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Pioneer - Miles Davis said something interesting about Prince. He said Prince guy away with sexism and misogyny in his musical, because he sounded girlish. Whereas you couldn't sing about the same things with bass in your voice. Lets look ar it the other eat around. Do we currently have light skin Thug rappers, and di we have dark skin crooners. I kind if stopped listening to music do I wouldn't know. I think you will gave a hard time marketing intelligence ae a desired quality. Unless you can tie it into wealth: millionaire computer nerds. I don't know about you but I haven't seen that many time models that value solely intelligence. You may have intelligence and some other quality, or cunning/street wise.

Troy - I have been quite fortunate, in other countries as well. However it dies make me think if the paths of Denzel and Weskey.

I have to say that Strip Club Queens is on of the more interesting things I have come across. It's women with problems.

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Cynique - That makes it clear.

Okay then why did you misspell Lamont's name twice. Also based on your answer I know that you didn't understand my post about series. Since you mentioned movies and tv specials.

Troy - I admire your honesty and complexity.

You may want to check again. I actually wasn't sure about how to spell Ron's name. However I knew who Troy was talking about in his post. If you are going to be a stickler make sure you get it right. Or not. The correct spelling is Lamont.

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Thanks Pioneer - I saw the reverse situation in Boston at Uni. The non US blacks didn't associate with the Blacks from Boston, but they would talk to me.

I guess for me the tourist are financially supporting the church with minimal cost for the church. There's is the economic side of running a church. And if we are talking non Catholic then financing is a bit of am issue.

I see your point. However I think attendance is probably down at churches except for Super churches. Churches that market themselves or have a TV show. I guess for me if it is the choice of less financially stable church that doesn't have funds to assist the community versus slick packaging. I'll take slick packaging. A few decades ago I heard Minister Farrakhan talk about economic independence. He said it was key and to Jeff a little if you have to do so. Perhaps it is a bit mercenary are maybe to market driven. We are in a agreement i think if an audience member wants an authentic experience. I wouldn't be taken them because they are really after entertainment. The tours provide a way that i believe is less harmful although you could argue that it isn't beneficial. I think it is just a more savvy method than the cake sale or selling dinners. How many people do you know that church is a part of their life.

Actually Cotton was written by Chester Himes a very talented and interesting writer. If memory serves Sanford and Son was also written by two Black Writers.

Okay if your going to complain about proof reading and spell check, you should nr error free. Also we started talking about images I mentioned role models. I feel the two are somewhat related. I see your point be a financial successful opinionated bigot is good. I agree that the father in good times is strong. I remember Dick Gregory saying that the secondary leader of the family in the father's absence is a fool. Dick Gregory also felt that Lamont was a pretty disrespectful in the series. I hadn't really thought of either of those things. You could argue that the tv shows that you mentioned showed black family trying to do their best. If you object to role models than I am fine to keep the conversation limited to images. Also I probably have less free time than you and I don't really proof, what I write. I can see your point. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Can you name 5 tv shows, that had at least two seasons. The tv shows don't have to be on tv for five years. The five just have to be on within the same 5 years. I think I was pretty clear excluding movies since they probably would not be two seasons long. I would have to disagree with you. I think the way women are portrayed in the media is as an object. I think this has been covered before. Look at newscasters. Older women have fewer roles than older men. The red carpet of award shows is predominantly about the sexual desirability of women. Whereas for men it is about power as sex. So can you mentioned three can you think of two more series on commercial TV.

Okay Cynique I can't type, bit at least my grammar is bad and I don't use spell check. Okay you have four shows and you want to use George Jefferson, Lsmont Sanford, and JJ as black role models. Ned Kelly was interviewed after he fid Roots. He said there are no positive black male role models. He also said there aren't any positive white male role models. You may have assumed I was talking about Black shows I meant all shows. It's pretty hard to come up with 5 commercial tv shows that were quality. In any 5 consecutive years.

Troy I reckon that you can't name 5 shows on commercial tv that had more than one season. In any 5 year period. TV has always been crap. Pioneer - I'll. Hive it a shot. Tap; Colour Purple(girl gets girl, hadn't seen it though), White Nights; Uptown Saturday Night, Piece of the Action, let's do ir again, Claudine; Heavy Metal, Brother from another Planet; Mo Better Blues.

What I meant to post was that there was no commentary from Ryan O'Neil on the DVD extras. Troy - I have noticed in my last fw post that you attribute comments to me that are not mine. And then don't respond to direct questions. Are you tired or busy?

