Pioneer1

Delano

It's implied( like cultural funding) that it is for the target audience.

They thought the same thing about Affirmative Action.

It was IMPLIED that it would help AfroAmericans move up the economic ladder, but in all actuality far more Caucasian women have benefitted from it than AfroAmericans.

We need to be more direct and specific in what we want and are trying to achieve.

 

Kareem

I like what you said about us having a portion of land set aside for ourselves.
I'm just wondering should we establish it in the United States.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT talking about all of us packing up and leaving.
This is OUR country and OUR land.
But I'm seriously thinking about us having dual citizenship status that allows us to own wealth, property, and hold office in the United States AND around the world!

Look at Israel and how so many Jews in the United States have dual citizenship and can benefit from both nations.

Chev


Well, maybe, but we need to try again because Education and Jobs are essential to survival.

The education most essential to survival are SKILLED TRADES , HEALTH CARE, and AGRICULTURE.
And THAT is the type of education that we as AfroAmericans need to focus on getting, like Booker T. Washington started us off to doing.

All of this "IT" and computer programming garbage so many of our people are going to college for is a real waste of time in my opinion.  It's for people who ALREADY have a well established society and are now focused on having fun and fine tuning it.

The average AfroAmerican with a Master's degree has $50,000 worth of student loan debt and can even grow a tomato or fix a pothole in his driveway.
This "educated" negro has to beg some half-educated poor white man in a t-shirt and raggedy jeans to come  to his house and fix his driveway or he'll end up begging ANOTHER half-educated white man with confederate flag tattoos all over his damn arms to fix the damage to his car caused by the pot hole....LOL.
 

Troy

I'm talking about since Hollywood was invented!

Since AfroAmerican women have been featured in Hollywood, although many of them have been portrayed in deragatory and disgusting roles.....it is MY opinion that if you compare the two AfroAmerican women have been portrayed much more negatively in these hiphop videos and in hiphop in general these last 30 years than they have been portrayed in Hollywood since it's inception.

Can you name me a movie produced or directed by Caucasian men that has refered to AfroAmerican women as "bitches" and "hoes" more than Dr. Dre's Chronic album?

.....she bound to drizzown.

Chev



We need to try to understand the origin of this strange phenomenon.

I think I DO understand the origin.
And I'm trying to get YOU to understand too, but I don't think you want to hear it...LOL.



Now I do agree that some issues about us as human beings can be expressed from a genetic basis, for example, when a person is born with mental retardation.

When I teach, I can see that some children show a unique high intellect, but it is not based on COLORISM though.

If children are placed in a certain environment, positive or negative, this can be a factor in how they develop.

A child with a high intellect can be born and reared in an oppressive environment, but will still show some form of high intellect, however, they may not be able to achieve to a higher level due to other humans and,

a child with a low intellect can be born and reared in a structured learning environment and no matter what, that child will not show a high intellect!

In other words......
If a child is born predisposed to a low intellect then NO MATTER WHAT environment they are raised in they will not show signs of high intelligence; and likewise if a child is born with an intellect high enough then NO MATTER WHAT environment they are raised in or what adversities they face they will still shine through and show high intelligence.

I know this already, so let's apply it to racism.

Using your analogy, if a person is born predisposed to being a racist then no matter where they go on the planet an no matter whom they come into contact with we will find them engaging in racist behavior.

Unless you can show me documented cases in history where Caucasians have lived in peace and harmony with their neighbors of color anywhere on this planet.....wouldn't we have to conclude that Caucasians (collectively atleast) are PREDISPOSED to a racist mentality?




But this child in this youtube is showing that she has been conditioned. This has nothing to do with instinct. Her parents should be ashamed of themselves.

Ashamed?????
Why would her parents be ashamed of teaching their daughter early on how to perform her duties as a White Supremist?

Good heavens!

Why.....they should be PROUD of their achievements!

Do you know most Caucasians don't really understand the responsibilities and duties expected of a fully matured adult racist until they are in thier teens and early 20s?
 

Kareem

Obama was their most powerful weapon. He emasculated black Americans AND sent more troops into African nations than Bush did. He basically re-colonized Africa and diaspora Africans. But hey, at least his liberals and Zionists love him.

