Cynique

"Never mind" is right. You have always lacked mental acuity, dummy.

The turn table, a speaker, an "arm" that a needle is screwed into are what comprise a phonograph or record player. They all work together to produce sound. They were not "highly modified" in the ensuing years. There was no need to change them. Whatever music or sound was produced was what changed, not the equipment. CD and tapes were the different ways of producing sounds

Who gives a damn what you believe? You offer no references except a bunch of opinionated subterfuge. Unlike you, i pursue the truth, and am not beholden to an afro-centric agenda.

it's a wonder you didn't try to portray the prod as a component of a turn table.

@Pioneer1Strange looking format your admission is in... This day should be marked on the calendar! Now all we need is an answer as to why Mexico, Haiti, and Jamaica being a part of the Western Hemisphere has anything to do with hip-hop, rap, breakdancing and turn table MCing.

No, that's not comparable to my forgetting about the Americas from back in my grade school social studies class, something which did come back to me once my memory was prodded. Farrakhan bores me. He and i are the same age, from the same era, and nothing he has to say is new or of interest to me. zzzzzzzz The same goes for your advice.

No. Pioneer still can't bring himself to acknowledge that using a turntable to create a different genre of music does not make it synonymous with inventing a turntable. @Pioneer1YOU are still wrong about this, and everybody here knows the chances of you admitting it are nil. You are trying to divert attention from your inability to acknowledge you are ever incorrect by harping on a very ambiguous designation, considering that Haiti and Jamaica were colonized by the European countries of France and Britain and in the modern vernacular are more commonly identified as being a part of the Caribbean. We realize that your sanity depends on your winning this argument but get a grip and stop playing the victim. You are stumbling over your ego in trying to take a victory lap. LOL

No. Pioneer still can't bring himself to acknowledge that using a turntable to create a different genre of music does not make it synonymous with inventing a turntable.

I corrected myself, something you never do, and later i also elaborated on my correction by classifying these countries as being a part of "greater America", a fact you couldn't come up with because you were too busy sucking up to Mel and Troy, begging them to agree with you. And you conveniently ignored all of the facts i did offer about Haiti, Jamaica and Mexico, opting instead to cherry pick what is an ambiguous status of these countries, and you never explained why their being located in the American hemisphere had anything to do with the subject being discussed. Now go change your pee-soaked shorts. LOL

I did not include Puerto Rico in my statement because It is a possession of the USA. The natives of these other 3 countries when asked what they are, would in all probability say Haitian , Jamaican or Mexican, not American, although technically their countries are located in the American hemisphere.

@Del I followed your advice about looking things up on the interet and this is what i found about headphones. Of course there are those who will dispute this and claim they orginated with hip-hoppers and rappers. Brandes radio headphones, circa 1920 Headphones originated from the telephone receiver earpiece, and were the only way to listen to electrical audio signals before amplifiers were developed. The first truly successful set was developed in 1910 by Nathaniel Baldwin, who made them by hand in his kitchen and sold them to the United States Navy

in lecturing Mel on this, why don't you get specific and give quotes that can be attributed to me as not being factual. Below is a direct quote from me: "Haiti is a country located on the island of Hispaniola, east of Cuba in the Greater Antilles archipelago of the Caribbean Sea and covers 27,560 square kilometers of land and 190 square kilometers of water, making it the 149th largest nation in the world with a total area of 27,750 square kilometers. Jamaica is a beautiful island paradise located in the western Caribbean or the West Indies.Kingston is the capital city of Jamaica. It has a population of 937,700, and is located on a latitude of 18 and longitude of -76.79. Kingston is also the political center of Jamaica, which is considered a Constitutional Monarchy, and home to its Ceremonial head of state. The country of Mexico is separated from the United States of America by a border. Your assertion that these distinct independent countries with their individual cultures are part of the USA does not apply. " The only non factual thing about that quote is that you didn't say that these countries were part of the United States of America. OK. And in the following statement below, I did refer to them as being "Americas" - as in the broad sense of the word as it applies to continental America. And, i still question what whether Haiti, Jamaica and Mexico are a part of greater America or not has to do with the subject being discussed, a question you continue to dodge. In the above statement about Del, your "maintaining" that the turntable came from AfroAmericans has not been proven right by you. Using your twisted logic, Charlie Parker invented the saxophone because he played Be-Bop on it, or Scott Joplin invented the piano because he played Ragtime on it. This whole debate is much ado about nothing because everybody agreed that Rap, Hip-Hop, Break-dancing and turntable MCing were originated by people of color. You just had to pollute the discussion with your silly rejection of white Thomas Edison being the inventor of the turntable, and your ignorance about who invented headphones. And in the end, you haven't proved yourself anymore knowledgeable on this subject than anyone else. At least Del's input is not second hand. Nor was mine. I grew up in a household where, dating back to the 1940s, my brother always had phonographs and records players equipped with turn tables.

