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I will say I am Nationalist/ADOS , a different tribe. ... It would had been better or the future if many leaders in the past especially in the frederick douglass/mlk jr mold embraced other tribes . I think both of them, sadly were too bound in speaking to black people who opposed or disagreed as if they needed to stand with them or agree. I do oppose your positions. But only cause my positions are simply different. It isn't a matter of liking. yes, i love words and don't care for how words ae conveyed in the usa by many.

@ProfD In this community, forum posters, including me + you, have discussed that different tribes of Black people exist in the black populace in the usa. Said groups vary in how they define leadership in the black populace in the usa, all forms/the history of the black populace in the usa all forms/ how to interpret the history of the black populace in the usa, all form/ the varying rise in strength or fall in strength of various black tribes in the black populace in the usa, all forms/ the relationship of black people to the usa government, all forms [colonial british to modernity]/ and more. I accept the existence of varying tribes in the black community in the usa. i don't see it as problematic. I wish more Black people embraced their own tribe in the village instead of the proselytization stance of applying their tribes viewpoint as a standard or reference for all. Losing isn't complacent. I always tell Black children, we lost and usually lose. Losing isn't evil. the NAtive American lost more and still lose today, have they been complacent? the palestinean lost, still losing, it wasn't from complacency. Hell, the Gauls weren't complacent when they lost to the roman empire. Losing does not equal complacency. Yes, Black people tried black colleges/black churches/black cities ala exodusting/ Black movement to Africa/ black urban armed movement/Federal law ala civil rights act that black people allowed themselves to be abused nonviolently, but we didn't get what we worked very hard for in any of those plans. It happens. Korea spent hundreds of years a satrap of china or nippon, that wasn't because of complacency. I find your word choice terrible at times, especially if a black child heard this. I can tell you with 1005 assurity, not all non DOS black folk are totally satisfied with hyper federalism or the usa. I know non DOS black folk who returned to the caribbean or africa. I know DOSers who left for the caribbean or africa. Again, my primary issue with your stance is the inability of you to accept the black populace in the usa is a village with many tribes. Now maybe you want the village to only have one tribe but that goal is an extreme challenge

@aMhayes made a post about voting rights , linked at the bottom of this post, and as always I think of the history in all questions. The question is always, how do you get from there to here. How did the Black populace that was majority anti white in the british colonial form of the usa become majority pro -usa in modernity,multiple centuries? A long process, constant white opposition/suppression of black individuals/groups/leaders who oppose embracing whites or the USA in the black populace in the USA, a persistence among black individuals or groups who want to embrace whites or the usa, whether financed by whites or not. Now what does what was have to do with black federalism? nothing. But it is important to comprehend how an angry/vengeful populace to whites plus the usa, becomes not. It is important to display to any black children the truth about the black populace in the usa or elsewhere. Now to Federalism, from the minority in the minority of Blacks that sided with white enslavers to found the usa through frederick douglass to Obama/Sharpton/side most Blacks of above normal financial wealth or government, A form of federalism is what they talked about and what black people in the usa rarely say. While white people spoke of the usa alongside state pride, ala the virginian, black people who supported the usa, a minority in the black populace at the usa's infancy, never spoke of state pride but usa pride. Frederick Douglass spoke of USA pride, he never spoke in terms of one state in the union or even a region. The words from Martin Luteher King jr to those like Obama is clearly federal. But of a specific form. This is hyper federalism. I realize now what it is Black people, of a differing philosophy to my own, in the USA want. They want a hyper federalism. A federalism that imposes on state/county/city the only legal protections in the usa that can allow a anti-violent , financially impotent or lesser community the freedom to grow aside a militaristically powerful, financially potent one. That is constitutional law. States laws by default are 50 forms, to varying to rely upon. Counties and cities are worse. But, the federal law is the zone. The problem is leaders among said Black folks never publicly call for hyper federalism. https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10615-looming-supreme-court-decision-regarding-voting-redistricting/#comment-63784

