Pioneer1

In the teachings of the Nation of Islam, the question is asked can you reform a devil....the answer is NO. Based on my observations there are 2 types of Racists: 1. One is a Racist BY NATURE 2. One is a Racist BY CIRCUMSTANCE/ENVIRONMENT I believe programs like Sesame Street are effective in reforming the latter Racist, but not the former. His racism is part of his very nature and is.....for lack of a better term...GENETIC.

Update.............. An Indiana man has been charged with voluntary manslaughter for fatally shooting a cleaning woman who mistakenly went to the wrong home, prosecutors announced Man charged in fatal shooting of cleaning woman who accidentally went to wrong home "voluntary manslaughter" WTF?????

ProfD Well, whether or not "greed" is necessarily a bad thing is another subject that deserves a thread of it's own. Kind of like whether "jealousy" and "insecurity" are necessarily bad, however....... The problem is capitalism feeds human greed in such a way that only a small percentage of people get to enjoy a vast amount of wealth. The pro-Capitalist would argue if it weren't for the system of Capitalism, not only would that small percentage of people not enjoy a vast amount of wealth but NOBODY would enjoy it because the system that produced it wouldn't be around. They'd stand at you with their hands in their pockets and smile and say, "This large percentage that you speak of who are not enjoying that wealth wouldn't have been enjoying it ANYWAY, so they shouldn't be jealous and angry over something they wouldn't have had anyway." Misery tends to love company. Go to a poor country where EVERYBODY is poor...and most people are smiling and happy and playing music. As soon as they see you come there with wealth, then the music stops playing and the smiles turn upside down...lol. Then the kidnapping plots start. Then the ransom notes get drafted. It wasn't NOT having it that bothered them. It's seen YOU WITH IT that bothered them. Biggie Smalls said, The same ones who roll blunts wit'cha....as soon as you get something....be them same ones who wanna grab their gats and come git'cha....lol. Apparently, for thousands of years, the wise people have not been able to appeal to the greedy people. TRULY wise people didn't try to...lol. A person who is TRULY wise knows that a person's vices have a way of consuming them. They know that if a person is too greedy, given enough time their own greed will lead to their downfall anyway. The greedy people enrich themselves by keeping the population just healthy enough to trade their labor for wages. In some cases..... Now a days many of them aren't even bothering to do THAT. They're letting people die and IMPORTING more cheap labor in by the millions to take their places.

I was hoping that they would go further into it in this video but it was only 10 minutes so I guess it wasn't designed to go into too much detail; however I heard or read somewhere that introducing the MONSTERS of different colors and features was designed to combat racism as well. Instead of making monsters scary, they made them friendly and intelligent. It was designed to have the psychological effect of conditioning children to grow up accepting those who look different regardless of color or other features and not be afraid of them.

Pork is very cheap. Always has been. I think it's about the cheapest form of meat in the market. Someone claimed the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that White folks wanted our people to eat pork so badly that if we actually got together and stopped eating it they'd start GIVING IT AWAY TO US FOR FREE, just to get us to eat it. There's a reason why. And it's the same with this "dollar menu" garbage you see being pushed by McDonalds, Taco Bell, and these other fast food merchants of disease and death. Anytime you see these people pushing certain products and foods and lowering the prices to encourage it's consumption....there's a nefarious motive behind it. Like you said in another thread, they get profit from treating the symptoms instead of curing the disease. Now take that a step further and recognize how they CAUSE the diseases in the first place. The intelligent ones of our community have actually been knowing this for DECADES now. "Always knew that I would clock gee's But welcome to McDonalds can I take your order please Gotta serve food that might give you cancer Cuz' my baby don't take NO for an answer" "Fast food got them feeling sick Them crackers think they slick By trying to make this bullshit affordable"

