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Anika the guy in the video did a lot of bitching :-) But I was waiting an alternative, something we do differently. Let say we stopped supporting Obama what should we do then?

I have not read the articles yet. But I would say absolutely. . In fact I would not consider Obama a Black leader he, as so many of his rabid supporters say, is a leader of ALL Americans -- not just the Black ones. Obama is a leader who happens to be Black as it is defined here in the US.

Del all your kids are describing are skin colors -- which is fine. I don't have a problem with this. What I have a problem is when people start to make judgements based upon skin color; as in the lighter people are smarter than the darker people. This is scientifically proven nonsense, which I wish we could dispense with yesterday. Pioneer, sure, I have a lot of friends who are have college educations and others who do not. Their relatively intelligences (subjectively assessed by me) are uncorrelated with their degree of educational attainment. Their opportunities, without a doubt, are correlated with their level of education. But most of my friends, like most people in general, have no interest in coming here (or anywhere else for that matter) to discussing things of substance, devise strategies, and take direct action as a result to make things better for all of us. I spend a LOT of time tying to do get people involved with independent media to work in our collective self interest and it is VERY difficult. Basically people are concerned with themselves or their own businesses with work collectively. Any negro intelligent enough to earn a degree and achieve success should be intelligent enough to know the importance of protecting the success they achieved. Surely the wealthiest and most educated AfroAmericans can't feel too secure living in a bubble to themselves while they see the bottom dropping out from so many other upper income Black households. Pioneer, I agree with both statements. The issues is the strategies these people engage in to protect what they have. Those strategies are purely selfish. They protect what THEY have - as in the every man for themselves model. I believe we are better served by protecting not only what we have but what we ALL have. My growth does not come at your expense. I don't "win" by beating you into the ground. My self worth is not measured by how much more I have than you. This is how we operate today. Classic crabs in the barrel... So until the 1% or the talented 10% start thinking about someone else other than themselves we are all headed for much more pain. The "race" issue is a distraction that only hurts the so called "Black" people. I discovered recently part of my lineage goes back to a 15th century English merchant (which is also supported by my DNA), whose descendant impregnated one his slaves. That enslaved woman was ultimately freed and became my 5X great-grand mother. At the end of the day this means nothing. I can no more embrace my English ancestry than I can my African Ancestry. What I do know is that we are all related, family. I think the actual figure is that all of humanity is at least 50th cousins. Perhaps we should simply embrace our humanity.

Sure, Pioneer I believe in scientific advancement to improve humanity. Hitler was motivated by racism, not improving humanity -- although he may have seen it that way. Much of the progress here in the US is motivated by money not improving the human condition. The two motivations are very, very different we couple them in our society because of capitalism and assume them mean the same thing. They do not.

Doing well financially and intelligence may not have as high a correlation as you think. On average, do you think a smart Black woman does as well financially as the an white guy, with average intelligence? Besides some of the brightest people eschew material wealth altogether. The very definition of intelligence is the ability to apply knowledge in not just practical, but more importantly creative ways. I know plenty of guys who can analyze defense strategies, memorize team roosters, player positions, discuss this in a historical context and form insightful opinions on game outcomes. Unfortunately, all of this mental ability is wasted on skills for which there no demand for in the employment market. We used to call it "snapping" on each other. Being quick witted, or clever and coming up with a unique and funny perspective plus good delivery probably has a intelligence component, but the smartest people were not the best snappers. You also had to be willing to publicly degrade someone else, often saying hurtful things -- just for fun. The willing to do that usually goes down as intelligence goes up. Maybe that guy tossing you the softball unexpectedly was looking for a 1st baseman for the corporate team. :-) What was the logic for testing you physical reflects for a seemingly unrelated job?

Need2ritefaster, the author of the 2nd article, Sabella Abidde, is an atheist. At least that is what her Facebook page says. Image a Black pope. While they would certainly gain more converts in African they would probably loose all the Germans, Irish and most of the Europeans :-) I guess they don't have any mulatto Cardinals to consider to ease the transition in an Obamain fashion

