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ProfD My guess would be either women or the alphabet soup community. Neither one. Ok, I'll give you a hint........ Think of a hat, but smaller. Remains to be seen how long the US & Israel will allow Mojtaba Khamenei to stay in power. Well, according to Trump.....not TOO long...without his approval. Iran's next supreme leader won't 'last long' without my approval, Trump says - ABC News

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frankster It does weakens.... If this is true, can you PROVE how the current delineation movement among AfroAmericans where we are stressing and promoting our own separate identity and culture in contrast to other Blacks in the Diaspora has weakened either AfroAmericans as a community OR the Black race as a whole? In order to do this, you must show where we WERE strong and how specifically THIS movement has weakened that strength. Sometimes....but not in this case If did make us stronger we should see new growth but instead we see the disease of infighting You ARE seeing new growth. You are seeing economic growth from the promotion of FBA products and events. You are seeing intellectual growth as FBA educates entire generations of not just Black American youth but all who will listen about REAL Black American history including our presence in the United States before Slavery as well as our inventions. Ofcourse these things were taught to a certain degree before the FBA movement, but now you're seeing a huge resurgence. You are especially seeing a renewed and more vigorous call for Reparations and more accountablity from Black politicians. It turns a Difference into a Division....Thereby Creating a Separation You seem to be oblivious (or simply ignoring) the fact that many Africans and West Indians have ALREADY SEPARATED themselves from AfroAmericans anyway. Have been for a long time. It's a division THEY initiated. The FBA movement simply tells AfroAmericans to finally ACCEPT this fact and move on. Stop begging those who have no desire to unite with us TO do so, and instead focus on improving OUR OWN community. Then be the unifying force you know black people needs.....even when they or not and do not know they need it That's like telling a man who's wife left him and filed a restraining order against him, to be the best husband he can be to her whether she appreciates it or not. It doesn't matter how much you try, ultimately the person you're targeting has to be RECEPTIVE to your approach. They both learned what is taught to all who live in the US......be fearful and distrustful of Black African peoples - matters not whether you white or black African. Some would argue that most Whites don't have to be "taught" racism...in the U.S. or elsewhere. Some would argue that it is innately part of their genetic make-up. You obviously do not understand how propaganda works.... The social environment creates the narrative which creates the mental frame of reference ....which dictates how you interpret and understand what you see and experience. In short what they see and experience only supports the propaganda they have been fed "Propaganda" somebody's ass......... A lot of that shit they believe was fed to them....not from White folks....but FROM EACHOTHER. When you really do your research, you come to find out that a lot of their negative opinions of AfroAmericans didn't come from White folks or some movie shown to them in a dank dark room somewhere during the immigration process. It came from the mouths of other Africans, including their own parents....telling them to stay away from AfroAmericans and don't bring any home. I have yet to see these "movies" that so many people talk of being supposedly shown to Africans to turn them away from AfroAmericans. What are the propaganda videos that supposedly exist? They are watching the same violent movies with mostly White actors that many Americans watch. They aren't attending some special class that shows a picture of a Black man with an evil grin on his face and the words "stay away". No. They spread this foolishness about Black Americans among THEMSELVES. Somewhere in Portland or Seattle there's a White man sitting in a Starbucks tapping away on a tablet and sipping on a latte, having no idea of what he's being accused of....lol. "Wait.... They said I went to Africa and showed them what??? How To Be A Menace To Society???" ProfD Mainly because of the propaganda you mentioned that has brainwashed Africans & other Black folks. I'm beginning to even question THAT. Barack Obama was elected President back in '08....nearly 20 years ago and nearly all Africans know about him. Nearly every major metro area in this nation has wealthy and well-to-do Black people....some more than others....but EVERYWHERE has atleast SOME Black Americans doing well. So at this point, if any Africans or Asians or any other immigrants coming here will let some "Niggaz in the Hood" movie or rap video supersede the Black political and economic success that they can easily witness with their own two eyes in real life....we might as well hang up the phone on 'em.

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I'd like to see Jasmine Crockett and Ilhan Omar on a ticket together. They wouldn't have to say or do shit. Just get on television from time to time grinning and walking around looking cute. Sheeeeyid...... With Ms. Crockett's attitude, the country probably would just "get in line" and run itself....lol. "My fellow Americans... Yall already know what it is. You know what to do. Be kind to eachother and handle your business. Need I say more, or less?"

