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ProfD Somebody needs to tell YOUR beloved Cynique....that if she doesn't like America....nobody is making her stay here. Somebody needs to tell her that if this nation is so terrible, she can sign her social security checks over to AALBC Inc., pack her bags, and search for the promise land....lol.

frankster But I do... I know. And your lack of support for improving the self esteem of our future generations is beyond sad, it's pitiful. With a focus on "medium"....that is just pure fork tongue double speak No, what that is is called "poor comprehension skills" on your part. When you're confused, sensible things often don't make sense. I see you... But that's the problem. You don't really see me....lol...it's the substance you're smoking. Instead of reading my words properly, you're seeing visions and images of people. A win is a win....whether you like it or not. What I'd "like" is for you to have a proper understanding of what the word "win" means. Perhaps you'll use that link to the dictionary that you provided and look the word up and see how THAT definition differs from YOUR understanding of it. That is an investment whose returns are often not as immediate and direct as money would like.....but if he or she lives in this society - then it not a lost. The lottery money goes to ward many socially goods and services. Social services are not "wins"....they are BENEFITS. Being compensated is a win... Being compensated isn't a win, because there was no contest. A win is only in the context of a contest. Compensation is just being paid for the effort you put in or having a wrong made right. If you did not see....then I cannot show you. And if I didn't say it in the first place, you can't show me either. cool....i am wasting your time You're not wasting my time. I find you and your conversation quite entertaining at times....lol. I no longer wish to waste anymore of your time....on this topic - as you will not accept the information from me No I accept information from you. I just file much of it away into a particular category, lol. If you are going to deny what you obviously posted....And I quoted for you - then there is no use in continuing I'm not denying what you quoted of me. I'm denying what you ACCUSED me of saying....which you couldn't find a quote of....that I promoted medium brown over Black and dark skinned. There you go...I knew you could not comprehend deep complex conversation.. Somewhere in some institution, there is a patient in a padded room who says the same thing. Thanks for the admission It's not an "admission" because no guilt was implied. It's simply an assertion. Choice and Preference is different from denial of promotion based on shade.... True, however I do want to be clear that when I say I wouldn't "promote" her....I'm not talking about promotion as in a raise in pay or a better job, I mean promotion in terms of holding her as a standard or advertising her as ideal. I think we agree that the current white American way of evaluating beauty ....is wrong and bad for Black African women of all shades - thats bad and wrong. We do I have already answerd your question as to how to arrive at equity without depriving anyone.....10 to one side and 5 to the other But that's not how YOU'D fix the problem with colorism. Essentially you want to do the equivalent of adding 10 on both sides. I recall you saying focus on medium... Then you need TOTAL Recall, because you're only recalling about a third of the message...lol. No it did not.... Well if that's the case, then who else was talking about human evolution from lower animals BEFORE White folks started doing so? Then maybe you should. No thank you. As long as I'm IN this Reality, I like being able to FOCUS on this Reality. You can deny all you want....the truth is there in print. Yes. And you should not only read it but try your best to comprehend WHAT you read, lol. Like I said you not proposing change.....just shifting who is discriminated against Well, isn't THAT a change? Who's side are you on....the oppressor or the oppressed? Who's side are you on....the victimizer or the victim? You're talking like you'd rather things remain the way they are and have been for hundreds of years RATHER than see the Black community be on top, out of fear that it may harm one little hair of the chinny chin chin of some White person.

Troy I thought I actually DID address it some time ago, lol. Just like they tried to use lighter and lighter skinned and mixed race artists (like Paula Abdul and Mariah Carey) to replace Black artists in the music industry.....they are attempting to do the same in the sports industry by sending these White women after Black athletes to produce lighter and Whiter children with the same athletic gifts and talents. Remember the movie "Get Out" where the White girl was sitting in bed deciding which Black man she was going to go after next? On her back wall she had all kinds of poster of Black basketball players and other Black men she was planning to target....lol. They say that these brutha start making money and CHOOSE White women, but in reality....a lot of the time White girls are SENT to these Black men and choose on them hard as if to push away any Black female competition.