Troy The move for Black people is not to embrace the same f'ed systems greedy white boys use to exploit the populace (winking at Richard). We desperately need to do things that will serve us. This is true to the nation in general. This presumes there are no greedy Black men standing in line and ready to take the place OF the greedy White boys...lol. When you say we need to do things that will serve us, keep in mind there are a lot of exploitative Black folks inside of that "us" who love how the system operates. The ONLY problem they have with this system is that they aren't PART of it to the extent they want to be. ProfD Black folks don't have to use technology in the negative ways that greedy people do. "Black folks" and "greedy folks" aren't ANTONYMS....lol. Like Troy's....your statement presumes that there are no or very few greedy Black folks with the same motive. Actually, what I see as a bigger problem than using social media for greed and exploitation is using it for crazy 'hood shit and violence. An increasing number of people are using social media to set folks up for robbery and just in general trade threats and meet up to commit assault and murder! White folks control power, money and technology. Black folks are dependent and defenseless. Not a great position. As I mentioned earlier, a lot of this comes from laziness and apathy. The FCC rules and regulations notwithstanding......nobody is actually STOPING our people from establishing television stations, news papers, radio stations, and INVENTING other forms of technology to communicate with eachother. National television stations....though not as interactive...is just as good if not better at mass communicating ideas and important information than social media. We are a very creative people, why wait on White folks to let us in to a market when we can innovate one ourselves? But it start with DESIRE, and that's the issue. Laziness....lack of motivation....that comes from being happy and satisfied to get what White folks are offering. Power move? Ownership? The average Black man/woman (especially women....lol) is very happy to participate in all of the latest forms of social media that White people control whether it's Meta or X or Instagram.....doesn't matter. You want to see them crying and upset? Let them get kicked off or suspended or thrown in "facebook jail" for a few days where they can't come on and talk the usual trash. A lot of these nigga sit up with their arms folded and cry like babies because some White kid in a cubicle somewhere deemed their content "inappropriate" and suspended their account. Trying to OWN that platform or making some "power move" to prevent this from happening is the FURTHEST thing from their minds. Ownership requires THINKING and MANAGEMENT and takes a lot of the "fun" away. They'd much rather beg and plead with White folks for an "opportunity" to participate on their platforms. It requires no type of thinking or planning.....just log in and start running your mouth, showing out, and making threats against your opps...lol

Is the problem Capitalism? Or is the problem immorality and unethical business practices? We talked about wisdom in another thread. There's a difference between being CLEVER and being WISE. We know that the current elite believe there is more money in treating people than curing them. They think they are clever for building an entire economy on managing the "symptoms" of problems instead of solving them. However WISE people know that there is faaaaar more money and other benefits to be gained in actually curing people and better yet PREVENTING most of these diseases and other problems in the first place. A healthy stress free society is FAR more productive and innovative. With the trillions of dollars the leaders of this world have already WASTED trying to reduce the population through diseases, wars, criminalization, and other means....they could have invested that same money in incentivizing people to terraform other planets, EXPAND the human population, and expand the economy which would have yielded TRILLIONS in profits!

frankster Those were things I observed....even as a kid...of how closely Arab men would keep an eye on the females in his family. If she were working in a store or gas station _____________________________________ First of all you rarely saw Arab women AT the store or gas stations their men owned or worked at You just didn't see them. They'd be at home or back in the Middle East or somewhere other than where YOU could get to them...lol _______________________________________ But if you DID happen to see one....she kept her mouth shut and didn't make eye contact with any of the American customers. And if on the RARE occasion you got close enough to say something to her or ask a question, she'd look at you funny and immediately look over to or for the nearest Arab man and let HIM to respond to you. He'd stand there answering ANY question you may have had for her....lol. And WOULDN'T walk away and leave her alone until YOU left the store or gas station! I saw this multiple times as a KID, how they interacted with Americans....Black and White.

ProfD By the time a human reaches 25 years old, they should have enough knowledge to pursue independence. It takes more than mere knowledge, it also takes a decent paying job with decent credit and credentials. Now a days just to rent a ROOM in most cities they require almost as much money and credentials as it used to require to rent or buy a HOUSE 50 years ago. Prior to the 90s, you didn't have to have good credit or be on a job for a certain amount of time just to rent an apartment. They didn't care about your criminal background on most job applications. But now....especially with the influx of immigrants....there are so many workers per job to fill that they have to make up reasons to deny people employment and sift through the applications. By the time a human reaches 50 years old, they should have some level of wisdom. You're being too generous....lol. I'd say by the time a person reaches 40 they should have SOME LEVEL of wisdom. Now obviously it should increase with age. In the 1st sentence the question is asked what percentage. 2nd sentence reads like you already have the data. What did you say about intelligence and wisdom??? Well, I'm over 50 and I've been paying attention, I should have SOME knowledge to show for it....lol

....since when has THAT stopped 'em?