ProfD They are willing to take jobs Black folks no longer want to do & jobs that require skills AI cannot do. Almost all of the jobs they claim Black folks no longer want to do are jobs that pay far less than they should. That's why Black folks don't want to do them. Most Black Americans seek jobs they can actually make a LIVING from. The people who develop skills working with their hands will always be able to find a job. I've heard that before. I can't say that it's false. Years ago I briefly trained to become a skilled tradesmen and as soon as people found out, I was getting requests right and left for personal jobs that needed to be done around the house or at their business. Even when I had long left to work elsewhere I was still getting requests. People constantly needed stuff done around the house or at the barbershop or at the restaurant. "Whaddup man, ain't seen you in a minute. You still doing plumbing? I got a sink in the back I might need you to look at 'cuz that muthafuck STAY stopped up."

ProfD What did his eulogy influence or motivate people to do? Exactly what they did Play the little entertaining game of "call and respond", that he usually does when speaking to a Black audience. 👏🏿 That's right! 👏🏿 Go 'head baby! 👏🏿 say it honey say it! He doesn't demand much from them except cheerleading and moral encouragement. Every POTUS has a mandate to fulfill upon taking the job. It comes from the most powerful groups of people. While this is true, I often look to Franklin D. Roosevelt as an example of one who may have bucked the system a little bit and gave the people what they actually NEEDED. The whereabouts of his wife always seems to be the question whenever POTUS Obama makes an appearance without her. Lol....for a good reason. Probably for the same reason she's constantly getting make-overs that make her look 20 years younger and keeping them long brown legs nice and shiny....lol. Former FLOTUS Obama is making her own moves out in these streets. Which should be an embarrassment to him. The Clintons look more like business partners than a happily married couple. That's mainly because their marriage is an arrangement. It's like that with MOST wealthy and powerful couples. Wealthy and powerful people know that marriage is just a business and social arrangement designed to boost the status and wealth of both parties as well as often times their two families. It's usually the poor and uneducated men who are silly enough to actually believe that marriages in Western society are "divinely ordained" or holy. Only to get angry and go on killing sprees when their wives show them....one way or another....that they're actually not. "How could she do this to me? ....with my own brother? .....and his friend? ....in the bed I built with my own two hands? ....on the brand new mattress I just bought 2 weeks ago? ....with our children in the next room? .....with my dog in the same room watching them? ....and put it all on video? Fuck it! They all gotta go!" You never hear about rich men committing murder suicide because they caught their wives cheating. They EXPECT for them to cheat....because THEY'RE cheating too. Just don't bring home a disease or unwanted pregnancy that ruins his image. Some rich men PICK the man he let's his wife have sex with....lol. Expectations are very different when it comes to white men & their wives. The expectations are different because the patterns of behavior are different. White women have a pattern of standing by their White men in power, both physically and otherwise. Do Black women have a pattern of standing by Black men, even if he's wealthy and in power?

ProfD Sure. Some men of all races & ethnicities try to gatekeep the women. Some men do more than just try, they actually DO. It's hard for minorities anywhere to access power. Well....there IS atleast one minority group found in nearly every Western society who seem to have few problems being in or accessing positions of power. Lol..... Do you need a hint, or can you figure out who I'm talking about? I'd imagine it's even worse for Black folks as minorities in Persian & Arab countries. Far worse, from what I've heard. We already there is anti-Black sentiment around the planet. The question is what are Black folks going to do about it. The first step is keeping the toxins contained. If we know a society is violently racist and anti-Black, perhaps we shouldn't let people FROM that society even come to our shores until they can reasonably demonstrate that they as individuals no longer hold those views. Ain't that what they do with religious fundamentalists? Vet them to make sure THEY don't come to America with their radical beliefs? Well, why can't Black folks make sure the same thing is done to prevent radical racists from entering in either?