@aMhayes Two things, first, You referred to your father^2? One of the problems when Black individuals in the USA today speak on the past, is we forget to mention how anti-white + anti-statian (USA) most black people were. Remember, most free blacks fought against the creation of the usa during the war of secession from the british empire , fought against the maintenance of the usa in Britain's attempt to retake the usa, the garvey movement in the black populace of the usa was more popular than booker t washington's schools or the white jew financed NAACP or the call for embracing the usa by Frederick douglass at the same time. And the garvey movement while nonviolent was 100% anti-usa, it was anti -american, his base idea was the entire american continent: usa/jamaica/brasil is no good for black folks and that the entire Black Continental American community whose forebears were enslaved need to find a home from the place they were ripped from , by white = black hands, which is the continent of africa, notice I didn't say a country in africa but the continent itself. DOSers are not citizens of any particular country, we are citizens of the continent for our forebears came from all over. I end with , Black people since the nascent of the usa have fought to be part of it, to be statian/american, but most black people were anti white + anti statian in the nascent, this is fact. so the black community has slowly developed a majority into the fight you speak of. And why is that important. When you speak of the fight for rights, when you suggest a timelessness you are being unfair to where most black people were philosophically in the past. Second, I once talked to a person from europe who disliked the european union, which is functionally, the articles of confederation applied to most of europe with a financial binding secured by the usa. The question is, can you name one city in south carolina that is financially bustling/ripe/potent and dominated by black people in all sectors: public/private/la enforcement/education/utilities? South Carolina at one time in its history had a majority black legislative body yet today most, including me, can't name one city in south carolina that is completely a positive example of black power. The why is well known, white power. But what is the point? When you speak of the constitution and federalism, what you are speaking about is the federal government of the usa being a greater law enforcer to the states. But you are forgetting that the entire point of the constitution was only to make the federation strong enough to survive, not for federal law to make states impotent or molded by the federal government de facto. I comprehend the strategy of using federal power and trickling it down to the states then counties then cities, but the the whole point of seperation of powers between the states and the federal government is to deny the federal government the function that I think black people like you, like frederick douglass have always wanted.

yes @aMhayes the point is about the structure of the student body in the two times, they are significantly variant.

you mischaractirize, I listtended to the whole thing she was speaking about the people she hired as staffers. Not the black statian community. The issue is , why did she hire them?

Not a stretch, two groups who are the same thing can always be compared. But their variances are not tiny. The students of the 1960s came from basically two primary groups. Whites/Blacks. Asians/LAtinos in the 1960s were much smaller groups than today. That matters on a number of levels, especially organizationally. Today, many students in the usa support the stated demands. THe modern student body in the usa isn't philosophically one. They were not in the past, but the lesser multiracial quality meant they organized easier. Today, it is harder to organize when you have so many varying groups.

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well, I don't think it is impossible, simply because, the USA is the kind of genre literature. All literature genres in the usa, rightly or wrongly, have many subgenres that cater to vaious communities. I Can see it.

American Fiction Is Coming (for the Book World’s Neck) By Zoe Guy, a news writer who covers film, TV, music, and celebrities So you want Black representation in novels? Well, only a certain kind of Black story will sell in American Fiction. Jeffrey Wright stars as Monk in the trailer for Cord Jefferson’s directorial debut. He’s a poindexter writer type, frustrated by the fact that stereotypical “urban” novels dominate the Black book market. Nothing could have prepared him for a stop on Sintara Golden’s (Issa Rae) book tour, where the Oberlin-educated writer slips into cartoonish AAVE to read an excerpt from her latest. “Where are our stories? Where is our representation?” she says before reading, “Yo, Sharonda! Girl, you be pregnant again?” A white woman in the audience gives a standing ovation. Monk might be just as upset over the minstrel-lite best sellers as he is over the fact that his own professorial books consistently flop. His ire leads him to jokingly write My Pafology, a book about a hardened gangster, based on the “true story” of his alter ego and pen name Stagg R. Leigh. To his shock, a publisher picks it up. Now, he must become the thing hates — a person who monetizes “Blackness” for white consumption. Worse, a white man just explained what a durag is on a call to discuss the book’s movie poster. The checks clearing might not be enough to tolerate all this. Jefferson’s satire is based on Erasure, Percival Everett’s 2001 novel. American Fiction lands in theaters in December. Stay tuned for real-life publishers asking, “Wait, is this movie about us?” URL https://www.vulture.com/article/american-fiction-trailer-cast-release-date.html MY THOUGHTS As a writer who knew and knows many Black Writers my problem with this film is the lack of a key point. No one is stopping anyone Black from buying the book of the Black writer played by Jeffrey Wright. No one. Jeffrey Wright's character isn't being blocked from making a book, it is on the market. It simply isn't selling. But whose fault is that. If a Black author publishes a book and it isn't selling then the Black book buying community either doesn't like it, hasn't found it, or didn't give it a chance. And the Black book buying community is free to do that but the idea that it is the white publishing firms who are to blame is false. Yes, white publishing firms support Black Urban Caricature literature. Yes, they do. But, in modern times, no one black has any excuse to not find Black literature in all flavors. No one black has any excuse in modern media to not find a work by a black author that suit their taste. Find it folks. And if Black book buyers or film goers need white media firms advertisement campaigns to give black work a chance or to find black works then the problem is black buyers. My answer to the first question above is a book called Capoeira and the original Sun man. I would add my high john the conqueror book, but I think it is too big a publisher. The second is over 50 . IN AMENDMENT The point of the film is the owners of media in the usa , the money, are white+ don't allow for enough width of opportunity for those not white , in particular black folk.. And that is 100% correct. But, outside violence, what is the answer? You can't tell someone how to use their private money so... the only answer that can be controlled by back people is the creation of black publishing companies. But in modernity , the tools to publish independently are greater than ever before, so a proliferation of work from all writers is out there. The ability to have a successful publishing company financially is tough. But the idea that white owned publishing firms simply need to extend their opportunity for non whites is for me, not culturally honest. The USA isn't Star Trek.

