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ProfD In SOME cases. But in many cases, they do not. Infact...in some cases they actually CONTRADICT it....and eachother. For example, in Michigan possessing Marijuana is legal....but federally it's ILLLEGAL. Make that make sense....lol. See, this perspective is the problem. Not necessarily YOUR perspective because it's common and it's actually what you "supposed" to do. So I'm not criticizing your advise. But theoretically.... This perspective or position is the problem. Why? Because it's not a matter of someone "believing" their 4 Amendment Rights were violated....THEY WERE. And for lawyers, judges, and prosecutors to even sit around discussing this and scratching their heads over it means they're playing games with the Constitution itself and not taking it seriously. I think "bend" is too soft of a word.....lol. In some cases, they down right VIOLATE the Constitution

@ProfD As we talk about laws, judges, branches of government and what is legal and what is not....we both can agree that the U.S. Constitution is suppose to supersede ALL federal and local laws, right? The Constitutions makes it crystal clear in the 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Unless you catch them in the actual commission of a crime, for law enforcement to search ANYBODY or seize ANY property they need warrant first....regardless of any local or state laws that may say otherwise. You don't need to be a lawyer to figure this one out. Nor do you need judges around the country to "interpret" it or declare it legal or illegal....it's crystal clear. Yet in New York the practice of "stop and frisk" by the NYPD was allowed for decades and probably still is allowed despite the many "rulings" by different judges. They're clearly playing games with these laws and using "judge rulings" as excuses for doing and allowing what they want.

ProfD Jesse Jackson said.... "But....we....can't....throw...the BABY...out....with...the.....bath water. Keep hope alive! The...scriptures said...but whatso'eva....you do...for...the least of these....you do also for me. Keep hope alive!" Lol...... We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Far more people NEED welfare than those who are abusing it. Infact, some of those who are abusing it actually need it too....but they just go too far sometimes. Sure we got a lot of scammers out there but the amount of money this nation loses do to welfare fraud is MINIMAL compared to the amount it GIVES AWAY on an annual basis to foreign nations who aren't even citizens or tax payers. It's like punishing YOUR child and sending them to bed hungry because he took a cookie without your permission, but you're throwing parties for other neighborhood children every weekend. You might be making a point, but you're neglecting YOUR OWN responsibilities in doing so. It's obvious that most of these Republicans and Conservatives are just trying to GET RID of social safety nets like welfare and they're USING "scammers" and "fraud" and "abuse" as excuses to justify their callous desires.

As I get wiser, I've noticed that very religious Christian Black people....whether they are AfroAmericans or Africans.....are often pleasant to be around because atleast most of them TRY to do the right thing and live a peaceful life. I'm not talking about those who are just NOMINALLY Christian, but those who are sincere in their beliefs and practices. I don't agree with much of the philosophy obviously, but atleast I don't have to worry about most very religious Black folks whether they are African or AfroAmerican engaging in a lot of the self destructive behavior so many of our people who are NOT very religious engage in like alcohol and drug abuse and thuggish behavior. Not all...or even most ( @richardmurray ......lol.) but too many. So if following the teachings of Muhammad or Jesus will keep you from killing your brother, or fucking your brain and body up with drugs and liquor....stay the course. As far as them being non-threatening to the White Power Structure...... Perhaps so, but how threatening are Black folks who disregard religion and turn into outlaws??? Often VERY threatening...to your own community. If you aren't actively participating in the dismantling the System Of Racism, the LEAST you can do is not be a threat to your own community.

richardmurray I have? Where? Oh Ok.... Well, I can't tell you what to "focus" on. If you're thirsty and I give you a glass of water.... Instead of being thankful; if you want to "focus" on the fact that I didn't fill it up all the way or that I left finger prints on the glass, that's all you...lol.

