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I am saying you are I cannot and should not limit the Divine... I think they are legends yet to be proven. Name the most Glaring Fabrications that you know of? True enough. In short Holy means worthy of devotion or of the Divine.....Can you name something in existence not of the Divine? The Bible is about the Divine....it tells/teaches us about ourselves. Written by the Divinely inspired Men.....Men are vain frail and do err No....you must be clear. The Divine is always Clear....St Paul struggles with himself an unclear vessel. Romans 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. So now you are saying The Divine lied? A Translation issue. Aramaic Scriptures the language Jesus allegedly spoke says they were Angels and Angels are often in scripture mistaken as men.... It is ambiguous to the unclear To find the truth One must struggle with it As an aside their is an Angel named Phanuel whose named is sometime translated as Peniel. Lastly EL is often at the end of most if not all Angels name....EL mean God Translations from Aramaic Peshitta Holy Bible Translated And Yaquuv called the name of that country, Penuyel, because, “I saw an Angel face to face and my life is saved.” Lamsa Bible And Jacob called the name of that place Peniel; for be said, I have seen an angel face to face, and my life is preserved. https://biblehub.com/parallel/genesis/32-30.htm Jacob struggles with the Divine and is blessed...go figure. Jacob overcome his lower self and is renamed/reborn a new man - esoteric meaning Satan is of the Divine....The Opposition - The Adversary The Divine reside in Man.... Very Good name when one realizes that to fight is to struggle or wrestle with an issue....is to find a solution/Salvation - Savior The Narrative He stole his brother's birthright who now approaches with four hundred men...Jacob Has a dark night of the soul moment - Esau is now Satan - The Adversary The Angel of death or the Avenging Angel destruction and ruin approaches That could very well be. IsRa means....Journey at Night El means God Journey at night with God....perhaps a dream or simply to meditate.

Exactly .... The Divine sees more than we humans do and emphasize that which is most important. We cannot limit the Divinity by denying its capabilities..of what it does and doesn't do Is the Divine limited or constrained by our concepts of Right and Wrong?.....I say NO . Embellishment and poetic license can both be achieve without lying.....but by placing emphasis and some details and less on other facts of a story. You should not answer a question with question. You go first who if anyone of the Two lied? Serpent or God. or is there another answer? What does Holy mean? Man is One Agent of the Divine....and all Agents color or influence the Message of the Divine The part meant for you are Clear....and simple as in every first step That part that is unclear to you, as you progress must be work out....as with all things in life. So you are telling the divine what is best?!?...that's rhetorical. The following are literalistic interpretation....No Contradiction Genesis 32:24 says it was a man And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. Genesis 32:1 agrees with Hosea 12:4 that is was an Angel. Jacob mistook an Angel for God....it is common man is vain frail and do err. Spiritual Interpretation Angels are extensions of the Divine/God and act in The Capacity of God Genesis 1:26 God said, Let us make man in our image. Sacred Meaning Man must wrestle/struggle with God and Man/Earth to secure his Blessings in Life...

If Found guilty on all allegations.....House Arrest or Suspended Sentence or some type of Probation. Imprisonment I would be surprised....In any case The first Republican to win the Presidency would Pardon him of all Charges. I remember him chanting "Lock her Up" ....the Gods can be so humorous - in the end she wasn't lock up.

I am new . If he is threatening the life of the posters or the continued existence of this forum...then do as you must for the greater good. If he is no threatening but testing our opinions and beliefs....then let him continue to strength us.

True... Being based on truth is different from being an allegory or being totally made up... One now must decipher the Truth. Why is it Unacceptable for divine sources to embellish? Poetic license is not lying. I never said the Divine lies..... Genesis 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Did God lie? did God say they would die? Did the Serpent Lie? The Divine has no need to lie....we lie to ourselves. The Authors of the Holy Scriptures are Human.. Humans are frail and vain. Yet Most Chinese today are Pale in comparison to the Mongolians in your picture? No the man in the picture above looks more light brown to pink than red ...to me Nevertheless I see where you are going. Again could it be that the falsities you see are your own misunderstanding? Provide your single most glaring example of this contradiction? According Genetics and Archaeology: all modern human are descendants of Black Africans. In other words humanity is African

True....The Laws of Nature does not submit to our suppositions of Right and Wrong or Good and Bad Who among us no the Mind or plans Of God The Old must die for the New To thrive Name calling and screaming are Words.....be careful they do not perturb you Words are Powerful Tools....."the tongue is mightier than the sword" - To paraphrased. Wow I would love to visit some of the more vile and argumentative filled forums....do you care to recommend the worst of the lot???

