Pioneer1

Again....... It seems as if you actively deny the stereotypes that portray Black men in a good light. Like having a big penis or being good sexually or being very masculine. You readily point out that these traits can be found in men of all ethnic groups. Yet when it comes to White people you have no problem showering THEM with positive stereotypical attributes like assuming Italian men are "stallions" and the blond White women exemplify "beauty".

You're correct. Technically it's not part of the doctrine....which focuses primarily on the existence of Deities; however most atheists declare death as the end of personal existence which includes all forms of consciousness. Many agnostics seem to lean towards that belief as well. Non-existence is the conclusion their pattern of logic takes them to.

I read a report that it wasn't shown in South Africa.

Man.....that is one CUTE little woman. When Trump and the other Republicans pick on her, I have to wonder if there is some sort of deep seated attraction going on. It's hard to believe any straight may would have such vitriol for a woman like that.

Troy Did you take high school biology? Do you know what X and Y chromosomes are? Can you PLEASE produce data showing that GENDER specifically biological or genetic? That's a clear and concise question...lol. I’m gonna take a page out of pioneers playbook and relate an experience I had on my job. I knew a white guy from South Africa. He was explaining to me how his ancestors built a life in South Africa. I didn’t particularly care for the guy. He struck me as low-key racist, but any right, I said hey you’re an African-American. He said no I’m not, almost as if he was insulted. I thought that was kind of funny, but I did not argue the point. This isn't a problem UNLESS a society's thinking and vocabulary is limited. I personally have 2 definitions for the word "African". Not one...but 2. One is racial, and the other is regional. African 1: A person from the continent of Africa African 2: Any person predominately of sub-Saharan African descent regardless of where they reside on the planet By my first definition, that may would absolutely be considered an African American (if he had American citizenship.....lol). By my second definition, no he wouldn't.

ProfD Yep. Free from dealing with the BS that comes with this existence. I suppose it would sound like we're going in circles if I ask if they supposedly unconscious during a coma then how can they "enjoy" their freedom....lol. However I think you understand the point I'm making. Whether that lack of consciousness is due to death or a coma, certainly they aren't EXPERIENCING their restrictions or limitations anymore...even though technically their bodies are even MORE restricted...but from an atheistic point of view they supposedly don't experience ANYTHING. So how would they even KNOW they're free??? As NF Jr. might have said...you would have to ask them and wait for the answer. Don't interrupt ....unless I already KNOW the answer, lol. If a person is too stupid to provide the basics for their own sustenance, they are going to snuggle up to and obey anybody who can. Those people are putting themselves in prison or h8ll on purpose. I wouldn't call it "hell"; however it could be a "prison" of sorts. But some people are INSTITUTIONALIZED and relish being in "greater confinement". Their basic needs are taken care off and they have very few responsibilities. They don't even have to think for themselves, just follow orders. Living on the "outside" was a little too much for them. Like Brutha Baines from Malcolm X told the other prisoners: "If you had to provide three meals a day and support yourselves on the outside you'd slit your own throats. So you let HIM feed you, tell you when to go to bed, tell you when to wake up, and sit when HE says sit." Nah. If the NDE was so great...go back & stay there Lol, it's not always their choice. If you belong in another country, you can't even stay in AMERICA for a long as you like...lol. Why would you be able to break the rules of the Spiritual World and INSIST on staying as long as YOU want? These are HIGHER BEINGS you're dealing with...not other humans. Think about ants in your house trying to tell YOU what part of the house they'd like to occupy and for how long...lol. How convenient. Forced to come back to suffer From what I gather, they come back for 2 reasons: 1. For loved ones....usually people dependent on them like little children...whom they WANT to come back for. 2. They have an unfulfilled mission that they must accomplish. Another excuse. A whole lotta folks cannot wait to get away from their spouse, significant others, kids & family members. ...hey, humanity is on the spectrum. Some folks KILL their children. Others will die FOR their children. That is definitely the party line. Everyone claims it was beautiful. Not one of them said f8ck it and jumped into the grand canyon They don't know what kind of punishment may be waiting for them on the "other side" for doing so. If these Higher Beings told them it wasn't their time and sent them back, it would see they would instinctively know they will be a consequence for trying to end their lives early. That's not to say a person should never consider suicide to escape an extremely unpleasant situation. Everybody's tolerance levels are different. But why take unnecessary chances?