Brother when Presidents are PLACED (not elected) into office they're usually put in that position to accomplish 2 agendas during their term:
1. A Foreign agenda
2. A Domestic agenda

Obama's being an AfroAmerican served a crucial purpose for both agendas that the powers who put him in wanted to accomplish and those were:

1. For the Foreign agenda he was to convince more African nations to allow more U.S. troops in like you said.
2. For the Domestic agenda he was to get the majority of AfroAmericans to accept homophilia and transgenderism.

BTW, I consider myself Liberal (in the classical sense) but I'm not too crazy about him....lol.
Especially when he went to Flint and did a photo-op with a racist Republican Governor who tried to poison that predominately AfroAmerican city.




You alluded to it here and in another thread. Polygamy should be legal in the USA. In fact, I'm a paralegal and prepare a lot of court documents for corporate and criminal lawyers. If there's ever a black man and 3-4 black women who all want to be married, I'd write all their court briefs for free until it got to the Supreme Court. They would have to legally recognize polygamous marriages based on the same arguments that used for homosexual marriage. They ruled that "one man one woman" was discriminatory and violated equal protection. Thus one man/three women should also be legal. The difference is that polygamy is a historically African tradition, while homosexuality is historically European. So you can do the math there. But it'd be fun to use their own words against them.

The gay marriage push a few years ago would have been an EXCELLENT opportunity for AfroAmerican men to have promoted the legal right of polygamy.
If we were united and on point we could have used it as political leverage for a compromise and said we would support the right of homophiles to get married IF and only IF you legalize polygamy also.

Perhaps a Constitutional argument can be made about the issue.
Meaning, forget about all these little local and state bullshit laws banning this and banning that....what does the CONSTITUTION allow us to do or prohibit us from doing?


 

Maurice


I think i can smell homophobia here and I've got to be honest, I don't like it. By the way, I'm straight.

Lol....
Damn, you mean you're MORE offended by what's being said about homophiles (a more accurate term than "homosexual") on this site than what's being said about White people???????

I'll let Chevdove and Kareem speak for themselves, but as for me I don't think "homophobia" is the corrrect term to use.
I don't fear or even dislike homosexuals as a group.

I just see homophilia as a sexual abnormality that shouldn't be treated like a racial or sexual group.
However personally I have no problem with them engaging in whatever they want as long as they aren't trying to FORCE their behavior on others.

Also, it should be pointed out that the anti-homosexual views are not reflective of this site in general.
Troy has on many occasions expressed his disagreement on my positions and comments on homophiles and homophilia in general.

Troy

That picture you put up is a PERFECT example of what I mean about "slutty" and vulgar.
A picture of women calling themselves "bad bitches" and making grim mean-mug faces.

The titties exposed are alright with me (they're a little too small and too firm IMO...but they'll due..lol).
It's the NEGATIVE ATTITUDE and the push to purposefully be immoral and "bad" that I have a major problem with because now you're promoting immorality as attractive and encouraging our girls to be wicked and evil.

That's straight up SATANIC.

It reminds me of that biblical verse that goes something like,
"Fear not him who can just destroy the body, rather fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell".

You ask me about a motive for promoting this garbage?

More so than the money, I think many of these wicked beasts are trying TRICK as many AfroAmerican youth into living an immoral lifestyle as they can hoping that they will lose Divine Salvation and end up in a terrible place.

But let me throw this one at ya Harry.......

We certainly aren't where we need to be.....but if you have THOUSANDS of AfroAmerican police officers, deputies, sheriffs, lawyers, judges, and congressmen in this nation....and AfroAmerican men are STILL over represented in the penal system, then who should bare the MOST responsibility for this?

If The SUPREME BEING gives you favor and puts you in positions of power to actually make changes and do something about your situation, and instead of changing the system you GO ALONG with the agenda of your enemy and uphold the very corrupt system that is destroying you.....who's fault is this?

If we look at MODERN history....outside of the Haitian Revolution, I don't recall reading about a group of people who started off in slavery and rose to as much power as quickly as AfroAmericans did in this nation.

And what are they doing with the little bit of power they were blessed to achieve?

I often wonder.....seriously....do AfroAmericans want liberation and prosperity, or do they just want Caucasians to "like" them and accept them?

Do they want to LEAVE the plantation, or do they just want to be treated more kindly on the plantation?
 