ProfD Some people work jobs that pay a minimum wage. It is not enough to pay bills and buy groceries. Food stamps supplement their income. Many folks have a job and still live from one paycheck to the next. They borrow money to make ends meet. I know, that's why I said this is how it looks to most people OUTSIDE of America. As American citizens....we ALREADY know what's up. Half of the people working have to rely on government assistance because most of the jobs are unreliable and don't pay enough. But the very THOUGHT of forcing someone who doesn't have a job to begin with....to "work" in order to be provided with the basics for survival is down right inhumane to most people around the world. I find it a bit ironic that for decades when the American family was somewhat intact and the jobs were plentiful and paid well....welfare was also generous. ANYBODY could get an apartment in the projects....single or married....children or none...male or female. ANYBODY could get on welfare and stay generation after generation. As soon as they moved most of the good paying jobs overseas and broke up the family unit to the point where everybody went their own separate ways and you couldn't rely on a father in the home or your children to help take care of you.....THEN all of a sudden they start restricting welfare benefits, limited who could and couldn't qualify to live in government housing and eventually tore down the projects, and started putting limits on who could get welfare. The IMMIGRANTS are able to survive and thrive in this economy because they are still living like OUR people used to live 100 years ago with the extended family all living in one house and pooling their money together.

Well if his plans actually changed from what he REALLY wanted to do....I WOULD be surprised. Meaning.... If he had actually left DC with a sincere desire to help the people and promote progressive policies that would help people of ALL socio-economic stratum...I would indeed be surprised. Him having meetings with Trump and other Republicans, multi-millionaires, and billionaires and instituting polices that THEY favor wouldn't surprise me at all. It was what I EXPECTED from him. Him and his wife are being given the "Kennedy" treatment in the media. Which means they're already grooming him for the Whitehouse.

Huh?????? What???? When have I ever even SUGGESTED that???? You mean you haven't read my frequent references to the System of White Racism that AfroAmericans routinely face, through out my postings on this site?

No, but he had an entire GOVERNMENT trying to take him out.

Now think about that..... People who are so poor that they need to receive food stamps and assistance....are being told they must WORK in order get the benefits! Most people outside of America would reason that if a person had a job and were working they WOULDN'T NEED food assistance to begin with! Reminds me of that scene in Friday when Ice Cube asked his mother for $300 and she said she didn't feel comfortable loaning him the money because he didn't have a job. And he told her that if he HAD a job he wouldn't need the damn loan!

@umbrarchist They had been arranged to have an empty space and there was a LOT of Meat wrapped in plastic. My father had just hired a young Black man as a butcher. Oh! Lol...was my man hustling meat from your father's store out of the back door? If so, what did your father DO to the man??? I just went and got my father to show him. I hope that didn't make you "accessory" to a violent crime. I'll wait for your answer to my question, to find out if it did....lol. So what happened to your father's business? Do you have any other siblings he could have left it to? richardmurray It is interesting you don't use the word powerful, you use smart, like a chessboard game, not power, which is why Black descended of enslaved are here. war is why, war is about power. intelligence has value but it is a bloody mess. I actually use the word "intelligent" more than smart, however me and ProfD have discussed power multiple times through out our dialog in this thread and others. As I said, when it comes to people....power comes OUT OF intelligence. The leader has to be INTELLIGENT enough to organize the people for a valid purpose, and the people he's leading have to be INTELLIGENT enough to follow his instructions properly in order for the plan to be effective. war is why, war is about power. intelligence has value but it is a bloody mess War is about more than JUST power...but it definitely involves power. But you seem to downplay how substantial of a role intelligence actually HAS in both war itself and the power component. Aside from the fact that there's a CIA (Central INTELLIGENCE Agency), in order to effectively fight and win a war you need to gather the proper INTELLIGENCE (information) to know what your enemy is up to and how to defeat them. That takes a measure of intelligence to perform such feats. A bullet can come from anyone. What makes you think intelligence can stop a bullet from a fool ? An INTELLIGENT person will often take the necessary precautions to MINIMIZE threats to his/her safety. Though not perfect, they diminish the risks by using smart tactics like wearing bullet proof vests, using bullet proof shields, and actually using their INTELLIGENCE not to put themselves in situations that make them prone to violent attacks in the first place. In other words, they would do the VERY OPPOSITE of what Charlie Kirk did. did you know black people in the usa were still enslaved to whites in the 1970s? Alice wasn't alone. you make black history in the usa like a fantasy. What to you mean "were""? When did it end? You have HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Black people still legally enslaved in America's prison system. for the record, war is the way whites europeans did it and it worked pretty well from them everywhere in humanity. Cause those other ways you talk about don't get the same results as war based on current human history. What were the ways that I talked about...specifically...that didn't get the "same results"? Were the CONDITIONS the same as when the White Europeans went to war? I know people in many non black immigrant communities. I have not heard them speak of themselves as powerful. It's called "humility"...lol. How many people that you BELIEVE are powerful...actually speak of themselves as "powerful"???? If anything I have heard of them pleading for whites to be nice to them. Which is also....in some cases...a sign of humility and intelligence. They know who's buttering their bread in America and they're kissing up to them. White asians did use war Nate Dogg said: Uh, what...exactly...is a "white Asian"????? , Japan was the only non white european imperial power during the first two imperial white european wars yes? china is a nuclear power, the tides of immigration into the usa that occured after they became a nuclear power is based on that. India is a nuclear power, the indian government never signed the non proliferation treaty, and their immigration into the usa has only strengthened since then. Why do you think north korea/iran are doing it? why do you think israel already did it ? you think gaining a nuclear weapon isn't about war. And yes, once a country has a nuclear weapon it changes the status of that country and their citizens all over the world. that is why Iran wants one so bad, ?????? How does any of this disprove or contend with anything I've said? you would call iran stupid and they should focus on tricking the usa. Huh????