ProfD Some have entertained the idea that the so-called "New Black Media" are actually being funded by Conservatives or some right-wing group to distract Black voters and pull they away from the Democrat Party. Even if they don't get them to vote Republican....just pulling they away from voting Democrat ensures a Republican victory. When I used to listen to The Black Authority....when I USED TO listen to him....I sometimes got that impression. So you raise very good questions. They'll beat up on the Democrats all day and call you a "shill" if you fail to be as hard on them...yet they don't tell us WHO we should vote for. For a long time, they didn't have ANYTHING negative to say about Trump. As was before....they wait until the man actually get's elected and sits in office BEFORE they launch any criticism of him or question his motives. Uncle Phil Scott was the same way. No talk of Republican racism until AFTER the elections are finished and people have voted already.....THEN you start doing stories about MAGA racists.

Well, when they TOLD you that, were Black folk 1st class citizens? ....case closed. Ok, and now that Latinos, Arabs, Asians, and other groups are here what class has Black folks "settled" for? .....case closed. Lol...how many times do we need to "close" this case????

frankster Jealousy is not always a bad thing....neither is being insecure Both are means use by your subconscious mind to tell you something is not what it appears to be... How you react or interpret that information is what makes it beneficial or detrimental. I honestly didn't look at it from that perspective. Understood... Timidity is being cautious...scared is being extra vigilant So long as neither stops you from taking action to confront and recognize the cause. This reminds of the old saying that courage isn't the absence of fear...but rather doing what needs to be done DEPITE the fear. Not letting the fear overrule you or prevent you from taking action. True....that is his responsibility to protect and secure family This is why I have a measure of respect for jealous and protective men. I'm from Detroit and I remember when the Arabs and Chaldeans first started moving into the city in the 70s one of the things I noticed about them that stood out more so than the Black or White Americans...was how protective and "suspicious" the men were by comparison. Even as a kid I noticed how they would make sure they were always near their females and didn't let them talk to other races of men. How their women would look around at them and buck their eyes or look the other way when men of other races would try to talk to or joke around with them. ....for good reason. Because usually no matter where the Arab man was....if an American man said something to an American woman...he usually popped up out of nowhere to respond or answer the question! And didn't walk away and leave until YOU left. It is My opinion that one should be able to trust his woman to handle certain situation in a manner that makes you and herself happy I feel this way too. Part of me says a man should trust his woman to handle this situation herself, yet another part of me says if you want to KEEP her you better put her on lock...just like you do your car, house, and anything else you value...before somebody else comes along and takes it away, lol. Envy is an feeling based in lack Facts. But the fact is.....if you don't have it you don't have it. IGNORING the fact that you don't have it won't bring you any closer to having it than mere ENVY, lol. So if you want it....perhaps acknowledging the fact that you want it, don't have it, and are envious MIGHT motivate you into action to get it. I first evaluate her reaction. Exactly. I expect certain men to do certain things, but it's HER REACTION that I'm checking the most.

ProfD Only difference is, most Black folks who do this KNOW they're still a nigga and rarely get it in their minds that they are the "same" as White folks. These other non-Whites....most of them actually think they ARE White. Not just "closer" to White...but ARE White. Especially the Indians. Some Asians like Koreans and Japanese think the are just "honorary" White folks but for some reason....as soon as they get over here some of the Blackest Indians will start parting their hair sideways and calling themselves "Caucasian"....lol. Think of the House Negro who reasoned that it was better living in the attic of his Massa's house, wearing second hand clothes, and eating left over food from his Massa's table.....than living in his own log cabin, eating beans and hog guts, and wearing rags that his wife has to patch together to keep his dick from hanging out while working....lol. Sometimes you have to look at things IN CONTEXT and don't let perfection get in the way of progress. If you'll recall, not so long ago I pondered the idea of AfroAmericans accepting legal "second class citizens status" if it GUARANTEED us a solidified socio-economic spot above every other race and ethnic group in the U.S. except Anglo-Saxon White folks. It's not ideal, but it's better than being last.

ProfD Talk about being a mind reader.......... When I first read your post I thought it was in response to MY giving the recent military actions in Venezuela that Trump has been ordering without Congressional approval. Then I notice you don't quote me as usual and when I went back up and re-read MY post.....I realize that I hadn't mentioned it. I was GOING to offer those boat attacks as recent examples but for some reason didn't do so. Maybe was distracted with something else at home...lol....but I left it out; however YOU obviously were up on what's going on over there. I've also read rumors of the U.S. military preparing for an imminent GROUND invasion.