Cynique White people don't need a pass to say "nigger". In my neighborhood they did. And they rarely if ever GOT that pass....lol. Nobody but you gives any weight to what an air head celebrity who happens to be light skinned says. She was invited to speak at the Republican National Convention. That's a pretty big honor and it allowed her to speak on the world stage. Troy She has a tattoo on her face. Why should we care about anything? She has to say… seriously? Because of her influence. A lot of younger AfroAmerican females who don't know any better see her as a role model and seek to emulate her. Which may include her political views. Which makes people like her and Nicki Minaj good tools to be used. It’s a word anybody’s free to use it. Back when I was growing up White folks were AFRAID to see it either way....nigger OR nigga....lol. The only time we heard White folks saying that was on television or in the movies, never in real life. Sometime in the mid or late 90s I started hearing more and more White boys say it in the form of repeating rap lyrics. If it wasn’t for those two groups, one would probably really if ever hear the word in public. Man, how you gonna be from Harlem and claim comedians and rap artists started the trend??? You know Black folks around the nation...especially in Harlem and other urban areas....were calling eachother that LIBERALLY as far back as the 30s if not further. They said Martin Luther King used to say it on the regular.

Well the TRUTH is the TRUTH, regardless as to who it is directed towards. Unless it's ABOUT them personally, the truth itself doesn't cease to be or change depending on who is being told it....lol.

Mel "Between nine and fifteen thousand years ago, scholars believe that a land bridge existed between Asia and North America that we now call Beringia. The first inhabitants of what would be named the Americas migrated across this bridge in search of food. When the glaciers melted, water engulfed Beringia, and the Bering Strait was formed." ( Mack 1.1) We just walked on over to the Americas. There were Black people here before Columbus It was easy to migrate to the Americas While this is a probability for how Black people arrived in the Americas in the distant past, we actually have more recent examples of how Black people arrived in the Americas before Columbus. A prime example would be Mansa Musa's brother Mansa Abu Bakr 2. I'm sure you've heard of Mansa Musa, the king of the Ghana kingdom and at one time the world's richest man. He had a brother....Mansa Abu Bakr II......who built ships and actually led an expedition of men to the Americas back in 1311. Over 100 years before Columbus! The First African Voyage To The Americas, a story - African American Registry Exploration Mysteries: An Early African Voyage to the Americas? » Explorersweb African King, Mansa Abubakari II Discovered America in 1312, 180 Years Before Columbus – The Savannah Tribune It's been said that the large stone sculptures of helmeted heads that are clearly of African descent found down on the coasts of Central America are tributes to Mansa Abu Bakr II and his men. heck most indigenous people and Hawaiians were Black first.. Facts. That was before the Asians started arriving and mixing in with the native population. Here are some pictures of the last Queen of Hawaii. TELL ME if she doesn't look like a sister Anita Baker never knew she had....lol. As far as your video..... While "Black Caucasian" is an oxymoron.....lol....just like the Hawaiians were originally Black but became mixed with Asians, this appears to be the case all over the Pacific Island from Polynesia to Melanesia to the Somoan and Fiji islands. Islands full of dark and Black people with an Asian admixture. ProfD Gotcha! I knew something strange was happening....lol. Reminds me of that movie "Who Cloned Tyrone"....where no matter what he did or went through....the next day looked the same as the day before, lol.

Now Toure is giving White people a pass to say "nigger". And again, he's called "Black" but when I do research of him he's of questionable racial background. Is wife doesn't look Black at all, to me.

Ok, I guess I'm not the on one....lol. I KNOW I posted a bunch of shit a couple nights ago in several threads and didn't see any of them. Troy So in other words, you changed addresses but the mail didn't get forwarded....lol.