Trump-Mamdani meeting marked by surprising moments of praise Trump-Mamdani meeting marked by surprising moments of praise Ofcourse they're praising each other and holding private meetings together. They're both playing on the same team. I hope all the so-called "progressives" who voted for Handyman are taking notes.....lol.

LMBAO You sent me to bed with that one! You have a wonderful rest of your night my brutha.

ProfD The question is why don't Black folks already have this information. Intelligence. Money is made from products, good, services and labor. Yes. You have to be intelligent enough to produce the products/goods. You have to be intelligent enough to deliver the service. You have to be intelligent enough to perform the labor. And you have to coordinate all of these things to deliver to the consumer in a timely manner for a reasonable price and all of this requires intelligence. But if your brain is all fucked up and twisted from smoking that fake ass weed, you'll find it hard to just make it off of your sister's couch. Power is acquired through various forms of war which according to NF Jr. is an area of human activity. War is A way of establishing power, but not the only way. Many immigrant communities have power in the United States and they didn't get it from war or mass violence. Jews and Asians didn't use war to gain the economic and political power they have in America. I'd argue that war is a rather UNINTELLIGENT way of accumulating power and wealth because it's saying that you're so stupid and unarticulate that you lack the power to persuade people by showing them how this way or that benefits them....so now you have to turn to VIOLENCE to get them to cooperate. Or in many cases as you see around the world, especially under Socialist/Communist Revolutions......instead of PRODUCING something of your own.....you start a war and CONFISCATE goods that have already been produced by industries and businesses. The elders pushing their offspring to get a good education in order to get a job were not less intelligent. The Silent Generation and Baby Boomers didn't see a whole lot of Black entrepreneurs during Jim Crow and segregation. This is why I said it was good for those in the 30s, 40s, and 50s when racism was more overt and White people had a clear and legal monopoly on the economy of America. Yes...it was smart to focus on getting a good education, a good job, and staying out of trouble. But what about today? As adults, they often end up living in the same communities along with the former prom king and captain of the football team who works at the local auto parts store and former prom queen and cheerleader who works at the grocery store Sheeeeyit....that was back in 1985. Today, Jose and Manuel got those jobs...lol.