Edited by Robert Fleming Robert has been a professional writer longer than most people have been alive. I've been fortunate to have been able to utilize his talents as a frequent AALBC.com Book Reviewer. I rediscovered this book the other day and had the same initial reaction Thumper had over a decade ago who when here viewed it. "I flipped the cover to the table of contents, read the list of authors and got excited. The authors are among the finest ever assembled in one book. Instantly After Hours became a must-read." Check the list of contributors: Charles Johnson, Colin Channer, Cole Riley, Brian Peterson, Kalamu Ya Salaam, Tracy Grant, Earl Sewell, John A. Williams, Kenji Jasper, Eric E. Pete, Alexs D. Pate, Brian Egleston, Clarence Major, Curtis Bunn, Gary Phillips, Brandon Massey, Robert Scott Adams, Jervey Tervalon, Arthur Flowers. Here is a message from Robert about this book From: Robert Fleming Sent: Thu 3/7/2013 9:38 AM "Thanks for the re-appraisal of After Hours. Wow, time flies. I remember taking this idea of all-male anthology of erotic stories to Gary Brozek, then an editor at Penguin. We had worked together under the editorial guidance of Cheryl Woodruff, when she helmed the One World imprint at Ballantine in the 1990s. When I issued the call for submissions, I was surprised by the response of some of the biggest names in AA literature. I'd always wanted to work with some of these guys, namely Charles Johnson, Kalamu Ya Salaam, Arthur Flowers, Gary Phillips, and Jervey Tervalon. However, I've remained friends with some of them over the years, including Clarence Major, Colin Channer, Earl Sewell, and Brandon Massey. It was a honor to befriend John A. Williams, one of my favorite writers, to whom I presented an award at one of the earlier Harlem Book Fair ceremonies. For years, we corresponded until he went into ill health and I miss him terribly. This book, After Hours, was selected by the Black Expressions book club and published in hardcover. It won several awards as well as it made the Erotic Book Club list, which took it to a larger audience. It has a companion piece, Intimacy, which was a collection of leading black male writers penning tales of love, committment, and marriage. That book was also selected by the Black Expressions book club. Both of these books are highpoints in my career, which has lasted from the 1970s and continues today. In fact, I have a new novel, Gift of Faith, which has been selected by the Black Expressions book club." The book is out of print but is still available on Amazon from 3rd party sellers including the hardcover published by Black Expressions.

Edited by Robert Fleming Robert has been a professional writer longer than most people have been alive. I've been fortunate to have been able to utilize his talents as a frequent AALBC.com Book Reviewer. I rediscovered this book the other day and had the same initial reaction Thumper had over a decade ago who when here viewed it. "I flipped the cover to the table of contents, read the list of authors and got excited. The authors are among the finest ever assembled in one book. Instantly After Hours became a must-read." Check the list of contributors: Charles Johnson, Colin Channer, Cole Riley, Brian Peterson, Kalamu Ya Salaam, Tracy Grant, Earl Sewell, John A. Williams, Kenji Jasper, Eric E. Pete, Alexs D. Pate, Brian Egleston, Clarence Major, Curtis Bunn, Gary Phillips, Brandon Massey, Robert Scott Adams, Jervey Tervalon, Arthur Flowers. Here is a message from Robert about this book From: Robert Fleming Sent: Thu 3/7/2013 9:38 AM "Thanks for the re-appraisal of After Hours. Wow, time flies. I remember taking this idea of all-male anthology of erotic stories to Gary Brozek, then an editor at Penguin. We had worked together under the editorial guidance of Cheryl Woodruff, when she helmed the One World imprint at Ballantine in the 1990s. When I issued the call for submissions, I was surprised by the response of some of the biggest names in AA literature. I'd always wanted to work with some of these guys, namely Charles Johnson, Kalamu Ya Salaam, Arthur Flowers, Gary Phillips, and Jervey Tervalon. However, I've remained friends with some of them over the years, including Clarence Major, Colin Channer, Earl Sewell, and Brandon Massey. It was a honor to befriend John A. Williams, one of my favorite writers, to whom I presented an award at one of the earlier Harlem Book Fair ceremonies. For years, we corresponded until he went into ill health and I miss him terribly. This book, After Hours, was selected by the Black Expressions book club and published in hardcover. It won several awards as well as it made the Erotic Book Club list, which took it to a larger audience. It has a companion piece, Intimacy, which was a collection of leading black male writers penning tales of love, committment, and marriage. That book was also selected by the Black Expressions book club. Both of these books are highpoints in my career, which has lasted from the 1970s and continues today. In fact, I have a new novel, Gift of Faith, which has been selected by the Black Expressions book club." The book is out of print but is still available on Amazon from 3rd party sellers including the hardcover published by Black Expressions.