You may be leaving but the Caucasian racists who monitor this site ain't leaving anytime soon. I'm sure they're still lurking in the shadows.
No matter how bored they get or offended they get....they'll be there because they have a job to do.

Well.....

Believe it or not, unlike Cynique's departure which I was "slightly" disappointed over but pretty much indifferent about because of her constant confrontational demeanor....I actually don't want to see you go.
Unlike Cynique who would often TRY to piss me off, you often did it without knowing any better....lol. 
So I knew there was no malice behind it.

Before your final exit, I don't suppose you'd care to engage us with  SPECIFICS about what you considered hateful and fear rhetoric on this forum?

But the cops were on the imperialists' side and killed the armed brothers before they could help their families and neighbors.

This is one of the reasons I'm so much in favor of more AfroAmericans joining the police force at all levels of government as well as helping to write and make the laws that this society operates by.
As long as you're in a victim's POSITION you're subject to being victimized.

Chev

White Supremacy began long before 4000 years ago, by some 'BEING' that wanted to be WHITE because he began to believe that White was more superior

than his being black!... and so this BEING was MUTATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The beginning of PURE ALBINISM. So because of his agenda we in this world are 

affected; his justification of White Supremacy is a taught behavior and a conditioing that we, whether white or black, continue to carry on. 

Are you talking about Yacub?

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

@Pioneer1 She is 6-7 years old, a child, and I heard Tariq too say the word "INSTINCT" and this is crazy wrong!!! OMG! She is old enough to repeat what she's heard at home but way too young to have any idea what it really means. There is NO intent but a serious conditioning. 

 

I was a teacher, she is acting no different than any kid her age! 

This is the same statements made about Black Africans too, in that we were born with stupidity by instinct and thus deemed 2/3rds a person by LAW. 

ALL OF IT IS LIES. We are being conditioned to hate and harbor racism, inferiority-superiority complex. 

 

No one is born to harbor this by genetics, but it stems from AN ORIGIN and from that basis, this is a conditioning. It is not instinct.  

 

If Caucasians were NOT born with this trait in them.....to hate people of color and desire to dominate and rule over them....then can you show me a CURRENT example of a nation where the Caucasians and peoples of color get along just fine, all of the power is shared, and they live in harmony?

I'd take TLC over the likes of Nicki and Cardiac Cardi......

Infact, TLC are still my girls.

@Kareem Kareem

I don't know if the AfroAmerican community of today is worth dying for as an indivual.

You go out there and put your life on the line like King or Malik Shabazz and some of these ungrateful stupid negroes of today will look down over your body mumbling something out of some purple/black lips stained from smoking too much weed about:

"Damn.....wuss wrong wit' dat nigga?  What he git shot fo' ?"
"Nigga I don't know....sumpthin' about OUR liberation or some shit"
"Da fuck he had to git shot fo' den.....hee, hee, hee......ain't nobody ask him to do dat shit
Pass me that muthaf*cking blunt"
 

And step right over you laughing.

Nah.
If I fight for a particular community I'm gonna make their asses sign a CONTRACT saying they will help me fight, will bail me out of jail, will provide housing, food, and money for me if I lose my job, ect....
I'm gonna get SOMETHING PERSONAL out of the deal if I put my life and freedom on the line!

Infact...
You can say this is scandalous and even shitty but if I'm fighting for a particular community I BETTER see some appreciation from a few of the attractive single females!
Sorry, but that's MY morality!
If you can be a groupie and lay up with rappers and atheletes who ain't doing a damn thing for you or the community, you should atleast be ready to lay up and spread your legs for AfroAmerican men who are fighting for your safety and the future of your children and our community. 

 

Chev

What you said makes sense.
Perhaps too many of our people are laying around waiting on a White Jesus to save them.

Maybe we should focus on saving ourselves.
I know if I had a construction crew or company I'd be down there in the Bahamas right now helping our people.

BTW....the REAL Moses didn't go to Egypt but came FROM Egypt and went up into the Caucasus to civilized the wild tribes.  Gog and Magog were just myths that symbolized the wild state that they were in in that region.