ProfD Just like everything else, once it reached the judicial level, a judge decided it was wrong. A judge can't DECIDE that something is illegal. Either it IS or it's NOT. Presidents and Governors have the right to deploy National Guard Troops where they please. So I'm not buying that. If what Trump did was actually illegal, he wouldn't have been ABLE to do it from the jump. Like I said earlier, they are simply just reducing the troops because the SHOW is over. Not because some judge told them to. It took that long to go before the court. It didn't NEED to go to court because there was no question about whether or not the Administration could do it. He clearly could...and did. That's like saying we need to go "before the court" before deciding whether or not to send some illegal aliens back home. If they do that...it's a GAME they're engaging in to stall and eventually release them back into the public. Because clearly you don't need a court to decide something the law has made crystal clear. Presidents deploy National Guards all the time for this reason or that reason, and the legality is never questioned. The judicial branch doesn't have the power to order troops be sent home. They can only rule in legality. The judicial branch doesn't determine whether or not something is legal or illegal. The LEGISLATIVE BRANCH does that.....they MAKE the laws. The Judicial Branch determines whether or not the law which has already been made was violated/infringed. Clearly they haven't been OR all the past Presidents who deployed the National Guard for one reason or another would have been violating the law too, and the issue has never been brought up. Commander and chief means just that. We live in a nation with three (3) branches of government..executive, legislative and judicial. I understand that. Again, the judges don't make the laws....they only determine whether or not they have been violated or infringed upon. There is no law saying the Commander and Chief can't deploy troops. Someone has to bring that case before the court before a judge can decide it. The decision has been made already. We have the right. No need to "renew" something every few years that is constitutionally guaranteed to us. There is a separation of powers between the branches of government. They each have a role to play and a process to follow You mean they each have a role to play in the GAME they're playing on the public...lol They're PRETENDING that they are at odds with eachother when they're really all on the same page and have had this planned out months if not years in advance. There is no confusion as to whether or not Trump has the legal right to do what he's doing. He clearly does.

Who said they were so "innocent"? For all we know, butterflies are just caterpillars who were slick enough to disguise themselves in wings and antenna to get out of paying credit card debts and car notes...lol. "Man...... This plan better work. Or I'm moving to Guatamala"

ProfD Financial success leads to the same thing in other areas of life. Success breeds more of it. Men don't make a lot of money chasing women. However, a man with a lot of money can have plenty women. I think you may be conflating FINANCIAL SUCCESS with SUCCESS. They aren't necessarily the same thing. Remember, success is simply getting what YOU want in life and accomplishing the goals you set out to accomplish. For YOU...success may be mostly financial and see women and social relationships as a given bi-product of YOUR success. For others...their idea success is having a 3-some every night with the women of their choice, and wealth is just ONE MEANS of achieving THEIR success. Juvenile said: U understand? Their main focus is on the coochie....not money. If money, a nice car, nice clothes, or a good pick-up line is going to get them the coochie they want...then.... You see where I'm going with this. The point was that rich and powerful men do not promote women as integral to their success. They don't have to. For most heterosexual men, having women is a given PART of their success. That's why it's common for most men to have TROPHY WIVES. An attractive woman hanging on your arms is a SIGN of your success and achievement. The operative word being *good* which in this case can only be defined by the woman. Agreed. And my point remains, most women desire a GOOD man....whatever he's "good" at, lol. I think you're overlooking the fact that Oprah is already a multibillionaire. No politician or government official can double or triple her net worth. They can certainly PROTECT it and keep it from being taken from her by frivolous lawsuits or trumped up criminal charges that not only threaten her wealth but her very freedom. Remember Bill Cosby TOO was (is?) a multibillionaire. His money alone wasn't enough to keep him out of jail. He needed more legal help or maybe a friend in high office to pardon him or toss out the charges. Nobody is above needing help. Oprah has enough money to see the best doctors on the planet. She can buy a hospital. She doesn't need a man's help for anything. You're being figurative. I'm being literal.