The thing about it is..... Niggaz live all over Georgia, not just the ATL. That's just the biggest CONCENTRATION of Black people but I've been around Georgia enough to know there's a sizable Black population in every region of that state. Down in Albany, and especially in Savanna along the coast. A lot of the Black population are transplants and aren't inclined to be politically active in the state. They come from California, New York, the Midwest....and don't care about the local politics because they don't see Georgia as their natural born home. PROFESSOR GRIFF lives in Georgia....lol. How the hell you gonna have a racist Republican governor in the same state Professor Griff lives????

Well, if it's like THAT where you live then uhhhh, brace yourself because I'm....

Stacey Abrams should be governor of Georgia RIGHT NOW. The party should have gotten behind her and she should have fought tooth and nail for that office. Maybe she'll run again, who knows??? SHE should be the one demanding investigations into voter fraud.....of the Republican districts. I'm definitely not a Republican but this is one of the reasons I couldn't be a Democrat official. They don't believe in fighting dirty. They have adopted that Michelle Obama: "When they go low we go high" bullshit....and end up getting tripped.

ProfD I need proof. Based on MY definition of Magic....which I think is one of the better definitions....the proof is self evident. Again, Magic is high science that has yet to be accepted by Western or contemporary scientific institutions. Once a method or ritual is proven and put down into a formula...it's no longer "Magic" but science. Your computer and the internet would be Magic for those who know nothing of the internet. It would be like a crystal ball that one could peer into for all types of information. I totally understand where you're coming from though. Either something IS or it's NOT. Word salads and trying to pour syrup on shit don't turn them into pancakes....lol. Medicine can be proven to be effective not to mention the trials & hurdles it has to go through before we can use it. The covid vaccine has been accepted as medicine although it wasn't proven to work. Then you have the placebos. These are sugar or salt pills that scientists and doctors KNOW are inert and don't work in and of themselves. What works is the MIND or BODY and those pills influence the mind. Whenever magic make life a paradise on Earth for ALL Black people; free from oppression, pain & suffering, maybe I'll feel differently about it. Lol.... There are some Black people who don't need to be on that type of Earth. They'd try to fuck it up like they fucked up their lives and environment before. They are trouble makers. Tupac wondered if Heaven had a ghetto. If it did...would it still be considered "Heaven"?

Lol....so you're STILL not going to tell me what you do for a living, huh? You're doing SOMETHING to keep that mind of yours occupied, lol.

ProfD Still free...for good. Is a person in a coma, free? If happiness & comfort is dependent on others, I can see how it would be prioritized over freedom. Correct. If a person is of limited intelligence (actually everybody's intelligence is "limited" to a certain degree) and can't provide happiness and comfort for themselves or even provide a basic living for themselves....then what good is THEIR freedom? For example, men & women will languish in bad relationships that are prison-like because they are comfortable & too lazy to get out of it Facts. Many would rather put up with abuse than be alone. Others are afraid of the thought of being independent and having to provide for themselves, so they tolerate abuse. Many young bruthaz are shacking up with women they don't like but these women are providing shelter and support for them. The people that have had NDE (Near Death Experience) always claim it is so peaceful & beautiful they didn't want to come back to this existence. Yet, none of them ever seemed to be in a rush to die. Actually, some of them HAVE been what one would consider "suicidal" for a time period after their NDE. They had mild suicidal ideation where they would consider it because they were longing to go back to that state of existence. But they realized that they were eventually going to go back their anyway they decided not to ruin it by ending their mission on this life early. Many of those who have NDEs talk about being FORCED to return because they had a time period that must spend in this life. It wasn't their "time" to leave this Reality yet. Others are given a choice and choose to stay to help out family and raise their kids. Nearly all of them agree 100% and whole heartedly that what they experienced was not a dream or fantasy but even MORE real than this Reality.

Make sure your passport is on your person or in a secured location before they seize that too. Georgia is supposed to be having a gubernatorial race in November so hopefully yall will get a Democrat Governor who will put an end to those type of shenanigans or atleast provide enough pushback to not make it worth the effort. Georgia and Atlanta is the Black economic capital of the United States. There is no reason that state should be governed by redneck conservatives.