I believe millions of immigrants BOTH legal and illegal should be deported AND there should be an immediate HOLD on all immigration for a period of time until the millions of immigrants already in the nation are properly assimilated and to be sure we have ENOUGH RESOURCES to bring more in without being a burden on the system. How are you going to adopt MORE children when you aren't even taking care of your own little rug-rats who are running around the neighborhood eating out of garbage cans??? Cynique I'm not a particularly patriotic person, and I'm always amused at how black people can chronically complain about racism, and express so little regard for their white countrymen yet so resolutely declare their love for this country. Because it's OUR country. Just because you have racists and no good people IN the country, doesn't mean the country itself is terrible. If you have roaches or termites in your house, do you condemn the house and leave it and let the roaches and termites take over? Or do you treat the problem as best you can and continue to dwell in the house you built or paid for? ProfD That's RIGHT. You tell her!

It ain't too late to turn a new leaf, and start over again. Do you need help? Do you need guidance? Do you need someone to show you where to start?

Cynique.........which one of THEM gave White people a pass to say "nigger/nigga"????

🤔....is Go Daddy gone yet? Mel I'm assuming this stands for "Foundational Black Americans" and ADOS American Descendants of Slaves? Correct What is the difference? Pretty much the same ideology that focuses on us as Black Americans having a separate and distinct identity and culture from other Blacks in the Diaspora. Yvette Carnell who is a staunch proponent of Reparations started the ADOS movement to establish a separate identity for us as Black Americans separate from Africans and West Indians so that IF and WHEN we do get Reparations, supposedly they'd only go to US and not other Black people who didn't descent from U.S. slavery specifically. The FBA movement was started by Tariq Nasheed because he liked the idea of AfroAmericans having our own separate identity and promoting our culture, but he did NOT like Yvette Carnell and didn't want to join HER organization....lol. So he started his own. Both groups are similar but many of those in the FBA movement don't believe that they or most Black Americans descended from slavery. They believe most of us descended from Black people who were already here in the Americans. Many of them don't recognize any ties to Africa what so ever. So I'm not sure how that will work in favor of their argument for Reparations. Many of the followers of both groups are so ignorant, they don't realize that most Caribbeans and Black South Americans also descended from slavery. The fact is, there were many Black people already here through out the Americas for hundreds if not thousands of years before Columbus. While that is true, the vast majority of us are descended from the Black people who were brought her from Africa during the Middle Passage. So both sides are correct. I guess it depends which history one wants to put the most weight on. But like I said, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If a Black American wants to hold on to the claim that they didn't descend from slaves and have no connections to Africa, then they won't be entitled to any Reparations money or benefits.

That part right there.

ProfD Well, now that he's dating Vanessa Trump.....Don Jr.'s ex-wife.....this DUI accident may be the LEAST of his worries, lol.

Mel Now wait a minute...... I wasn't ready for all of THAT.....shit, lol. Some women can live a lifetime alone and men can't imagine a life without someone in it. Facts. I noticed pretty early on, either as a teenager or my very early 20s......that psychologically speaking, men need women far more than women need men, lol. I've been to many parties and clubs and I've routinely seen groups of women sitting a table with no men around laughing and having a good time or on the floor dancing with eachother partying it up. "Ooooo........go on girl." "Yall is crazy.....I can't take yall nowhere!" I have YET to see a group of men at a club or party all crowded together dancing with eachother oblivious to the women in the area. But then again....I've never been to a gay club. Maybe that's normal there.....lol.

Avid Trumper Amber Rose believes white people should be able to say N-word "White people should be able to say n***a," Rose said point-blank. However, Rose expanded upon her controversial take. She reasoned that if white people were allowed to say the word, it would lessen its dark history and impact. "Because when you really stop giving a f*** about stupid, dumbass words, we'll stop killing each other," she argued." Avid Trumper Amber Rose believes white people should be able to say N-word See! This is what happens when you let EVERY-fucking-body run around calling themselves "Black" and identify as "Black". This mixed.....very light...nearly white...whatever background she is....was allowed into our community and accepted as "Black" by most of us, and now she's wrecking shop from the inside out. Why am I NOT surprised that someone who looks nearly White herself not only supports Trump, but doesn't have a problem with White people saying "nigger/nigga"?