ProfD Most Black folks stressed the importance of getting a good education in order to get a good job. Which is understandable. Especially back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s where the opportunities for TRUE independence were much more limited and Whites pretty much had a LEGALIZED monopoly on land and business ownership in most places in America. But after the 60s when we had a LEGAL RIGHT to open up our own businesses and buy up property pretty much anywhere we pleased..... How many Black folks work in Black-owned hospitals, banks, engineering and accounting firms, shipping and receiving, trucking, etc.? How many Black owned hospitals and banks do we have? I know of one Black owned bank in Detroit. As far as Black owned engineering accounting firms and trucking industries...I don't know of any. Maybe @umbrarchist can start one....lol. However if they DO exist and Black folks aren't working for them in the numbers we would like, the question should be WHY NOT? Are they PAYING as well as the White own firms and offering as many BENEFITS as those White owned firms? All things being equal, I personally would take up to a 20% pay cut just to work for a Black owned company who treated me with respect, in order to see that firm prosper. However a lot of our people aren't into making a whole lot of sacrifices in the name of "keeping the dollars in our community". We have to learn to offer the same or even better incentives White people offer if we want to keep good employees. Look at money and power too. These are just BI-PRODUCTS of intelligence. Money doesn't grow wild on trees like leaves. It's produced by those INTELLIGENT enough to produce it. Power doesn't float around in the air waiting for you to stick your arm out and grab a hand full, it's established through organization by those INTELLIGENT enough to organize it and carry it out! You can't have a powerful community if the leaders are trying to lead people too stupid to follow basic instructions. Tyrone Muhammad tells you to boycott certain businesses because they disrespect Black customers, and you got people sitting up here asking: "Ok..... So if we boycott their businesses right.... Can we still go in and buy something as long as we don't say hello or talk to them? You know... Just strictly business...buy what we need and leave????" They were usually drowned out by crowd pushing for get a good education and a good job Intelligent people, drowned out by those who were less intelligent...lol. Think of how the smartest kids in class were often clowned on and picked on by the class clowns.

ProfD Unfortunately, entrepreneurship is not heavily promoted among our people and often times frowned upon. Most of our people are taught to get a job or career working for someone else. Do most of our people work for others because they were TAUGHT this, or because they INCLINE towards it? Yet again, INTELLIGENCE becomes a factor we have to look at. Not sure about you, but since I was a kid I've heard Black folks give speeches and rallies ENCOURAGING Black folks to own their own businesses and work for themselves and build schools, hospitals, farms, own their own homes, etc.... This message has been made crystal clear for decades now. Perhaps the problem isn't in the TRANSMISSION ...... but in the RECEPTION...lol. "Say what??? What'cha saying nigga? I can't understand you! You talking funny, maaaaayne! I don't speak the same language as broke ass niggaz!"

ProfD Religious folks are indoctrinated and radicalized into believing they are dying for a greater cause and will be rewarded on the other side. Makes sense. ....your explanation, that is. frankster It is Usually done in Protest Against Injustice or what is considered evil... It is also done to Inspire....Action I myself would rather fight.. I understand the desire and even need for fighting in SECULAR terms. Fighting as an individual to protect yourself and your family; which is a basic human instinct. My question is, why would people organize and try to fight or kill thinking they're doing it for an Almighty God? My logic and reasoning tells me that an Almighty God is far more than capable of killing those that They want killed. They don't need humans to do it for Them.

ProfD Ask a man like POTUS OJ if any of his wives contributed to his success. Wait for the amswer. Don't interrupt. If he pursued them....and got them...then yes. Their contribution to his success is self evident. Maybe not his financial success but his sexual/social success. Rich and powerful white men are rarely shown with their wives if they are even married at all. To the contrary, even GAY rich and powerful White men often pretend to be straight and get married to women to give off the "mature" and "morally stable" image that matrimony provides. A lot of women do not want to be defined by men. I don't blame them. I'd go as far as to say that MOST women don't want to be defined by men. However there's a difference between wanting a good male companion in your life and being defined by one as if you're "nobody" unless you have one. The fact is, most women DESIRE a good man in their lives whether they actually pursue one or not. Oprah is a multibillionaire. Only another billionaire could help her get more than she has already. Or a very powerful politician with connections. A high ranking member of the FCC could actually help her reach higher goals, if she had higher goals. Infact, as she advances in age....having a mate who is a good DOCTOR would be beneficial to her! Nobody is above needing or being able to use help. Again, these successful women do not think they *need* a man. Years ago, I had a cousin who moved up from Georgia with her kids into a cheap house she was able to buy in Detroit for $50. It was in the straight up hood and some of my male family members offered to stay with her for as long as she needed to make sure she and the kids were safe. She kept turning them down because she didn't think SHE *needed* a man either. ....I HAD a cousin from Georgia.