They can have eachother as far as I'm concerned. Although I don't find her ugly, I think Nicki is freakishly weird and fake. I work around women fresh out of the continent of Africa as dark as Trump's navy blue suit who are 10 times more attractive than she is and exude far more sensuality and femininity naturally. They aren't dressed up like wanna be high class call-girls with fur coats and shit, rolling their eyes and flinging their hair all over the place. For years and years when I saw women like her and Lil Kim dressing and acting like that on television and real life and wonder why are they acting that way? Who told them that was sexy? Like those long ass eye lashes (cum catchers.....lol); who told them THAT shit was attractive? I don't know any bruthaz who told me they found women like that sexy or attractive or ideal. Then all of a sudden I realized.....they weren't doing it for us. Sistaz who dressed and acted like that were often trying to attract NON-BLACK men. Then it made sense. They're trying to give NON-BLACK men what they think they like.

I don't think you or many people realize how they sound when they say things like this. It's a window to the subconscious of how so many of our people think. Calling Italian men "stallions" as if they are the epitome of masculinity. And calling blonde White women "beautiful" as if THEY are the epitome of femininity and beauty. Most Italian men....especially over 30...tend to be short, fat, and hairy. Most blonde White women tend to have the same physical features that other White women have except for maybe a larger percentage of them have blue or green eyes. But these are stereotypes that are pushed in society. Many of our people have these images and beliefs etched in their minds whether they express them or not and it plays out in their behavior and social interactions with eachother. There is no doubt that AfroAmerican male and female relationships are often strained in this society because subconsciously many of our people don't like themselves or eachother and are only together RELUCTANTLY. She'd rather be with an "Italian stallion" than be with that dark skinned kinky haired brutha she's hanging out with. He'd rather be with a "beautiful blonde" than married to that dark skinned sista with the kitchen naps he sees laying over on the couch. People TOLERATING eachother but secretly desiring to be with people they THINK are more attractive/desirable.

Maybe they were constipated.

I forgot about this conversation I had years ago too....lol. I'm glad Troy dug it back up. Whether it's a good or bad thing I'm not sure.......lol....but it reminds me of how "consistent" my thinking is on certain subjects. BTW...... I haven't and I don't know of anybody personally who has....atleast ADMITTED to me....that they "experimented" with homosexuality. Homosexuality isn't something most people experiment with. It's like experimenting with eating shit....lol. You don't do it because you not only have no desire to do it but actually have a strong aversion to it. I'd imagine most men have no desire or curiosity of having a dick up their ass...lol.

Troy Why are you introducing the "government" into the picture now Mr. Strawman. You keep calling me "Strawman". But this ain't The Wiz....and I ain't Michael Jackson. Sure, but it is certainly enough to easily absorb the current immigrant popular and more -- it that is what we wanted to do. The LAND is big enough to hold the people but not the infrastructure. There aren't enough schools to properly educate all of the people in the U.S. There aren't enough hospitals and medical clinics to properly treat all of the people in the U.S. There aren't enough jobs to properly employ all of the potential workers who are now in the U.S. The immigrant population PERIOD....both illegal and legal...are straining the system and breaking it. You completely ignore the fact the people actually generate resources. It is not a zero-sum situation -- think increasing the size of the pie. The question is are they PRODUCING more than they are CONSUMING? And another question is where is much of their production going? Besides goods and services, most immigrants are working and producing/making money as you suggest. And this is good for the economy EXCEPT for the fact that a large portion of that money is sent overseas back to their native countries, and not circulated in this economy. Consider this in your analogy: Did you know that approximately 50% of the PhDs awarded in the sciences go to foreign born students? That tells me that that TWICE as many Americans would be earning PhD's if foreign students weren't taking their spots in those programs. You're looking at it from a purely humanist point of view of: Who cares where they come from, if they're smart enough to get the degree let them come in and get it. I'm looking at it from a nationalist point of view: America should take care of America FIRST and make sure the needs and most of the want of American citizens are taken care of and THEN we help others with our surplus. Once ALL Americans who are qualified to earn a PhD can go to school and attempt to do so....if we have any spots open THEN foreign students will be allowed to participate. And this rule should be incumbent on all Universities both public and private.

Most of the Bible was actually written for Caucasians....not us. It starts off with the history of ADAM (White man) and his descendants and how they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden (Africa).