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haha @Chevdove you have exposed yourself:) i know how you got through elementary school test:) @Troy I meant to you, not even close, many great scary films are absent:)

HEre is the answer key 1. The Rocky Horror Picture Show (Lips) 2. Halloween (The Pumpkin) 3. The Mummy (Bandages) 4. Scream (Black Ghost with White mask) 5. The Shining (Tricycle) 6. Beetle Juice (Black White Striped suit) 7. The Nightmare on Elm Street (Striped Tshirt with Hat mannequin) 8. Shaun of the Dead (Bat and Shovel) 9. Gremlins (Paws in the box) 10. The Sixth Sense (Red Knob of door) 11. The Purge (Peeking Masked man) 12. Poltergeist (Girl with hands on TV) 13. Ghostbusters (Bagpack below lamp post) 14. The Evil Dead (Girl coming out of ground) 15. The Exorcist (Silhouette under lamp post) 16. Alien (Egg Flower shaped object) 17. Ring (The girl coming out of well) 18. Christine (The Car) 19. Blair Witch Project (Stick symbol above the car) 20. The Amityville Horror (House above behind car) 21. Arachnophobia (Spider on tree) 22. Dracula (The Castle) 23. Fog (Mist behind Castle) 24. Frankenstein (Angry mob on hill) 25. Wicker Man (Burning mummy statue) 26. IT (Red Balloon) 27. Silence of the Lambs (Insect on the lamp) 28. Wolf Creek (Wolf yellow road Sign) 29. An American Werewolf in London (Slaughtered lamb sign) 30. Psycho (Bates Motel) 31. Annabelle (Doll rocking on chair) - Also Conjuring 32. Little Shop of Horrors (Mushnik's Shop) 33. Hellraiser (Box in Window) 34. The Lost Boys (Green Frog Comics) 35. Saw (Mask with red cheeks) 36. Friday the 13th (White Mask in window) 37. Child's Play (Chucky) (Doll in attic window) 38. The Addams Family (Thing - hand) 39. 28 Days Later (biohazzard sign on Chimney) 40. Sleepy Hollow (Headless man in front of moon) not even close:) the uninvited, the haunting , don't look now are all not in no hocus pocus @Chevdove

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@ProfD the movie was a financial failure but Roger Corman admitted this was an art film, which he was able to barely afford, but he wanted to do. Comprehend this movie had to be a loser. Shatner's character didn't die? the rich guy of the town wasn't convicted of some crime. The black guy didn't become a hero. The truth is, the intruder speaks to the truth of alof of interracial situations in modern humanity. It is the same as the pawnbroker with rod steiger. The populace in the usa: white black or other, likes convenience. Likes narratives. Any art that goes against narrative is rarely liked. If the matrix ended with neo being killed and the system rebooting and then in some far date in the future, the sun returns and the machines don't need the matrix for power, that would bea downer. audiences like a set narrative.

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@Pioneer1 well, I can say the following The Black statian community, blacks living in the usa, have not as a community reached the highest communal standards set in the usa by whites or developed an alternative system and implemented it [two various things]. But the black statian community , has even before the end of the war between teh states but ever more after, many examples of individuals who reached or surpassed the standards of individual achievement by whites in the usa. So while I can not apply the standards in the usa or from the usa to those outside it , whether governments or individuals. I can say that the Black Statian ,while communally has not reached the highest positive paramount set by white standards in the usa , has produced individuals more than any group [white asians/white latinos/mullatoes/mestizoes ] barring whites of european descent[ which includes white jews] who have performed above or beyond the positive paramounts set by white standards in the usa.