Delano Looks like Cynique is sitting up there giggling at EVERYTHING you type. Looks like you've become quite entertaining to her.....lol.

richardmurray the somali are a unique people Yes. You asked for a modern example, and I gave you one. frankster His message is definitely one that divides and weakens the global black community It divides it, but I'm not sure if it "weakens" it. Not all divisions weaken the collective. Sometimes separating and cutting the dead weight makes you stronger and more virile. And that is exactly the point..... It only speaks to Black American patrriotism...... but it actually divides Black People Does it DIVIDE Black people? Or does it WIDEN the division that ALREADY EXISTED between different Black communities? Does that mean you do not want to do better? If you're enquiring about me personally....I'm always seeking self improvement. Or that you would rather make an enemy of your ignorant brothers and fight them? If he's my brother he's NOT my enemy. At worse, only my opponent or adversary. Yes it is true...being first Willing or Wanting to stops helps the addict Sometimes they do not have the Skills Tools or Infrastructure to do better Are you saying this is the case with Africans and West Indians who avoid contact and relationships with AfroAmericans....even while IN America itself? They do it because they don't have the skills, tools, or infrastructure to better the relationship? Many Blacks born here for generations still do not know whats happening to them? Is that a statement or a question? The internet is one of the greatest purveyor of misinformation and propaganda It's also one of the greatest tools of information and man-made sources of facts, truths, and knowledge. Which one you're find largely depends on your intentions and motivations. It is ignorance... The self hate taught by white racist to black people and all peoples regardless of color is ingrained in the American Society....it is Social Institutional and Structural True. But you break out of that ignorance and self-hatred with a DESIRE to do so. For a long time I preferred light skinned women with long straight or wavy hair and thought they were the most beautiful "Black" women. It wasn't until I had the DESIRE in my 30s to change my preference....recognizing that it was a manifestation of ingrained self-hatred and racism.....that my mind actually changed to TRULY finding dark skinned African women more attractive. It didn't just happen. I didn't wait on somebody to come to me and ask me to do it. I had to take the initiative and voluntarily change my train of thought. They think they know what they are doing is Right. They think that what they're doing is more beneficial to them. I'm not sure if they're convinced that it's "right" or not. The fact that so many won't admit it and will atleast PRETEND to feel otherwise in order to get along and keep the peace with AfroAmericans, is evidence that they know their true beliefs wouldn't be tolerated very long. White Racist are also guilty of that.... It's expected from them. Yes they are in need of help....it is sometimes hard to ask a friend for help - much more a starnger or neighbor Sadly I have seen many being taken advantage of and abused when they are in need of help......or worst led astray Sometimes the best help you can give people is to stop "enabling" them and leave them alone. Let whatever they're dealing with "over take" them to the point that they have a SINCERE change of heart and attitude. The way you typing it seems you would rather fight them set the up to fail or abandon them. I wouldn't set them up for failure, however some....like some AfroAmericans....I would definitely abandon. As you said, there are good and bad people in every race and culture. So why how else would you deal with the "bad" Africans, besides letting them go their own way? All they know about Black Americans is how black americans are portrayed by white media...... That's not necessarily true. Again, you have MILLIONS of Africans living here in the United States who know better because they've seen better. You have millions more living in Africa who have been here and seen better. It is the thoses who comes to you for help teach and schools them to the extent they are able to learn Those I already have a great relationship with and come to me for help and advice....I help. But don't work next to me for 6 months never saying so much as a "hello" or "kiss my ass akata" during that time, but all of a sudden when a White manager writes you up for leaving work early NOW here you come: "Hey bruda! Do you know how badly deez peepaz treated your African seesta today?" Because I'll tell you: "If you're still in the building talking to me.... Apparently not as bad as it could have been" ....and keep on pushing. The shiesty way some of them niccaz act is almost COMICAL...lol They know better.

ProfD This also shows me....as most of his speeches....that Obama knows how to influence and motivate people when he WANTS to. So all this crap about he couldn't get "this" done or "that" done is just that.....crap. He got done what he was put in office to do. I was initially interested in this video because because of a bit of deception that was going on around the internet (George W. Bush said "internets"....lol) that Obama was dragging Trump in the eulogy and really letting loose on him. Man, I watched that speech from start to finish and he didn't even mention Trump's name...or the Presidency. He did indirectly touch on him for a moment or two with the "every morning you wake up" remarks, but that's about as far as it went. My question is, where was Michelle?