I know I'm busy, but I was really curious how I just now learned about the publication of this book 6 weeks after it came out. If anyone posted it on my social media I did not see it. So I decided to run a Google search on the term: "A Deeper Love Inside book review" (without the quotes) to see what reviews I could find on this book [i also ran the same search on duckduckgo.com a search engine I've been touting lately, but in this case I preferred Google results] Most of the top results were the big websites. Their pages were pages where the main purpose of the pages was to sell the book. There was a large image of the book cover, followed by places where the book could be purchased and the marketing copy provided by the publisher. The user reviews were all user generated by amateurs and were all over the place in terms of assessing the book from the terrible "I can say that I was very disappointed in this book" and "I am done with anything SS writes. Don't waste your money.", to the great; "I loved this book and was so glad I got to read it." and "I would give this book 10 stars if I could." After reading a few of these I still had no idea what to think. I'll just abbreviate the site as the same old, same old or "SOSO" for short. #1 Goodreads SOSO #2 & #3 Amazon 337 user generated reviews: still SOSO More confusing, inconsistent, amature reviews are not better -- even if you average them out (shit in shit out) #4 Barnes&Noble No user generated reviews. They provide an editorial review that read like marketing copy. They also pubish the kirkus review with is a description of the book. Better than a SOSO site but still not a source of a the tyoe of review I'm looking for. Sourcing Kirkus is better than user generated review. Overall B&N site really is a better than Amazons, but Amazon is running circles around B&N technologically. #5 Bookspans Blackexpressions Oddly the URL Google provided was broken. Maybe Google indexed a page behind a paywall. At any rate it was a useless result. #6 Itunes: SOSO #7 Literary Marie: The first decent critical assessment of this novel written by someone who apparently writes a lot of reviews. I was previously unaware of this website. For some classes a queries Google is like it's old self and will still turn up small independent websites #8 Blackliterature Magazine.net Includes a synopsis but no review. That said it is a nice site overall though Michelle Cuttino" is her column featured through AAMBC (www.aambookclub.com). Have to add it to my list of Black book sites #9 -- Googlebooks SOSO I noticed however that the reviews looked familiar -- Google is pulling the Goodreads book reviews! Google is so slick. They are brilliant at monetizing freely provided or copied content and information. #10 Urbanreviews A rave review 5 "books" out of 5 "A Deeper Love Inside: The Porsche Santiaga Story is a thought provoking coming-of-age story that was definitely worth the wait." --Radiah Hubbert. Hurbert also9 who wrote the review also has an interview with Souljah: #11 - Kirkus Reviews A not committal, luke warm 226 word review. The same review used in the B&N website. After reading the review I feel no differently about investing the time an energy in reading the book #12 - The angel experience A review of the book delivered through a video. Which I've shared below The next results #13 to #27 were more SOSO pages including additional results from amazon no actual book reviews. Normally I, as well as the vast majority of web surfers would have given up at this point. But I was desperate. Next we have: #28 - The Prissy Book Snob This was also a decent critical review of the book -- should have been returned higher in this search #29 Chrystal's Corner BOOK REVIEWS This was also a decent critical review of the book -- should have been returned higher in this search #30 N'digo A Magapaper for the Urbane This was also a decent critical review of the book -- should have been returned higher in this search. In fact I would argue this was the should have been one ot the top search results. The take away from all of this is when running a Google search you should probably just start at the bottom of the third page of result to find something decent.

Does anyone believe Black men today are afraid of doctors because of the Tuskegee experience and tragedy? I doubt the average Black man (particularly our younger men) know anything about it . If anything it is a issue of a lack of health coverage, or just ignorance or laziness about getting of regular physical examinations.

The pricing for eBooks is a contentious topic. Some argue that the same amount of work goes into publishing an eBook as a regular book. You still need the agents, authors, editorial, publicists marketing, etc. This of course ignores the physical production of paper, books, storage, transportation loss allowance and most importantly returns. Really what is happening is that eBook have to subsidize the production cost of paper books. There really is nothing inherently wrong with this. However, common senses tell you an eBook costs less to produce than a physical book. So when the sales price fails to reflect this fact it just looks fishy. Certainly the consumer does not benefit,. nor does the publisher Of course Amazon has no problem deeply discounting physical books -- selling them a a loss even to get business and to put pressure on competitors. Since they are not allowed to discount eBooks sold by big 5/6 publisher we run into pricing anomalies like the one described. Of course independents like yourself can price ebooks at any price they like, and certainly at a level that more accurately reflects production costs. The book business is a state of flux right now.