3:06 i think more reality t.v. cause from my experience the money to make movies demands you talk to people who have money willing to lose, and said people want more surety. 5:53 independent films allow for the artistic acceptance even if it is financially against audience tastes. 7:52 the ability to gain experience in the arts differs on discipline. a painter can make a painting but a film maker needs to make and show a film which is more expensive. In conclusion that is the issue with projec greenlight, the process after a film is made matters

How a Pricing Change Led to a Revolt by Unity’s Video Game Developers In an industry where customers are slow to trust and quick to criticize, a new fee from Unity infuriated studios that use its platform. Mike IsaacKellen Browning By Mike Isaac and Kellen Browning Reporting from San Francisco Oct. 2, 2023 John Riccitiello probably should have seen the outrage coming. A video game industry veteran, Mr. Riccitiello is the chief executive of Unity Technologies, a company that isn’t a household name but is a fixture for more than two million game developers who use its software to power their games. For most of the company’s 19-year history, Unity’s software business was relatively straightforward: Every developer who used Unity’s professional tools to build software paid a fixed, annual licensing fee. The software acts like an engine. It is the underlying technology that developers use to build and run their apps. In mid-September, Mr. Riccitiello proposed an abrupt change. Instead of an annual fee, he wanted to charge developers a fee every time someone installed a copy of their games, meaning they would pay more as their titles grew in popularity. The about-face would make a significant difference for Unity, which has never turned a profit. But in an industry where gamers and small game development studios are reluctant to trust big corporations and quick to take umbrage at perceived attempts to nickel-and-dime them, the proposed fee change has snowballed into a crisis. Developers around the world who use Unity — including those behind hit games like Among Us and Slay the Spire — have threatened to leave the platform, saying the new pricing model could effectively kill their businesses if their games grow too popular. There was talk of a class-action lawsuit. Someone even called in a threat that required Unity to inform federal law enforcement officials and evacuate its San Francisco headquarters and its office in Austin, Texas, a person familiar with the decision said. Developers said they felt betrayed. Many spent years learning and coding in a particular programming language used by Unity called C# — pronounced “C-sharp” — making it hard for them to switch to a competitor. Executives at Unity were using that leverage, the developers complained, to engage in digital rent-seeking behavior. “They completely abandoned the creative, punk software developer community that was a big part of their ongoing success,” said Tomas Sala, an independent developer in Amsterdam whose game, The Falconeer, was built in Unity. The episode highlights the precarious position that companies can find themselves in when trying to keep a community happy at the same time that executives want to find ways to make more money. Trip Hawkins, the founder of the video game giant Electronic Arts and an adviser to some game developers who use Unity, said he understood the outrage. He likened it to a hardware store’s selling a carpenter a hammer and nails and then suddenly charging a fee for every nail the carpenter has ever pounded into a wall. “It gets at what feels right versus what feels wrong in people’s gut,” said Mr. Hawkins, who left EA in 1994. Now, Mr. Riccitiello and his executive team are scrambling to contain the fallout. Unity has rolled back some of the changes in a series of concessions aimed at placating developers. Among other changes, it raised the revenue threshold for games that will be charged the per-install fee — so larger developers, primarily, will be charged — and allowed developers to pay either the fee or 2.5 percent of their company’s monthly revenue, whichever is lower. But the company still plans to go ahead with the new fee model. In an interview with The New York Times, Mr. Riccitiello said he was “truly humbled” by the response, and had spent the past two weeks talking with partners and indie developers. “It reminded me just how foundational Unity is to the developer community,” Mr. Riccitiello said. Unity’s engine is one of a handful of software development tool sets in the video game industry. Developers can use the tools to create 3-D character models that can run, jump and shoot enemies in games. They can also use the software to design rich landscapes and textured environments. Every time a game is booted up, the software engine from Unity or another company is running underneath. Most of these engines have charged companies using the software a fixed annual amount for every one of their developers. Unity’s new fees turned this predictability on its head. Many developers felt that they were being punished if their game turned out to be a hit, and that Unity had the potential to take a much larger cut of revenues. “The new business model just doesn’t work for the rest of us,” Mr. Sala, the game developer, said. “A lot of people feel like we just got played.” Unity was founded in 2004 in Copenhagen as a project of three developers who collaborated on an internet forum dedicated to coding. The premise was to “democratize” game coding tools so that anyone — from high school hobbyists to professionals — could build games from scratch. “The key for me was the community and resources around it,” said Will Todd, a 28-year-old developer. “You can hop on a forum and quickly get an answer to any questions you might have.” He and his partner at the London indie studio Coal Supper, James Carbutt, used Unity to build their hit game, The Good Time Garden, in 2019. Under fire for poor financial results, Mr. Riccitiello left his job as chief executive