling aspect you and other speak about happens while the quality of the directory isn't diminished. All it requires is a modulating algorithm which can be adjusted for various factors to qualify when one from the unrated can be brought into the rated. What is my final argument? yes, the internet has tons of many different websites and addresses but i argue, most of them or at least 99% of websites or webpages , do not warrant being placed into a rated directory, by quality of the page or website or the traffic to said site or page. But again, I Comprehend the larger problem with my strategic approach. search engine optimization from the search engines allows for two key financial aspects, one people can pay for better rating in the optimization and two the influence of low quality social media content on wealthy websites can push through search engine optimization. My directory system as i described has a manual system for the best content, and places the rest as available but ranked equally, no matter their quality which doesn't allow for businesses to pay for a better rating or position in the directory, and thus losses the financial avenue that the search engine optimization provides. I know artists who had work stolen by humans so the computer programs called ai, designed to scrape and use simply do it faster But, when you say monetize, you mean the humans or some humans are getting ai money. ai's don't actually monetize right? are you suggesting AI's have bank accounts? Even if AI's do, what do they do with their money? lawsuits aren't bullshit, don't knock the power of lawsuits and in modernity all countries including the china's and russia's of the world have legal systems even though many in the usa don't seem to think they do. The lawsuits may not manipulate the programs but they will manipulate the firms that made or operate the programs and that will lead to an interesting thing. This is why the AI firms want protection, they want protection because even if computer programs can't go to court, the humans who made them or their owners can and they can lose everything in court. Remember, the Social media firms got away with that nonsense, the federal government gave them a protection from lawsuit cause it was coming and i argue should had occurred. @ProfD Yes, but I wish we all would also add that the usa is taking away the risk element. One part of fiscal capitalism is making money by nay means necessary The Other part and I Argue most important in modernity is the losing property or other valuables when one fails to make money. From 1990 to 2026 we have all witnessed the entire banking industry collapse, the entire real estate industry collapsed three times i think, the entire automotive industry collapsed, the airline industry hasn't recovered since pan am was lawsuited out of existence, the arms makes like boeing and lockheed martin are all bankrupt. All the major industries in the usa are bakrupt. the film industry and entertainment industry is bankrupt, thus all the mergers. Now all of these industries have been saved by discretionary policy but discretionary policy isn't fiscal capitalism. Discretionary policy as used in the usa isn't about fiscal capitalims but macroeconomics. And the usa is showing that regardless of fiscal capitalistic quality, since all of the industries in the usa have failed completely within my lifetime, a macroeconomic protectionism , in terms of bailouts/monetary injections or other similars , all supported by a militaristic quality , which the usa doesn't have the ability to extend, allows for negative fiscal capitalistic quality to be protected. yes, kill people for their land, enslave other people for cheapest labor... yes, by any means necessary. But what people miss today is the safety net. Unwarranted macroeconomic protectionism keeps the fiscal capitalistic activity in the usa organized, notice i didnt' say positive or negative, regardless of its fiscal capitalistic quality in the USA. to me Unwarranted Macroeconomic protectionism is the correct label for the usa today, to suggest the usa is acting as fiscal capitalistic I argue is unwarranted when all the industries have failed or are failing in modern memory. Fiscal capitalism isn't just making as much money as possible it is losing money when you fail to make money, it is others buying your assets when you go bankrupt. That is important you know. When black people were enslaved, whites in the usa went bankrupt and other whites would buy what other whites formerly owned. I just dont see how the industries in the usa are making money. I Argue they all are in the red, and are simply being propped up by welfare checks. Unwarranted Macroeconomic protectionism is keeping the organization, the haves and have nots, financial alignment of the various demographs consistent in the usa. But unwarranted macroeconomic protectionism is not fiscal capitalism. I argue it is a monarchic system ,and monarchic systems are not about money but military power. And human history proves that little countries can have far better fiscal capitalistic quality than bigger countries, ala holland next to its peers in europe, but those bigger peers are still stronger militaristically and that militaristic might has its own influence. But I repeat that power is not a symbol of fiscal capitalism , simply a symbol of militaristic power.

Post-industrial revolution, existing & emerging technologies fuel capitalism. G**gle is the king of search engines. That won't stop small players from trying to stake a claim in the game. The objective under capitalism is to make as much money as possible by any means necessary.😎

Right. There has always been a whole lotta people in the world who do not believe in such things i.e. religion & spirituality. For those people, their existence is about having paradise on earth. The same people have zero concern about what happens on this planet when they're dead & gone.😎

Thats been the case for a long time. Especially in regards to pushers. Perhaps they don't have enough soul to lose.

Directories definitely had their time but the problem with them is they simply don’t scale. I remember when the search engine Altavista came along I stopped using directories at that point. Then Google came along and blew what I thought was a great search engine (altavista) out the water. Google was great until they chose a model based upon advertising if they could’ve charged folks a few bucks a month they would’ve had a nice business they may have even become billionaires, but now that was not enough. Then a huge industry emerged of people gaming, googles algorithm to rank higher and search. Some of these were quite effective too. I remember once site copied all of my content and was beating me in search! That still happens today while met with my entire site some of my content for sure. AI did exactly the same thing., but at scale. Again, AI will gut the Internet. Steal from all types of content from creators, artists, writers, musicians, you name it monetize or and never compensate the original creators. The bullshit lawsuits won’t do a damn thing to stem the tide.