Chev


Yes but subset to what? If you are saying that Caucasians are White, then, that is the problem. White people are not the beginning of the term Caucasian. Today, they are defined that way, but the origin of Caucasian is MAGOG; a Hamitic-typed descendant of JapHeth. He was a very Black/brown man who was obsessed with ASHTEROTH--the ancient White goddess.

So, ancient Caucasians and the Cholchians are terms that go hand-in-hand.

We had this discussion before, about the names of the LAND versus the names of the PEOPLE.

You said the original Greek were Black.
I said no...the original people who INHABITED the land we now call Greece were Black, but the original GREEKS were Caucasian.

Just like the original people who inhabited Arabia were Black but the original Arabs were Caucasian.

It's the same here.
The original people who inhabited the Caucasus mountains were indeed Black people, but the original CAUCASIANS were not Black but what we call "White" or Caucasian.
According to Nation of Islam terminology the term "Caucasian" means pale, weak blooded, and weak boned...that doesn't sound like African peoples.

And although the Cholchians were indeed Africans from Kemet, they weren't the ancient Blacks of that land. The Cholchians were the "watchers" who were sent from Kemet to help keep the Caucasians contained in that region and make sure they didn't get out.
 

I think you're wrong about the Amazigh and Berbers.
The Amazigh and Berbers like the Arabs of today have African ancestry NOW......but originally they were Caucasians. They just got their African ancestry from conquering and being conquered and mixing in.
 

You're correct also that the original Egptians or people of Kemet came from what we call today India. Most likely the Pakistan region.
Infact as I've been saying ALL Africans trace their origins back to that land near and around the Indian subcontinent from the Dravidians.

Delano

I like your idea of cultural funding, but the education and jobs thing I'm not so sure is a strong enough solution.
We tried that route in the 50s and 60s and while it worked for a fortunate FEW it didn't benefit the MASSES of our people.

This current educational system only helps the AfroAmericans who are exceptionally smart enough and disciplined enough to figure out Caucasian teaching methods and put up with the deceptive bullshit they teach you.....long enough to get your papers and move on.
Most AfroAmericans in my opinion aren't able to do that and they end up falling through the cracks.

And most of the jobs today that Caucasians are offering are high-tech IT type jobs in a sterile very politically correct corporate culture.....the type of atmosphere designed to get AfroAmerican men in trouble or keep them locked out.

We need OUR OWN educational systems and OUR OWN businesses to create OUR OWN jobs.
Going to Caucasian schools in order to come out and work for Caucasians is a major mistake that our people shouldn't make again.

Chev

You said they weren't White but "ethnic".
What do you mean?

My understanding of ethnic (as in "ethnic group" ) is it being a SUBSET group of people within a particular race or nation.


And what is your understanding of "zigh"; do you think it's related to "zanj" or something?

Troy


Hummm what history are you reading? Does it include 400 years of kidnap, rape, and enslavement? Was monsters ball an example of this respect?

I'm talking about the White men of Hollywood and THEIR portrayal of AfroAmerican women.
Hollywood hasn't existed for 400 years.

Monster's Ball where Billy Bob was banging the hell out of Halle Berry made a lot of brothers angry and jealous, however in truth THAT image and those sex scenes weren't nearly as disrespectful or stereotypical as her roles in Losing Isaiah and BAPS where she played a crack head and ghetto prostitute.
 

Chev

What does QIA+ reference?

Queer, Intersexed, and Asexual....lol.


 

Troy

If CARDIAC B did it....it almost certainly is NOT part of our nature as Africans.

She's, along with Nicki Minaj and another one called "Megan Thee Stallion" are a group of mulatto women who are getting paid to promote vulgar degenerate sexuality in the AfroAmerican community.

Troy
 

I agree however politically we need an agenda, things most of us are willing to fight for. @Pioneer1 (anyone) what are the top three things we should have on our agenda?

Others have pointed out, the entire government needs to be overhauled; but the 3 biggests things I think would most immediately benefit AfroAmericans would be:

1. Reparations Package that would include a lot of things like education, healthcare, grants.
But unlike the benefits fought for in the 60s, this would be strictly for AfroAmericans only!
2. REAL Immigration control to keep OUR wealth in OUR hands
3.  REAL Sexual freedom that included polygamy and legalized prostitution (not just pushing sexual confusion)

Again, that's just a START.
But if we as a community (meaning atleast 25% of us because "most" negroes ain't doing shit) were to push THAT agenda at every opportunity it would jumpstart our economic and social success and help us to re-organize our family units.