I find that fruitful and uplifting communication is Good and Rewarding Yes Jesus had emotional outburst at times it demonstrates his humanity....Hence the Heresy of Arianism making Jesus simply another "son of Man" who has been Anointed the Messiah. What's to be gained from such language but acrimony and hurt feelings.

Yes you did and so did I I do not want you to accept anything I say or post all I want is for you to express your truths as we reason and learn from each other. I am here for fun and to spend the time in fruitful communication.

So are you saying that the Stories and Narratives we read in the bible has no basis in historical facts and or Reality?..I think bible stories are based in facts It is my thought that they do have some basis in historical fact but that the authors took "poetic License" to make a point, teach a lesson or pass on Knowledge. It akin to making a True To life Movie some parts are embellish to make the movie interesting catching or memorable. The Expulsion from Eden is God's way of weaning Man....Man is No longer a Brute but Sapient nor just a Nomadic hunter/gatherer. Are Chinese people considered caucasian and do they blush? I thought Adam meant Earth Ground or Dust, and that the Story is telling us that all human beings are One Family Thanks for the Honesty....Neither can I say the the bible is a 100% true I know there is Truth in the bible. The Bible is more than a history book How would you recognize a "Divine Book"? How do you know that what you label as "falsehood" is not just you not understand the message or truths it imparting? The Mythical "Greater Caucasian Civilization" would have to be in my estimation the Aryans....The Aryans are and were Persians And who do these Caucasians Descend from? Neighbor means someone living close to you or with whom you associate, not necessarily a tribal affiliate. Honesty is the basis of all long term mutually beneficial relationship... Cool

Yes... If you see someone in a vision that you know then you will recognize that person and will often point idiosyncrasies particular to that person. This is natural they all saw him die....no one would expect to see him alive .... Again who knows what the experience of death and resurrection does to the body. In the end they all realize who he was....because they knew him in life. Good for Thomas he now has the proof he required. Good for you...though i find that a little disingenuous due to the fact you did research for this thread you posted on this very topic It seems you went to some length to show where many of the people in the bible cannot be proven to black African...that's either duplicity or altruism. What is important is what he looked like before his crucifixion....that's how his friends and the world at the time knew Him - Jesus physical phenotype.

I prefer to use Myth or Legends and Archetypes of the Human Experience Allegory makes it almost fiction....as the place situation and events of the narrative are now of no real social or historical value Is there any of the bible stories whose allegorical and symbolic meaning you can share or elucidated the true message behind the story? Are you then saying there is no historical value in this stories? What is the Name of this "Greater Caucasian Civilization"? Are Semites Considered Caucasians? So when the bible says in Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" is that symbolic and has another meaning? Do you know any of the true stories behind any of these allegories and or their real meaning?

According to the bible did John actually knew Jesus when he was alive? That only lends more credibility to the visions Yes and He knew what Jesus hair looked Like in Life... When My love one is angry zealous fervent spirited or ardent I can see the fire in their eyes Yes I did quote that passage too. Exactly they are Visions and you describe what you see.. A vision is akin to a waking dream...and when I see my brother riding a dragon in a dream/vision, I know its my brother because I knew him in life - I recognize his appearance by his looks. John Knew Jesus

Is the description below of Jesus? Revelation 1:14-15. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. Why Not? After all she was the Queen of Sheba a kingdom located in Southern Arabia and Eastern Ethiopia think modern day Yemen Genesis 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan If we accept the prevailing and accepted assumption that Ham is the Father of the Black Africans then Egypt is one of his son...Mizraim is the Hebrew word for Egypt or Egypt is the Greek word for Mizraim Genesis 10:6 The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan. Not One but Ethnically the same Who are these serious bible scholars who think Ham is not the Father of the Black African Ethnic Peoples? The Importance of Nimrod is that he was the ruler and founder of the first Known biblical civilisation Sumer/Babylon/Chaldea/ a state/country many thought was not Black African. Genesis 10:8-12 Cush fathered Nimrod; he was the first on earth to be a mighty man.1 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord. Therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10 The beginning of his kingdom was pBabel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in qthe land of Shinar. 11 From that land he went into Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth-Ir, Calah, and 12 Resen between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city. Why Not? Egypt is in Africa I have no argument with the above....peace and love.