Delano

Troy wrote, "Everyone body has different priorities. Whether one "needs" to improve anything is purely subjective and, as long as they are not hurting anyone else, up to the individual -- not anyone else." Troy wrote, "Why, pray tell, would you ask about self improvement if you aren't even clear when something needs improvement?" Perhaps you can reconcile these later statements with my initial answer. Sometimes if something doesn't work I'll change it.

You asked a simple question and I gave you a detailed answer. A simple answer would be, "I believe the bombers were wrong." I could give very simple answers but I thought we were having a thought provoking discussion. That is not true. I also prefer I discussion where there are differences of opinions. Here's a parsimonious yet, mentally rigorous argument. I am clear about self improvement. Delano wrote. "Sometimes I'll change something because it doesn't work."

My beliefs are a function of my life. As a consequence I do not expect, demand or require anyone share my beliefs. Including my children. I encourage them finale up their own minds. However I also say they must own the consequences of their decisions. Quite often I'llsay to my kids I don'tthink something is a good idea. And most of the time I am right pretty quickly. So now my kids listen when I say somewis not a good idea. Sometimes they are right. And I am zuprised at the limitations or constrictions of my beliefs. I day to my kids you can do it your way or my way. But if you do it your and it doesn't work then you fix it.

I believe everyone's opinion is fitting to their life and their world view. When you are discussing beliefs the question of facts, proof right and wrong is not valid. I believe there's little doubt that felt they did they right thing. Would I have done the same if I were them. Well how could I possibly answer that question. Would I do that, no. Can I judge if it was a terrible thing yes it was. I was working at the World Financial Center during the first attempt. Er have a NYU alumnus that lost his life. No had his life taken away. With all of that I am not God, so I can judge no man. I don't even want to serve on a jury.

I believe that people can be better.

Troy. I believe o understand your point. I am just posing a counter argument. There can be other alternatives. I am guessing but I would sat that Donald Trump may feel the only improvement he needs is to make more money. There is a quote in Candide by Voltaire. "This is the possible world." Some would say that Voltaire is being ironic. The argument goes this us the best possible world, if ut weren't it would be changed. I would argue that the petsob addicted to drugs is doing the best they can possibly do at that point in time. Which in now way says or even implies that they will always be addicted to drugs. I am making a fairly subtle point which you may have missed. My argument may not be very convincing. However it does open the discussion to other possibly. Even though they may not be likely, they are not impossible. Troy you get my point but is unfathomable to you. Yes those bombers thought that what the did, was divinely inspired. Which most people would agree with tgat statement. Were they wrong, that depends on your religious beliefs. Please not the operative word in that sentence is belief not fact. I would disagree with you. A wealthy person nit giving is not unethical not matter how morally bankrupt they may be. For me ethics is about nit stealing, morality us about giving because it is just. This in my opinion is a fine distinction. Which you and others may choose nit to make I am very careful about making universal statements about what is the correct behaviour ir viewpoint fir other people. I feel that once you take a step in that direction you cab become intolerant. Ir strident that you have the truth. Although most fundamentalist would more like agree with your overall idea but argue about the application. I have no such certainty about the correction if my opinions, beliefs or thoughts. I think toy have misunderstood me. I don't think you can find any issue that everyone will agree is universally wrong. Even if we only include people of "sound" judgement. While you are diametrically opposed to my opinions. I di not feel the same way. Since I firmly believe that everyone us entitled to their opinions no matter how uninformed they may be. This is the idea behind democracy. I may nit believe in what you do, bit I will defend to the death your right to your opinion.

Troy The arguments may not be very convincing. However the show an alternative, which I believe is sufficient.

Donald Trump is a perfect trump, no improvements are needed. Most people would classify the 911 bombings in this category. Whereas the bombers feel it was their religious duty. To be charitable can be a religious imperative, but not doing so does not make one unethical. Even the believer.

Can you give me some examples. I disagree with all three points. Nit everyone would agree. Give me a few hours.

Pioneer Those men are Zen masters. There's is no ambition. There needs are met what di they need to improve. I am not making a statement about the morality or fairness or equity. Luke Lebron they are at the top of their game. You can even argue they function ad a societal warning.

Del, of course there are things you can say that are better for others. It is better for people not to wantonly kill others, and so forth. Wouldn't you agree? No I don't exactly agree with you. There have been killings that lead to good. Like examining why people kill. I would say ethics is more tactical. Whereas morals has a philosophical undertow. Most professions have a code of ethics. Whereas religion has morality tales. Ethics are in place to keep you from harming others. Morality is for not getting ostracised by a group of your peers. It is more likely to involve guilt, then financial penalties. Although there can be some overlap. It id from what the person feels not the sanctions of the governing body.

Cynique- Is it change or rather the decision/decision process to change, that us ambiguous. I don't think I am qualified to say what id better for someone else, when it's almost impossible. To judge where The Butterfly Effect will take you.

Troy - When I said it needs to work for me, it isn't from a moral point if view. At the same time my decision do have an ethical component. As an aside morality is agreed by the group you belong to. Ethics for me is more fairness in interactions.

Perhaps not, I just ask if it works for me.

Sometimes I'll change something because it doesn't work. Not certain if that qualifies as an improvement. I just look at things as working or not working.

Nothing i just live like i am going to die. I don't rationalize may behaviour good or bad. I don't try and improve myself. I just try to be as honest as possible, although most people are delusional myself included.

What do you consistently do to become a better person?

I'd be more concerned about the rinse on your brain from the media. Unless you are planning a revolution.

The satelites that make mobiles, GPS, and telecommunications possible are also used for the military. Which is why China and the Russians have launched their own satellites. Also the internet is built on a military platform. I believe it was called Arpanet or Arapanet.

It ain't about colour, it's always been about wealth and power.

Pioneer - Miles Davis said something interesting about Prince. He said Prince guy away with sexism and misogyny in his musical, because he sounded girlish. Whereas you couldn't sing about the same things with bass in your voice. Lets look ar it the other eat around. Do we currently have light skin Thug rappers, and di we have dark skin crooners. I kind if stopped listening to music do I wouldn't know. I think you will gave a hard time marketing intelligence ae a desired quality. Unless you can tie it into wealth: millionaire computer nerds. I don't know about you but I haven't seen that many time models that value solely intelligence. You may have intelligence and some other quality, or cunning/street wise.

Troy - I have been quite fortunate, in other countries as well. However it dies make me think if the paths of Denzel and Weskey.

I have to say that Strip Club Queens is on of the more interesting things I have come across. It's women with problems.

The Mack

Cynique - That makes it clear.