Very nice intro -- thanks for sharing. Love N Joy. Check this out think about shortening the URL with bit.ly that will tell you how many people actually clicked you link here (or anywhere else), Also sign up for Amazon's affiliate program or use the affiliate code of a book selling like myself: Here is an example: Here is a link to you book with my affiliate code applied: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BBS2I6E/ref=nosim/newsstory-20 Customer pays the same price, you get the same royalty but I get a commission an an intensive to sell the book. Next you can take that link and shorten it: with bit.ly the URL is now: http://bit.ly/hftears or if you get a special domain you can customize it more: http://aalbc.it/hftears this is easier to remember and shorter which is perfect for twitter or in print where a long URL is too unwieldy. To see where the link is being clicked you can just go to https://bitly.com/hftears+ and get information on where the link is being clicked and how many times. This is one way you can tell how many people are clicking you links on various social media platforms for example.

A Deeper Love Inside: The Porsche Santiaga Story By Sister Souljah I discovered this book from the Jan/Feb 2013 bestsellers list I just published. Just a few years ago prior to the publication of, Midnight, Souljah's 2nd novel, a few years after the Coldest Winter Ever, there was much more anticipation, more buzz. In 2013 there was zero buzz at least from my perspective. This is problematic. It is a problem because I actively look for books by Black writers that I think will appeal to or at least interest readers. When a writer of Souljah's notoriety publishes the sequel to a wildly popular book (1,436,559 copies in print) I want to be able to be the first to let people know. Now her latest book A Deeper Love Inside: The Porsche Santiaga Story has been out for over a month and I had no clue. Sure a few years ago there was more discussion about books here on AALBC.com. I also know many of those people went to social media. But I'm on Twitter and Facebook every day and did not see anything about this book. I also realize publishers spend less on promotion and advertising and that is also part of the problem. (to be plain Simon and Schuster is not an advertiser). I also know we have very few platforms remaining who would review this title. Clutch magazine mentions the book. Digging a little deeper I came across an excellent article about the book in Publishers Weekly. Then the crux on my problem dawned on me. I spend to much time on social media looking for information about books. Sure I push a lot of information about books out there, including this one, but AALBC.com is a much more effective platform for disseminating information about books. I will adjust my behavior accordingly ;-)

Amazon Hardcover List $26.95 (Sale Price: $14.64): Paperback List $16.00 (Sale Price: $10.88) Kindle (eBook) Price: $12.99 Amazon also offers books sales from 3rd part resellers who are selling the Hardcover new for as little as $13.57 and used copies for as low as $7.74. . B&N Nook (eBook) and hardcover prices are the same as Amazon's (3rd party reseller prices are the similar to those offered by Amazon). Interestingly B&N Paperback price is $13.98 a full dollar more than their eBook version (I'm an Amazon Prime member so the difference my be due to my discount -- which also include free shipping). Google's and Amazon's prices for their eBooks is also $12.99. So it seems like the agency model is in full effect. This is where the 5 big publishers colludes to set the price of product (in this case eBooks) artificially high and force retailers to sell the product at the predetermined price. This is oligarchy engaging in monopolistic practices which one would think is illegal. Apparently the Department of Justice does not. But I have not kept up with the story... It reminds me when we were all told how much money we would all save on the price of CD's compared to Albums. Even though CD's were were expensive to manufacture, store and ship than albums; the saving was never past on to the consumer even All this did was encourage the pirating of music to the point we are today: very few musicians can make a living of the sale of their music. I think ringtone sales are more lucrative. If The Accidental Affair was a title I would want to keep in my Library I would buy the hard cover from a 3rd party reseller. If it was just something I wanted to read and not keep it would still make financial sense to buy the hardcover, pass it along after I read it or resell the book (many places buy used book today). If I was concerned about lugging the book around I would buy the eBook. Personally I see no scenario where purchasing the paperback version of a previously released hardcover book makes financial sense. If this keeps up, start looking for mass market paperbacks to proliferate and for elimination of paperback versions of hardcover books to disappear. That or books will skip the hardcover step altogether.

Unfortunately Pioneer "RIGHTEOUS purposes" is purely in the eye of the beholder, and therein lies the rub. One man's human experimentation is another man's form of advancement.