ProfD Due to their religious & cultural beliefs, it might be frowned upon within Iran. True. Which is one of the points I'm making. Bigotry, racism, and intolerance is PART of a lot of Middle Eastern cultures! It's ingrained. Doesn't matter if they use "religion" to justify it; it is what it is. However, if one can afford to take an Iranian woman elsewhere & she's willing go...surely, it can happen. Anything is possible. I'm talking likelihood. There's no shortage of Iranian (Persian) & Arab women living outside their home countries. I'd imagine some of them are kicking it with non-Iranian men. The question is why would you want a Persian or Arab woman when there's no shortage of available sistaz. 2 responses: 1. They're women. Men of all races/ethnicities tend to find women of all races/ethnicities attractive. Biology doesn't limit sexual attraction. Racism, bigotry, violence, and the FEAR of violence does. 2. The point I was making wasn't that Black men should go over chasing after Iranian women, lol. The point I was making was how deeply is the racism ingrained in their culture. Who the men "allow" the women to have sex with is a pretty good barometer in determining their level of open racism in that society. As you know back in the viciously racist days of America...Black men AND White women would be killed by White men for having sex with eachother. It's mellowed out a bit now. But those anti-Black male sentiments are ongoing in much of the Middle East where racism is openly practiced and accepted as frankster's videos explains. Again, it doesn't matter if they use religion or culture to justify their intolerant behavior....it is what it is. Israel imported Africans through their colonization efforts. True. And they are mistreated and denied aspects of power and authority in the Israeli government. The question is....or MY question is....do the Arabs and Iranians treat Africans any better? Outside of releasing some Black hostages back in the 70s...... Can we point to the Iranians as some sort of moral standard who have "one up'ed" Israel, as far as the treatment of Black people are concerned? Israel imported Africans...and so did the Arabs and Iranians -AS SLAVES. Why should FBA/AfroAmericans question the way Persian & Arab countries handle their bizness? I would say for a couple of reasons: 1. We should know EVERY nation and culture on this planet where anti-Black racism is prevalent and allowed to flourish. Why? Because some of those people will eventually make their way over HERE to the United States where WE will have to deal with them and their foolishness. So it's best to have some knowledge about them and what they believe. One of the reasons AfroAmericans are dealing with what we're dealing with from the Latinos and Arabs in the country right NOW is because we didn't do our proper homework on who was coming into the country and what they believed. 2. It's good to have this knowledge so we when you have silly negroes who like to take sides in these conflicts and claim that we should "side" with the Arabs or Iranians or Palestinians because the Jews and Americans are oppressing them.....we can point out the fact that many of those people you're feeling sorry for or rooting for are EVEN MORE racist and anti-Black than the Jews and Americans! You feel sorry for them and how they're currently being treated, but they've done even worse to YOUR ancestors! frankster Thanks for those videos. They pretty much confirmed what I already knew about Middle Eastern and Farsi (Iranian) cultures. They have a long and documented history of enslaving and mistreating African people and even incorporating it as part of their culture. Infact, the very WORD "Iran" is a modification of "Aryan". ....one of the Caucasian tribes who migrated to that region and displaced the Black Elamites.

As I said in brother Harry's thread....... I'm not sure how Iranians feel about Black people because I've had almost no contact with them. However if they feel the same way Arabs do, it's hard to feel sorry for people who are even more racist and vicious than White folks toward Black people. I can go to Israel and get a girlfriend, if I wanted. Could I go to Iran and get one...as a Black man? Israel has thousands of Black people serving in their military. How many does Iran have? Questions we should ask ourselves.

I resent that accusation! Ofcourse I'm not "stuck" on stupid. I only think about Cynique when I read and/or respond to her posts...lol.

I understand what brother Harry is saying and this isn't meant to challenge his assertions, however for the sake of conversation............. While Israel is no friend to the Black man, there is strong evidence that most of those Arab countries are even more racist than Israel. A Black American man can go to Israel and get a girlfriend. Can he go to Syria or Algeria or Jordan and get one? Can he get a Palestinian girlfriend? The Israeli military has thousands of Black soldiers in it. What about the surrounding Arab countries? These are the type of questions we need to ask ourselves before we start feeling TOO sorry for the Arabs or Persians of that region.

