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ProfD Sure. Especially men who don't attract women naturally. As it SHOULD be. Every man ain't "got it" like that. A lack of financial security makes all of that harder to obtain & causes unnecessary stress. In this society, yes.

frankster Psychology, Human Development, Sociology and Philosophy Can you provide proof or strong evidence of dark skinned Black women who having HAD low self esteem finding more love for themselves and raising their esteem from the study of these disciplines as taught in Western Academia? Which is what I am and was saying or meant by "all tones hues and shades". See, and THAT'S one of the problems. You want to include ALL hues and shades and I don't. Now what did you mean by "medium"? These colors: These are medium brown skin colors found through out the Black American and sub-Saharan African communities. Some Africans are lighter than this....usually through admixture, and many are naturally darker than this. But these are shades pretty much in the middle. Did you actually mean "average"? I guess you can call it that too. Another term for it would be "brown skinned". or where you agreeing with me? Not when you include the yellow, white, and tan/olive skin tones. They already get enough representation as it is. What shade is the norm in our community? When it comes to skin color, I don't like using the term "norm". It implies that those NOT of that color are AB-normal. Again what really are we disagreeing on or about? See the above. You keep trying to include ALL colors and EVERYbody. Just like you want to make ALL people African....lol. The problem is to teach to hate dislike fear and to find black skin offensive disgusting or revolting... Which is why we must teach the opposite. I would teach the Truth....we all beautiful But that wouldn't be the truth....because not everybody is beautiful. That's like saying everybody is good or everybody is smart; we know this isn't true. We should promote all forms of beauty No! White and lighter skinned people don't need any more promotion for THEIR beauty. We need to promote DARK beauty for a change. Yes if we do what you are suggesting that will be the result....We are divided NOW Because of it. Actually, we are divided now because of the OPPOSITE. The colorist division that exists in our community comes from too many of our people thinking that White and light is superior and better and more attractive. It comes from many light skinned people thinking they are superior, smarter, and more beautiful simply because they look closer to Whites. And you are now suggest we do the same but directed to another part of our community. I'm suggesting that we BALANCE things out. When a scale is LOP SIDED and NOT BALANCED....you don't add weight to BOTH sides of it! You add more weight to ONE SIDE until it is equal to the other. Well at least you see part of the problem with your suggested idea. Yes, and I also see the problem that comes from it NOT being implemented. .....the long lasting problem of letting self-hatred fester and not be addressed or resolved. Yes The Universal Standard is Symmetry and Balance(phi/Fibonacci) Symmetry and balance are the NATURAL standards, but not necessarily the Universal standards. Why must it be competitive as in "most beautiful"? 2 Reasons: 1. Because competition is human nature. 2. Because unlike ATTRACTION....beauty is subjective, and must constantly be affirmed and standardized to maintain any legitimacy. The Standard is already Universal...It is not so-called Racial or Ethnic. If that Standard were Universal....we'd find those same standards among all or atleast most peoples around the planet regardless of culture or contact. The fact is, beauty....unlike attraction...is largely CULTURAL and is maintained through culture and indoctrination. One wonders what do the women of the am*zon Indigenous tribes think of Black men since they've rarely come into any contact with let alone indoctrination from the outside world. ProfD There's no shortage of brothas with unattractive, overweight white women. That's one of the points I was making. Maybe those overweight White women ARE attractive to the bruthaz they are with. Maybe WHITE MEN consider them unattractive, but BLACK MEN may find them VERY attractive. It's interesting that you prefer petite, feminine Black women but if you had to take one of those white women it would be the thicker one. I prefer thick or voluptuous women over skinny ones of any race...period. But that being said, every day I see petite slim women who I find very attractive. What advantage does a white woman gain in being with a Black man? According to many of them, a better sex life and being less controlled and domineered. Instead of focusing on the superficial i.e. looks, Black folks should be trying to figure out how to build & connect with each other in order to own sh8t & amass wealth. But at the end of the day, sex and....as Jay Z would say...WHO YOU WIT'.....is one of the major goals. One of the reasons men GET money and wealth and try to make something of themselves is to attract more women. That's the purpose of much of it. Take the female and sex factor a way and what are you doing with the money? You got a big ass house....a mansion....and nobody in it but you.....and a tube of Vaseline....lol. Sex, health, food, land, weapons to protect them.....these are some of the REAL wealth. Financial security is just a common means for attaining them.