That's interesting because there's no commentary from Rysn O'Neil. O think Superfly is about someone who decides to change his only way of life. Yeah I just don't have that strong a filter to judge someone. A pig is apparently clean,highly intelligent and it has an hour long orgasm. The characters struck me as human. In a way that most reality shows I have seen or not. I also think they are not self conscious. I feel as though they see honest. I don't get that they ate trying to massage their image. Which is I dunno, a bit ironic because they see strippers. I may watch it and tell you what I think

I am not certain what point you are making. I know two or three people who have gone on the church tours. They aren't religious. Actually the kids mother told me she wanted to go to a Harlem church. I said they have tours, she said she wanted an authentic experience. I said its their religion and you aren't going for the religious experience your going for the singing. Which is basically entertainment. I don't really have a problem with this type of marketing

You could say that Sweetback started Blaxpoitation, or it is a slave narrative. I would almost agree with you about the delusional part. Except the quote is coming from Curtis Mayfield. Who is one if the most Conscious Musicians at a time when there ead a message in the music. And musician and performers weren't just singing it they were standing up. Maybe I am romanticizing Curtis and the power of the music. The kids issue no argument whatsoever. I think definition wise judging and critiquing are differences of degree not kind. Actually Troy you and I may have seen different films. I recall him being in jail. And dealing with crooked cops paying lawyers to get out of the game. There are two other points, who seels more Eric Jerome Dickey or Cornel West. Which categories of books sell a lot and which don't sell. I have never run a bookstore bit I think we all know the answer to that question. Sex sells even in books. I think the show is actually fascinating from several points of view. I guess I see them as Human. The clip I saw the white chick has a drinking problem. It's a reverse situation where the white chick is in the minority. And if memory is correct, the strippers are majority dark skin. No you could argue this the other way around. I have only seen the preview, bit what I noticed is that out of six minutes there was maybe 30 seconds of stripping. Does that ratio hold true for the series. Here's. A news flash tv has always been mostly crap, lowest common denominator. I used to love the Twilight Zone. I would consider this quality tv. Rod Serling said something very interesting. He said that there was always pressure from the sponsors not to tell really gripping stories because this got in the way of the bunny selling toilet paper. I reckon you can't name five shows that were quality tv on Commercial tv. One more restriction the show has to last more than one season. You can even pick which 5 years. Sarurday morning cartoons pretty much a writeoff. Let's see there was Good Times, Archie Bunker, Sanford and Son, The Love Boat. Probably you'll have to pick variety shows or Music shows: Ed Sullivan, Soul Train, Hee Haw. Positively Black yep was on in the dead zone of Sunday Afternoon. Playhouse 90 not certain if it was a series. You can't count the Richard Pryor show it was even a full series it was like 6 episodes.

"This is seen, for example,in the continuing reevaluation of the role of alchemy in the scientific thought of Robert Boyle and Isaac Newton, which has demonstrated conclusively that, much more than an early or casual interest, alchemy was at the heart of the thought and the method of each of these pioneers of modern" - Stanton J Linden. The Alchemy Reader From Hermes Trismegistus to Isaac Newton

No one wants to see positive programs. We want sex, violence, beauty and the good guys to win. Otherwise you would have them

I can't moralize about stripping. Partly because I am uncomfortable judging others. I have spoken to two strippers in a strip club. Neither conversation was initiated by me. I used to live with a stripper. I think of is human drama played out in a strip club. I remember when Superfly the movie came out there was a similar debate. It's exploitation your glorifying hustling. As you know Curtis Mayfield did the soundtrack. Which is a brilliant piece of music but it also has a message and tells a story. He said it is a story about redemption. I would watch it. The trailer I saw was about six minutes long and had 30 seconds of stripping. I remember this performance artist Penny Arcade (we are friends). Saying that prostitution and stripping is they only way outside of marriage to raise some real capital. I don't think that statement is totally true. Yet it is basically TRUE. I women's worth is a function of her attractiveness.

I don't see Africans or Caribbean Black folk having the same problems. I think the big difference is those folks have a a culture and a homeland. I think the NOI gives a cultural identity and they through in a language. I do know what it means foe them to run the city. Actually it is meaningless. If they are talking economics that is not political although increasingly it is. Politicians of various religious backgrounds have run the city sven the country without this being a problem. Although you could make the argument that this broke down under George the II. I see that more as a lobby issue. I think the leadership of the NOI is very savvy. I would say give them a chance. I think in a way their program is a similar to Socrates Academy.

Pioneer I have done parties with a few psychics. You use different technigues, the newbie says i have never done this before. Each of you us basically saying the same thing. The say how is that possible I say I don't know, but it works. You can create a magnetic force from magnets or electricity. The elements are difference but the force is the same. I am using a Magickal definition of elements.