@frankster POWERFUL analysis

Some National Guard troops being withdrawn from Chicago and Portland, official says The Trump administration sent the troops to those cities last month, saying they were needed to support domestic immigration enforcement personnel who were being confronted by activists and protesters. However, the troops never joined immigration operations in those cities because of lawsuits challenging their deployment. Some National Guard troops being withdrawn from Chicago and Portland, official says -Yeah right......"lawsuits" stopped him from actually deploying troops to crime ridden areas or helping round up illegal immigrants. Since when did Trump or any other president let "lawsuits" stop them from deploying troops to do whatever they wanted done? They sent in the National Guard to KILL people in the Los Angeles riots. The Army and Marines too. Like we suspected. A fucking dog and pony show.

Focus on the first 12 minutes of the video.....the rest of the video is just Tariq clowning on the caller...lol. Tariq basically says the same thing I've been saying and stressed with richardmurray a few days ago about Mamdani's being elected as mayor meaning little to nothing to us as AfroAmericans and probably will cause more harm than good for Black New Yorkers. He also touched on how Indians came to Africa and exploited it.

ProfD There is nothing to gain in taking another man's woman. 1. If that was his GOAL....to take "his" woman...then that was the gain in and of itself! 2. As you've so often said before, people don't OWN eachother...so is that really "his" woman; or is she a free woman who can make up her mind as to who she wants to choose and be with moment by moment? A man's energy is better spent increasing his own wealth. In your and my opinion, yes....however people tend to have their own goals. If HIS particular goal isn't to increase wealth but to get THAT woman he's had eyes on since 9th grade....and he finally has an opportunity to snag her, then in HIS mind his energy is best spent chasing after her. It's best to not get involved with a woman who's not truly on the team. No stress. Some men learn that as they get older, some men don't learn it at all. Some men actually like the chase and the psychological games of trying to "win" her over to his team. It is unproductive. People cannot own each other. See....you just backed up what I said earlier about people not owning eachother. However FEAR is a powerful motivator. If you have wealth or women and don't want to lose them....FEAR and the prospect of getting hurt will prevent a lot of men from attempting to take them from you. A man should do whatever it takes to mske himself more attractive. More importantly, he should pursue women who are genuinely interested in him. You'll get no arguments from me on this. However if she's genuinely interested...he shouldn't have to pursue for too long...lol. Men don't have to be jealous or insecure if they are with women who are genuinely attracted to them. Unless another man she's ALSO genuinely attracted to also comes along...lol. Now you got competition. Depending on where one lives, works and plays, they can be around the same people of the opposite sex for many years without getting physical. Ofcourse. But proximity is the biggest factor. Most boys find their girlfriends...not at some public playground...but as school. Most men find their wives...not at a club or bar...but at work. Again, this is why most men from eastern cultures keep their women AWAY from working jobs and at home.

Troy Another reason the Dems will prevail in the midterms... But does it really matter? If both of them are ultimately playing for the same team, what difference does it make to the progress of this society WHO prevails? Republicans get in office and fast forward the agenda....Democrats get in office and slow it down....Republicans get back in again and speed it up...Democrats get back in and slow it down. But it's the SAME agenda going in the SAME direction. Neither party is actually REVERSING it or REPLACING it. When I was kid you could buy all sorts of candy for a penny. They are already penalizing people at McDonalds by making it a policy NOT to deal with pennies anymore. Now they want to "round off" the change they give back, lol. More confusion. Can you buy anything for even a nickel today? Get rid of those too. Who still carries currency anyway? The only time I carry currency is when I play poker and spend the winnings The problem I see with this is its one step closer to going to a cashless society. Next thing you know they'll be getting rid of dollar bills or making it illegal to actually POSSESS one. The way things are headed, be prepared to PAY TAXES on your poker winnings because the only form of payment will be one that leaves a paper/digital trail....lol. ProfD The people who work for government definitely know what it means especially when they're sitting home or going to work and not getting paid. But that's by choice. Not THEIR choice but the choice of those in government who....like I said...TARGET certain programs and sectors to shut down while allowing others to operate. While they were shutting down air traffic controllers....post offices stayed open and the mail continued to get delivered. The average American doesn't have a strong knowledge of US government or Civics. Facts. And they play on....and prey on...that fact. But at some point COMMON SENSE should kick in. Anybody over 30 should be questioning how an actual modern GOVERNMENT could actually "shut down"....like it's a Dairy Queen, lol. Common sense would invoke such questions, instead of just going by what you hear on television or read in some social studies book. Hopefully, the people most adversely affected by the shutdown, losing paychecks, SNAP benefits, rising prices and goofy Republican policies and actions, will remember all of it during the midterms and 2028. That gives Democrats enough time to get their messaging right and field strong candidates, charismatic and capable enough to carry and deliver it As I asked Troy, does it matter? Would it make a difference? Good cop vs Bad cop....both of them are playing for the same team. We had Obama and Biden in the White house.....what difference did either one of those two make in terms of reversing what Bush or Trump did before them?