Well one of the things that come to my mind when Jews are excoriated in public orations reminiscent of Hitler, is nazism because Hitler was a nazi and this is what he did. Just because Farrakhan didn't preside over a holocaust doesn't exempt him from having something in common with nazis. i don't call Christians "nazis" because they don't publicly disparage Jews. i do call them and anybody else "homophobic" when they condemn gays on the basis of their religious beliefs. I also call anybody who advocates female submissiveness a "male chauvinist". i don't really detest Farrakhan. What piques my cynicism are the many who idolize him and think he can do no wrong and lavish praise on him for converting convicts and losers into a rigid albeit productive lifestyle that only a relatively few follow, something which begs the question of people like this. Since what Farrakhan does is so great and inspiring why don't they join his cult? The NOI numbers are relatively small in comparison to the overall black population whose members are either helped by other black organizations or who have the gumption to make it on their own. Farrakhan is simply a charismatic rabble rouser with very limited success, a slickster who owes his popularity among blacks to his ability to piss white folks off. Farrakhan was recently invited to his church by Father Michael Phleger, a white militant Catholic priest who pastors a black parish in Chicago, to speak at a rally supporting his right to free speech. Farrakhan showed up grinning from ear to ear, so happy this white man had thrown him a few crumbs that he declared he didn't hate all Jews, Just the satantic ones. LOL

@Pioneer1Do you even know what a turn table is? The round device that is a component of a phonograph and that spins around and is where a grooved disc is placed on?? The two pictured are just alike. They are simply packaged differently. And just what is the relevance of your referring to Jamaica and Haiti and Mexico as part of the Americas? What does this have to do with hip-hop and rap originating in the city of New York in the United States of America, especially since nobody said the that these genres originated elsewhere and were created by white people. Why make Mel do your work for you? You can't concoct an answer yourself, just like you couldn't truthfully verbalize whether you ever lived around Atlanta or Chicago, and couldn't find any reference to what you imagined i said about farmers and the depression so you just stall. What a transparent phony you are. LOL BTW, headphones were invented waay before hip hop and rap came on the scene.

What a pathetic attempt to obliterate your ignorance. You are really stupid enough to think that all you have to do is contradict something and that makes it wrong. And you did this without even bothering to offer facts or information that would prove you right. Haiti is a country located on the island of Hispaniola, east of Cuba in the Greater Antilles archipelago of the Caribbean Sea and covers 27,560 square kilometers of land and 190 square kilometers of water, making it the 149th largest nation in the world with a total area of 27,750 square kilometers. Jamaica is a beautiful island paradise located in the western Caribbean or the West Indies.Kingston is the capital city of Jamaica. It has a population of 937,700, and is located on a latitude of 18 and longitude of -76.79. Kingston is also the political center of Jamaica, which is considered a Constitutional Monarchy, and home to its Ceremonial head of state. The country of Mexico is separated from the United States of America by a border. Your assertion that these distinct independent countries with their individual cultures are part of the USA does not apply. just like you can't wrap your brain around the idea that devices that operate on the same principle do not become different inventions just because new features are added. Anybody with any sense can see that the turn table on the original phonograph and a later model popularly known as a record player are virtually same and are what hip hop deejays used to scratch on. And Del's reply to your remark about who invented hip hop wherein he informed you that it was created not invented is an example of your not being able to speak on this subject with any more authority than anyone else. Your personality disorder makes it impossible for you to acknowledge these things because your delusions of infallibility are the glue that holds your fragile self esteem together.

I'm not talking about what Muslims do or what Muhammad Ali did or what Malcolm was. What does this have to do with Farrakhan having things in common with nazis when it comes to disparaging Jews, and embodying homophobia and preaching racial superiority or with Ali being a male chauvinist? i expressed my opinion about these issues. Since i didn't know about what hypocrisy denotes among NOI, how could i answer your question about this.