Here we go with the bullshit........... Judge Says Trump’s National Guard Deployment In Washington, D.C., Was Illegal 1. If it was "illegal" for him to deploy them, they why were they ALLOWED to deploy in the first place? It doesn't take 2 months to figure out if something is actually against the law or not. 2. It's my understanding that some of them are STILL there. So it it's illegal...why are the troops that are still there being allowed to stay at this very moment? 3. What kind of nation do we live in where ONE judge says something is ok and ANOTHER judge on the other side of the country says it's not. There are THOUSANDS of judges in this nation. We can play this game with just about any law or action. How about a judge declaring it illegal for all Black people to be imprisoned because of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation? How about a judge pull THAT one off?

Now wait a minute.....McButterflies MIGHT bring be through those golden arches....lol. I wouldn't mind trying a Butterfly Flavored Milk Shake.

ProfD Black folks do not have a monopoly on undermining each other in the workplace. Certain types of jobs lead to backbiting and other tricks to get ahead. While this is true, there's a key difference that both you and I know when it comes to intra-racial conflicts. White people will fight eachother tooth and nail BUT when a Black man enters the room they will often put their differences to the side and unite to deal with HIM before resuming their attacks on eachother. With a lot of our people...it's the opposite. When 2 niggaz start going at it with eachother it's often ruthless and no holds barred and they could care less how many White folks are standing around watching it for their amusement. If you just took a roll of toilet tissue home from work 3 years ago, they'll be up in the manager's office telling him all about it and offering dates and times hoping they can find video footage of you caught in the act...lol. No sense of "unity" or "comradery". Creating an economy is no small feat because it would require coming up with something *new* and controlling the entire chain from production to distribution. So what's stopping our people from establishing a national or even global Soul Food Restaurant chain or Black hair product distribution chain? Indians came way over from India and establish nearly a monopoly on 7/11s and motels...lol.

ProfD She's already a successful politician without needing a man's help. Ofcourse. I'm not suggesting that she NEEDS a man in her life to be successful because she obviously doesn't. But my point is the RIGHT MAN will make her MORE successful. There's is little doubt about that. They are known as POWER COUPLES and work together SYNERGISTICALLY. Just like 2 heads are better than one, when 2 intelligent people who love eachother work together in harmony to achieve an appointed goal...their efforts will usually yield MORE than twice the amount of success that each of them would have produced individually. When it comes to the success produced by a strong marriage built on love and intelligence, the WHOLE is greater than the sum of it's individual parts. People hardly ever say, if that man locked arms with the *right* woman he would be more successful. The Nation of Islam constantly teaches the men this, and many fundamentalist Christians, Jews, and Muslims teach this as well. They teach that a man isn't "complete" unless he's married and that marriage brings out the best in him and mature him. I personally believe SOME men are better off married and SOME men are better off single, but to be fair...most religions push marriage off on men as much as they push it off on women. Your scenario paints the picture a lot of women work hard to avoid. If they have to work THAT hard to avoid it, perhaps they need to stop avoiding it...lol. Perhaps it's trying to get their attention for a reason...lol. It may be their CONSCIENCE talking to them and telling them that whatever they're striving for, they could get it much faster if they had a good man in their life that they could depend on to help them. If you think about it, that's just common sense. Not that you NEED it, but who couldn't use more help to get where they're trying to go? Oprah could use more. She doesn't need it.....but she could use it....it wouldn't hurt. Degree of success can be debated but it differs from one person to the another. Facts. Not only the degree but SUCCESS ITSELF and what it means to be "successful" also differs from person to person. For some people, success means finally learning how to roll a blunt while driving. "Jeez.... Never thought I'd be happy to get caught by a red light!"