Cynique

Are you referring to yourself? Or are you eliciting comments from the women on this site?

Pioneer repeatedly accused me of lying when it came to his position on sex between adult males and young females. This is how it went down: He said "As long as they were above puberty and he didn't physically force himself on them, he's not a monster in my opinion." In another exchange between us, I reminded: "So in your opinion once puberty kicks in a female is fair game for any man seeking sex, no mater what her age is." Later i said to him: YOU are who brought up the subject of puberty being what transforms a female into a sex object. This subject is not only about Elijah Muhammad but about your philosophy in general when it comes to male entitlement". This was his response: "the only thing I said that came remotely close to this is when I said as long as the females are ABOVE puberty then.....(and it's still not necessarily OK if you're already married to someone)....I don't give a damn. Those affairs are between them and his wife, not us." What he calls "lies", i call "implications". Bottom line; he left himself open for my interpretations. When a person tells you his opinion - believe him! Pioneer's confusion about the duration of puberty also didn't help his case. So he and i remain at an impasse - as usual. (1) puberty: the period during which adolescents reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction: (2) puberty: In humans, puberty occurs at the onset of adolescence, between the ages of about 11 and 14 in girls and 13 and 16 in boys. Pioneer also accused Mel of lying about him.

@DelI'm not angry. It ain't that serious.

Propriety is important and mutual respect comes with propriety. On an internet discussion board, ongoing feuds can precipitate an exchange of insults. Online forums invariably become outlets for the kind of behavior that would not occur in a face-to-face confrontation. Anonymity emboldens some people prompting them to push the buttons because they don't have to suffer the consequences of their aggressiveness. That's life. That's what the board is a reflection of. We have all kinds of personalities here. i am tired and old and impatient. In the future i will curb my true cynical self and not name-call. That's the best i can do.

@ChevdoveWell, all of what you revealed above seems to be compatible with a white supremacist agenda. Although total acceptance of white man's science goes against some of the arguments advanced on this board. All of which muddles things. i do find this research data interesting, however.

@Pioneer1No, Del just realized on his own that his first impression of you was correct.

There is such a thing as statutory rape, - a legal term for an adult having sex with an under-the-age-of-consent minor, and this is a crime. It doesn't matter if such sex was consensual.

Me, and my 2 daughters among many others. (1) puberty: the period during which adolescents reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction: (2) puberty: In humans, puberty occurs at the onset of adolescence, between the ages of about 11 and 14 in girls and 13 and 16 in boys. The subject under discussion was child predators. That's the context in which you made your statement. Above the age of puberty does not exempt teen-aged minors from being preyed on by these molesters.

Being "above puberty" gives you no leeway inasmuch as puberty commonly begins at about 12. In my response to your denial, i did not interpret what you said. i just ignored your bogus rationale You just cannot deal with reality when it comes to yourself. You're a waste of time.

Blah, blah, blah. is that the best you can do? I'd been more impressed had you not said anything. the animal kingdom is a very good barometer of what is instinctive and natural. There's nothing clear about cancer in animals. Cancer has always been around also.

Grasping at straws. I've never That's a lie. You think that simply contradicting the truth about yourself will dispel it. I quoted you exactly. But your personality disorder traps you in denial. Accusing everybody of lying about you says more about you than them. Delusion is the glue that holds you together. Without it you'd have a mental meltdown.

And you have the nerve to talk about Del making unsubstantiated statements. You can' even spell "definitely" correctly so stfu. All of a sudden everybody is an authority on homosexuality, dutifully accepting the veracity of white scientists prone to advancing white supremacy. Homosexuality has even been noted in animals. i read somewhere. But i can't cite the source so anyone can feel free to challenge this.

@Pioneer1The above italicized sentence in quotes is exactly and completely what you wrote. i don't have to read between the lines or imagine what you are implying. Your words speak for themselves in spite of your devious attempt to do damage control. You can try and wiggle out of what you wrote and omit parts of it, but all your convoluted rebuttal proves is how you are so invested in your need to be right that truth becomes the nemesis of your ego. Your transparency betrays you and all of your subterfuge fails miserably when it come to your trying to defuse your words. If you didn't think what you wrote debased you then you wouldn't be trying so desperately to sanitize your opinion.The fact that you misspelled "language" is a subliminal clue not a coded signal.

What if the oppressive white supremacist system steals this grand idea, like it has been known to do, and the movers and shakers in this country, who are secretly conspiring against black people, also embrace metaphysical concepts and do a better job of making thoughts things, thus sustaining the status quo? Seems to me this plan calls for re-location, a black exodus to someplace where the diaspora could fall back and re-group. There's also the possibility that diversity within the ranks would replace racism as a problem. I am a amenable to metaphysical concepts, but i think that becoming all you can be is an individual undertaking.

i think the average woman is more detail-oriented than the average man. They also seem to know a little bit about a lot of things, whereas men have limited interests.

Did Del ever say that his input about MLK was true?? Seems like just contributing what had been put out.

Maybe Del values women's approval more than he does men's because women are harder to impress. i think there's a connection between his new view of pioneer and his statement about women. It's hard to discern intelligence in a person like pioneer who never thinks he 's wrong and the caliber of his attempts to always be right are invariably specious.

@TroyCould you be more specific about where 13, 14, 15 year old girls can get married? Speaking of keeping things in perspective, we are are talking about single young girls being taken advantage of by sexual predators, not teen-age marriage via parental consent,

That's one of your devious lies. All Democrats and Republicans? Or just some? All black people are targets for this homosexual conversion or just some. How long do you think it will take these conspirators to turn you into a gay guy? i'd say about a month. There's no reason to think you would be spared.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID. How does this differ from what i said you implied.

@Pioneer1 That's is what you wrote. So, in your opinion, once puberty kicks in, a female is fair game for any man seeking sex, no matter what her age is.

Exactly, so why are and your Neely buddy attributing all of this capability to white people when it comes to influencing black people's sexuality? Since some say homosexuality is a choice and others say it is natural, how are these sinister white conspirators going to agree on how to confuse dumb, gullible, black folks about their sexual orientation? Your accusations are silly.

YOU are who brought up the subject of puberty being what transforms a female into a sex object. This subject is not only about Elijah Muhammad but about your philosophy in general when it comes to male entitlement.

Because there is another white school of though that says homosexuality is a choice and therapy can reverse the condition.

Well, we were acquaintances, not friends since we did not run in the same circles because she was, as we used to call them, "sanctified", a member of the Church of God in Christ which back then forbade its women to wear lipstick, and frowned on drinking and smoking and dancing and playing cards. So her life was pretty much what it would've been had she been raised as a member of the NOI. Her name was Beatrice and she was an attractive girl and a choir soloist with a beautiful singing voice and a pleasant personality and was cherished by the congregation of her father's church. But her life took a detour when she was not only whispered about for being a daughter of Elijah Muhammad, - something that didn't come out until we were in our 20s when the black Muslims had become well known - but for what happened later when she again became the subject of more gossip after she was left "standing at the altar" in her white wedding gown because the groom never showed up for the rumored reason of being gay. She never wed and became an evangelist and died young, in her early 50s. i have no idea how she felt about the circumstances of her birth but she did have kind, loving adopted parents. There were a lot of little interesting back stories and skeletons in the closet among the black population in the small town where i grew up...