How many sleepless nights did you spend WAITING on it?

While Latinos are snatching up jobs and taking over entire neighborhoods.....clearly a MUCH bigger immediate threat than AI...you got educated Black folks like this sitting on stage pushing the envelope with goofy fashion statements and distracting you with big juicy "nothing" burgers. They got good jobs.... Most likely because some White "friend" plugged them in to get it. Eating right. Driving nice. ....totally oblivious to what most of the poor and working class AfroAmericans have to deal with and compete against in today's job market.

richardmurray I see. we have variance in nomenclatures. Since you see that...... Do you also see a DICTIONARY laying around, I need to look up "nomenclature".....lol. I wonder who in modern humanity is united by genetic lineage or forebear history? do you have any modern examples? Who??? MANY MANY tribe around the world are united by lineage and ancestral history. The Somalis are a good example: The Total Somali Clan Genealogy (second edition) | Scholarly Publications frankster Both FBA/ADOS are funded by White Racist Republicans.....using pseudo-blacks and black sellouts as fronts I've heard this before for both ideologies. Not sure how true it is or to what extent, however I can definitely see how White racists would benefit off of promoting the Black American "separatist" ideology. FBA is less organized than the more centralized ADOS movement. Although Tariq Nasheed is probably it's most famous spokesperson and I believe he actually came up with the name, it's now spread like wildfire with no central command but with strong AfroAmerican nationalist beliefs that are not funded by or promoted by Whites or Republicans. Whites and especially Republicans have spent most of their history trying to "un-American" Black people and deny not only the contributions of Black Americans but even question whether or not they should be in the nation. It would seem counter intuitive to me that they would promote an ideology that patriotizes Black people as the ultimate "foundational" Americans. They are definitely trying to infiltrate it, but I don't believe they originated it. If you know better you do better.... Only if you WANT to do better. A drug addict "knows" he shouldn't be using drugs and needs to stop.....but he doesn't stop unless he has a strong desire to. A diabetic person may "know" they should eat better to improve their health....but unless they WANT to, they usually won't. A lot of people "know" better than to do some of the things they do, but don't want to do "better" or do the "right" thing. They want to do what THEY want to do and what benefits them at the moment. Many blacks from North America the Motherland South America West Indies or else wear.....are simple not Aware of the Real Situation or fall prey to propaganda. That may have been an excuse 50 or even 25 years ago, but not in 2026 or even 2020. There are millions of Africans in the United States who see with their own two eyes how AfroAmericans are living and talk with their relatives and friends back home every day about what's going on. Even Africans back on the continent have the internet informing them how things are around the world. Ignorance is no excuse for Black people to mistreat, ignore, or avoid meaningful relationships with eachother today. It's self hatred....plain and simple. Either that, or maniacal love for White people. Teach Them and or if you must school them..... just don't son them - they know not what they do They know EXACTLY what they're doing....lol. Infact.... They know more about what they're doing than YOU do. The fact that many Africans who ordinarily wouldn't talk to you at work or on the street will run up in your face and call you "bruda" all of a sudden....when they want something or need help...is evidence that they know better, lol. Nigga been working with you or living next door to you for 5 years and ain't said shit to you; but all of a sudden when HE get's in trouble....... "Hey bruda! What is wrong with deez White peepaz? Why deez peepaz oba'deh give me traffic ticket, fah' ??? Is deez de...what you call...ehhh....racizeem ???" Nigga following you all up your driveway almost to your front door trying to make conversation with you when HE needs some help. A lot of our people....both African AND American.....are shitty until they need something and THEN want to play the role of "bruda" or "seesta" To fight them is to fulfill the plan of the racist.....Divide and conquer We....as AfroAmericans....know that already. You may want to try explaining that to the Diasporan Blacks who go out of there way TO divide themselves from us. Abandoning them is not good either.....Chances are they will only end as better pawns of the racist There's a difference between a child who is abandoned and one who RUNS AWAY. One of the key differences is who initiates the separation. It's not us. For decades we've insisted on forming united Black fronts with other Blacks around the world. But unity is a TWO way street...where we meet eachother. Not a round-a-bout where we keep going in circles as I chase you. ProfD Reprogramming people takes a a great deal of effort. And they have to WANT to be reprogrammed. They have to WANT Black unity and link up with other Black people. One of the first steps to ending any addiction is the DESIRE TO END IT. But hell, if a nigga loves smoking crack and doesn't want to quit and gets violent when you try to take that pipe from him...leave him alone. Other Black & Brown folks have reaped the benefits that FBA/AfroAmericans paved the way from them to be in the USA. And see, that's part of the problem right there. Many of these people are very judgmental of AfroAmericans and how we act and talk because THEY didn't have to struggle for any rights in this country. It was already here for them when they got here. Like a spoiled child who criticizes his daddy's rough hands or the fact that he's rarely home to play games with him......cuz daddy is out WORKING and making a living for for yo' ass, lol. They come to America....because of our struggles. And they reap the benefits that have been granted for everyone....because of our struggles. They take it for granted because they didn't earn it or have to fight for them. So now if we pull back and let them get a good taste of White racist venom or maybe let THEM do some facing off and fighting of this devil for a change....perhaps they'll have more appreciation for AfroAmericans and why we act and talk the way we do. Maybe they'll be less judgmental. I notice how many Latino immigrants are very judgmental about AfroAmericans and how so many engage in crimes and go to jail, until they spend a few years in America and end up in cuffs and behind bars themselves. Then the next generation are cussing out the police and hustling on the streets engaging in the same behavior they used to condemn. When folks talk about how "hard working" Latinos are, they fail to mention that this is usually the FIRST generation who come straight from third world poverty. Troy But we must also recognize that race is also a tool of the plutocrats, understood to be false by the educated, but believed to be true by the masses. Educate the masses and the tool becomes useless. Dr...DOCTOR...Martin Luther King had a doctorate degree. He was WELL educated...lol....and still acknowledged the reality of race.