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Go On Girl! Book Club Announces 2012 Award Winners New York, NY - March 6, 2013 - During this Women's History Month, Go On Girl! Book Club, one of the largest national reading organizations in the U.S. dedicated to supporting the work of authors of the African Diaspora, is proud to announce that authors Marlon James and Karen Simpson have been voted by the membership to receive top honors at their 21st Annual Author Awards dinner on Saturday, June 1st, 5pm-8pm at the Sheraton Atlantic City Convention Center Hotel in New Jersey. Marlon James was named 2012 Author of the Year for his gripping novel, The Book of Night Women. Karen Simpson was named 2012 New Author of the Year for her powerful story, Act of Grace. Upon learning of his win, Mr. James commented, "I am so excited to be Go On Girl! Book Club's 2012 Author of the Year! Sometimes we writers, holed up in whichever bunker we write out of, forget about the community of readers. A writer can do so many things with a book but he cannot make a page, or a scene or even a character for that matter come alive. That job is the readers' and I'm just blown away that I am being awarded by a community of readers, so committed to making books and literature come alive." Ms. Simpson also expressed her thanks, "When I first started my writing career some ten years ago, I would go to the Go On Girl! Book Club website and dream that someday my novel would be one of those selected. I never thought it would happen. I am both humbled and grateful for this honor. It means so much for my work to be recognized by your readers. Thank you so much." The awards dinner will also honor our 2012 Life Achievement honoree and the GOG Unpublished Writer and Scholarship winners. The dinner will be followed by an author meet & greet featuring our winners and several guest authors and an after-party. Books will be available for purchase at the event by MahoganyBooks. Tickets to Go On Girl! Book Club's 21st Annual Author Awards dinner are $65 and can be purchased until May 1st at www.GoOnGirl.org/events. The awards dinner is the highlight of a weekend of activities for GOG members and guests themed "Reading in Jersey From Exit to Exit". The festivities begin on Friday, May 31st and end on Sunday, June 2nd with Go On Girl! Book Club's Eboni Gray Phenomenal Woman Awards Breakfast, which honors members of the organization and culminates in a special prayer circle. For more information about Go On Girl! Book Club and the 21st Annual Author Awards event visit www.GoOnGirl.org. To inquire about sponsorship, purchasing a dinner table, or advertising opportunities, contact Tracey Y. Smith at (646) 489-6873 or tsmithwd@aol.com.

Go On Girl! Book Club Announces 2012 Award Winners New York, NY - March 6, 2013 - During this Women's History Month, Go On Girl! Book Club, one of the largest national reading organizations in the U.S. dedicated to supporting the work of authors of the African Diaspora, is proud to announce that authors Marlon James and Karen Simpson have been voted by the membership to receive top honors at their 21st Annual Author Awards dinner on Saturday, June 1st, 5pm-8pm at the Sheraton Atlantic City Convention Center Hotel in New Jersey. Marlon James was named 2012 Author of the Year for his gripping novel, The Book of Night Women. Karen Simpson was named 2012 New Author of the Year for her powerful story, Act of Grace. Upon learning of his win, Mr. James commented, "I am so excited to be Go On Girl! Book Club's 2012 Author of the Year! Sometimes we writers, holed up in whichever bunker we write out of, forget about the community of readers. A writer can do so many things with a book but he cannot make a page, or a scene or even a character for that matter come alive. That job is the readers' and I'm just blown away that I am being awarded by a community of readers, so committed to making books and literature come alive." Ms. Simpson also expressed her thanks, "When I first started my writing career some ten years ago, I would go to the Go On Girl! Book Club website and dream that someday my novel would be one of those selected. I never thought it would happen. I am both humbled and grateful for this honor. It means so much for my work to be recognized by your readers. Thank you so much." The awards dinner will also honor our 2012 Life Achievement honoree and the GOG Unpublished Writer and Scholarship winners. The dinner will be followed by an author meet & greet featuring our winners and several guest authors and an after-party. Books will be available for purchase at the event by MahoganyBooks (www.mahoganybooks.com). Tickets to Go On Girl! Book Club's 21st Annual Author Awards dinner are $65 and can be purchased until May 1st at www.GoOnGirl.org/events. The awards dinner is the highlight of a weekend of activities for GOG members and guests themed "Reading in Jersey From Exit to Exit". The festivities begin on Friday, May 31st and end on Sunday, June 2nd with Go On Girl! Book Club's Eboni Gray Phenomenal Woman Awards Breakfast, which honors members of the organization and culminates in a special prayer circle. For more information about Go On Girl! Book Club and the 21st Annual Author Awards event visit www.GoOnGirl.org. To inquire about sponsorship, purchasing a dinner table, or advertising opportunities, contact Tracey Y. Smith at (646) 489-6873 or tsmithwd@aol.com.