ProfD Man, I've seen this dude on youtube a number of times but didn't really look into him much until YOU said something about it. When I first saw him, the first 30 seconds of seeing him reminded me of Malcolm X! It wasn't him holding his chin with his finger to his temple like Malcolm, which I guess he is trying to make HIS signature pose, but the way he had the cameras angled up at him and the way he's stare out of the side of his eyes through some old fashioned horn rimmed glasses. I thought it WAS some sort of AI of Malcolm being remade as an advanced older age version of him. When I realized it wasn't, I said, "This dude has been sitting up here watching Malcolm X videos and is trying to imitate him" I don't know whether to be outraged or impressed, because he's got the mannerisms down pat. Just when I begin to get angry, the question comes...where is the AfroAmerican version of a Malcolm X wanna be? Where are the BLACK MEN...even African....who are trying to dress and talk and act like Malcolm, like this dude? I can't get too angry at the White dude for doing it if we don't have any Black ones trying to fill the void.

That reminded me of the late great Robin Harris when he would talk about how "holey" somebody's shoes and clothes were....lol.

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ProfD Those African nations chose to make unfair deals for themselves with oppressors. Unlike the United States, where regardless of what they say or how much they complain about it...the majority of the people (White people) agree with any shady deals their leaders make.....I can't say it's the same with African nations. So when you say those African nations choose to make those unfair deals, we should understand that you mean the LEADERS of those nations...not that most of the PEOPLE necessarily agree to being sold out. Rich in natural resources if the 53 African nations worked together they wouldn't need outsiders. Facts...big time. Although I'd exclude about half a dozen or so of those countries...lol. I wouldn't suggest working with Algeria, Sudan, Tunisia, Mauritania, Morocco, Egypt, or even Somalia. Some rotten apples will spoil the rest. No time to be dealing with racist Arabs and racist Black folks who hate their own and don't even want to be Black. Burkina Faso's Ibrahim Traore is trying to break out of the French stranglehold on his country. We're going to have to keep an eye on that dude, because there are a few things I find questionable. For one, he's clearly MILITARY oriented...which means he believes power and success comes from maintaining military control and possibly violence. Also, it seems as if he wants to replace a lot of American and French businesses and military commerce with Russian businesses and commerce. Replacing one White colonialist with another isn't the way to go. Especially after seeing how the Russians did Venezuela and is doing Iran.

ProfD No doubt. It takes the *right* man & a lot of patience. She may need a "perfect" man, with the patience of a saint...lol. That's one *excuse*. Most often, dark brothas want the lightest woman they can get. It doesn't get any lighter than white. It's an excuse, but a lot of times it's valid. Same with dark skinned women. I've noticed over the years that a lot of dark skinned Black people seek comfort and "love" from White people and the White community that they seemed to not have found among their own. A lot of dark skinned....especially skinny....sistaz say they got with White men because Black men didn't want them. I can't say they were lying. I passed up a lot of slim dark skinned females back in the day. Totally ignored them. Not even on my radar. Now nearly every dark skinned woman gets my attention, initially atleast. Especially if she speaks with an accent...lol. And when I say dark skinned I mean DARK..including jet black. I was watching a movie last night starring a sista who was not only very dark but slim and actually had a bald fade, and made-up with a scar on her face....and was STILL sexy as fuck. Jodie Turner Smith But this is how she usually looks, with hair....lol. Then, those brothas feel 1) validated from any childhood trauma as a result of being dark & 2) *won* in the system of racism white supremacy if the white woman looks good. I've heard over and over about how Black men get with "ugly" White women or White women that White men don't want. In my experiences and observations, this is only true when you're dealing with bums and homeless people....or street people. Other than that; most Black men with White women are with the type THEY find attractive. For example....... If I HAD to choose a White woman, and had to choose between these two: I'm gong to pick the one on the right. Most White men will think the blonde one on the left looks better but ME and most Black men feel the one on the right is more attractive. We like what WE like....and a lot of White women began picking up on that in the 70s and 80s and used it to their advantage. Straight from the proverbial Willie Lynch letter, colorism has done a bang up job on many Black folks. This is true. Perhaps some would argue that the ideology I'm promoting in this thread is a product of Willie Lynch. Turning the "light skinned slave" against the "dark skinned slave" and vice versa. However the division is already there and the preference for light skin in the community already exists, so how else will this be reversed and our collective esteem be raised UNLESS we promote dark again?

They'll put Black and Brown people in meaningless and powerless positions all day long. Shuffling them around. Hire some....fire others....pay them some peanuts and give them a few perks. Things you do to simple little kids, to keep them occupied. But when it comes to MAJOR real life things involving ground breaking technology and the future of humanity (especially White humanity).....no time for game playing. Get a proper talking White man...preferably White Anglo-Saxon of middle to upper class background....to handle it. From time to time I think of that episode of Sanford and Son when Fred preferred a WHITE dentist over a Black one...lol. He said a brutha is alright for a drinking buddy, but when it comes to a doctor he preferred a White one...lol.

Interesting how a place with so much continuous war and violence is called "The Holy Land".