This is history according to pioneer. The turn table as it appears in this phonograph is no different in appearance and principle than those used to scratch out accompaniment on hip hop and rap music using the arm of the phonograph which contained a needle that was scratched on a vinyl record to produce the scratching sound. Do you have a picture of the device you are making reference to? And the form of communication that is known as an iphone is based on the same principle as a telephone. They both transmit voices via towers and poles and wires. the iphone is just more advanced. Haiti, Jamaica and Mexico etc not ect are not part of America. And nobody said that white people invented rap or hip hop. That's just you trying to create a straw man argument.

i never said what you are attributing to me and you can't handle that you are mistaken about this. Your refusing to accept this and coming up with some cock and bull story about me discussing this with Troy and then accusing me of is deleting the conversation is indicative of how you deal with being wrong about the notions that take permanent residence in your imagination. That's why you're stuck in Pioneerland, a place where your foolish world view originates. I explained that i was a child during the Depression, i was born in 1933 and the onset of the Depression began in 1929 when the stock market crashed. The Depression lasted until World War II began in 1941. We were poor and i didn't even know it because i had an idyllic childhood, and i certainly didn't know anything about life as it existed in rural America on farms. So you need to get a handle on being wrong.

No, because Muhammad Ali calling somebody a hypcrite is not an example of the hate speech that neo nazis spwe. Malcolm X was not above reproach. Muhammad Ali is free to express his opinion.

This is just a little tile in the mosaic of African American culture. I don't agree that the African American sub culture is a matriarchy. In a typical inner-city environment, women having children out of wedlock and raising these kids with the help of an extended family is not an example of a household headed by a female wherein the male is subordinate to her rule. in these typical cases, the family unit is loosely structured and its members simply do whatever works, in some cases whatever works is a single man raising his kids in the absence of a responsible mother. In the black middle class, mothers and fathers typically share the household responsibilities and the raising their kids. In any case, an adult male member of a household routinely abandons the family rather than deferring to a matriarch. What is a more accurate description of the black family unit is that a "village" raises a child. It also should be noted that millions of single white women raise their children under these similar circumstances. As for break dancing, Hispanics, specifically Puerto Ricans were an equal presence in its New York city origins. And, certainly, anybody who considers themselves as being aware of everything should be familiar with the abundance of pictures of old fashioned phonographs with turn tables. @DelYour above response to pioneer's pontificating is right on point!

@Troy i can't believe you asked that question as much as i bad mouthed Muhammad Ali about being a male chauvanist, hypocritical loud mouth, who always voiced his preference for light skinned women with long "good" hair, and who referred to Joe Frazier as a "gorilla". i've never idolized him! i did feel sorry for him after Parkinson disease ravaged his body and i never had a problem with him being a draft resistor. And i don't worship any human being, nor do i allow anybody white or black to dictate to me who is "acceptable". No i didn't notice the coffee cup on GOT. Yes, as the series winds down, these final episodes are wrenching... Gonna miss this show when it ends.

While Troy is waiting for Mel to reply to his statement above... @Pioneer1@Troy If you 2 are offended by my calling Farrakhan a black nazi, it's is too friggin bad. Get over it. In 2019, you don't have to be a killer to be called a nazi, albeit Farrakhan was complicit in Malcolm's execution. All you have to do is what neo nazis do: spew anti-semitism, and homophobia and racial superiority, - which is why i called pioneer's "secret crush" a black nazi. Pioneer has had a hard-on for Farrakhan for years, creams in his jeans at just the thought of him and pees on himself if i say anything bad about his idol with feet of clay. And just like you guys' , Hitler's sycophants thought he was doing good things for the master race. As for "Farkie" upsetting me, no way. I'm case hardened against bigots. i really couldn't care less about whether he stays or goes on Twitter. i take him with a grain of salt, like i do all glib, unctuous con men. pioneer's conception of the white male characters i fantasize about in Game of Thrones is, of course, inaccurate. But even the picture he included is preferable to a reject like him who admitted that people find him ugly. And if that isn't bad enough he's also obnoxious. BWAHAHAHAHAH! Ahhh but not so with with my GOT guy, Jon Snow. @Mel Hopkins Thanks for explaining how Twitter works. Sounds complicated which is why i keep it simple and limit my social media participation to just scrolling and "liking" and trolling and ranting on FaceBook.

@Pioneer1If you find the statement you say i made, i'll reply. i did once say that folks used to joke about people who worked for the Post Office being the only ones who ate regularly during the Depression. i don't ever remember saying anything about rural people faring better during the Depression than urban ones because these farmers were better educated. i was a child during the Depression and never lived on a farm and don't know anything about the Depression experience of farmers. Unless you come up with some kind of a study that verifies your assertions, no matter how thin you slice it, they are still hearsay or anecdotal or - baloney. And fess up, you prefer to ignore the "garbage" about Mel and Del schooling you on turntables and matriarchies because you can't handle the truth about how inflated your opinion of yourself is.

They should name the kid Leroy Tyrone. I, personally, couldn't care less about this event. Just the birth of another parasite to live off the blood, sweat, and adulation of the subjects who bow down to the British royalty who are nothing but a bunch of dumb figure heads.