Neither would the White and Arab men who seek them for human trafficking.

frankster Prejudice also means an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics ? Where did you get that definition? Which dictionary? I have nothing against promoting dark and or black skin Then you shouldn't have a problem with my suggestion. What did I miss? The part about promoting DARK skin also. My Country is my Home My community is my home and the house I live in is my Home......I reside in them all at the same time Keep smoking that bammer weed and pretty soon an INSTITUTION might be your home, lol. If they got paid.....that is a win If they benefited....that is a win If they qualified to participate at that level....that is a win No sir. You only "win" if you win the CONTEST that all parties agreed to participate in. You may reap other benefits, but you didn't officially WIN. When a person said they WON the lottery, they don't mean they scratched off a few tickets and "participated" in it. Learning Prepareing and going at it again and again....winning You only lose or has lost when you give up(abondon the effort) or stop. No. Giving up almost guarantees losing, but you can still lose even if you participate if there's another formidable contestant. Germany and Japan Surrender to save Lives.... Saving Lives is a win Going by YOUR definition, then nobody ever lost a war....lol. It does.... You showed up and participate and was Compensated Being compensated isn't the same as winning any more than getting a kiss good night is the same as having sex...lol. Well here is a few....examples You quoted me exactly. Thank you. Now again...show me where I said MEDIUM SHOULD BE ON TOP....which you accuse me of asserting. What is the universal concept of beauty? There are many. For women....clear skin, big eyes, nice teeth, many other features. Which Standards of beauty are not universal? Blonde hair Blue eyes Kinky hair Gap in front teeth You not promoting light and jet black women..... you do not think that support hatred of those women who you do not promote? That is an illogical question because the premise itself is incorrect. That the thing with love....in order for it to be True and Real Practice - it tends be Vulnerable. Don't confuse "love" with "low intelligence". So You do not better yourself.....by copying or becoming the evil you wish to destroy. Who is talking about "copying" that evil? I'd like to do the opposite. The Body is One Whole..... Should always be treated as such by checking testing and doing lab work up - so as to give a proper prognosis A patient maybe presenting a broken leg......If you only treat the broken leg..... you may miss the underlying cause - Osteoporosis. That's long term. Short term....that broken leg must be set and fixed immediately BEFORE you focus on long term matters. Your suggesting that we should teach our children to love EVERY shade and see them ALL as beautiful is a long term strategy that doesn't address the IMMEDIATE problem of Black self hatred many children have. I am asking in order to see how far you have shifted from your very recent position of not promoting light skinned black women? Well take out your ruler and flip it over to the centimeter edge and lets measure.....lol. Thank you.... So If a light skinned black woman asks you to promote them....you would then deny them solely on the basis of the shade of their skin? If it means promoting her as an example of beauty....yes. If so that is colorism? I'd like to think of it as COUNTER-colorism, but I guess you could call it that. Please share your example.....in which it is Right to practice colorism on a light skinned Black woman or Jet black woman? Both. When asked who is the best example of what a Black woman should look like, if all other features are the same I will choose the jet Black woman over the light skinned woman. So by accepting one as an example and rejecting the other as an example....colorism was practiced on BOTH of them. Cause now you saying you would not oppress a sista.....while earlier you said you would not promote a light skin sista but only focus on a medium one. How is NOT choosing to promote a light skinned woman "oppressing" her? By continuing the the same pain on and in our Jet black and light skinned Sista.....thats not a healer. Thats a divider and a promoter and continuer of harm and suffering Who's doing that? But when you dealing with people and beauty....there is a right way and a better way What you are suggesting is not only the wrong way but a bad way Beauty is subjective and there is little morality to it. I'm curious as to know how did you arrive at determining there was a "right" way to it or how a certain way can be "bad"??? Yes....all shades should be promoted equally... Prolonging the problem. I said equally.....equally implies making equal What do you think MY suggestion of promoting dark skin as the standard of beauty is doing? The extra promotion of dark skin IS making things closer to equal by equalizing the centuries of imbalance. First off.....it is still good Second....yep every body who is deserving of it Well if that's the case, we better not let YOU speak on Reparations....lol. There's no telling WHAT you might get up and say. "Here's my guy Frank. Now this is a Black guy who knows and understands that EVERYBODY'S been oppressed at some point. He knows that nobody has a monopoly on oppression and agrees with me that nobody deserves Reparations. Go ahead and tell 'em how you feel Frank." Genetics and Evolution are Sciences...... Genetics is a science. Human evolution is a theory They belong to no one socalled race or people but are the general possession of all who possess it The theory of evolution ORIGINATED with White people...who invented the theory to dehumanize Africans. They may not speak to you.....but to those who understand the science - they will find the answer If I were smoking what YOU'RE probably smoking....they probably WOULD "speak" to me, lol. They Coming from Africa is enough for me....you want lineage - in other what corner the from east or west side Ask 24andme or any one of those geneology testing sites to do I search for you.... Cost too for me to pay for something I already know That's the same excuse my cousin had for not wanting to take a paternity test for a baby he "knew" wasn't his...lol. Now its dark skin black people.....when before we was to focus on medium You slipping and slidding all over the place It's not me, it's that Bionic Chronic you're smoking....lol. My position has been the same since the start of this thread, but depending on HOW MUCH you smoke and WHEN you smoke it....how much of my words you actually notice and see as well as your ability to comprehend and make sense of them may change, lol. "Yeah....I see what you're saying now. It took me a while, but I get it." That where we are right now.....you not suggesting or promoting change - Miss Black America We'd have to have 2: -Miss Black America -Miss AfroAmerica (for light skinned contestants)