Take a look at this clip:
 

Troy

Believe it or not, in Hollywood....especially when it comes to major motion pictures......historically speaking Caucasian men tend to have more respect and admiration for African women's bodies that AfroAmerican men do!

1. They tend to be extra careful of their image as to not be called or considered racist.

2. Caucasian men have less mental and moral restrictions that AfroAmerican men.
Most of them are atheist and believe religion and morality are bullshit anyway, so if they can find an African woman and convince her to get naked they have no problem promoting her body to it's furthest end.
Contrast that with the average AfroAmerican man who has grown up in a religious influenced and sexually conservative atmosphere where everyone is sneaking around having sex but no one is talking about it.

The truly powerful, in 2019, are not racist, but they will use racism to increase their wealth/power

Dear fellow......
Can you please explain to me.....in terms that even Pioneer can understand...how a person can USE raicsm to increase their wealth and power, without actually being racist themselves?

And these "truly powerful" people, what race do you think they would call themselves?

Kareem

Exactly.

You must have been reading mind about those earthquakes in California.

How in the hell do you have 2 major Earthquakes within a week of eachother but neither affect San Andrea's Fault and set off the "big one".......unless something or S/someones are controling them?

You don't have to convince me that the weather is being controlled and influenced, my question is WHY were they allowed to get this much power and technology over this planet and especially the ability to kill so many African, Native American, and Dravidian people?

Obviously the power or knowledge came from a supernatural source, so why is Divinity allowing them to do it?

It's 2019 and I'm really trying to figure out how long will this continue.

I used to live in Arizona for a short while by the way. I didn't mind the heat but it was too dusty, lol. A lot of Native American reservations in Arizona and New Mexico.
 

Troy

However, man does not yet possess the intelligence or technology to control cat 5 hurricane's. Lets not go completely off the rails with these consiracy theories.

The fact that hurricanes cut through where Black people live is coincidence. Like how forest fires and tornadoes impact white folks more. When was the last time yiu heard about a Brother being struck by lightning.
 

I used to think that also.
I thought that tornadoes would only hit trailer parks or places where Caucasians lived. But numerically speaking when you look at a racial map of the United States most AfroAmericans are concentrated in such small spots that we aren't spread out geographically enough to experience the same events they do.   But look at the DEATH TOLL of these natural disasters and compare how many people of color die versus how many Caucasians die and tell me if this is all a coincidence.

Again, for the Hurricane to just stand still over those little Black islands like that is NOT a coincidence and does NOT occur naturally, something or S/someones were guiding it.

The powers controling this system have been able to manipulate and influence the weather for DECADES.
 

I think where we can have the most impact is in LOCAL elections.   Electing Aldermen and Councilmen, Mayors, Sheriffs, County Executives, ect.....

The key is to have an AGENDA.
The main problem with most AfroAmericans is that they don't have an AGENDA for the people they vote for.
They just hope they aren't as racist as the person currently holding the seat. 

AfroAmericans need an AGENDA and a VISION of how we would like to see this nation.
Fuck what OTHER people want to see and how THEY think America should be governed, we need to push what WE as AfroAmericans collectively want to see.  And that's often confusing because our community has become so fractured both culturally and morally today.

 

Kareem

Bernie Sanders, who I do not support, but appeared to be the best candidate at that point

I'm glad Bernie is starting to show his true racist colors now. Did you hear what he said about population control and abortion as a solution for "poor nations" ?

Troy

Yes, money has SOME influence on their decisions but it's just a MEANS to a greater end.
Which is power and control.

Shaka Zulu?! Staring David Hasselhoff? Ni99a phulese! Next you'll be citing marvel's Black Panther representation of Black culture.

I didn't say Shaka Zulu represented ideal Black culture, I'm talking strictly about the aesthetics of beautiful African women portrayed in a more positive image.
I've seen SLAVE movies where African women were portrayed more positively and less slutty (vulgar and low class) than most hiphop videos today.  12 Years A Slave had a scene featuring naked Black women in a room being judged and sized up for their fitness as slaves.  Their bodies were naked, unmarked, untatooed, attractive.  No funny faces, gruff voices, violence in the background, and vulgar behavior....just nude African women.
Which is enough for a straight man to love.