Troy Jealously and insecurity are human emotions nothing is inherently wrong with them, but like all negative emotions including hate, fear, envy, etc we should try to moderate then. I would argue that although these are STRONG emotions, they aren't necessarily negative emotions. It depends on their origins, context, and how they're used. A man COULD use being jealous or envious of another man to take HIS woman and money....or use those same feelings and the energy they invoke to get an even MORE ATTRACTIVE woman and MORE MONEY than the man he was jealous of. I believe as humans we were given all of our emotions....including jealousy and envy....for a reason. If a brother greets your woman with a smile while you are standing there, do you fly into a rage or are your pleased that she was greeted in a friendly manner? I wouldn't fly into a rage over such a minor act; but depending on WHO that brother is and especially HER REACTION to it....it may be a cause of some concern, lol. If a brother KNOWN to try to snatch up every woman he comes across for the fun of it smiles at my lady a little too long I would notice that and be on alert. And if SHE starts slobbering and acting bashful over his greetings as if she's being tickled by it...that TOO will put me on alert...lol. Do you later give her grief, or slap her around, for encouraging the brother or do you think homie was a friendly guy? I don't slap women around, however as I said....depending on HER REACTION and how often this happens...I would probably consider LEAVING her. I don't like dealing with the stress of wondering whether or not my lady is cheating on me. In this type of society women are too independent and we spend too much time away from eachother for me to keep an eye on her all day....so if I know she's prone to that, I just wouldn't have her as a "main". ....a SIDE DISH maybe....lol....but not my "lady". ProfD As @Troy alluded, those are negative emotions. Usually points to deeper issues within that individual. They may indeed have issues going on in their lives. Yet my question remains...WHAT'S WRONG with them being jealous and insecure that another man may take what they have? Perhaps their insecurities are JUSTIFIED. Perhaps he's deformed, or sexually dysfunctional, or struggles with some sort of addiction and feels that at any time his woman may be unsatisfied with him and may leave him for a "better catch". Wouldn't it MAKE SENSE for him to be insecure and jealous when other men she may like, come around? People don't make the best decisions based on their emotions. While this is true, there is usually a THOUGHT that preceded those emotions....and THAT'S what a person should pay attention to. An emotion is simply a REACTION to a thought. But the thought itself may be justified because it was brought about for a reason. You have a woman who is YOUR woman...but for the past few weeks she has to get up and go downstairs to talk to somebody every other night at 2 and 3 in the morning. She gets off of work at 5 pm and usually comes straight home....but for the past few weeks she's been coming home at 10 and 11pm at night and doesn't even have an excuse for doing so. That's enough to make the AVERAGE man a little "emotional"....lol. You'd be a fool not to suspect SOMETHING strange is going on. Jealousy and insecurity are not traits that enable a man to provide for and protect his woman, children, family, village, etc. I'm not sure about insecurity but I do believe JEALOUSY would definitely enable a man....atleast provide him with the energy and motivation...to protect his woman, children, family, and village. Jealousy is a sign that he really loves or atleast desires the object OF his jealousy and would do almost anything to keep it....including fight and kill for it. Show me a man who never gets jealous over his woman and I'll show you a man who DOESN'T HAVE a woman....or can't keep her long because another man who actually DOES want her will take her away...lol. A man should have the mental and physical abilities to handle his business. No time for jealousy and insecurity. In fact, a strong man (mentally & physically) doesn't have to worry about his woman leaving and/or another man testing him. A strong man can easily find another woman. They are attracted to him. You're speaking in idealistic terms....not necessarily realistic. Besides, most women in this society who cheat...don't seem to choose the mean they cheat with based on their strength. Mental or physical. The fact is, based on my observation....most cheating occurs by simple ACCESS. They more you're around a person of the opposite sex the more likely you are to have sex with them as you get to know them and know more about them. Many Arabs and people in very religious cultures have BEEN known this for centuries....which is why they usually keep men and women who aren't married to eachother SEPARATE. They don't work together or even go to school together. They know things will just "happen" between men and women.