They're CALLING this a "shutdown" or "partial shutdown" but I'll say like I said before some months agon when they were going through this same shit and cutting off people's food stamps.... The government itself hasn't shut shit down. They're just picking and choosing where to spend their money and arbitrarily cutting off certain government services at will. Like a factory laying people or even laying off an entire department. The factory isn't shutting down.....it's just laying people off and saving money and re-organizing. Not sure why they decided to focus on the TSA this time as opposed to SNAP like they did before. As far as I'm concerned, they are just playing games and doing experiments at the people's expense.

I wish AfroAmericans had more interests and effort in this particular matter. Not being an officiated body within the U.N....as AfroAmericans we basically have to rely on whoever is representing the United States at the U.N. and hope they have OUR interests at heart. Which in this case....they don't.

What????? See, that's why YOU don't have your own country...lol.

@aka Contrarian ain't workin' right now. Tell her to put the phone down and help you get things going....lol.

ProfD Right. Being scatter-brained is ineffective. However, I don't believe our people are totally clueless. There's no real Black leadership or agenda or consistent message. Either that or there are TOO MANY Black leaders with TOO MANY agendas and messages....lol. Every time you turn around there's yet a new group of niggas on youtube with rags on their heads and rings in their noses preaching some weird ass doctrine and have come up with yet ANOTHER new name for AfroAmericans that they've invented. "See...the problem is we don't know who we REALLY are! We are the members of the lost tribe of the Amalakite nation! As soon as you join us and accept THAT, you will be prosperous! You will be able to defeat all of your racist enemies and make a foot stool out of them!...you will defeat all your enemies. Now hurry up and join us cuz....the police said we had to be off the sidewalk before dark." Niggas with too much time on their hands. Like Don King said: ONLY in America....are niggas free to wrap rags around their heads and run around on the street preaching anything that they can dream up. You KNOW what would happen if they tried to do that in North Korea or Russia. Understood. I just don't see why that sh8t doesn't work in their homeland. Because some old grey bearded nigga with one tooth in his mouth sitting in the middle of the village with a stick over his lap runs is keeping everything the way it's been for a thousand years, and the rest of the village is afraid to challenge him. Young folks in Africa generally don't argue with their elders....they just pack up and try to get to America or Europe where they can find more opportunity. I know many African women who do have deep voices & they are in need of a serious manicure/pedicure services. I haven't met any African women with deep voices. I've met some with MATURE voices that typically occur as a woman ages, but not those deep jarring husky voices that come from drinking Hennessee, smoking Newports, and yelling at little bad ass kids in the ghetto for 40 years. But I know quite a few African women who are long overdue for a pedicure, myself...lol. Sista's feet look like she can kick off them sandals and rake up every leaf in your yard if you dared her too. Hard to argue when millions of people were moved through the transatlantic slave trade. We know they CAME from Africa, but we don't necessarily know how they were acquired. I don't think the European traders were actually printing out receipts and bills of sale to their suppliers. The folks you mentioned above had to put in