richardmurray right, all DOSers have forebears enslaved to whites but ... for me, a tribe is a group with a purpose. Not all DOSers have the same purpose. To me, a tribe isn't about a particular purpose but about a particular LINEAGE. Tribes are united by blood and familial history. If people are uniting on a particular PURPOSE, it's often either a political group, religion, or street gang....lol. funny, I don't think you should want her out, like yourself, she is good people. Yeah, she's good alright. Good for sitting on the porch smoking Virginia Slims and cussing at bees just minding their own beeswax in the bee hive...lol. frankster We all Africans.... Some of us are Black Africans We black Africans....here in the West Some came free on ships... Some of us been here before the slave ships..... Some of us came here on slave ships.... Some of us came here after the slave ships... Some of us came here on planes.. All this is but an attempt to further create disunity in the Black African community....Pan - African Manmade borders and philosophys cannot blind me to the recognition of who is my brother in Suffering(black people) and in Struggle(all peoples regardless of race or ethnicity so long as they fight to end oppression in all it forms) whether they know or recognize it or not. You make good points, however.......... The FBA/Delineation movement that is taking place around the community and especially in social media circles IS warranted to a certain extent. As a Pan-Africanist myself... One who has held the Pan-Africanist philosophy for decades... I wasn't the only one who noticed that when it came to other Black people in the Diaspora, the Pan-African rhetoric was usually ONE SIDED with Black Americans constantly going out of their way to unite with Africans and West Indians. Much of the time it wasn't reciprocated, though. Not sure what was happening OUTSIDE of America, but inside the United States....regardless as to how much WE wanted to unite with our African and West Indian brothers and sisters....many of them made it crystal clear that they didn't come here to kick it with us, unite with us, or help us fight racism. Perhaps pulling back and letting them feel the full brunt and impact of raw White Racism will be the therapy some of them need to get their minds right and cure them of their maniacal love for White folks.

It's about TIME you start following my advice.

Lol..... Yeah, I did do a somewhat informal thread about it where I mentioned how much of a surprise it was. They got hit on an early Saturday mawnin'.....when a nigga still yawnin'....lol. But I took it down.

It's terrible our sista lost. Aside from being stunningly attractive and well done up....always.....she's also intelligent and courageous. I could count on her to bring that noise to the racist Republicans. We need somebody in the Senate like that.

Nuclear War Not a movie....real life.

Cynique You should thank me. I set THAT one up for you and KNEW you'd take the bait....lol.