Greedy rich white people will do anything for money. White people will murder us at a clip 1,300 (mostly other white people) through the sale of cigarettes -- far-and-away eclipsing opioid overdose by a factor of 7!

The people running the NFL, UMG, Facebook, Phillip Morris, whoever, only care about money. Any harm done to Black and white people is purely incidental. Of course they will use race to keep us at each other's throats, when the need arises, to keep us distracted while they poison us, destroy the planet, and fleece of all our wealth.

If you think it's all about money then you don't understand White Supremancy and how it works.

Again, money is just ONE COMPONENT in the overall objective of White Supremacy, which is to dominate and control non-white humanity.
If it was ALL about money or ONLY about money then why would they object to Bill Cosby buying NBC or Oprah buying ABC. They had plenty of money to do it, but the Caucasians who controled those networks refused all offers to sell regardless of the amount. Because unlike many of our people, they know it's about MORE than just money but about power and control which will bring you MORE money as well as many other benefits.

The Hurricane Dorian situation had me a bit down emotionally the past few days.
 

The fact that this storm roars into a category 5 hurricane and heads straight for the U.S. and then STOPS in it's tracks over the Bahamas and stays there for nearly 2 days before making an "L" and moving north as it loses strength is almost unbelievable.

No one can tell me this was totally co-incidental and simply part of nature.
For one thing, storms don't STOP in the middle of their rack and do a little dance for 2 days before moving on.
Also, since when do storms make sharp "L" movements?
They may curve and make wide turns, but head west only to stop right there on the shore of Florida and then go straight north is almost unprecedented.


Different people have had  opinions and explainations about it from HAARP to climate change, but the bottom line is this Hurricane hit those small Black islands and stood away from Florida as if a shield or force field was blocking it.

When was the last time you heard of these disasters happening in Europe, Canada, or even Australia?

When I look at this ALONG WITH what happened to Haiti with the earthquake and  New Orleans with Katrina earlier, it makes me wonder who is looking out for the African collective on this planet.

Troy

Pointing out the truth about Caucasians doesn't make me a racist any more than a woman pointing out the fact that men are the primary rapists in every society makes her sexist.

Yeah i actually heard these videos before. I was of the impression that racists would sacrifice other whites for their cause not that white people would be lining up to sacrifice themselves. Again, on its face that makes no sense.

It makes no sense to YOU because you aren't a White Supremacist and you don't think like them.
All you have to do is look at the behavior of the poor Caucasians and the over 53% of Caucasian women who STILL voted for 45 and the other Republicans who they know really don't give a shit about them and their stuggles to get a picture that these people are voting for a "greater cause" than their own personal interests.

The ants will sacrifice their lives to maintain the colony and the queen.

What do you think the motivation, for funding and producing this slutty video is for the white people at Universal Music Group?

I BELIEVE (because I don't know for sure) they do it for 2 purposes:

1. To negatively influence the behavior of AfroAmerican youth, especially AfroAmerican girls at a very young age to keep the community destablized and in a state of chaos where the males and females don't trust eachother.
The boys then begin to see the girls as vulgar and shameless "gold diggers".

2. To maintain the negative and hyper-sexual image that AfroAmerican women already have around the world to JUSTIFY further sexual assaults and mistreatment of them by Caucasian men.

While there's nothing wrong with hyper-sexuality in and of itself, when a woman is portrayed AS hyper-sexual then it becomes easier to justify sexually mistreating her....as if she were "asking" for it anyway which is the common excuse used when African women are mistreated.
 

Incase you were building up to asking me what would be a good example of non-slutty female sexuality, I would say the old Shaka Zulu movie that used to come on in the 80s and 90s that featured beautiful nude African women going about their day to day business.

Most of the nudity wasn't sexual but it was African female nudity shown in a very beautiful and sensual way that I still remember and relish. I'm sure it's one of the reasons that movie is no longer shown on television today. 

If you notice television since the 70s, they took REAL nudity off of the television but increased the amount of ghetto trashiness with shows like Jerry Springer and the rap videos featuring ghetto girls in spandex and tank-tops with tattoos all over them either fighting or twerking and being hosed down with champagne.