He is obviously good at math too. The young man sporting the ?love 'fro was mathematically the winner before final jeopardy even started.

I sure hope so, we can use the evolutionary jump as a species... But before you abandon hope, fear not for mankind is already on it. They are already inserting human DNA in animals supposedly to test drugs, doing, since doing that on poor Black people is frowned upon nowadays. Ultimately these chimera can be used for spare hearts, lungs, even providing external wombs, for genetically designed babies, for professional woman to busy to go through the process of mate selection, conception and bringing a baby to term in her own body. Think of all the jobs that will be created, the taxes to be levied -- maybe it will save my social security.

Pioneer this has already happened. But most professional Blacks could give a rats ass what is happening in the 'hood -- especially if they are more than a couple of generations out of the 'hood. They are indistinguishable from their white counterparts. They live in white suburbs, send their kids to white schools and socialize with each other in various clubs and organization that do not include -- indeed exclude ,people from the 'hood with memberships fees, selection processes and just sheer distance. Sure many of them do the annual corporate sponsored charity event or volunteer effort to help less fortunate Black folks. But there is no concerted effort from the group. Some are struggling themselves and the others don't care. Of course there are individual exceptions be they are rare. Just abandon the idea of a "talented tenth" helping the remaining 90% -- it ain't gonna happen. That would require sacrifice and a long term commitment which would be irrational to expect from this group.

You get no argument from me Pioneer. But legalized prostitution would not have stopped the sexual misconduct of men in high positions. Prostitutes provide a service; they fulfill a very basic physical desire, they are not a perfect substitute for an affair. Until a time comes when no one cares when high profile guys sleep around on spouses and make "illegitimate" babies, there will still be consequences. Even with legalized prostitution.

Pioneer I have not come across an opinion expressed here that would result in getting banned. You have nothing to fear. I agree with your assessment on appealing to people with reason, as I've at that many times here. I also know that most people are more easily swayed with emotions or lies that sounds good. . Sure you can spank people to get them to behave in a desired fashion on occasion. But do you really and truly believe that is the BEST way to get a desired outcome? We also know that spanking does not work on all children or work all the time. Why for God's sake would you use the same tactic used by a plantation overseer in the classroom?! Should we really be spanking some 18 year old female high school senior when they talk in class, fail a test or turn in a homework assignment late? This 18 year old may even be a parent herself. Pioneer there are better ways... There are many cultures that don;t do it and there is plenty of science to prove otherwise. I see you continue to reference the Bible, a document you do not fully embrace, in an attempt to justify a point. ------------ Sure some people are better prepared that others for higher education. The problem I have with your suggestion is that in a racist culture like ours I would not want some bureaucrat to make that decision for my children or yours -- because they will all end up working the lowest skilled, and lowest paid jobs. Sadly, we effectively have that situation now as the schools in our Black communities prepare no one for college. In placed like NY they don't even prepare us HS graduation. We have lost generations of talented Black people as a result. Spanking out kids will not fix this--obviously. The ones doing the most spanking come from poor communities where the graduation rates are lowest.

Cynique I'm going to run with my response in a separate discussion as I have some very strong options about creativity computers, education and learning. It may take some time for me to get to it. But I will. Basically you really need to know quite a bit before a computer can be a useful tool -- otherwise you are really a slave to it...

Cynique, exactly. Many of the limitations we have are there because we allowed society to place them on us and we accepted them. I'm Black so I have to like certain things and behave a certain way. Otherwise people look at you sideways and began to doubt yourself. It is almost as if we have to "come Out" as unique human being For example, as a kid doing well in school or speaking properly was considered "acting white" and a rational for ridicule or even a beat down -- seriously. I understand this is STILL an issue for Black kids in the inner city?! I know many people who limit the friends they have, the food they eat, the music they listen and even the places they go -- simply because they have self imposed constraints on their behavior. It is the same attitude, that rubs me the wrong way, whenever I hear some ignoramus proudly exclaim that America is the best country in the world has ever seen. While they, themselves, have never been more than a 1,000 miles from home, never had a passport and have limited knowledge of Global history. That is one reason our friend Del is so cool. He, as far as I've observed, never let anyone define him (he an I were in B-School in together in '91 we both worked in the computer lab helping students with WordPerfect, Lotus 123, and DB2 -- while learning it ourselves) I suspect many of you who post here, who so freely share your opinions and ideas, have similar characteristics. You are not afraid to let people know what you think. Some of you are even willing to adjust or even change your position which is a pretty rare quality :-)