We tend to anthropomorphize AI, as if “consciousness,” whatever that is, is the end all and be all. I think if AI achieves a state that is equivalent to or superior to what we define as consciousness is a moot point if it takes over the planet, and kills us all and its own self interest. Consciousness is overrated anyway. It’s a story we tell ourselves to make us think we have free will. ;-)

@Delano...looking forward to your thoughts on AI & consciousness. AI has been the subject of a few threads. Would be nice to read another perepective on it. AI has become mainstream news. Folks really perked up when it was reported AI could wipe out humans in a decade or less. That got some attention. Of course, the tech bros have been nonchalant about it. Their objective is to make a sh8t ton of money. D8mn the torpedoes.😁 I find it slightly amusing that some people are laser focused on making money even if it kills them & their loved ones. "What profit a man to gain the world & lose his soul"...doesn't apply to people who are enriching themselves regardless of collateral damage i.e. who lives or dies.😎

Over the next few days I will pr sent arguments by others that support my statement.

In all earnest, the web directory is the best model, it isn't just keywords relating to content but also the quality of the website. the web search does away with the quality standard.

The process is different but the result is same.....an accurate navigable representation of the Environment - Hence Basically the same What then is Consciousness.... The first and primary way for us to determine Self Awareness....AI has Demonstrable proved that they are capable of Identifying themselves as opposed to other AI and other Things Seeing is the brain processing information coming from the eyes Until you define Consciousness....I do not agree with your statement - that you need consciousness to interpret and use visual info to recognize and move with in your environment. Often they are connected to an AI or something similar. When I say "we"....the "we" means I am in Agreement with those who did the test and reported their findings Yes it is No it is not unsubstantiated. No evidences does not mean impossible.... No evidence does not mean impossible... Some AI can program.....themselves and itself Well on that we disagree... My definition of Love.....does not allow for a love without Acts of Caring Respect Selfless Service and Encouraging Supporting Consideration(actual and verbal) So A human being can say the love you.....whilst having no actual loving feelings for or toward you - Sociopath and Psychopath (ASPD) So can AI....how do you know which is true or real? The Mind of a mannequin and that of a tree and that of a Mammal are different in Process Development and Capability of Expressions as far as is known. Well we share in the Creative Process by Innovation....as part of nature as does all other creatures Our Bringing together of things that were once separate or consider nonexistent may and do result in both familiar and unfamiliar emergent qualities that we must now categorize. We categorize according to qualities shared with things in a similar category Because the difference lies in the degree on the Pathways Taken Through Process and Development....The Variety of things and processes are innumerable. We as human Beings list and categorize all that we know based on characteristics and traits both sharing similarities and differences to varying degrees. The above was me showing you that they do Create and Train other AI.....OffSpring In response to your quote below... Transfer money is not the same as creating programming another AI....in order to transfer money as you admitted you need human involvement Human do not have to produce those AI considered Iterations.... They AI Copies itself and introduce new programs and training modules making the second iteration of itself qualitatively different from itself. True... True... True... True... True... Some of These spirits or demons are as evil as some of us humans.. So what if sense are attach to a brain....if you can accomplish the same results without a brain Then it shows that Brains are not the only way to get there Trees jellyfish and starfish are reputed to not have brains....yet the live - are the conscious and self aware? True....as a category If Man is a part of Nature....is it not then also true that Nature made it? Human refers to Biology/Specie.....the moment your biological body dies you are no longer human Gen 2:7 According to the Ancients it is the Breath and The body that makes us a Living Soul You are using the correct words ....but your understanding seems to be lacking Just as I thought....

I do not know how hard or easy it is to classify Information as Sensitive or Secret....usually to my understanding it has to do with how it affects ..... National Security I do Know that it is no longer as easy as it used to be....to keep it Secret or Sensitive indefinitely - Due to FOIA Which is how it was Design....The CIA works for the current/Sitting President Neither did I....Most definitely it is the good Green Grass True...on both points That Have already been done.....Gary Webb "Dark Alliance(Kill the messenger)" A few people spent time in prison... No...the drugs did not stop The information coming out is not Misleading......just slow to be accepted and promoted as creditable to the public by Official news outlets. Yes it can be so That is True....to an extent. In That Some of it is True....but it is mixed with bogus and misleading info

I used to use Ixquick then it became Startpage. I found it better than Google Similarly I used to use Borland instead of Microsoft. Now I use OpenOffice Never liked the big dog. There were always better alternatives.

Can you elaborate. The following quote is from physicist John Wheeler It from bit" is not the claim that we use information to describe the world. It is the stronger claim that the world is constituted by information — that physical reality is the running pattern of answered binary questions, and that what we call particles, forces, and spacetime are large-scale regularities in that pattern. @Troy

Haven't noticed an uptick in dropped cdll phones. Not surprised considering how so many people have a cell phone in their hands most of the time no matter what they are doing. People can't even use the bathroom without pulling out a cell phone. So what if one is just sh8tting there. Everything is not an opportunity to scroll, text or play games on a phone.🤣 Same people would be mad as h8ll if they dropped their phone in a toilet or elsewhere. 😁😎

No surprise. Those meetings will be happening in auditoriums & conference rooms all over the USA. Hope the coffee & danish was good.😎