They tried to insinuate the same thing about Malcolm X. They're trying to smear the reputations of these men and assassinate their character to make Black and Civil Rights leaders look immoral. They claim they are adulterers. They claim they are Communists. The claim they are homosexuals. The list goes on and on. Where is this information all of a sudden coming from 20, 30, 40 years after the fact??? I don't believe King was a womanizer like that. He may have had an affair....he may not have. He's not here to tell HIS side of the story.....so his enemies are telling it. Too late. If the information didn't come out while they were living to address it, the it's not credible. At this point I REFUSE to believe ANY malicious information about Malcolm X or Martin Luther King produced after their death.

frankster Africans come in various forms.. True. But at what point does a person STOP being African because there is little to no African blood running through their veins? The Racial Caste System is rooted in the idea of fomenting Intra-Racial Discrimination and seeming Privilege. True. In a Social Pigmentocracy Black American and AfroAmericans are the same Ofcourse. Because in the System of so-called White Supremacy, ALL non-White people are the same regardless of color, shade, or degree of admixture. However as AfroAmericans we can't afford to let others....especially our enemies...label or categorize us. The Racial Caste system led to the development in the African community of discrimination based on skin tone shade or complexion - as in colorism shadeism and featureism True again. Part of the problem is in the English racial caste system (which America followed) they lumped everybody together and CALLED them "Black" regardless of the degree of Black ancestry they actually had. The Spanish racial caste system was a little different where they actually made a separate races for their mixed offspring -Mestizo or Mulatto. Actually this was more accurate. Some say it's more divisive, but actually....the divisions exist between mixed race people and Black people REGARDLESS of what we want to call ourselves. Many if not most mixed people think they're better and often relate to White people more than unmixed Black people. They think they look better and think they are smarter, and a lot of Black people feel this way also. Calling EVERYBODY "Black" and lumping everybody into the same group was a formula for confusion. Your emphasis is on complexion....as the main if not the only deciding factor. How do you know? I take in ALL of the obvious phenotypical feature into account, not just skin tone. Actually calling someone "Black" or "White" to denote their race does this very thing! If I went by complexion alone, I'd be calling all albinos White....lol. To me Black as in people usually refers to.....Descendants of EnSlaved Africans in the West While Afro Which really references an Hair texture that is Natural or common to people of African descent or mixture. Both terms are in a sense appropriate I prefer to called descendants of Western enslaved Africans Black and all others Afro-Americans or add their nationalities as a suffix VGQ (Victim's Guaranteed Qualification) Here is where problem can arise. Africans who lived here in West and are not descendants of slaves but came direct from Africa as free persons and remained are then called what? In my opinion, THEY should be the ones called "African Americans"....lol. What are White persons born and bred on the African continent for generations then called? Squatters....lol. Delano I don't have bandwidth to play Blacker than Thou. But you have the bandwidth to insinuate that MLK was a homosexual? Troy That is scientifically false. If it is, then produce data showing gender's "genetic" foundation.

The problem is when there is so much hate being spewed at her not only online but from the Whitehouse and Congress, ofcourse some nuts are going to feel emboldened to try something. MAGA is inciting this type of violence. I like how our petite little sista balded up her fists and charged at the fool like she was ready for some action. .....then called him ugly, lol.

You claim to disavow racial stereotypes....but then you engage in them by promoting the idea of the "Italian Stallion" This is what I'm talking about...... Black male sexual superiority is questioned and in many cases downplayed and dismissed....especially by other Black people ironically. But the idea of a "Latin Lover" or an "Italian Stallion" is a welcomed stereotype that society not only promotes but embraces. When the idea that Latino men or Italian men make great lovers or are sensual is presented, where is the push back and accusations of stereotyping???? I guess it's only a stereotype when it's something that benefits US. But if it benefits the image of White men, it's renowned. BTW.... Italian men are promoted as sensual and sexual in the WHITE community because subconsciously the White community is fully aware of their distant Black ancestry. An Italian man is about as close as a White woman can get to having a "Black stud" for a lover while he's still classified as White.

Is it a matter of proof or acceptance? Medicine may be accepted without being proven to actually work. Magic may be proven to work and effective, but still not accepted for either religious or skeptical reasons.

I guess it's just my ego. BTW.... You made great points on that Quanell X thread. I decided to take it down since the theory was rather baseless and as you pointed out....he claimed that Biden resigned. When I first heard it I thought he said that, but then I thought I misheard it and that he was talking about him declining to run again.