Not only are they.....as Professor Griff would say: PAWNS in the game ...what virtually NONE of these non-Whites understand is that they are caught between two opposing groups of White folks with conflicting ideas and agendas. The wealthy elite Whites brought them into America for cheap labor and to act as buffers between them and AfroAmericans. That's who sponsor them and that's who support them. The poor and working class Whites feel they are taking their jobs, ruining America with their foreign cultural habits, and generally hate them and want them gone. This confuses the shit out of most of these non-Whites because they feel that White folks love them one minute and hate them the next....lol.

Troy Because we are not animals Oh??? Some of us aren't? and many of us have some modicum of self-control. It seems your expectations of humans is pretty low. Depending on the human, when it comes to sex....yes. Infact, depending on SOME of the dudes I've seen...my expectations of them are actually pretty HIGH. I EXPECT for them to try to screw any woman they can have 5 minutes alone with, including female relatives. If I go to a family reunion and see some of the characters I know leave without hitting on ALL of the females he comes across there...although I think it's a GOOD thing, I'm still a bit disappointed that he didn't do exactly as I expected of him. Virtually all the women I interact with are classy enough not to raise me suspicion of sleeping with my son -- especially if I'm dating them. I don't have a son, but I would hope they would also respect the code implicitly. In today's society, especially in our community for those born after 1970...there IS no "code" of ethics or conduct that most of us honor outside of the code of basic humanity that is given to us through human instinct. I'm in my 50s and most of the women I kick it with are over 40. If I bring them around my family (I generally don't hang around 20 and 30 year olds so the only time I really interact with them is at work or at family get-togethers) the young men usually find them attractive and I see them giving them the "eye". Besides most women just naturally not finding younger men attractive (..though some do) what really keeps them in check is knowing ME and how I am and how protective and territorial I am. But the women I kick it with AND the men of my family know this about me, so they don't try anything while I'm present and evidently don't try anything behind my back either....lol But FEAR is the "code" they respect. Not some arbitrary ethical code regulating who they bang or refrain from. Now you raise an issue with "class." Clearly everyone in this story were of a lower class. Perhaps in these social circles one need to worry about children hooking up with stepparents. I call this "ghetto mentality." Ok. But they are still part of society.....a huge part of society. We're talking about humanity, not simply "upper class" humanity....so my points should be considered valid. That you @Pioneer1 you might be watching too much step-mom porn No need to. I saw and in a few cases EXPERIENCED so much MILF as a younger man, porn of THAT scenario just doesn't do it for me....lol. You have to feel for boys who find out that the ONLY reason they have any "friends" who hang around them is because their step-mothers and REAL mothers are freaks...lol. ProfD How do you define intelligence? The ability to learn, understand, and retain knowledge. How does one gain wisdom? There are multiple ways, but since YOU don't believe in the supernatural I will say: Wisdom is gained through the proper understanding of knowledge through observation and experience. A whole lot of women are classy. Just a matter of being in the *right* environment. You're right to say it depends on the environment because "a whole lot" is a very subjective figure....lol. But what I really meant by that question was WHAT PERCENTAGE of women in today's society would actually be considered "classy". And then ofcourse, we'd have to define "classy". Right. Trailer park mentality would be the white version of it. Yes, but as I said to Troy....that's increasingly COMMON today. Which makes my point valid. Just because something is vulgar or uncouth...doesn't render it invalid or mean it's not common. A LARGE percentage of women have little to no class today. They don't even know how to SIT in a chair when they're wearing a dress...lol.

ProfD Right. A man should be secure enough within himself and be able to decern that foolishness. I thought discernment was more a matter of intelligence/wisdom than self-assuredness. Bottom line is most men don't have grown azz sons living with them. Otherwise, it would be too much of a reminder that he failed as a parent Excellent point! This was the first time I actually heard someone give THAT perspective of having an adult child still at home, however it makes sense. Classy women don't entertain those situations Lol....but how many women ARE classy?