ProfD Black folk don't really have to trust &/or deal with Iranians or Arabs either. Black Americans generally don't have to. However some of our brothers and sisters in Africa have to deal with Arabs as their only source for communications, fuel, and technology outside of their nations. It's a shame. For some of them, their only choices are the European oppressor or the Middle Eastern oppressor.

I'd like to see one of Malcolm X and Marcus Garvey both in their prime but presented as current.

ProfD If a Black man steps up & loves that woman...problem solved. If... But if "if" were a "fifth"....a lot of people would walk around fucked up, lol. How can a man love a woman who really doesn't love herself? Because of her low self esteem, she will act in a way that PREVENTS him from "loving" her and getting too close. Entertainment & religion both try to get people to see themselves & each other in a better light. True. Also, it brings out the "child like" raw emotions that make people vulnerable to influence. Dark-skinned should be leading the charge in keeping themselves pumped. ....instead of trying to marry as many White or light people as they can and "mate out" their dark genetics, like so many of them do. A lot of dark skinned bruthaz get with White women because of how the sistaz treated them in childhood. frankster Educations is more than Intellect and Reasoning True, but those are the primary factors for education. Depends on what she gets a PhD in... Lol, ok...... So what PhD program do YOU know of that will correct the low self esteem of growing up as dark skinned Black female in this society? I think the word "medium" was a mistake and you meant to type "focus"... If that is what you meant then I disagree... Then you run the risk of the other hues tones and shades developing that which we are trying to Eradicate and Elliminate No, I meant medium. The point isn't to simply promote jet Black people as ideal. That's not realistic because the majority of our people (African people) aren't jet Black. The goal is to promote the "norm" with in our community. The HISTORIC norm....not the current "norm" which involves a lot of admixture. We should be promoting Black people who look like Black people have traditionally looked through out time, and that ranges from medium brown to very dark brown (almost jet black). That is true It is also true....that each individual is born without real cognizant memory of the past - and hence must be indoctrinated introduces socialized or taught about these things. While you're correct....THIS society as it is currently constructed IS teaching many children to cherish and desire white and light skin and hold it as the standard of beauty. We don't have to worry about that. This is why there must be an active campaign to teach the OPPOSITE in order to balance it out. It's not like from history up until now CLEAR people were being promoted....so now we must promote the various hues of light and dark. Light skin has BEEN promoted and is BEING promoted. We don't have to worry about them having a seat at the table, lol. Sounds reasonable.... But I would I would not recommend such actions To be honest, I'm still not completely sure if we SHOULD right now. It would undoubtedly lead to more division in the community and we'd have to weigh THAT against how long it would take to see the benefits of it. The benefits may take a generation or two, but the division and backlash from not just light skinned AfroAmericans but even brown and dark skinned AfroAmericans who would take offense to their light skinned friends and family members being "shaded", would be seen immediately. I have no problem with promoting "Black and African is beautiful".... But not to the point where one may come away with or begin to believe that white indian or asian is ugly. We all Beautiful....Vareity You're right, there is beauty in variety. However when it comes to culture and society....there is usually only ONE established aesthetical standard. One for males. One for females. ....everyone is measured against that. So if YOU don't promote YOUR OWN as being the most beautiful or as being the standard, then another group will surely promote THEIR OWN. ....and your children and their children will be forced to live with it. Currently, it's about White skin and blonde hair and blue eyes. But think of one generation after another of Black children growing up sad or angry or resentful because their skin ain't yellow and their eyes aren't slanted. If SOMEBODY has to be the standard of beauty, I'd rather it be US and not somebody else.

If I had a major media outlet where I could speak freely to the public, I'd be asking........... 1. Why do we need $200 billion more for a war conflict we "already won", according to the President? 2. Doesn't the Pentagon and Department of Defense have it's own money? Every department has it's own budget, so why does it need more funding from Congress? 3. What does MAGA and other Republicans who support Trump think of this, after he ran much of his campaign criticizing Biden and Obama for getting America in costly foreign conflicts around the globe? These are the questions TRUE opposition would be asking. But we know most of the opposition is controled anyway.

And let me guess without even doing any research.......... He was a White man. It's interesting to me that no matter how "integrated" out nation has allegedly become, there are still certain positions that ONLY White men hold. Government UFO research and other clandestine operations are just a few of them.

ProfD Lol....man, where do you come up with these lines?????