at Electronic Arts in 2013. He joined Unity the next year, when the company was relatively small. He brought with him a reputation for squeezing cash out of games in ways that sometimes angered developers and players. Mr. Riccitiello led Unity to a successful initial public offering in 2020, and Unity’s shares hit a high of around $200 by the end of 2021. But they have since fallen to about $30. In its most recent quarterly financial results, Unity reported $533 million in revenue — up 80 percent from a year earlier — but $193 million in net losses. It also laid off about 8 percent of its employees in May. Unity has an advertising business that allows developers who use its platform to insert ads into their mobile games. It’s the part of the business responsible for about two-thirds of the company’s revenue. But it is under pressure from changes on Apple’s software for mobile devices that limit the data that Unity’s system can collect from the developers who use it to serve ads inside their mobile games. Mr. Riccitiello told The Times that Unity’s software pricing changes had “absolutely nothing to do with” challenges to its ads business, which he described as healthy. He said the new model was “designed to be a fair and appropriate exchange of value” between Unity and its customers. In other words, Unity thinks it can make a lot more money from its engine business than it does now. Behind the scenes, many employees were furious. Numerous Unity workers told management that it was a bad idea that would betray the small developers who used Unity’s tools, three current and former employees said. A handful of employees left or are in the process of leaving the company as a result, two people said. Mr. Riccitiello acknowledged in the interview that the new pricing model had been communicated poorly and needed some changes. And Marc Whitten, one of the company’s top executives, wrote an apologetic blog post. But the company is not rolling back the pricing change. It will be some time before Unity knows if there is permanent damage to its business. Mr. Sala, the developer of The Falconeer, said that his upcoming game was also built on Unity, and that he would still need to support it with software updates and expansions of more in-game content for at least two years. But after Unity made some concessions, Mr. Sala said they were welcome changes. He added that if he decided to switch to another engine, learning that software could take him months, if not years, to get to the comfort level he had with Unity. Mr. Carbutt, the Coal Supper studio developer, said sticking with Unity felt like “an operational risk.” “They broke trust with devs over all of this,” he said. “Irreparable damage has already been done.” A correction was made on Oct. 2, 2023: An earlier version of this article misstated how much Unity would charge video game developers. Unity will charge developers who qualify a percentage of their company’s monthly revenue, not annual revenue. When we learn of a mistake, we acknowledge it with a correction. If you spot an error, please let us know at nytnews@nytimes.com.Learn more Mike Isaac is a technology correspondent for The Times based in San Francisco. He regularly covers Facebook and Silicon Valley. More about Mike Isaac Kellen Browning writes about technology, the gig economy and the video game industry. He has been reporting for The Times since 2020. More about Kellen Browning A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 4, 2023, Section B, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: ‘We Just Got Played’. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe READ 29 COMMENTS Share full article URL https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/02/technology/how-a-pricing-change-led-to-a-revolt-by-unitys-video-game-developers.html MY THOUGHTS The underlying problem here is engineering. Like many crafts, its most optimal form isn't financially fast. The reason firms need unity isn't because programmers can't develop all the tools they need on their own, it is because doing that will take longer than all the accountants or lawyers who own firms are willing to wait. Using tools to speed up business is a pillar of the usa led global fiscal capitalism and in engineering , that is the path to lower quality or financial management. Remember, building a program is like making a table.Artist can make the same table, but the process of making the table, makes each woodworker actually better. To the fiscal reality of unity, they are a firm that is usually unprofitable overall. It is that simple. This situation reflects Google/Facebook/NEtflix/Tesla motors/ and many others firms who spent years , sometimes over a decade not being able to cover their cost of existence, but stayed afloat by stocks and investments and various financial mechanism which in my view are all anti fiscal capitalistic.

@Pioneer1 well, I admit I don't know your standard. I will need you to reword it as it is clear you said it, but I didn't comprehend. My standard? The only ranking/order/race I can apply to all governments in humanity is militaristic. to that end, no government in africa is what I call militaristically decent. Militaristically decent defined as a government that can support its military internally. USA is first tier/ China+ Russia is second tier/ 3rd tier is england/japan/france/india/ a few other governments 4th tier is brazil/nigeria a few others 5th tier is belize/ghana/ most governments/ 6th tier is the somalias and the few others who have no true government , more a collection of governments that are at war or haven't been recognized . As for the issues you brought up: I don't relate governments on those terms because because governments have varying origins/styles/ways/situations, that play to powerful a role. North korea isn't japan in terms of the terms you speak of, but north korea has been under the usa blockade and penalty scheme for decaes, maybe 70 years or more. that influences all the factors you speak of and definitely any standard based on those points.