work in order to assume those positions. That is not a feat of laziness. Correct. However they aren't the majority of our people, especially the majority of the Black workforce of today. Those were the brothers and sisters of the 70s, 80s, and early 90s who benefited from the Civil Rights movements. Black leadership put in a lot of work to get the Civil Rights Act passed. That level of leadership has been non-existent for a half-century & counting. As a result of their efforts to get Civil Rights legislation passed, it provided the opportunities for n8gglets to get positions of power. They enjoy having a good paying job. Facts. And the following generations should have not only maintained what that the Civil Rights generation fought and worked for, but we should have BUILT upon it and took things to higher levels. They/we should have gotten Reparations by now. But too many in our generation was busy smoking weed, watching New Jack City and Spike Lee flix, or making Gangsta Rap videos for the entertainment of a White audience. Black folks stopped marching & stomping shortly after Civil Rights legislation were passed. Ofcourse. THAT mission was accomplished. Time to move on to another. From the 1970s through present, Black folks have enjoyed the crumbs falling from the white man's table i.e. good paying jobs. While this is true, so are the Mexicans and Asians. We both agree that White folks rule this nation....so they are in charge. Ideally, we should be working at our own firms and making our own money....and many of us are. However crumbs from a White man's table is better than starvation. The Latinos and Asians want to take even THOSE crumbs away from Black folks. With better job opportunities, parents softened up in their discipline & expectations of their offspring. That's true also. In the community I came from, it was nice to go to college or start your own business....but you were seen as successful and your people were happy for you for just keeping a job and staying out of jail. Many Black folks have reached middle-class status; buying nice homes & riding around in expensive cars & drinking Starbucks designer coffee.😁 Walk around any HBCU or other college campus in the US. In educational environments, you will see many Black folks who are the polar opposite of your lazy, shiftless, funky weed smoking n8gglets. What's weird about this is...it applied to a lot of AfroAmericans in the 80s and 90s, but now it applies more to Africans and Caribbeans and THEIR descendants. When I see a younger Black person in a nice car, dressed and acting professionally, and speaking proper English...if I enquire them about their background....over 80% of the time they come from a NON-FBA Black family.

The Survival Instinct is real. The Divine (or Nature if that's what you believe) put the instinct to want to live and survive at nearly all costs in human beings and even animals for a reason. As convincing as religion can be, it's hard to over-ride human nature and certain natural instincts. That's why sex and childbirth is often so high even in very religious countries regardless of the punishments. Just like no religion is going to convince most people not to have sex...lol....no religion is going to convince most people to WANT to die.

We know religion is used to manipulate (my uncle used to say "manipple-ate"...lol) people into thinking and behaving a certain way. When used by the racists, it can be used either aggressively or passively.....depending on what's called for. When used by White warmongers....they'll use religion to fire up the troops and put them in the mood to fight. When used by so-called White liberals....they'll use religion on people of color to put them to sleep and make them peaceful, passive, and accepting.