The media is really playing this incident up every chance they can get. It happened nearly a week ago and major publications are still reporting on it like it's fresh news.

frankster The Best way to destroy colorism is through Education Not so fast.....lol. An argument can be made against that being the "best" way........... Colorism isn't a LOGICAL issue that can be resolved simply by appealing to people's intellect and reasoning. It also involves deep seated psychological and emotional factors that are often found in people's subconscious. If a woman feels that she's ugly or undesirable because she's dark skinned and has been bullied over it since childhood....getting a PhD isn't going to help resolve that issue. Black history course alone will not be enough to resolve her issues. This is why ENTERTAINMENT and RELIGION must also be incorporated in healing and repairing the damage. These are activities that involve the emotions at a deep level. Create systems that promote celebrate and reward all skin tones hues and shades... No, medium and dark skin specifically. We've had hundreds of years of a society and media promoting white and lighter skinned shades. They're going to continue to do so. We...as Black people....need to COUNTER that with the OPPOSITE. Saturate Mass Media with the Spectrum of all shades ....as equally as possible. What you're saying SOUNDS fair...but it's not. When things have been so lop sided for centuries....equality isn't "fair". The OTHER side must be given priority for a period of time to balance things out. This is the reasoning behind Reparations. AfroAmericans need EXTRA and MORE than the Whites in order to REPAIR the damage and balance out the historic injustices. So the logic goes with promoting dark skinned and other African featured standards of beauty.....AND HANDSOMENESS. Dark skinned Black men with strong African features have also been shaded in this society for a long time. Not as much as women...but still. We should also know that a lot of the colorism in America today isn't coming from the Whites OR the AfroAmericans, but from immigrant groups like Latinos and Asians and Indians.

ProfD Again, I'm glad FBA/AfroAmericans are staying on the sidelines when it comes to these conflicts. I wish more of our African brothers felt the same way. I got into a back-n-forth at work today with an African dude who sat down in the lunch room with his eyes all red and juicy about what was going on over there. He kept asking me don't I feel sorry for the children over there though? I asked him did the Arabs or Israelis or Iranians feel sorry for HIS children being killed in the civil war he has going on in his country? He wouldn't answer the question. Just kept staring at his cell phone and then looking around staring into space, with his eyes still juicy. frankster Radicalized. They better watch out before it leads to being EULOGIZED. They have provided arms to some African countries who are freeing themselves from European Neocolonialism Or fueling the fire for them to kill eachother. How many "neocolonialists" (Europeans by any other name) have YOU heard of being killed by any armed African group lately? Many of these armed rebels are greedy gangs who are being armed and funded to fight their own governments and maintain instability in the nation. What News Out let are you listening or viewing? is any of your news feed Black African own? What news outlets do YOU suggest I listen to where I can see and hear Africans who are outraged over the West's attacks in Somalia and Nigeria?

ProfD A lot of people who have children in poverty come from a religious or "culturally" religious background. 1. They think abortions and birth control are wrong and immoral. 2. They believe that if they have children that "God" will take care of them and make a way for them somehow. It's hard to convince them otherwise because it's culturally ingrained.

I had to do my research right quick...lol. After seeing that video from 1979, at first I thought it was the leader who was just assassinated. I knew he was up there in age, but to have such a long grey beard nearly 50 years ago??? Now I know they are different. ProfD Iranian Muslims know Black folks have been oppressed by the same enemy. Their objective is to avoid being imperialized . I don't trust the Iranians. A lot of those Arabs (and I know Iranians don't consider themselves Arab) and other people from the Middle East may offer kind gestures to Black folks or talk about racism, but THEY are just as if not more racist than White folks from the West. They don't want to be imperialized as a nation, but THEY are often oppressive to their own women and minorities in THEIR countries. Ofcourse what America and Israel are doing is on an imperialist tip to maintain control over the land and resources. However those people aren't saints either. If they weren't fighting with America or Israel, they'd probably be fighting with their Arab neighbors....like many HAVE been doing for hundreds of years.

ProfD As an elderly person, he was afraid to get the virus & die. We see how that worked out His desire not to get sick is understandable. However as much as he taught us about the tricks of the Racists and how they like to poison and experiment on our people, I still can't totally understand his reasoning for taking it. But alas....he is no longer with us. And it's not up to ME to understand what HE does with his own body and free will. I still respect him and the valuable lessons he taught us.

Neely Fuller Jr. also got the vaccine. I bring that up to say, Neely Fuller Jr.'s words aren't holy scripture....lol.

To get the nation out of the Great Depression, one of my favorite Presidents.....Franklin D. Roosevelt......implemented community service projects and conservation and agricultural project to employ low skilled and unskilled people by the millions and used government funds to pay them decent wages and raise them out of poverty. My Father remembered some of these projects. There were "work camps" all around the nation, including down south....employing a lot of Black folks.

Sometimes you have to get in where you fit in....and start where you are. Neely Fuller Jr. taught us this. He reminded us that even the little racist in a minor role still PLAYS his role and DOES his part in promoting the ideology of "white supremacy". He may be an employee at the customer service desk at a grocery store....but he'll use his job to give the White customers a full refund and give the Black customers a hard time if they try to return something without a receipt. She may be a meter-maid for parking spaces....but she'll use her job to pass out as many parking tickets as she can to the Black drivers, lol. It may be small ball, but atleast you're PLAYING BALL...even if it's just in the minor leagues.....lol.