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Based on their beliefs there is nothing illogical about suicide bombers. I am bit a cultural or religious elitist do I can't judge their actions However I would not be s interested in being a suicide bombers. But culturally I wouldn't judge them. Actually you'd be better if using philosophy to check mathematics. Which is why the really interesting questions like are numbers created or discovered it actually philosophical. There is a philosophy of mathematics and mathematical philosophy. Not being a mathematician I wm interested in the former. Logically it is true but not factual. Since some women are taller than men. I would disagree with you there, I would say Newtown is the biggest known mind. I read one maybe two biographies. He has a pretty impressive resume. He us the beginning of the scientific method, he developed a branch of mathematics, he did work on optics, color theory gravitation and he ws the Treasurer of England. Can you name any treasurer that's created a branch of mathematics. There should be handful since there are lots of Ph.D. granted.

Troy - Your last sentence gets to the heart of what I mean. My beliefs are mine and my opinions need not be right. That's the whole point, nobody thinks their beliefs could be wrong. If you take religion is world view who says ah you are right I haven't A clue. No in any disagreement the underlying belief is, if I can just get this person to see the truth. Not maybe they are right. I once decided to try and understand someone's presentation. Instead of picking the bits that matched my beliefs. I assumed it was all correct and I tried to follow it. Its an interesting mental and social exercise. There is a group of philosophers and mathematicians that believe that numbers are an invention of the human mind. There are some very interesting philosophy about what is the nature of numbers and hence mathematics. Check out Wikipedia the embodied mind theory. Do you believe numbers were created or discovered. O am guessing you would sat discovered I would say created since it fits mu philosophy better. It is human nature to discount anything we either don't believe in it don't understand. We use mathematics and statistics to check the soundness of an idea. What do we use to check the soundness of mathematics. Religion and science are quite similar. Except we start with the ideal and then live life according to it. In science we look at life and try to find the theory. I should clarify what I mean about beliefs and conclusions. You can make a statement that is logically true, but factually false. Men are taller than women, John is a man Joan is a women, so John is taller than Joan. Listen to atheistic scientist discuss religion. They say how can people believe this, we aren't in the dark ages. Science can not answer all our questions. The question about meaning or existence can better be understood using religion. Science is quite dismissive of anything it can't quantify. Can you name any current scientist who believes in the occult, no they would be ridiculed. About a subject their colleagues are ignorant about. However if you were to look at the scientists and philosophers before the age of reason or pre industrialization you would see a marked contrast. Newtown was the last magician/scientist.

I only came across one couple or person that didn't give any effort to the name if their child. I think names do matter. Similar to chanting. A found or a word had a vibration. A friend told me my name sounds like I have money. I think James Baldwin wasn't hampered by his name. Although I believe the name can describe character. So I am not certain whether I agree it disagree with Pioneer. Actually it is both. I think Zoë is talented, and yor name descubes you.

Which is why I like meta-thinking. Which is thinking about your thinking. It is fascinating to discover your deep seated beliefs. Which if you make any progress, will likely lead to becoming more self aware. I do believe that it is important to see your deep seated beliefs about the world and yourself. Although I wouldn't suggest doing so. I also believe it is important to be self delusional. Simply because seeing the truth isn't likely to make you happy. There aren't that many happy philosophers. The happiest people I have met seem blissfully unaware, perhaps they are blissfully unconcerned.

I have always enjoyed talking about ideas. Although recently I have realized that I want to convince my opponent that my position is correct. I am surprisingly, at least to me, not trying to convince them they are wrong . I don't think it is possible for any opinions to be wrong. The real issues is understanding the assumptions or beliefs. Since the opinion is based on beliefs and assumptions. I would say this is true of any belief. So for me there isn't any knowledge or truths. Science to me is a belief system. And while it is rigorous and does have checks and balances it has flaws. It's major stumbling block is its arrogance and close mindedness. Granted this may not be true for all scientist and I may be assuming this incorrectly. Most scientist are atheist. The more scientific position would be agnostic. Which may be related to the word ignorant. To say you don't know is actually more scientific or at least more open minded. I think Socrates had it right, when he said he doesn't know. Which means you haven't stopped thinking. Once you assume you are right, things will at some point go horribly wrong. Simply because you are unaware and also unprepared for the truth.

Funny my astrology teacher used to say that.

I don't ask why I like I've cream, I just eat it.

Troy - I don't know. Mt feeling tells me there is a hierarchy. Soul Spirit Mind Brain Body. The higher has w link to the lower. Cynique I like your division I just don't understand it.

Its like only some people can be hypnotized.

Pioneer some of the issues you raise about black people are human issues. Banks generally prefer to lend money than to own homes. Simply be wise it is more profitable. I'm the 90's. There was insider trading most of the individuals caught were Jewish men. We will have full equality. When the crime us committed by single Black women.

Yes it us a good book. Cynique have you had an experience, where you weren't thinking about it?

The mind doesn't exist physically or temporally on earth. So in my mind it can not be influenced by spatial-temporal effects.

Linda - Another viewpoint is always welcome, perspectives are never wrong just different. They are Points of the Viewer.

Sure just watch advertising critically. However the mind is probably hack proof.

Cynique - Not for me in that serting. There is no expectation or desire.

What I find in that state I am observing more than thinking. Or at least there is less projection

I am challenging mu beliefs about what reality is. What I find is the less meaning I put on reality the more fluid it becomes and I just observe the outcomes. The problem with this fluidity is that my sense of self becomes transient as well. Which does facilitate introspection and self awareness. It is uncomfortable.

Yes Troy but it us what we want. We want the most for the least.

I think as a society where are having less physical interactions. We don't talk to shop keepers because we buy online. We can even find a partner online. The company I work at does home loans. We never meet the customers except the brokers. All interaction is done over the phone or over the net. From a business standpoint it's more profitable to be online. However the social cost and the funds mot being re circulated in the community will have a ling term effect. Which we will see in the upcoming years

Then you are wealthier. Probably saner as well.

Pioneer - When I was in New York City. I worked 9-5 and didn't take mass transit often. I can't recall if have even seen kids playing outside. So I don't see any kids. Or if I do it's rarely in a group. Its not a conspiracy its about money. The hormones are in the food supply. Black people ate targets because they are easy consumers. I don't know about the rest if the country. But in New York you very rarely see black businesses in black neighborhoods.

Troy - You should be proud not every parent can say that their children are function much less proficient. Congratulations.

Do black people hate black people more than white people do. I haven't seen black teenage girls in a decade have you noticed the changes before then.

It could be the growth hormones in the food, that's causing girls to develops early. Pioneer all change starts with you, or me. If you see something wrong, you can fix it. In organization every has lots if ideas but a few do the work. Which do you want to be.

The qualities if successful Business Leaders is the same as Sociopaths.